The medium SUV hybrid category. Is there a clear value proposition amongst the Chinese brands right now, or is it splitting hairs? What would be your pick of the base hybrid, no-extras models based on best bang for buck?
Chinese Medium Hybrid SUV Battle
bajillionaire on 30/10/2024 - 09:15
Poll Options
- 8Haval H6 Lux Hybrid
- 127BYD Sealion 6 Dynamic
- 9MG HS Plus EV Excite
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Yet zero have a BYJV program.
Hybrids are useless as a bargain under 80,000km.
No spare, less boot, more dead weight, more expenses, more complexity.
Given the global auto overproduction, the 80kk figure could stretch to over 100kk.Be aware on the BYD, especially atto3. ENCAP just reassessed its driver assistance systems and ranked it as “not recommended” for highways.
It didn’t stop for pedestrians, incorrectly detected signs, 0/25 for driver monitoring etc.
If this software component is common to their other vehicles then they shouldn’t be on the road!
Refrence https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-suvs-key-safety-featu…
Xi wants more Australians to die before he sends his troops!
It would be pretty trivial to program in incidents to happen "at random" during a wartime scenario… If you own a Chinese car that has remote access, Just be aware the manufacturers have zero control of their company if the government starts directing their automotive industry against its customers if they chose to do so. The CCP has final control of everything over there, execs go straight to jail or disappear if they try to resist.
Maybe im old school, but i dont like to rely onnthis stuff anyway - for orecisely the reasons outlined. At this point, im a much more reliable collision avoidance system. IMO having these half hearted systems just makes drivers lazy and gives them more oplotunity to get distracted becasue "the car will do it for me"
There's an awful cycle to it too, where they make the cars bigger and harder to use without the systems, which in turn makes people rely on the systems even more.
I drove our friends' Nissan SUV for a few days. The sight lines in that thing are appalling, so you have to rely on the 360 camera to park and blind spot detection. They wouldn't sell a single one after a test drive if it didn't have those.
Very annoying car.
The Sea Lion 7 is being released shortly. Might be worth waiting to see what the price is, and whether it impacts the price of Sea Lion 6 (both new and demo). They won't want to cannibalise their 6 sales but it will be interesting to see what happens.
I know what you mean since they both are med sized SUV. However, SL6 is a PHEV and SL7 is a full EV so they're technically different types of vehicles. SL6 is for ppl who do not want to go full EV yet but want to save up gas money for shorter distances.
Recently bought a SUV myself… parents in law did not want me to get a Chinese EV/Hybrid… and they're Chinese! (my father in law drives a Mazda over there)
As such, I went for the tried and tested Toyota Rav4. Reliable and good resale value here.
Your in laws know the deal…. some of the EV stories over there are horrendous. Hopefully they are more fastidious with their QC for exports to OZ
So your parents couldnt afford a Merc or BMW? Just because they wanted you to avoid a chinese vehicle doesnt mean all chinese cars are complete rubbish. Theres a range of cars, and i gather that aussie delivered chinese cars are a mid range product for china.
There are a lot of factors, and what i gather from some other cultures appearing affluent is a big factor in deciding a car. Ie Don't get chinese because youll appear to be not wealthy enough.
If I have a choice I'd rather give my money to South Korea over China. I Don't trust them.
I dont get this. Didnt a bunch of car makers gt outwd for comlecting lots of data just recently? They weren't all chinese, and some of the trusted players were collecting a lot of stuff. It's not just China scraping your data. They've just been given the media treatment to be a bogey man.
financially lots of vested interest with big money in the anti-chinese EV crusade by industries, politically US led West has been trying to contain the China threat for over a decade. the media is only one of the many tools they use so it's not a surprise really
South Korea / Japan / anyone else really… Liberal democracies.
Lmao don't trust who? the factory workers building cars?
Do you trust the australian govt? everyone is so scaredDon't trust those dodgy Chinese, they'll find out who you are and then come troll on OzB lol
I think you mean North Korea.
Who knows China manufacturers cutting corners. It's a known fact many have safety issues or battery problems. Even BYD had faulty batteries before on Tesla. Upon small impact can explode.
Also people keep thinking EVs are environmental friendly however I have yet to see how EV batteries recycling and proper disposal to convince me otherwise
Are you talking about Takata Airbags? Lol
Cannot fathom how any educated person would buy any of these chinese vehicles. If you value quantity over quality then i guess thats who would buy this garbage. These guys are the temu of the automotive world.
It's not even the quality for me… It's more morals and what countries I trust more.
I was going to write a long rant response, but you're correct. We all need to start paying a lot more attention to what the CCP are doing with their influence operations and what they are saying about democracies to their own people. The brainwashing shit they teach their kids about the Japanese in primary school is disgusting. China is not our friend. While the CCP are in control, we should all be concerned about what our money is supporting. Yes, nearly everything is made in china, but there are other options out there for a lot of stuff, we don't have to live like monks in the mountains, just do a little extra research on what we buy before defaulting to Chinese goods..
as opposed to the Japanese curriculum trying to write their WW2 war crimes out of history you mean?
What cars are you suggesting?
Not an evangelist for these cars, but they're not any worse than the other crap that's been sold here over the years.
These Chinese companies are in their trying-to-break in phase and have to offer their best, while the surviving traditional players are happy to take Australian consumers for granted.
If you have a limited amount of money and want to make it go far, they're a decent proposition. A better effort than early Korean cars were, or the last Holdens.
Cannot fathom how any educated person would buy any of these chinese vehicles.
how ironic
I can understand it.
Cheap
New
Faux luxury (showroom appeal)
Long warranty
BYD Sea Lion looks the goods honestly, sat in a few Haval ubers and I was pretty impressed. Much better than I thought
I have an LDV/MG, they're alright, nothing special. The 10 year warranty though sounds alright
The Haval H6 would be the best value for money, if you have more cash the BYD Sealion.
MG isn't bad, just dated.
Get a better job so you dont have to settle for these rubbish options.
I think something else needs to be pointed out here. The HS PHEV can be had for an absolute STEAL at the moment. In that context, it’s probably the best “value” car of the list. I saw a demo one in a dealership recently for $26k. It had like 300km on it.
They're being run-out with a new model due next year; $10–12K price drop.
Haval H6 Ultra hybrid all the way
Tesla Y
Hey its made in Shanghai ! LOL
None of these. Horrible cars.
But you forget this is ozbargain, home of the tight arse.
I wonder if it's a false economy. What you save upfront is lost in depreciation.
Not sure about the PHEVs but ive been researching thr full electric MPVs. The Denza D9 and Zeekr 009 might just be too cheap to ignore.
is it cheap? looks like it's going to be over 100k when they arrive. zeekr pushing 140
Noone mentioned or poll does not have Zeekr which comes from Geely!?
not a hybrid
Pure electric no good? Why hybrid
not sure OP seems set on PHEV. I'd prefer pure BEV too
I thought the sealion was a big SUV and given that it's a plug in Hybrid, it's the best of both worlds with the ability to drive most trips in battery and have the option of petrol for anyone who need it?
Clear winner imo
hm article removed, is it another EV exploding scaremongering article?
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Most schools now have a BYD program.