My dad called a few sparky to install the 15A Powerpoint Supplied and Installed,
First quote: $700
Second quote: $770
Is this the normal rate now? Sounds expensive but we are among a building shortage here in Perth……….
Is $700 - $770 The Normal Going Rate to Install a 15A Powerpoint?
Aerith-Waifu on 27/09/2024 - 20:17
Last edited 29/09/2024 - 22:14 by 2 other users
Last edited 29/09/2024 - 22:14 by 2 other users
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no way, an electrician did it
Thats crazy cheap, maybe my dad got quoted higher because he is an old man. Who knows………….
ehh depends dude, personally speaking I wont touch the meter board direct wiring, that is best to left to experts (anything to do with meter/ main switch) and ofcourse you aint gonna get 15A randomly, it has to come from breaker to main switch first, then wire to somewhere in house.
My suggestion to you is that instead of installing a new 15A powerpoint, consider/ask them what about upgrading an existing 10Amps powerpoint to 15Amps (it might save you a bit of cost).
If you’re upgrading to 15A you’re probably going to want to run a thicker cable so it doesn’t overheat and cause a fire.
@ColtNoir: Really depends on old wiring to be honest.
Best to leave that to expert electrician.
Although yeah I'd probably suggest upgrading wiring, and PowerPoint and the switchboard circuit too.
But main advantage of upgrading is that running a new wire using old one to pull it is a lot easier than installing a totally new one
@ColtNoir: A 15A point is usually on its own dedicated circuit, so it isn't really viable to change over a 10A to a 15A (there are usually 3-4 double 10A powerpoints on a single circuit)
@ColtNoir: Actually can do 15A on same cable size. Just different rule about how many outlets can be on the circuit. I had two cables ran for the pool. One had 4 normal 10A gpos the other had a single 15A.
Your dad's correct IMO, especially for a 15A powerpoint. Not worth burning your house down or having insurance rejected to save a few hundred bucks.
I got two PowerPoints and a flood light (supplied by electrician) installed earlier this year(melb) for 500 dollars. This guy had pretty good reviews on google and a fair number of them mentioned that his pricing is reasonable so.
Yes!
Depends on what work is involved.
Need to run new correctly rated power lead from switchboard to point of new 15A power point.
One cannot just put thier finger in the air an expect a quote confirmation.
Op has 2 quotes of similar cost already.
They could get a 3rd just to be satisfied.But if posters here say its not the going rate whats OP to do?
Other than get more quotes.I might need a 15A power point in my garage soon, care to link who you went with?
$250 … easy routing
OPs quote could be about right then id it's a more comlpex job..
I had an electrician talk me out of installing a powerpoint coz it would be too hard for him.
Options were to route along outside house, or remove roof.I think they earn too much to crawl in ceiling spaces these days.
Perth sparkies upgrading their cabin cruisers?. Maybe WA sparkies have higher insurance?
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/perth/western-power-fined-4…Most likely.
How long is the cable run and any obstructions?
Some tiling and painting may be required.
Easier just to cover the area in Star Wars stickers.
Powerpoint is to be installed in the middle half of the house with box on the right hand side, so not a full stretch for sure.
this is a pointless question as there are many variables required with the quote, and the installation of a power point.
"this is a pointless question"
Hence it's locationthanks for explaining the pun
Postcode?
South of the river Perth
Albany?
Antarctica?
yes
no
maybe
I don’t know… could you repeat the question?
they are a rip of usually ngl.
just gotta call various business ( i suggest google /google maps ) search like electrician. Call and ask rough price from various companies.
Thats a ripoff assuming:
- gyprock
- coming off existing circuit
- no significant rewiring
- supply of gpo
I mean, I couldgo dig out my recent sparkie invoices but I can guarantee he wouldn't dare charge me seven fiddy for one gpo, not even chased in a solid brick wall.
$700 ?? yeah that is a rip of man NGL.
that being said why you need 15A for ??
standard items are fine with 10A.
Kitchen induction stoves are like 40Amps
Builder (construction builders are only charging $140 for a outdoor dual PowerPoint BTW guessing standard 10Amps)
My guess is that they want the 15a outlet in their garage for a slightly faster EVSE for their brand spankin’ new EV car that they have posted questions about every and day for the last 12 months…
Hmmmm……i thought asking question now will be better than asking questions later
It’s weird. In another comment OP has said they want the plug in the middle of the house, so a decent amount of wiring. Not like from a garage switchboard to a new plug nearby for an EV.
$100 was the price my dad paid when he built his house 9 years ago. So $700 is really a bit shocking
Just wait till you get a 3 phase, 32a outlet installed on the other side of the house… yikes.
And asking “is $700 ok for this job?” is like asking if this piece of string is long enough…
No area. No idea on how far the plug is away. No indication of the box needing an upgrade… so many variables.
If this is for your new EV, you should be looking at at least 32a outlet for future proofing. Going from 10a to 15a you are going from 2400w to 3600w (excluding losses) so it’s not even much quicker. A 32a outlet would let you use a 15a EVSE, but at least let you upgrade later to a 7kW wall box later down the track.
If only I spent the time explaining why a 32a outlet would be of a benefit… oh well, guess we’ll never know now…
Do better 😂
Probably because you haven’t told us what the plug is for.
Just wait till you get a 3 phase, 32a outlet installed
Especially if your house doesn't already have three phase power.
Why do I need 3 phase? Been with 1 phase for 18 years now
I would actually recommend 4 phase. It's combines the best of 1 and 3.
Going from 10a to 15a you are going from 2400w to 3600w (excluding losses) so it’s not even much quicker.
It's 50% quicker.
Which is still (fropanity) slow and doesn’t allow you to upgrade to 32a in the future without getting the electrician in again to put in another plug and wiring and RCD.
A 15a plug will work fine (with an adaptor) from a 32a socket, what work work, is a 32a EVSE plugged into a 15a socket.
Yes, but it's still 50% quicker, which makes it perfect for me.
@Cheapskate Paul: Let's work out just how much faster each of them is using the MG4 51 Excite. Let's say you have to charge it up and it requires 50kWh of charge…
10a (About 1.9kW with losses) = 23.3 hours from empty. (A whole day)
15a (About 3.1kW with losses) = 16.2 hours from empty. (half a day)
32a (About 6.8kW with losses) = 7.4 hours from empty. (less time than most people sleep/work for.)I'm am not saying that 15a isnt 50% faster, I am saying it's a waste of time and money when 32a is a MASSIVE decrease in time and future proofs the install. You CAN draw 15a from a 32a socket… you CANT draw 32a from a 15a socket. Just because you can get by with 15a now, doesn't mean that you will only ever need 15a. And even if you can only ever drag 15a, you can still do this on a 32a circuit…
@pegaxs: We travel about 150km per week on average. That uses about 25kWh or about 1300kWh per annum. Even at peak grid rates that would cost only ~$550 per annum. I have a 5kW solar system, so charging at more than 15a would result in drawing from the grid. I live in a 1960s double brick home which is single phase with a maximum draw of 40a. I also have a ducted RC airconditioner which draws a maximum of about 20a. So I could never charge at 32a. As I said, 15a is perfect for me, whereas 10a is usable, but not ideal.
@Cheapskate Paul: Ahh, yes, the old sliding the useful information in after the fact. My apologies for not being able to mind read that you have a 60yo house on 40a max draw. I really should have known that.
@pegaxs: I am not the only person in Australia with a 40a maximum draw. You gave very poor advice for anyone in a similar position to me. And 15a is still 50% faster than 10a, even more when you consider the increased efficiency.
I accept your apology for not considering other peoples circumstances before giving advice.
I am not the only person in Australia with a 40a maximum draw.
Didn't say you were… You are in the minority, though. Most newer houses have 100a allowance, and my own personal house has 150a and 3 phase.
You gave very poor advice for anyone in a similar position to me
Well, you see, this is information you should have offered up front, then my advice would have been tailored to you specifically.
And 15a is still 50% faster than 10a
Can you copy the part where I said it wasn't? And for the record, 50% of f%#k all, its still only f&^k all and a little bit more. Now 320% more is A LOT more…
even more when you consider the increased efficiency.
Yeah… that's not how "increased efficiency" works, champ.
I accept your apology
Well, I feel very humbled that you would accept it…
for not considering other peoples circumstances before giving advice.
Oh, you mean the part were you negated to mention your personal circumstances until after I had tried to impart information? Yeah, that part… I'm decidedly not apologetic for.
My information was correct based on the information I had available at the time, which was zero due to you neglecting to mention it, even though you replied two times before you cared to mention it.
Enjoy your negs :)
Ahh, yes, the old sliding the useful information in after the fact. My apologies for not being able to mind read that you have a 60yo house on 40a max draw. I really should have known that.
Dammit man, how dare you write anything on the internet without being able to read the minds of people who you have never met, and never will meet, IRL.
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where is he located?
dunno, probably NOR
Get multiple quotes and find out.
That’s a daily rate for an electrician here in Melbourne.
Are they chasing the cable into masonry wall also and rendering after? then yes likely price quoted.
Good point
+++ highlights differences between many homes MELB VS WA.I dont believe there is any rendering involved. They didnt even come on site to look at it.
It would probably be cheaper if they didn’t have to come on site.
Where does the cable need to run through the house? What are the walls made of? Does roof sheeting need to be lifted? Were there other tasks needed that the electricians noted on their quotes?
They didnt even come on site and just quoted over the phone
Thats a quote of I don't want to do it, but if they paid this crazy price I might as well.
I had a 15a put in for 250-ish wasn't a long run from the box in to the garage.
I had a 3p 32a put in at the time the house was built, it was just under $680 but was also 2/3rds down the other end of the house and included all the bits. - This seemed steep at the time for sure but other quotes were around there, the various HVAC guys I got quotes from for systems were gonna charge between 450-750 for them to do it, the cheaper one was also charging more for the HVAC gear.
(In Melb 2-3 years ago)makes sense now, the job is too small they cant be bothered with it hence the high costs
Robert B. knew this when he set up shop in Perth.
All them warning stickers on shelves probably accelerate their sales.Country QLD rates are like 500 if no drilling into asbestos is required.
Find fancy crumbling stuff? Brace, brace…
It's a rip off. North Brisbane, January 2023, $325 with invoice for a 15A double weatherproof powerpoint fitted (I supplied the power point but that's only about $25). 39m of cable supplied by the electrician. Installed on an external brick veneer wall so no drilling through noggins required.
Qld most likely brick veneer. WA quite possibly double brick.
Is this the normal rate now?
How long is a piece of string?
Without knowing the install details, it is hard to say. Was this a long run? Was this a hard to get to location? Was it on its own CB?
Get some other quotes and compare.
Double brick house, meter box on the right hand side, 15A power point needs to be installed in the middle of the garage so about 8 metres away from the meter box.
Pretty standard as far as I know.
My electrical switchboard is in garage so I had an easy job. I paid $150 for a 15A GPO in 2023 (mates rates+ cash). He usually charges $250 for this sort of work.
1m cable run from switchboard to GPO within the same wall in garage (straight run beneath plaster wall, on dedicated circuit.
My mums house had a 40m run from switchboard on 1 side to the other side for a 15A GPO. Cost her $500 cashie+ mates rates. Going rate was $600.
Got a third quote today, $660 inclusive of GST
This time photos of the meterbox was sent, as well as location there the powerpoint are supposed to be installed.
So sounds like the going rate then?
You have to find someone who isn't paying off his Ranger and jet skis…
We had a guy come today to give a quote for a fairly small concreting job. When I saw him pulling into our driveway in his Dodge Ram, I knew the quote would be high - which it was!
You and @tunafish007 should spend a weekend together whinging about tradies.
That does seem kind of expensive. I recenty had a 75" tv wall mounted, all up i paid $500. That included a wall box with a power point installed inside it, a brush wallplate, the bracket, 4 4k certified hdmi cables, a network cable and a coax cable for free-to-air.
Your quote is "i cant be bothered doing this small job but for $700 ill do it".
Yes, i even had 1 guy quote me $1100 today for the following before GST:
2 weather proof outdoor powerpoint on the back of the garden 10a
1 15A powerpoint in the garagecrazy!
i think depends on the ease of job, for example we got ours much cheaper, ours is a fibro with about 50cm crawlspace under, soo it all took getting a wire from the main box to the other side from below the house, and out the fibro 4 screws in and bob is your uncle
It is usually $200-$250 for standard installation where it's easy access.
Given you are constantly getting that quote, you probably have more work involved.
Why don't you ask them what is the challenge here as typically it cost in range I mentioned. They can explain and then you know. Do report back
I will call a few myself tomorrow and see what they says.
It sounds expensive but when it comes to plumbers and electricians they generally couldnt care about 'small' jobs unless so they will charge crazy high charges to either make it worth their time or f off the job
Recently paid about $650 for 7m run 6.0mm^2 for electric stove. Including new RCD
All that for $650? Which city?
Blue mountains.
Had a small hot water job too which was around $300 extra
"Double brick house, meter box on the right hand side, 15A power point needs to be installed in the middle of the garage so about 8 metres away from the meter box.
Pretty standard as far as I know."OP needs to provide more information for the install, e.g. what is the access like where the cable needs to be run, is the outlet on an internal or external wall?, Do you have space in the meter box? What other circuits do you have? What size is the main switch?
As commented elsewhere, seems $200-$250 for a "standard installation", i.e. easy access, no other upgrades. Getting into the roof and fishing through double brick would not be easy access. Running 8 m along an external wall and straight through double brick would be close to easy. Get all your info, post here and then maybe try Air Tasker.
It would be helpful to know why you want this and how it will be used. For EV you don't even need to upgrade if you're not exceeding the range you can charge for each day or week on a 10 A outlet. Be aware I'm not a mind reader of your circumstances, nevertheless these could be your options:
- Put off the upgrade until you understand your usage.
- Upgrade an existing 10 A outlet to a 15 A outlet and only charge when you're not running high draw appliances on the same circuit (yes you can do this, no you won't burn down your house, so much uninformed comments on forums.)
- Install a 32 A single phase circuit with a double 15 A outlet. You can easily add a 32 A outlet at a later date. Post back here or discuss with the electrician if you only have a 40 A or even 25 A feed to the house, it should still be possible. Obviously only 25 A circuit for 25 A feed.
- Install a 32 A 3 phase circuit with a double 15 A outlet on one of the phases. You can easily add a 32 A outlet at a later date. Do this if the install is particularly difficult. Probably don't do this if you don't already have 3 phase power. This is great future proofing as you will have 22 kW available, allows for 2 cars with 11 kW onboard chargers each.
Option 1 or 3 probably suits you best, but again, I'm not a mind reader. Option 2 is best if it will work for you.
Bonus if you get off peak rates.
Only option at the moment is the ceiling 10a powerpoint, I saw him climbing up and down the other day and his legs were shaking, hence we discussed to have a wall powerpoint installed instead. If those 10a powerpoint is on the wall, he might just use those.
In that case just get a 2 to 3 m extension lead and leave it plugged in. If this works please update the thread. If you still want to add outlets then please update thread with the other information I requested.
Tesla Mobile Connect says don't use any types of extension lead on the instruction booklet
@Aerith-Waifu: Use as short as you can in order to minimise voltage drop. I would expect no issues using an extension lead rated for 10 A (for a long time all leads sold are minimum 10 A, only years ago you could get them with a lower rating.) There is no good reason not use an extension lead when you have no other convenient choice.
Also, you could just leave the mobile connector plugged in. Unless you may need to charge elsewhere.
In the US you can likely mix and match cable and outlet ratings so you need to protect people from doing stupid things. Even so, this is poor form from Tesla to place that restriction.
@AccuracyAdvocate: I checked with Tesla on this one today and they say there is absolutely not recommended when using a extension lead. But again, how would they know?
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i paid $250 for a 15A powerpoint total earlier this year (melb), easy routing from garage to switchboard though