One of the best mid-size SUVs out there, the Hyundai Tucson Hybrid is now $46,990 drive away saving approx $3,000.
There are savings across all of the Tucson Hybrid range including the Elite & Premium variants.
This is the brand-new facelifted version which has only just been released. Uses 5.3L/100km combined with 172kW / 367Nm.
Savings for each state plus price history can be viewed at The Beep.
Last i heard it was still 12months plus for a Rav4 Hybrid ?
I don't think it's that long anymore. But, there's a reason that they're so popular and you have to wait. Rav4 all the way.
What is the reason they are so popular?
@serpserpserp: It's just good at everything. It's cheap to service, run and the resale is great. The hybrid one is fairly fuel efficient and the whole car is just so reliable. It's shit as an offroader but on the road for this type of car there's really no better.
@serpserpserp: I have a Haval H6 Ultra Hybrid and I often drive a late model RAV4 Hybrid for work. I prefer the Haval.
@Morphio25: Driving experience seems to be what's sacrificed for all the good features mentioned. Never liked driving the big work camry even though it had power.
@gakko: The newer hybrids are worse. The power is replaced by noise and harsh vibrations when you put your foot down
Not any more, I booked last month standard config with 2k deposit on 20 Sep. Got the car yesterday- 09 October.
Yeah wait times are over they have stock now.
Resale values will start plummeting soon
Especially when the new model comes out
I hope new Prado can do the same. Has been waiting for over 6 months now after 2k deposit without seeing a demo yet
@shaoyangdl: I had a chat with one of reps while buying RAV4 and she said the demo vehicles are coming in November and along with that orders pre booked early this year would be completed within this year, so fingers crossed for you! You may get the vehicle soon enough.
Compared to 6 months ago, waiting time for RAV4 decreased to a few months. They still don't want to negotiate that much on price though, but some haggle is possible.
Depends on the variant you want, but the factory has been prioritising AWD/FWD Cruiser Hybrid models.
Got ours within 4 months I think?
Yeah, I've heard it's under 6 months now, depending on which model. Got ours last month.
3-6 months wait now
isn't a BYD Atto 3 in the same price range but its fully electric SUV?
Have fun at charging stations, bring a book.
There is a woolies across the road from me and every day at 7am when the car park open a bunch of electrics are waiting to get 2 hours of free parking and electricity… what an existence
@Onemoredeal: What an existence…says the guy spending his free time trawling ozbargain forums and bagging EV owners
@TRRR: Free? There was a km long queue when price was 15C cheaper than others in Metro this morning :)
@Onemoredeal: Ironically cars provided extra freedom and independence and now they are becoming burdensome on our money and our time.
@Onemoredeal: Be nice to the EV owners here, they're sensitive about their decision amid their assets recent large depreciation and elevated insurance costs…
again this is a mis conception of the ignorant. maybe own one and work out that is not the case.
Spending 30 minutes at a charging station every time you need to drive more then 2-3 hour away from your house is a small price to pay for the huge benefits and cost savings of an EV.
How often do you really drive more then 2-3 hours away from your house?
@samfisher5986: charging stations are only used for traveling long distance and your never there for 30 min the most i have ever been at a DC charger on a long run is 10 min.
@samfisher5986: You probably only save about 30-40% when you have to use fast chargers/Tesla. I own an atto 3 myself but would rather drive an oiler for long trips
@krisspy: Yes but how often do you need to use a public charger? For most people its very rarely.
The cost savings by charging at home are huge. I save $2500 per year by charging at home compared to a small petrol hatchback,I can only imagine if you compare it to a large petrol/diesel car.
Then you can add in the huge servicing savings.
@samfisher5986: Not arguing that EV's don't save money
Was merely pointing out the fact that using them on holiday trips is more hassle than money saved.
@samfisher5986: Surely you have to have your car at home during the day to get value out of home charging. Not an option for everyone.
@DavRo: Not at all, why do you think that, solar?
You can sign up to the many EV plans so you can charge overnight for 8 cents a kilowatt which for me means $3 a week to charge.
@serpserpserp: Something you'd have to charge 2 or more times. You can plan as much as you want but if charging stations are just all congested then your 30min pitstop turns to hours
@samfisher5986: "cost savings of an EV"
higher insurance costs, higher purchasing price (dont compare a big hatch with a proper SUV, compare oranges vs oranges for pricing)
and most importantly, absurd depreciation, so anything you save on petrol wont come even close to covering your resale loss
hybrids for the win
@CrazyTachikoma: the high insurance is actually myth, people don't shop around, the price of insurance for me is the same as I paid for my ICE cars. no difference. it just make me laugh how much people read the crap that out there that isn't actually fact. Try owning an ev and find out for yourself. you will very very surprised on what you don't know. I know people that have sold there tesla after 5 years to upgrade to another tesla and they only lost 50% of the value on resale. so I don't know what you mean I have seen ICE cars loose 60% or more value over 5 years.
the high insurance is actually myth
it is not, I myself quoted different cars at different insurance providers, and the cost was around 30% for EVs, consistently
and it's getting worse - in mature EV markets like the UK/US, where EVs are more common and so are crashes / need for repairs, EVs insurance is skyrocketing as insurers need to total the car if any question of whether the battery is damaged is raised. This will eventually happen in Australia.
You don't need to own an EV to find out, I can quote stuff myself online, I can check used car prices on CarSales, and I can check stats for the used market worldwide that show how massively EVs are depreciating.
Only stupid people need to buy to find out.
@CrazyTachikoma: I pay 100 bucks a month for full comprehensive for an ev in queensland UK/US is not Australia. and not sure why you would be concerned with other countries since you now buying insurance from other countries when you buy a car here.
What ever happens overseas hasn't happened here. insurance prices for evs are still the same as ice cars.
CarSales I have checked and telsas do sell used and a 5 year old tesla has a about a 50% cut on value. So unless your talking about a nissan leaf which is 10 years old that you can get brand new for 40k and used for 15k then I dont' see the trends your seeing how about you show use the evs your looking at?
@trufflesthepenguin: Allianz they are very well priced in the market right now, if you find a cheaper price they will beat it.
Also they reward you for loyalty and high rating with discounts. as long as you have never had a accident in the last 5 years.
@samfisher5986: The cost savings on fuel are hugely outweighed by the MASSIVE depreciation that EV's suffer. Most people will be afraid to buy an EV that is more than 5 years old, due to the fear that a battery replacement will cost more than the car is worth.
@kungfuman: Yeah, but don't forget that your 80k Tesla will be worth maybe 15k if you are luck after 5-6 years. Anyone who knows cars, knows that servicing and fuel are NOT the biggest costs when it comes to overall cost of ownership. Depreciation is BY FAR the biggest cost, so it is wise to consider that upfront.
@billy_bob: So I thought I'd fact check your claim as I'd snap up a Tesla for $15k.
2019 Tesla Model 3 (these are the oldest Model 3's, still 5 years old & the cheapest Teslas) -
Cheapest on CarSales $27k with 199,000kms
Most about $40k
Where are you getting $15k from?
@Quarn: Sorry, but just because people are listing them for that price, doesn't mean they sell for that price. Would you pay 40k for a 5 year old Tesla? I certainly wouldn't.
@Quarn: a mate of mine recently sold his 2019 model 3 performance for 40k too on carsales. they are selling for that too, its considered to be cheap for a performance model 3 that is that old. the day I see a 15k tesla in Australia it will be gone before its even listed for 30 seconds lol. you can't even see model S or model x's that are 10 years old in Australia that are 15k. But people that buy used teslas know about teslas or have owned them before. Most people that know nothing about evs or buying there first tesla won't buy a used one.
@kungfuman: A 2019 M3 performance was $90k ++ IIRC.
Still the $15k thing is ridiculous, I'd buy one today if that was true.
@billy_bob: A Corolla will be 40% depreciated in 5 years. What do you think a M3 highlander bought today will sell for in 5 years? I'm guessing depreciation will be similar.
But the replacement battery will be much cheaper by then. A replacement engine for a Corolla? Not sure.
@serpserpserp: I can guarantee you nobody will be replacing the battery in their EV's as it will cost almost as much as buying a brand new car. This will lead to thousands of EV's going to landfill in about 8 years from now. Which means that EV's are not that green after all. People need to look at the big picture, not just the here and now.
@billy_bob: Do you not understand how much cheaper batteries have got in the last 12 months? Can't imagine how cheap they'll be in 5 years
@serpserpserp: Do you have any actual costs to base your assumption on?
Check out this Youtube video with actual prices quoted by the manufacturers. Great channel buy the way!
And please note, the prices quoted are the battery cost only, not including labour, as confirmed in the comments section.
@samfisher5986: I do it every 2 months. Bris to Hervey Bay and since I have to eat lunch which takes me 30 mins, the car is charging while waiting for me
The cost of saving money. Some on here do far more to save money.
Charge at home? I've charged at a public station once in my five months of ownership.
Obviously having off street parking and a powerpoint are prerequisites.
I charge exclusively off solar, so my cost per tank is $5. Gets me 400 km of driving.
@Nuggets: Yeah, I don’t know where these “waiting hours for a charger” stories come from. Probably people that have not owned an EV. We bought one in July. Have used super charger once, while waiting for home charger to be installed. Parked at local shop charging station, walked into Woolies to grab a quick dinner shop, walked back and I was at my 80% charge limit. A lot better than having to pull over into a petrol station and was cheaper.
@pwnd: I would believe it can happen. As someone that has been eyeing EVs but not pulled the trigger, i've had numerous conversations with EV owners i work with where they had significant issues with lines to access a charger, broken/not working properly and having to detour etc especially when travelling during school holidays and long weekends, incidents like that which at the time have added quite a bit of time and hassle. Collectively the general gist was they just learn from it put more effort into their trip prep/planning, which makes sense. It does seem the rollout of charging infrastructure is grossly inadquate for the growth in EVs…. just like housing to support migration, we're a bit of a dumb country.
@Nuggets: 0 times so far here in 2600km. People are clowns. If you had a petrol bowser at home you'd fill up at home too.
Plenty of people spend very little time at them as they plug in at home…preferably on solar
Most charging is done at home while you drink beer and watch sauron craft rings.
Why go to one? It would charge in the garage while im at home 99.5% of the time. The couple of road trips just have lunch/other meal while it charges for 20 mins, East.
also with charging depending on state and coverage eg for example queensland has free AC chargers in most shopping center cafe gym and other public venue. you can pretty much get away with free charging for the lifetime of the ownership or when the free charging stops. I know people that have owned a model 3 a seal and they have been charging for free for over a year. the amount of money you save on fuel and electric in the 1000s last year I saved 4000 bucks on fuel cost alone. and about 1000 bucks on servicing cost as well. the savings literally funded a holiday for me.
@kungfuman: it costs me $3 per week to charge my EV, driving it every day. Personally I couldn't be bothered charging for free for such a small saving but then I've read that some people take toilet paper from work!
@samfisher5986: it makes you laugh though the little savings you get from free charging as to paying for it at home is very little but people will do anything to get something for free :D
I bet in 7-8 years you could much more easily sell this Hybrid than the EV… No one is going to want an EV with the $$$ battery running out of warranty..
Once EV's mature and 800KM range EV's come out, Petrol and Hybrid car prices will take a huge price dive. Literally the only incentive to have a petrol/hybrid today is extra range and 5 minutes vs 30 minutes refueling with a ton of downsides.
The main cars we've yet to convert to EV are hardcore 4WD's and reasonably priced commercial vehicles.
@CrazyTachikoma: Even if electricity doubled, the cost to run my EV would go from $3 per week to $6 per week. Meanwhile the entire country would be messed up because doubling the cost of electricity would not be viable.
@samfisher5986: any public charging is close to petrol in price, and fast charging is already more expensive than petrol
"oh but I charge at home and it cost me $3" news flash, not everyone lives in a house with solar, a ton if not most people would rely on public chargers, and everyone relies on public/fast chargers when on a trip
@CrazyTachikoma: I don't have solar.
The only people who can't charge at home are people who park on the street or people who live in apartments that have not yet agreed on EV charging.
I would say the percentage of people who are going to buy a brand new car and park it on the street is low.
@samfisher5986: "are people who park on the street or people who live in apartments"
which is the majority of population, where I live the vast majority of people with brand new cars (i30Ns, Raptors, etc.) do park on the street, and they have garages
even apartment blocks that have EV chargers have very few (a couple vs hundreds of cars) since the power/grid needed is complex and expensive, they aren't free to charge in most cases, and in many cases aren't even working
again, all these people would rely on public charging
@CrazyTachikoma: I think you are making that up, people park their nice cars in a garage.
Apartments issues have very little to do with power/grid, and cost doesn't have to have any difference to home charging.
At the least you only need an electrician and time to install electrical ports.
Yes if everyone wants to buy expensive fast chargers then the apartment would need to install a load balancer, but this is completely unnecessary unless they vote that they want that.
I think you are making that up, people park their nice cars in a garage.
well go (profanity) yourself then
"Apartments issues have very little to do with power/grid, and cost doesn't have to have any difference to home charging.
At the least you only need an electrician and time to install electrical ports."
my God you are dense - a single EV can pull over 200 kW when DC fast charging
now think for a minute, 50-200+ cars parked in an apartment block, all fast charging, how much kw you need to deliver??
answer: a (profanity) ton, you need a power plant for that, even dealers can only have a few chargers and it cost them over 100k for that
@CrazyTachikoma: This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about.
Literally nobody has a DC fast charger at home. Literally nobody.
Typical ignorant ICE person who has no idea what they are talking about.
@samfisher5986: we were NOT talking about homes, we were talking about apartment blocks, and many do have DC / fast charging
same for dealers
learn to read
@CrazyTachikoma: Yes.. there is no reason to have DC fast charging in an apartment. If anyone has done that, I can only assume the strata owns it in an effort to scam the owners of the apartments out of money by charging them.
Simply requesting an electrical point (preferably 15A), is all you need.
All apartments can support owners plugging into an electrical point.
people can do over 800,000 km on a single battery before being replaced they have tested this only many teslas over the last 10 years. in the U.S. and Europe the misconception is that batteries will fail but the likely hood is very rare less than 1%. The reliability of an ev surpasses ICE cars these days.
@kungfuman: age is more important than mileage, EV batteries don't last over 15 years, ICE lasts 30+ if well maintained
also, after 10 years the already limited range starts decreasing rapidly
" The reliability of an ev surpasses ICE cars these days." source: your ass
actual Consumer Reports data show that EVs are one of the most UNreliable cars on the road. The reliability rank is
- hybrids
- ICE
- EV
- PHEV
@CrazyTachikoma: Reliable ICE cars last more like 15 years before they need major work. Cheap ICE Cars more like 10 years.
Your 30 year figure is based on older cars or doing significant amounts of work to the car that is not financially viable.
Either way, with the huge cost to service an ICE vehicle, your argument isn't really valid.
@samfisher5986: ICE is only a huge cost to service if you don't maintain it properly since new
most EV brands require yearly servicing now as well if you want to keep your battery under warranty
I don't care about your opinion, facts are facts and EV wishful thinking doesn't change that
@CrazyTachikoma: ICE servicing is every 6-12 months and there are much higher costs to do that service as there's more to do.
EV's are every 2 years and there's very little to do. Yes EV's like BYD have yearly, but if you look closer is actually every 2 years as every second year is purely a check and windshield washer top up.
@CrazyTachikoma: actually what is important is the battery technology, Nikle cobolt vs LFP batteries have a different life spans also not enough EVs have been around for as long as 15 years to substantiate sufficient data on how long you can keep original batteries for regardless of mileage. And battery technology is changing every year on this. The price for battery replacements will go down over time it already has with telsa. Also battery swapping technology is something that has been taken off in many countries, to swap out a battery that is out of charge with a fully charged one takes less than 5 min to do. So there is alot of variables that make it hard to really compare reliability over an ICE car because there is simply not enough data over 15 years. there are more ICE cars in the world than evs you can look up the reliability states of ice cars globally by brand or overall average comparied to evs so, if your not willing to learn then you are a lost cause.
@kungfuman: you are comparing potential / wishful thinking (new batteries MAY last longer, battery replacement MAY get cheaper, etc.)
versus real world historical data from the past decade of EVs on the road
between real data and wishful thinking, I know which one I believe
@CrazyTachikoma: And you are comparing past data for ICE vehicles compared to new ICE vehicles which don't last as long and need a lot more money to keep going past 10-15 years.
Not to mention that Hybrid vehicles now have batteries and a lot of other complexities which are very expensive to replace.
@CrazyTachikoma: as I said there isn't a 15 year span of data to be able to substantiate the life span of these batteries over time in evs the only thing right now is mileage stats. All people are doing is making assumptions and guessing with out taking in account the technology used. Its very hard to say how long an ev will last because the variables in these vehicles keep changing. I would love to see this historical data you keep going on about show us some sources and I can have a read of it. That way we can determine what your basing this information on. I would like to see how detailed this source is. All I am interested in is verified data
@CrazyTachikoma: Lol who in majority owns and ice for 30 years..
If we all did ICE brands would tanked 10 years ago.
@ttt888: I think he is referring to people that buy 30-year-old cars. because unless the car is worth money because its a special edition car or a vintage one, its not worth keeping for 30 years.
This or RAV4 hybrid ?