Homeless Person Threatening to Kill My Pets

Hey, anyone got any ideas on how to move a homeless person along?

I've got a homeless person who has decided to take up residence on the banks of the river opposite my house. He has been there for about 5 weeks, haven't had any issues until last week when he suddenly started screaming at me to "Shut my (profanity) Chickens up your (profanity).. this then converted to "(profanity), I'm calling council on youse" to then "I'm going to kill your (profanity)*ing Chickens (profanify)", and then when i went out to my back deck he started screaming at me. I called police immediately as he was off his rocker. For background - I've had these chickens for about 2 years and haven't had any issues from any neighbours.

Police spoke to him; told him I am in my right to keep chickens on my property as its in the local council by-law, and he has no right to be illegally camping. He started claiming he was on crown land and can do whatever he wants. Anyway later that night police came and had a chat to me, said he has been involved in another violent incident at the shopping centre and he is ok when he isn't on the booze. He is currently on parole and the police won't move him along as he has nowhere else to go. They said he hasn't broken any law that would allow them to arrest him. I spoke with Council who have had offices go down and speak to him but nothing is happening on that front.

Basically, I have this aggressive drunk homeless person sleeping effectively in my backyard screaming abuse at me and police and council won't do anything. So, does anyone have any ideas on how I can go about getting rid of him? I've thought about tracking his movement and when he leaves burning his tent down - but then he'd probably just burn my house down.

[edit : included mandatory MS Paint drawing

Comments

    • +1

      Just because you’re allowed to keep chickens in your LGA it doesn’t mean that you don’t have a responsibility to make sure the noise they make isn’t unreasonable to some people who do find them a disturbance

      There are typically requirements from councils to prevent such situations. Example: North Sydney Council

      • located at least 4.5 metres from any dwelling, public hall, school or premises used for the manufacture, preparation, sale or storage of food

      In OPs case, their complaining "neighbour" isn't in a house and as a result probably more likely to hear the chickens.

      PS: Would you recommend the Sony Muteki or a sound bar to get the homeless person to move on?

      • -2

        Block-quoteThere are typically requirements from councils to prevent such situations. Example: North Sydney Council(northsydney.nsw.gov.au)> Block-quote

        I’m aware, I work for a Sydney council, not North Sydney though, but one with a much greater population than the North Sydney LGA. Yes there are requirements, but this doesn’t stop plenty of people from not following the rules though.

        Block-quoteIn OPs case, their complaining "neighbour" isn't in a house and as a result probably more likely to hear the chickens.> Block-quote

        The OPs chickens would still be a part of the investigation nonetheless. There also might be a history of previous complaints from the OP’s neighbours about the OP’s chickens, which the OP would have no idea about.

        Block-quotePS: Would you recommend the Sony Muteki or a sound bar to get the homeless person to move on?> Block-quote

        https://images.app.goo.gl/LWT152fXhcpMB9sx9

        Only if you want to make them cringe with disgust from the poor audio quality until they can’t take the poor quality anymore and move on.

      • +1

        Few people mentioned it so I jumped on google earth and measured it out. Chicken coup is 45 meters to neighbour on the left house, 50 meters from neighbours on the right, 80 meters from homeless person and 15m from my home office where I work Monday - Friday. If anyone is complaining it'd be me.

        It is 27m from the back boundary, approximately 25-30m from the left and right boundaries (its centred) and 75 meters from the house on the other side of the road (front of house). There is nothing but bushland and the homeless person on the other side of the river.

        The neighbours on the right own a pet store and often bring birds home for their 3 kids to look after (our kids play all the time) and neighbours on the other side have a small yappie dog that goes all day, they also have a young kid that loves to scream. 🤷 I doubt any of my neighbours are complaining without mentioning it to me.

    • +2

      When you ring up with a noise compliant they ask if you can hear it with your doors and windows closed. Having walls less than 1mm thick wouldn't count.

      When people keep chickens in their backyard it’s not uncommon for them to also attract vermin

      Maybe that's the whole cause of this situation.

    • +3

      Oh no, OPs chickens are disturbing someone living illegally on crown land, what a travesty. At least you are consistent in the quality of your posts.

      • -4

        @brendanm - It doesn’t matter what you think, and what your opinion is regarding this topic, you’re just some random username on OzBargain that has no control over situations like this and the course of action councils take. All I have done is tell it how it is in my comments.

        • +3

          Yep, I'm sure this mentally ill drug addict will be complaining to council about OPs chickens 🤦‍♀️

          • -1

            @brendanm: Likely not, however the OP has likely mentioned their chickens and how the homeless man is getting upset over the noise they’re making, alerting council to it. This comment here from you just demonstrates that you have absolutely no idea about council processes and procedures, and everyone on this site would be smart not paying any attention to what you have to say on the matter.

            • @[Deactivated]: AFAICT, the homeless person has threatened to alert the council while drunk. OP called the council, not the homeless person.

              I spoke with Council who have had offices go down and speak to him but nothing is happening on that front.

              Maybe you could comment on the council moving on homeless people.

              • @ihfree:

                Block-quoteAFAICT, the homeless person has threatened to alert the council while drunk. OP called the council, not the homeless person.> Block-quote

                Yes that’s the way I read it too. What I am saying is it makes no difference which one of the 2 parties reported it to council, if the OP’s chickens were mentioned by the OP when he told council about the homeless man and that’s what the homeless man is getting upset over, then the ranger needs to follow up on the validity of that claim to be fair to the other party, and investigate the chickens to see if they’re in fact creating too much noise.

                Block-quoteMaybe you could comment on the council moving on homeless people.> Block-quote

                Homeless people are a tough one, councils can’t be seen as being insensitive forcing homeless people to move on when they have no where to live and they’re just going to move to another similar spot, where else are they going to go? Many people living in suburbia don’t want homeless people camping out near their home, but as long as the homeless person moves well away from their home they don’t care about the next persons home they end up camping near.

                I have worked with homeless people, some people’s attitudes towards homeless people are upsetting at times and sometimes you do think less of the person that’s complaining about them. Yes homeless people often have severe mental health issues, and can be unpredictable and dangerous. However plenty of people also misjudge homeless people, and are simply afraid of them, and because they are afraid of them they quickly ring council to report them even when the homeless person that’s living nearby has done nothing wrong to demonstrate that they are a danger.

                Often when a homeless person is reported, a ranger will attend and assess the demeanour of the homeless person, and the cleanliness of the surrounding area too to see if they’re making a mess. If they witness neither, often they won’t go through the process of moving them on.

            • +2

              @[Deactivated]: So are you the chicken police or the pedestrian right of way police 😂

            • +2

              @[Deactivated]: You have a very accurate character assessment gene

            • +3

              @[Deactivated]: Yep, I'm sure council is all over it, they are probably assembling a crack "chicken noise" squad as we speak. They definitely got a call regarding a homeless guy and thought "who cares that a violent vagrant is camping illegally, let's get onto some chickens that no one has complained about". That makes complete sense.

              You working in council actually explains a lot about your posts.

              • @brendanm: Your comments are just getting stupider and stupider. The ranger would investigate the OP’s chicken keeping practices, to see if it all complies and that they’re following the rules. As I mentioned earlier a lot people don’t follow the rules. If the OP isn’t and it doesn’t comply, the OP would be causing issues for themselves by reporting the homeless man. If the OP is doing nothing wrong with his chickens then he’s got nothing to worry about.

                • +3

                  @[Deactivated]: OP isn't worried about it, you are. Nowhere was it mentioned that he was at all worried, in fact it was stated that his neighbours have no issues with the chickens. You've made this issue up in your own head.

                  • @brendanm: I’m not worried about it at all, on the other hand the OP clearly is, because they’re the one complaining on OzBargain of all places asking for advice about a homeless man that they feel is impacting their life. Unlike you who has no clue whatsoever about how situations like this are dealt with, but you are here anyway talking as though you do, I have simply given information and advice to the OP on what happens in these situations, that could be helpful and useful to them, but they can take it or leave it. But for whatever reason there is always some fool like you on OzBargain that finds a problem with this sort of thing.

                  • @brendanm:

                    Block-quote In fact it was stated that his neighbours have no issues with the chickens > Block-quote

                    🙈 So because the OP says their neighbours have told them to their face that they don’t have a problem with it it means this is true and there hasn’t been any complaints 🤣. Many people don’t like talking to their neighbours nowadays, especially when they have an issue. Many people as a first point of contact skip over addressing the issue with their neighbour first and go straight to council and/or the police. The OP would have no idea if there has been any complaints to council about their chickens previous by their neighbours and how many there’s been, for all the OP knows there could be several already in their councils database, and perhaps currently an on going investigation as well.

                    • @[Deactivated]: Maybe the neighbours really hate the chooks, and , having no luck with the council, have paid said hobo to drive neighbour to the brink, and move out.

      • Not sure about Queensland but in Victoria it’s legal to camp on a river on crown land in a lot of situations..

        Not a bad spot for homeless to camp.

    • +2

      Well the homeless guy did threaten to call the council. Presumably he made that call, a thorough investigation was conducted, several other neighbours interviewed, and finally the council found that OP's chickens were not only within allowable limits of nuisance and cleanliness, but that OP took his responsibilities as a chicken owner and good neighbour very seriously and outperformed those limits, with high levels of praise and commendations from the rest of the neighborhood.

      I assume this part of the story was omitted for brevity, but no doubt this was the homeless mans first course of action, as a responsible neighbour himself.

      And it was then, upon hearing the decision of the council was not in his favour, that the man started threatening to kill the chickens and calling OP a Cnt

      • +1

        This sounds pretty accurate, though for council to have put in that much work it must have played out over a 12-18 month period.

      • Block-quote And it was then, upon hearing the decision of the council was not in his favour, that the man started threatening to kill the chickens and calling OP a Cnt > Block-quote

        @crentist - And at this point it’s out of councils hands, and it becomes a police matter… Councils don’t deal with verbal abuse and physical threats, and followed through actions/acts of violence. Just the same as councils don’t deal with boundary fencing disputes between two neighbours (unless it doesn’t comply), it’s a civil matter.

      • Haha that was a great read thank you.

      • But this all falls apart because the homeless guy has no access to a phone.

        • He doesn't? What year is he living in?

        • -1

          @smartazz104 - What amazes me about this extremely dumb comment of yours is how are you not homeless and able to take care of yourself, it’s certainly a wonder?

          • +1

            @[Deactivated]: Please, you've come in here pretending to know what you're talking about. I mean, you're the guy who posted this drivel. As far as dumb comments go, you've been crowned the King.

            • -2

              @smartazz104: You sound like a butthurt soundbar owner. Who’s pretending? As I mentioned I work for a council, and have merely spoken the truth about the processes and procedures in situations like this, and how it works with homeless people in general. Since you’ve come into this discussion 2 days after it occurred to say nothing important, pretending you have an idea when you’ve got no clue about anything councils do internally, if you actually have anything of true substance to add about this please do, rather being a clown.

    • doesn’t mean that you don’t have a responsibility to make sure the noise they make isn’t unreasonable to some people who do find them a disturbance

      Who gives a shit, it's some homeless bum, he can move on.

      • -3

        @smartazz104 - And as I covered in my post above where I stated - “ I have worked with homeless people, some people’s attitudes towards homeless people are upsetting at times and sometimes you do think less of the person that’s complaining about them…”, which means in short for you to have this view you’re an uncompassionate a-hole of a person at your core who is a much greater concern to society than some homeless person.

  • +3

    Best MS paint diagram I've seen in a while. Invite him over for a succulent Chinese meal, tell him you're having an old friend for dinner.

  • maybe record him issuing threats and go down the AVO route. He won't care but it might mean that he's told he can't legally be in your immediate area.

  • +5

    This situation calls for more chickens. Every problem could use a little fowl play.

    • There's already 4

      • +1

        rookie numbers. You need enough that statistically if he tried to kill them they'd win.

  • +2

    I feel your frustrations and being helpless, but if you think about it, the guy is homeless and has nothing to loose… Ignore him as much as possible and he'll eventually move on. Don't do anything to escalate as it might end up bad for both of you. I'd add in a security camera as additional measure if he does anything and you have some form of proof this way.

    Good luck op!

  • This is your only option. Your chickens can be the background singers.

    https://youtu.be/lsrBlKpbBS8

  • +1

    You know what they say "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".
    How about showing him how to make pumpkin soup at nearby park BBQ facility. Win-win situation.

    • But that's just giving him pumpkin soup.
      You'd have to teach him how to dig up wild pumpkins for the saying to apply.

      • It's post hallowe'en. Discarded pumpkins glut.

        • Great, now you've made me hungry.
          But no one ever taught me where to get my own pumpkins :(

  • Is the dude holding a chicken drumstick?

    • +1

      Think it's a bottle in a paper bag but it does look like a drummy.

  • +1

    Fairly certain drinking is breach of parole. Just wait till hes drinking call the police every time

    • -8

      You bootlicker Karen

      • +2

        You obviously never owned pets. This isnt a homeles issue , i couldnt care less if they camping there respectfully but absolutely threaten my loved ones and ill do anything to have them locked up. Also if this guy is on parole hes in his punishment phase. You dont even know if he assaulted women or children , so take yourself back to your corner

      • If you stopped violating your parole terms you wouldn't have any cause for complaint.

  • +6

    You've reached page 2 before seeing…

    BIKIES

    • +1

      bikies won't go near anyone with fowl history.

    • +1

      Book-book-book bikies

    • +1

      Hah he probably was a bikie at some point! It'd backfire and he'd end up putting a hit out on my chickens.

  • +2

    also came here to pay tribute to the excellent MS paint diagram.

    it's only a matter of time before he gets arrested again or ends up in a hospital due to health/psych issues. so as others have suggested, ignore, do not engage with a crazy in front of the house where you and your family sleeps. camera surveillance and go about your life as usual

  • +3

    Sadly you do not have much of a choice of what to do.

    Police as a rule of thumb are not there to serve the public. Their charter is to serve the government. Where possible that may overlap with the interests of the general public.

    It is not an offence to be homeless.

    I am also not sure if you just conjured up the parole part because a parolee needs to provide an address to the community corrections officer and to update that address if they move. *Edit - Checked and that also applies in Queensland too…

    Your Parole Conditions Explained - Parole Board Queensland PDF

  • +1

    Sacrifice the chickens in front of him with your teeth and assert dominance

  • +1

    how much did you buy your house for?

    • +1

      Many,many rands.

  • -1

    he suddenly started screaming at me to "Shut my Fing Chickens up your Cnt.. this then converted to "FcKHead, I'm calling council on youse" to then "I'm going to kill your Fing Chickens (profanity)",

    Funny how "the homeless person" threaten to (as listed:)

    1. Sexually assault you
    2. Report you to the council
    3. Kill some chickens (how many are there?)

    However the chosen title for this thread is an emotional "kill my pets".
    Are we missing something very important with this story?.

    How wide is the river/creek?
    What's the distance between "him" and the yard?
    Where were the chickens?
    Need Google Earth to better understand, a cute MS Paint doesn't help.

    • -4

      Missing something?
      The bit where the hobo was minding his own business and chicken man berated him about trespassing?
      And it escalated from there.

      Time for the neighbours to play Ozzie (Osborne, not bargain) up real loud.

  • +2

    Take over three bottles of the cheapest vodka you can find and let the river do its work.

    • -1

      If he does that now, it's a premeditated action, with a perceived outcome,and you're an accessory.

      • +3

        I can't wait for my Law & Order episode.

        • -1

          More likely to be on some obscure YT channel

  • -1

    Get rid of the hens maybe

    • De-stock or chicken stock?

  • +1

    I assume we're not talking about the Yarra. If it was, quite likely if he tried to swim across he'd be poisoned before he got to the other side.

  • +4

    Just remember it's actually quite difficult to be truly homeless in Australia…unless you have mental health issues, drug and substance abuse, or you simply do it by choice.

    In almost every other country, you can be completely normal and just down on your luck to be properly homeless with no other options.

    These is so much assistance in Australia, free healthcare, not for profits and govt assistance etc, your absolute worst case scenario is public housing in Western Sydney eating 2 min noodles and wonderbread. We aren't one of the highest taxed nations for no reason

    I see and speak to a lot of homeless people on the streets of Sydney. Many choose drugs and alcohol over a place to stay. Many have legitimate mental health issues, some are there due to domestic violence/sexual assault/abuse etc.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, and as bad as it sounds, not everyone on the streets deserve help and sympathy. It sounds like this bloke could be one of them

    • Ive walked through haymarket Sydney and I have questions. Do organisations go up to homeless offering help in obtaining these services? Are they offered help for their mental health, past abuse, addictions? Do they go somewhere to sleep and come out to sit on the streets during the day? If you have answers to these it will help me.

      • +6

        You would be surprised at how many people on the streets actually have homes to go to

        Just because they sit on a street corner asking for money and looking dirty/dischevelled, it doesn't mean they are homeless

        Unfortunately Centrelink is setup in a way that many choose to portray themselves in a certain way to claim the max benefits possible. Some create elaborate lifestyles/stories to maintain these handouts

        Then for some its an ego/pride/laziness thing to not want to work entry level jobs, or live in less desirable locations to make ends meet

        Again, not tarnishing everyone with the same brush, but also again, its difficult to be truly homeless in Australia.

        • Thanks. Ok so those with mental health, past abuse, addictions aren’t offered sufficient help and care to get off the streets?

          • @grasstown: There is all the free help available but addiction is a very complex issue for each individual and in this country the best anyone can have is to be encouraged to seek help, not forced.

  • Well, he already gave you a bit of a clue, he doesn’t like the sound of the chickens. Maybe go from there. Play more chicken noises over some speakers, something like that.

  • He may just be triggered because you look like Hitler. Shave the moustache and see if he goes away

  • +2

    Sounds like a schizophrenic off his meds. Worst case scenario, he stabs someone 55 times but is found to be not criminally responsible.

    • That went south very quickly.

  • Bro tell me o e thing seriously, who made this amazing drawing. Was that person wearing socks while making this image?

  • Use 24/7 cameras surveillance and pray that he is not boozed

  • Counter argument here, where exactly do you want him to go? And don't say "anywhere else but there"

    • -1

      To another street just not OP Karens street.

    • +5

      Probably back to prison. Ha. But more seriously I want him to get off the booze, get a job like everyone else has to and stop playing the victim. He chooses to illegally live where chickens are annoying him and then has the audacity to complain about said chickens. He could literally set his camp up 100m down the river bank and not hear the chickens. He doesn't contribute to the community / society/ pay council rates, if anything my taxes are contributing to his ability to get drunk through centrelink payments. If it was a neighbour complaining it'd be different story and I'd be more inclined to do something about it.

      • +1

        I get the distinct impression you just don't like a homeless guy setting up camp across the river from your home. You already said the river is 50m wide, which frankly is much farther than normal neighbor distances…. by a long way.

        If that's the case, then just say that "I don't want a homeless person setting up camp near my house". I'm saying this because your comment suggests the issue is FAR broader than chicken noise. You just don't want him near you.

        • -1

          You nailed it

        • +2

          I mean the dude threatened to kill his chooks. Seems fair enough to want him to f off, especially with a family in the house.

        • +1

          Who wants a drunk threatening violence near them or their family?

        • +1

          Op was alright with it for the first 5 weeks.

        • Homeless guy must have good eyesight if he spotted chickens 50m+ away.

          • +1

            @smartazz104: If you ask me OP misunderstood when the homeless guy shouted that he wanted to "choke his chicken". it was an offer of romance, not war.

  • -1

    Never mind you chickens.
    In the US there are 330 million people in waiting to have a chook on top of a fence post……

  • Imagine living in a shoebox suburb and being so audacious by having chicken that squeak all day annoying everyone around you because you want to be edgy and not just buy eggs in the store. Go move to the regions I promise you there won’t be any homeless across your street. Imbeciles ….

    • +1

      Who says I live in a shoebox suburb? I live in the regions, I'm on a 1300sqm block, my neighbour on right is on a 1600sqm block and left is 1300sqm block. On the other side of the river is hectares of bushland. On the other side of the street is another row of houses that back onto bushland. I'm on the outskirts of major regional area and there is heaps of acreage around me.

      • +1

        So there is a homeless person squatting in front of your acreage? Never heard of this. Never seen this. All sounds very weird.

        • +1

          And hence the issue. What the hell is this homeless person doing there! He can literally move 100m down the riverbank and not hear my chickens but he is choosing to illegally live there and complain/threaten violence. He has some audacity.

        • Homelessness is generally a much bigger and much less seen problem than most people realise. The handful you see in the CBD are the minority. Plenty want some level of isolation.

          Granted, usually they live closer to services, but drunken homeless people ranting about chickens aren't renowned for their logical decision making.

          Source: I lived in Vancouver, where the cops do force all the homeless people into the same area. It's a terrible idea with terrible outcomes.

    • -1

      Stop being such a Karen.

  • +1

    Hobo with a shotgun

    Don’t mess with hobos

    • +1

      Hobo with a shotgun

      Underrated classic

  • Firstly, thank you for the obligatory MS Paint diagram. I think it's why I'm replying more than anything else :).

    In legalese, your chickens are your "property" and anyone threatening to 'damage' your property may be committing an offence.
    However if that threat is coming from the opposite side of a river (vs directly over a side fence) then 'likelihood' comes into play.

    You'll also got an avenue to chase in relation to the 'the right of quiet and peaceful enjoyment of your property', which he is affecting.
    Again, on how much he is affecting it and how often he's doing so- especially from the other side of the river, is arguable.

    You were right to call the police, but as it stands at this point their hands are tied.
    Secure your chooks, monitor them, and if you haven't already install CCTV in the yard.
    This won't help much if he decides to do something, because even with said evidence I'd strongly suggest there's some mental health going on as well… which means he'll probably get off anyway- but at least it gives you some peace of mind.

    What about moving him on? Keep complaining to council about illegal camping or something? Where is he positioned, and what's the situation with the land there? He is being a nuisance to you, maybe the appropriate course of action is to be a nuisance to someone else to have him moved? ;)

  • +1

    Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong
    Under the shade of a coolabah tree….
    *

    *
    *

    …Up jumped the troopers 1 2 3
    something something chicken,tucker box,ghost
    *
    *
    *
    did somebody say TRG etc

  • +2

    Bikies

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