Credit to @Jordyn11 for finding that out. This is probably the latest ATL.
Other store with the same price that might be more convenient for you locally to C&C:
Scorptec — 1% surcharge for card & PayPal payments.
Computer Alliance — 1% surcharge for card & PayPal payments.
JW Computers/JW Computers via Kogan — no surcharge
PC Case Gear — no surcharge
I believe JB HiFi no longer sell this model, or the AX11000 Pro, they were both removed from their website weeks ago… They never stocked them in store, they were online order only.
You can definitely order the AX11000 Pro - I just got 2 of them. $7 shipping.
I got the web link through Google. Leads to a 404 not found error. That means the product is no longer available.
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/asus-rog-rapture-gt-ax110…
Trying to search for the AX-11000 Pro model through the JB search leads to nothing.
No longer sold by JB. So you definitely can't order it.
I look at these designs and can't help but think
did they really come in peace or do they want my brain after all
I have the ROG GT-AX11000 and I overlook its similar aesthetic, because the the WLAN stability and speeds are 👌
I have the ROG GT-AX11000 and I overlook its similar aesthetic, because the the WLAN stability and speeds are 👌
So good you have two?
No.
Just that 1 x GT-AX11000
I got it just before C19 arrived.
Going strong, except Asus stopped updating the firmware a long time ago.
(I haven't put Merlin-WRT on it (yet))
no, that's the testament to the router stability
if it's not sure it sends comment twice
I look at designs like these and think it would be too embarrassing as a techie to own something this obviously designed to appeal to the clueless boy gamer market. Too many legs and too much LED. The only thing that could make it worse would be a giant Razer logo.
Ten gig ports at 6GHz are nice though.
If you wanted you could chuck some black vinyl wrap on and then the lights are gone 🤷🏽
I'm sure you can just turn off the LEDs, but the whole thing is still just cringe. For $700 I'll take ex-corporate gear that's built to last longer (though Asus stuff has a decent rep for longevity).
@rumblytangara: I've been using my rt-ac88 for years now and it's been rock solid. Toying with the idea of getting this so I can set up a Nas with 10g
@DeToxin: If I buy consumer routers, they're Asus.
But if I was implementing 10Gb at home it'd be based around a dedicated switch- switches are crazy reliable and don't depend on firmware updates for security.
@rumblytangara: I can see why it appears cringy to people but I am not particularly too bothered with the aesthetic, mostly just after the functionality. Though there are some thought that I'd throw in to your comment.
But if I was implementing 10Gb at home it'd be based around a dedicated switch- switches are crazy reliable and don't depend on firmware updates for security.
I can see people bashing on the thought #1 since the router itself is costing so much. But I am slightly space constrained in the area where I have my network gear is placed.
@juns: The amount of electricity consumed by a passively cooled five to eight port switch would be utterly trivial.
Second question, who knows. Some of these switches are pretty small.
The main thing is your approach to eggs and baskets, imo. Whether you want home convenience all in one, or flexibility that lets you split your risks and lets you replace parts if they fail or become obsolete/unsupported.
It's pretty much guaranteed that your internet facing firewall will become unsupported at some point, but that doesn't matter to an internal switch that has no internet exposure. And I'd expect a switch to run without blip for over a decade.
I guess that the Asus router could eventually be relegated to a switch when it goes end of life.
@rumblytangara: fair point for keeping the flexibility. I would go down your path too if I were to implement VLAN across my home network.
But like I said, I am a bit space constrained to do proper network gears.
You can turn the LEDs off no problem. 👍
Had some neckbeard lose his nut at me in the other thread cos I suggested they make ugly gear. Gamer boys really love their rgb anus products. It's wild.
As opposed to the non RGB anus products that you prefer?
That's comical. The routers don't have to look like macho spiders on steroids- the seriously high end stuff looks like white Tupperware boxes. Hardly pretty either, but the giant external antennae are not necessary for performance.
Sounds like everyone is getting upset, over each other's decisions/opinions
Of course it was Cevolution why am I not surprised. I triggered him once for using the word "tactical" to describe a torch and he got all mad because it can only use that word if it meets the definition of the torches used by Army Cadets in Sydney.
Then he proceeds to call me a boomer and wants to know the exact school I attended. He's 40+ what a creep.
@Clear: Wow. What an utter shitshow that was.
And for the record, again, WAPs do not need stupid amounts of gigantic external antennae to perform well. Most of the really serious ones have them internal, and the best ones use tiny configurable arrays, not those cheap shitty dipole/monopole types found on home routers. The giant external antennae are designed to be covered in extra chunky radio transparent plastic to make them look more macho- nothing more.
@rumblytangara: Exactly. Just look at enterprise grade APs from Juniper, Meraki etc. and there's no antennas to be seen. When it comes to some like Ubiquiti the ones with internal antennas are better than those external.
Just look at enterprise grade APs from Juniper, Meraki etc. and there's no antennas to be seen
That's exactly what I am looking at, literally. There's one in front of me as I type this.
As an aside, Ubiquiti internal have been very disappointing for me- when I took my old APs apart it was a real "WTF is this cheap shite?" moment. Literally just a stamped metal plate for an antenna design that their marketing material boasts about. Maybe their current gen stuff is less cheaply designed.
This is what a sophisticated antenna design looks like and this is from a bottom end model, note how it totally fails to resemble the leg of a giant spider.
@ONEMariachi - Too funny, you have come to another thread to complain about a conversation that occurred in different thread and to talk about the other member, that’s pretty pathetic, it was a internet disagreement, get over it, forget about it and move on, rather than having a cry. Since you bought it up though, I don’t care that you think ASUS routers are ugly, my point in the other thread was that the design and aesthetics (which includes the amount of external antennas they have) or ugliness as you put it of ASUS routers contributes to their router products being up there as the very best with regards to high quality signal strength/range and overall performance, nothing more. I’m not sure why you have a problem acknowledging that and agreeing with that point, because it’s objectively the truth, you can agree to this while still having the view that they’re “ugly”. And for the record, I’m also not a gamer boy, I hardly ever play PC or Console games.
I’ve heard about these massive tarantula spiders in the Central and South American forests. I’m not going anywhere near that thing.
It's ok cause it's upside down. It's dead
I had an old cat who used to love to warm her butt on my access point, often turning the wifi off in the process. A router equiped with these pigeon spikes would have saved me a whole lot of hassle!
This looks like the necropolis from warcraft 3.
Very good but expect this to kind of be normal as mainstream wifi 7 becomes more available.
Did I just post the new RRP then? I guess I have to hand in my ozbargain badge.
Not sure they may still bump it up. I think it's a good post but I'm just suspecting this to be the new norm.
People like you do a good service for the community ;) keep onto that badge.
Mortein really does work after all
XD but see they're still alive tho
It's a pity the 4 LAN ports are 1 Gigabit only. If they were all at least 2.5GbE I'd probably get one.
Unfortunately you'd have to go with their latest and greatest GT-BE98 Pro and that commands double the price.
Yeah it's a lot for an ASUS router, even with the better features and firmware. I'd prefer to go down the UniFi path for that price.
The TP-Link BE19000 is down to $750 - wifi 7, 2x 10G Ethernet (1 of which is SFP+) and 4x 2.5Gbe ports.
This has 7 ports total, 2x 10GbE, 1x 2.5GbE and 4x 1GbE ports.
Also supports dual WAN and link aggregation.
It has 10gbe ports.
Does anyone know if the AXE16000 will get 3006.102 firmware which offers full VLAN and ASUS SDN support?
Edit: Found out that ASUS GT-AXE16000 has beta firmware 9006.102 which supports VLAN and ASUS SDN, but the last update was 21 March 2023 and Merlin is still on the older 3004.388 firmware.
I have this one currently https://www.asus.com/au/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/…. Any reason I should upgrade? I really want to get the GT-AXE16000 but i cant justify it lol. Its just a home network and I do game. Any advice/suggestions?
If the current router serves you well, there's no reason.
About the only advantage the AXE16000 has to offer is if you need more bandwidth for your wifi if you have wifi 6E capable device and/or you need some 2.5/10GbE ports.
If you have to ask the question, my gut tells me that you don't need it.
Sadly I believe you right. Thank you for your reply.
No worries, happy to help you save $700
Will this eat you in your sleep or fly away and hunt down John Connor?
It'll come with a US plug, meaning an adapter.
Also the bandwidth on this is much more.
Also the bandwidth on this is much more.
That may be true if you consider maximum bandwidth with multiple device. But the BE should yield more bandwidth per device.
time to upgrade from RT-AC5300 ?
What issues are you having?
none since 2017. flashed with DDWRT and is running all the things I needed.
I believe ddwrt will not work with any AX or AXE routers.
So stay with your current one unless there's a need to change.
I retired my 2x RT-AC5300 in July as Merlin said the firmware won't be supported after December, got GT-AX11000 Pro replacement. Great mesh routers, 10Gb backhaul from CAT7 previously installed. GT-AXE16000 will be as well.
Cheap ISP router reflashed with something custom: $100 maximum
UniFi or IP-PRO AP: $250
10G switch: $250
Much better experience
UniFi or IP-PRO AP: $250
What's this second thing?
IP-COM sorry, Chinese rip-off of Ubiquiti https://www.ip-com.com.cn/au/products/wlan.html
TP-Link Omada is similar but more expensive.
Might as well go for the genuine article or the cheapest clone.
Oh that's wonderfully amusing- those are direct copies of each of the Unifi models. Do they also rip off the Unifi Controller software and some kind of UnifiOS clone?
(I really dislike Unifi which is why I find this clone thing so apt)
I also can't quite understand how we got to this point in design but if it floats tour boat I guess! I have found Asus routers to be a cut above TPLink, Netgear etc.
Background suggestion, though a technical longshot - if one wants to learn a lot about networking, save money and have a rock solid setup the Mikrotik brand is worth checking out. It is quite technical, but it can do anything. The supplier in Australia Duxtel is great and can give advice for what setup to use. I didn't know about it til someone at work told me about it, and I'm glad they did.
For a basic home user- what advantages does a MikroTik setup bring?
Cheap hardware for given performance and stability. Compared to a Dlink lump of crap, the same priced basic Mikrotik is better.
But honestly it's not for the faint of heart, so if 'basic' is a key word I wouldn't pull the hard sell. Though I would recommend the techy set it up as a home network for parents etc.
Avoid if on FTTN though. It's just a headache having to use modems in bridge mode. That's what I have lol
The basic home user who wants to learn nothing about the tech, it brings nothing besides probably more reliable build quality, which is really a chance-based thing anyway.
Mikrotik is seriously impressive for some reasons, but historically their wifi performance hasn't been regarded as the best. They make a lot of gear for telecoms providers- serious carrier grade stuff.
On the downside for the home user, the interface is going to be a total brick wall. There is an online demo here- username is "admin" password is blank.
Strictly for nerds who want to learn networking, in which case it's great.
Yeah I had a quick look since I was curious. Using winbox doesn't seem too bad for someone with a little networking knowledge. It seems like it even auto-generates a default config on initial setup which sorta acts like what most retail routers would be like? no?
My issue is I prioritize wifi range & performance so if that's something MikroTik isn't great at that will be an issue sadly.
just a question we live in AUS where the net is the slowest, and we are way behind other counties. how do people use this to the fullest? like is there even a point in buying this if were only on a 100 plan? we don't even get 100. only around 40 to 50 speeds lol. NBN..
Anything that's capable of more than 1gbit right now is purely for localnet bandwidth.
Say if you have 2 machine at home and wish to copy 1 TB data across.
Cheaper to just get a $75 2.5Gbps switch and place it behind the existing router. Or look for a consumer 10 gig switch (I've not kept track of the market for this stuff).
Edit: looks like you can get switches with a mix of 10 and 2.5 ports for $200 on Amazon.
No point buying this unless you have a very fast NBN connection (500+ Mbps), or require a fast local network.
https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/3505562/nbn-co-to-upgrade-…
2Gbps ~2025
LAN access
Even with a 5mbps NBN plan, moving files to/from a NAS for example will run at 1gbps+.
Only if that NAS is running all SSD. If it's running hard drives, then I don't think you'll saturate gig ethernet.
You'd be absolutely nuts the buy this. You could get a decent ubiquiti/mikrotik setup for similar dollars.
genuinely curious, what combo of ubiquiti or mikrotik you'd recommend?
I tried ubiquiti gear once when my office gave me their old ubiquiti gear when they upgraded. I was quite surprised by how hot the gateway gets.
They also gave me the wireless AP but not their switch (which they still use). And getting PoE capable ubiquiti switch was quite expensive from memory.
I like their APs. They are very reliable, good quality, have support for years. I don't like their routers or switches. They put WAY too much effort into having a slick GUI and really don't have that many features or flexibility. That's why I prefer mikrotik for the routing. If you have that combination you have good control as you don't need many features in the Wifi side of things. As for which Ubiquiti to buy, they had very few options when I bought mine, now there are a lot of models. I'm not sure which is currently best. The U7 Pro suggested below looks awesome but I'm sure there's cheaper models that would serve a home user well. Mine are old wifi 5 units and I have no plans to upgrade them.
With regards Mikrotik I've had a lot of people ask me what do I need those features for in a home network, here's some examples
- wireguard from phone into my home network. It's like my phone is always connected to my home network, I can simply browse any 192.168.1.x address as if I am at home
- wireguard to external networks. My home network can connect to any device on a remote network I have as if I am at that sight. 192.168.3.x addresses in this case
- if my internet goes down I can hotspot my phone and the mikrotik will connect and share that network around the house
- vlan for various reasons
- connect to nord VPN from the router, so any devices on a certain network go out via nord. Great for torrents
- Can use routing rules with the nord connection to make some apps think they are overseas all the time.
u7-pro + edgerouter
costs less, much better performance, might take an extra 30 minutes to set up.
Looks like you'll need an additional switch for additional 10GbE and 2.5GbE ports. Is that correct?
Depends on your choice of router, but it should cost <$500-600 w/ the switch added on if you wanted a 12/24port unit.
Either way the GT16000 has horrible QoS and wired performance, to the point where it might as well not have 10gbe ports - the router isn't able to handle that speed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think ubiquiti has edgerouter that is capable of > 1GbE other than through the means of SFP is that right?
@juns: Correct. The cheaper edgerouters also maxes out at ~350mbps with QoS.
You want QoS to avoid bufferbloat, or you will get lag doing other tasks when watching a video / downloading in the background.
SFP is standard for 10gbps, it's a lot less power draw / heat than rj45 direct when done correctly.
@HPdeskjet: Looks like I need to learn from you a bit more.
I don't think I have ever tried to or have the need to alter any QoS setting. What sort of scenario would one need to use the QoS feature?
@juns: If you were playing a online game / hosting a video meeting and you started a download in the background for example, it's common advice to pause the download to prevent lagging.
If your router can do QoS / SQM properly, this would be a non-issue and you don't need to pause the download.
Same applies, say family members were watching a movie or downloading something using the network and were causing your device to lag, that would also be fixed.
It's typically not a wifi congestion issue but a routing issue. The Asus implementations are usually not very reliable.
https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat
Even the lowest-end enterprise stuff should be able to do this test with +0ms up +0ms down, which means zero latency issues with the network at full load.
@juns: I have a friend with a 250Mbit NBN plan and he gets performance issues with his older Ubiquiti router. So it is possible depending on the rules you have setup. It's the same with any devices. Mikrotik will hit performance limits if you add a lot of firewall rules
@MikeKulls: With the older stuff, just set up smart queue and enter 90% of your tested download/upload speed as limits, and you should be good to go.
Would not advise messing with any other queue rules as a lot of them actively hurt performance if set up incorrectly.
@juns: With 1000 / 50 it should be a lot less of an issue because you are rarely going to max out the network bandwidth.
You want QoS to avoid bufferbloat, or you will get lag doing other tasks when watching a video / downloading in the background.
I don't think that bufferbloat is an issue with nbn. There seems to be something that mitigates this within the network.
We've tested this across half a dozen friends across the country and we didn't get ping timeouts on maxed lines. I've tested overseas and had ping drops.
@rumblytangara: I've tested in VIC on HFC and FTTP, and loaded ping goes from +70-90ms to +0ms with QoS disabled vs. enabled.
Tested with both iPerf3 and the waveform tool, consistent results.
May be a implementation thing? Or some of the ISP provided gear has mitigations by default.
No packet loss on full network load though, which actually does happen overseas.
@HPdeskjet: Oh, to be fair I did see elevated ping response times, but it was maybe a hundred or two ms. Not like the total timeouts overseas.
I'm just not worried about slightly increased latency. But given NBN's fairly low speeds compared to what I'm used to, hitting that increased latency could be fairly easy, so there would be a noticeable impact on some activities.
I've got total crap BW for home, but it's not really been severe enough for me to go and implement sqm.
@rumblytangara: Yep, about in line with what I measured.
A hundred or so ms is barely noticable for streaming / video conferencing (unlike overseas where the connection drops entirely, credit to NBN for that).
but +100ms or +200ms makes a lot of online games fairly unplayable, rubberbanding etc.
With typical 50/20 or 100/40 speeds you are hitting that elevated ping basically all the time with a single download or YT / Netflix stream.
Less of an issue with gigabit etc. when you rarely saturate the entire connection.
nowadays i'm leaning towards just getting a N100 4x or 6x 2.5GBps port firewall mini-pc with opnsense/pfsense and having separate wi-fi access points.
I played around with pfsense a while back and it was good, but the lack of wifi support really killed it for me. That was the reason I went to mikrotik. I don't use the wifi in the mikrotik generally but it's definitely handy to have. Eg sometimes I use wifi as the wan, or setup a wifi bridge to some device.
Price match JB hifi to get additional $30 off