https://bydautomotive.com.au/configurator/byd-sealion-6
| State | Drive Away Price | After Cash Back |
|---|---|---|
| ACT | $50,291.60 | $47,791.60 |
| NSW | $51,784 | $49,284 |
| NT | $49,656.25 | $47,156.25 |
| QLD | $50,797 | $48,297 |
| SA | $51,604.11 | $49,104.11 |
| TAS | $51,586.42 | $49,086.42 |
| VIC | $51,936.45 | $49,436.45 |
| WA | $53,197.10 | $50,697.10 |
Update 1-Oct
Extended to October 31, 2024, vehicle to be delivered before November 30, 2024.
Yeah I wouldn't mind a Kia carnival competitor either
Thought it might be a Pajero competitor
Sperm Whale
Male or female?
How much for spermwhale?
Weird name for a car
I prefer Dugongs
Need some good discounts on Atto 3 MY24 and Seal
Apparently BYD has said they are not interested in playing the discount price war like other Chinese EVs e.g. MG and GWM, that's why there have only been small discounts this whole year.
I mean, no business is intrinsically interested in minimizing profits…
Tesla is (forced to defend against superior offers ;)
I rather want Seagull get imported with competitive pricing.
AAAHHHHHH i'VE BEEN SWINDLED
(I am enjoying my Sealion 6 very much)
I am very interested in this car - do you mind giving a short review? Likes/dislikes?
Whilst I personally wouldn't purchase a made in PRC car for various reasons…
They are making it an absolutely fantastic time to be an Aussie car buyer! We must have one of the most open and price competitive markets for cars in the world right now.
Good luck to all bargain hunters out there 😁
I'll give you an up Homer…. bart can't be the only one that luvs ya
But he is No Homer Club, so he should receive a down vote instead XD
His minus 4 has come up to neutral… the world is with him!
Most cars are made in part or in whole in PRC. Guess it is a good thing you aren't in the market for a car.
That's about to change, even Toyota is bowing down to the cutting edge, world class leading technology in a BYD hybrid. They will outfit all their new cars with BYD hybrid technology because they can't beat it.
Really? I thought Toyota had the hybrid formula down pat, considering they have been at it for almost thirty years
where did you learn this?
It's a shame that the importers are still ripping us off on prices
Say what you want about PRC cars but if it wasn't for competition we'd be paying way more for mainstream brands.
Example: 10k price cut on a brand new model. That's unheard of and never would have happened without the influx of cheaper PRC cars. And it goes to show how much mainstream brands are ripping us off.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/renault-megane-e-tech-ev-price…
Cool
Buy them all you like, absolutely zero interest in Chinese cars
Blah blah blah, your neg is about to be revoked. According to your comment history, you are a bit obsessed about shit talking about BYD. Glad it triggers you so much, enjoy seeing more of them on the road going forward 🙂
enjoy seeing more of them on the road going forward
Only? Do they not have a reverse gear?
@brotherfranciz: I think they are still workshopping plans for a proper chassis. It’s a big transition from bicycles to cars.
LOL that's why Japanese brands like Toyota will be using more advanced hybrid engines from BYD, their bz4x EV uses Chinese CATL batteries so people like you can pay extra for the same tech with a Japanese badge slap on it.
@x d: You seem to be coping by making up stuff. BYD Dmi Tech is PHEV different than mild hybrids used for RAV-4. BYD can do 2000km with DMI-5 what model of hybrid Toyota can do that range?? how are they copying tech that Toyota cant even make?
Chinese is the world leader atm with battery tech. where is Toyota or made in Japan batteries? oh yea, they exist in your dreams when you take too much copium.
@Creamsoda: You obviously don't understand engineering technology, and are easily gets sold on items. Do you understand planetary gear sets?
2000km? Only in Chinese propaganda youtubes.
Have to wait to see them tested outside of China. Here's one that is within China but doesn't look like propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6u-inDpas . Travelled 1350km before needing to stop for fuel. 60.78L went in the tank so 4.5L/100km. Not bad but if you take away the full charge of the PHEV battery at the beginning of 65km of pure electric range means hybrid mode really for 4.73L/km. Without the big battery - max range 1300km, no where near 2000km.
Test was done mostly on highway so should compare to Camry's extra-urban cycle, which is officially 4.5L/km. Sure the Camry needs to be tested in the same environment. At best BYD can only claim to match a Camry's hybrid fuel economy. That would be likely as the tech is really a copy of Toyota's.
The Prius with its shape is still the most effiicient on petrol alone.
No coping needed. Just sound scientific analysis. You should do the same.
Have to wait to see them tested outside of China. Here's one that is within China but doesn't look like propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6u-inDpas . Travelled 1350km before needing to stop for fuel.
Just knew you were going to post that video and claim the 2000km range is propaganda. you left out the part that wheelboy mentioned it can do 1450km if ran to a stop. you left out he CLEARLY mentioned the 2000km+ range tested by other media is real in urban conditions. you also failed to mention the whole test in the video is done on highways in poor weather conditions and the route he took was through a mountain range.
yea, same to you. try to be more scientific and not conveniently leave out critical info on the range test and use that as an argument to defend Toyota superior tech that they don't have. Show me that Prius can do 2000km range on urban driving. i'll use the video you've provided by wheelboy as reference that he said the BYD Qin L can do 2000km range in urban environment and it's not propaganda.
I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that Toyota magical battery tech exist and they decided to used cheaper inferior CATL batteries to save a few bucks. Why would they license the use of inferior BYD Hybrid tech in their future cars if they possess the best Hybrid technology? show me a 2500+km Toyota Hybrid in urban conditions that beats the DMI-5 from BYD.
@Creamsoda: It was in poor weather for a small part of their journey. Was it raining throughout? No.
They couldn't get the range that was claimed so they cut their journey short and headed back to Shanghai. If it took a bit more fuel to get up the mountain ranges then it would use far less fuel going back down so it evens out!
I am not really interested in the ultimate range. Just want to see how efficient their hybrid system is in L/100km used. Anything else can be extended by fitting a larger and larger battery. As it is their hybrid tech is no better than Toyota. Do you see Toyota using BYD's hybrid system in any cars sold outside of China? The answer is no because they don't need to.
Never claimed that Toyota has battery tech. They don't have any of their own because they didn't invest much into EVs. They do use other battery tech than CATL in EVs sent to Australia. They also have solid state batteries that they are putting some effort in, though how fruitful that would be is yet to be seen, which if turns out well, might blow the doors of CATL.
@x d: that's a load of crap considering BYD's hybrid system works in reverse to Toyotas. BYD's system is an EV supplimented by an engine, while Toyotas is an ICE car suplemented by the battery.
BYD's EHS transmission doesn't provide gear ratios to the ICE engine, Toyotas does and acts like a CVT to it. BYD's ICE runs at a single speed only and because of that is only used to actually power the wheels at speeds above 60kmh. BYD's EHS transmission is there simply to add supplemental ICE power when needed to a drivetrain that is already 100% powered by electric motors.
@Nos 4r2: https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/29/how-byds-5th-generation-…
If the planetary gear sets don't provide transmission ratios to the driven wheels to maximise the efficiency of converting stored chemical energy to kinetic energy with the optimal gear ratios to the engine speed then it will be similar to Nissan's or Honda's hybrids systems whereby the engine acts more like generator, or Mitsubishi's PHEV system with a single speed gear to run in parallel at high speed. Never going to be as efficient with inefficient gear ratios and/or conversion losses from engine to generator to electric motor. It's science.
whereby the engine acts more like generator, or Mitsubishi's PHEV system with a single speed gear to run in parallel at high speed
That is exactly what BYD's hybrid system is! Except instead of just running 100% parallel, it also has the option to run in series at highway speeds because its more efficient to run on ICE at high highway speeds (80kmh+) than it is on EV.
This is what sets BYD's Hybrid system apart form everyone elses.
And that article you listed even says EXACTLY what I said and proves my point.
using a single-speed gear as in the older generations
This Sealion 6 is the older generation! The Sealion 6 doesn't run the DMI 5.0 platform, it isn't available outside China yet.
For someone spewing out things like 'scientific analysis' and 'engineering knowledge' to back your arguements. How about you give yourself just a base understanding of the thing you are trying to shit can first before shit canning it?
@Nos 4r2: So what happens when the battery is low and the car has to run at low speed? Is is going to be really inefficient then? It is not going as efficient as a system with an optimised plantery gearbox that provide direct drive to the wheels at any speed.
"This is what sets BYD's Hybrid system apart form everyone elses". Mitsubishi already has a system running the engine in parallel at high speed using a single gear. How is BYD different?
I am aware of the Sealion 6 older system. See my post above re a range test on the BYD Qin. I believe it has the new DMI 5.0. Not as good as claimed.
So what happens when the battery is low and the car has to run at low speed? Is is going to be really inefficient then? It is not going as efficient as a system with an optimised plantery gearbox that provide direct drive to the wheels at any speed.
You need to change the way you are thinking. This is not a PHEV car in the conventional sense. Stop thinking 'engine car with battery' and start thinking 'this is an EV with a onboard petrol generator on it'.
The engine is nothing in this car, all it is 99% of the time is a power generator. This car is an EV with an onboard engine that can generate power so the battery lasts longer while driving. But in highway driving, the car can switch and use the engine only as that is more efficient than driving high speeds on EV motors and using the engine to top up. That is the ONLY time the ICE engine is connected to the wheels.
Electric motors are much more efficient at producing power and torque compared to an ICE engine, particualrly at low speeds, which is why the ICE engine is not used at all in those situations.
So what happens when the battery is low and the car has to run at low speed?
You can set when the engine turns on to start charging the battery up again in the settings, but by default, when the battery gets down to under 20% the engine will constantly run to keep the battery topped up and the battery will slowly drain down to nothing.
It is impossible to use the engine to generate enough power to keep the battery charged. The point of the system is to make a battery pack that would usually only last 100km on its own, go as far as 800km when its constantly getting charge by an ICE engine while driving.
The battery will eventually go flat unless you A) plug in and charge it up or B) sit idle for a while and let the engine charge it back up without any load on it
Even if you still have fuel in the tank, the car will conk out if you run out of battery. Like I said, its not a petrol car supplemented by a battery, it's an EV with a supplementary ICE engine. The battery is the primary fuel tank, not the actual fuel tank.
@Nos 4r2: I am aware of how PHEVs work (I have one). The ICE engine will try to keep charging the battery when low and for most applications the charging capacity from the ICE will be adequate enough to not let the battery run out. Haven't looked for a video of a PHEV running out of battery though, and would imagine that this would be possible if running on a race track or towing heavy things up a mountain range.
Any hybrid vehicles that relies on an ICE engine to run as generator is always going to get worse efficiency due to conversion losses compared to direct drive with optimal gear ratios.
These PHEV vehicles have short enough range that you can not think of them as full EVs and the efficiency of the ICE in hybrid mode is critical in comparison if you do long enough journeys. For most urban trips maybe not but the claim that BYD system is superior to Toyota is absolutely not correct.
EDIT - I see that you have edited your entry whilst I was typing mine
"It is impossible to use the engine to generate enough power to keep the battery charged. The point of the system is to make a battery pack that would usually only last 100km on its own, go as far as 800km when its constantly getting charge by an ICE engine while driving.
The battery will eventually go flat unless you A) plug in and charge it up or B) sit idle for a while and let the engine charge it back up without any load on it"
- ??? Do you think the car has to stop after 100 km and sit there to recharge. It doesn't look like you know how they work
Any hybrid vehicles that relies on an ICE engine to run as generator is always going to get worse efficiency due to conversion losses compared to direct drive
That is why you are supposed to plug it in to charge it! PHEVs always get lower efficiency when you just use the ICE to charge it.
A Rav4 hybrid will get 6.3L/100kmh form a full 55L tank and only 873km.
The Sealion 6 will get 4.3L/100kmh on a full charge and full 60L tank depleated to nothing and get 1,300km from that….and can produce DOUBLE the power in the process.
Even when you take electricity costs into account, BYD's system goes further, at a cheaper cost per km and with more power and torque generated.
By what metric that anyone actually cares about is Toyotas system better?
@Nos 4r2: RAV 4 2wd hybrid is 4.7 combined.
Sealion fuel economy with full charge can't be used to compare. Once the battery is low out of EV mode, the economy will be worse than that I am certain.
Sealion is better if you can recharge it every night at home using electricity, and as a PHEV quite cheap (but that's because it's subsidised in the manufacturing in China).
Costs of running will be cheaper but depreciation will be worse, and this will be a far bigger cost than running cost. If you also just use it mostly in EV mode, the smallish battery pack compared to BEVs is also going to be faced with battery degradation issues if you drive a fair bit each year.
Oh yes, Toyota also has PHEVs in their line up, the RAV 4 Prime in US and the Lexus 450h here for comparison
Sealion fuel economy with full charge can't be used to compare.
Yes you can becuase that is how everyone who drives it actually uses it. If you want to cherry pick specific scenarios where it's worse go right ahead but you'll just make yourself look a bit silly clutching at straws doing so.
and as a PHEV quite cheap (but that's because it's subsidised in the manufacturing in China).
And also because Toyota uses badge image to over inflate their prices. The Battery pack in a Rav4? Its 1.8kWh NIMH battery. Battery Tech from the 90s that Toyota hasn't changed for 30 years and is 1/10th the capacity as BYD's 18kWh LFP Battery. So why do they cost $10k to replace it? Capacity to Capacity that would mean the BYD would be $100,000 to replace. Doesn't add up does it?
BEVs is also going to be faced with battery degradation issues if you drive a fair bit each year.
Incorrect again. BYD uses LFP chemistry and their batteries are rated for 3,000 charge cycles (0%-100%) before degrading down to 80% of its oriignal SOC. If you do about 50km a day that means teh battery will last 30 years before it degrades to that point. Meanwhile, Toyotas NIMH chemistry is old as shit and suffers from phantom drain and battery memory effect leading to much shorter lifespan. Remember the whole 'you have to replace the battery after 10 years' BS that anti-EV propagnada pushes? Thats based on old NiMH batteries used on old EVs….like the one currently used in Toyotas.
the RAV 4 Prime in US and the Lexus 450h here for comparison
Which cost double the BYD options
@Nos 4r2: So why didn't you quote the official 1.1 L/100 km for the Sealion 6.
You already showed that you don't know all there is to know of PHEV's working and not an owner. Did you know that a lot of PHEV owners don't end up charging their cars after awhile, becoming sick of plugging them in daily and just end up using it as a normal hybrid?
You are sprouting BS re $10K cost to replace a Toyota hybrid battery. Even when degraded, it doesn't impact the fuel economy of their drive system greatly, and the cost according to uart on whirlpool "..Yep, similar experience with my old Gen2 Prius. The cost of battery replacement dropped significantly over the years, and when I got mine replaced (at about 300,000 km) it was only about $2400. Very cost effective given the number of km driven. Yes, mine behaved similarly when the battery was on it's way out. It did reduce the fuel economy a little bit, but surprisingly the loss was relatively minor. My old Gen2 has now done about 445,000 km, with the past 140,000 km being done on the replacement battery (which still seems to be in good condition). Even at nearly 450,000km I'm still averaging about 4.3 L/100km (with regular 91 fuel)."
The BYD will cost $15K is my guess given the capacity.
I did forget about the chemistry being LFP, but if you think that it will last 30 yrs, it just shows that you know a little about battery but not everything. Look up scientific papers on calendar aging, and it will be worse for PHEVs as due to the range, you can't keep it less than 70% all the time.
1.1 L/100 km for the Sealion 6.
Because its not realistic.
Did you know that a lot of PHEV owners don't end up charging their cars after awhile, becoming sick of plugging them in daily and just end up using it as a normal hybrid?
How is that the cars fault? Sounds like a lazy owner problem not a car problem.
You are sprouting BS re $10K cost
No im not, i was deliberately being conservative. Go to Toyota and get a quote for a brand new battery. It will be around $12k.
The cost of battery replacement dropped significantly over the years, and when I got mine replaced (at about 300,000 km) it was only about $2400.
Thats a refurb battery
Even at nearly 450,000km I'm still averaging about 4.3 L/100km
Its a Prius, not a heavy box on wheels like a Rav4/Sealion 6.
I did forget about the chemistry being LFP, but if you think that it will last 30 yrs, it just shows that you know a little about battery but not everything. Look up scientific papers on calendar aging,
I have. It's >1% a year. So even with a 0.3% calandar degradation rate, still 30 years. There is just no absolute way to definitely prove it because its only been used in cars for the last 5 years.
Anything else?
Back to the original point. Toyota PHEV and Hybrid sucks, is expensive and BYD's more efficient battery sentric system is already miles ahead. People might not like that because I dunno, racism perhaps? But I respect tech and it is very good tech regardless who makes it or where it comes from.
@Nos 4r2: Yeah nah, I'm convinced that you are making things up as you go along with no basis in fact (like you don't even know how a PHEV properly works)
"Because its not realistic." - really? You didn't like me pointing out that comparing HEV with the fuel economy of a PHEV should be done with the battery flat and now you claim that the 1.1 L/100km is not realistic. Why not if you are going to drive 50 km per day every day and charge it at night. In fact if that is the case the economy will be 0L/100km. Make up your mind!
"No im not, i was deliberately being conservative. Go to Toyota and get a quote for a brand new battery. It will be around $12k."
You are talking BS. RAV4 hybrids have only been in Australia in the last few years and all are still in warranty, given that Toyota warranty them for 10 yrs and UNLIMITED kms. How is BYD warrantying its battery, not even as good as Toyota's warranty I bet.
Even when warranty runs out, how about this from whirlpool Aus for a Camry hybrid battery from Toyota "Toyota are quoting around three and half grand fitted." Don't tell me you believe that Toyota will fit a refurb battery. If that's the going price for a Camry and since Rav 4 has similar drive train and wt (not a lardarse like the Sea Lion 6 at 2100kg, battery price for the RAV 4 would be not to dissimilar to the Camry. Oh and only FYI, RAV 4's in Aus now come with Lithium traction battery, though NiMH is still the superior choice in countries with cold climate (instead of you rubbishing NiMH tech) so that they don't freeze up like LiOn batteries in winter!
"I have. It's >1% a year. So even with a 0.3% calandar degradation rate, still 30 years. There is just no absolute way to definitely prove it because its only been used in cars for the last 5 years." Yeah nope, you have not done proper researching. Where did you pull out that 1% from, it's 4-5 % per year. If you think that a huge industry like this have not done battery research to see if it would work in BEVs then you really are naive. It is going to be a problem long term, but EV industries have been trying to hide these facts, especially with the use of battery buffers to hide the degradation. 30 years? Dreaming…
Toyota PHEV and hybrids suck? Nope, more expensive maybe but still the superior design. Racism? Are you going to play that card? It's the CCP that people might be objecting to, and with reasons.
These might be cheap but why do they need to discount to get stock moving.
@x d: Super easy to plug in when I get home. Takes me 15 secs.
Means I fill up with petrol about once a month.
@Nos 4r2: @Nos 4r2 I have been explaining BYDs PHEV system incorrectly to my friends, I also thought it was an ICE car with an impressive 18kw battery on it for the first 100 kms of pure EV driving…thank you for the explaining in detail why it is different.
Empty container test? I doubt a Dodge RAM or Tesla Cybertruck could pass that test!
Pity this car has so much missing from it compared to the overseas model, talk about ripping people a new one Ren Australia…. take another 15000 off for the all the bits you have cut out of the car..
Like what?
Seat memory feature is potential deal-breaker for me, since I share the car 50/50 with wife so we swap a lot.
China is just selling the same model below $30k AUD, believe there should be buffer to wait for further price drop. Will consider when it drop below $40k
you got the government to thank for. it wont.
import taxes, this that and shipping cost.
When these Chinese brands like Cherry, MG, GWM can put their Australia price on $30k mark, BYD still got the profit margin out there, the market is just extremely competitive
I really don't understand why these threads are full of people who have less than zero clue on the actual costs/duties of importing cars defending BYD's profit margins.
The cost and duties are (profanity) all, especially at this scale. BYD is literally just enjoying further ~$10-20k profits vs domestic sales, depending on the car/trim level. Whether their domestic margins are razor thin/loss-leading/government subsidized is another discussion entirely.
@xrailgun: If you think $10k difference is bad, wait till you compare the price of a Porsche in the US vs here!
@xrailgun: The Porsche 911 GT3 is around $145000 cheaper in Germany than Australia. Obviously it's because shipping costs from Europe are very high and the Australian model is built for the harsh Australian conditions of warm winters and steep roads in Vaucluse
@greatlamp: Its a pain for European, USA, Chinese car makers to make cars that are right hand drive. Smaller markets and adds costs.
@xrailgun: I don't know why people would of think it would have any impact on pricing. Goods are priced at what is an appropriate market rate. There is no reason that price should be the same in completely different markets,
Import duty is 5%. GST is 10%. So that’s around $5k.
They need to pay 10% GST equivalent on domestic sales too…
When export from China, the Chinese VAT will be refunded, which is 17%.
import taxes, this that and shipping cost…. slightly more than feck all, but slightly less than sod all.
This gets brandished around a lot and I just don't think its apples vs apples. Yes there are export, shipping and RHD costs, but I 'assume' they are selling in CN with v little margin (or indirectly/ directly subsidised) in a v competitive market but volume market.
I'd like to see more informed analysis on it, but again I assume they are largely subsidised for the local market.
Wouldn't it be more likely that they charge more in Australia because Australians earn multiple times more than Chinese consumers and will pay higher prices?
There never needed to be a technical justification to explain why Australians pay more for things, Chinese car makers want to maximise profits like the European and American car makers have always done in Australia.
Chinese car makers are subsidised for all their production. It's not relevant to the discussion about price differences in different countries
If Apple can consistently overcharge & Tesla before BYD competition, why not the superior Chinese brands?
UBS engineers found that BYD Seal has top tech & 15% better value than Tesla, or 30% better than EU models.
EVDirect is BYD’s distributor in Australia, so these guys would want to pocket a good amount of profits..
Have test driven and its a great vehicle. V smart and brilliant value. About to pull the trigger with a NL, shame its not on the premium but clearly a sign of the times.
Expect further price drops/ incentives for EV/PHEV's, esp from 1MAY to 30JUN when the EV/PHEV FBT concessions for NL end and when nearing EOFY.
I thought it was April 1, 2025?
You're correct. Likely be a surge of sales immediately prior, then complacency, then worry and a $ drop with the looming EOFY. That's my assumption anyway.
Pretty sure the 1/4/2025 date only applies to PHEV not full EV
This is what I thought too. Seems to be a lot of misinformation in this chain
Just signed a NL for this last week. Deal says no cashback for fleet vehicles otherwise I would be shooting myself in the foot.
@steelz
Does NL fall under fleet vehicle category? I’d be signing the NL coming week as well.
@FUZHA i was told by dealer that I missed the offer by a week and unable to get it…
Make sure the date you placed the order is after the 1st of September to make sure that you are eligible for this offer.
The depreciation must be horrendous on these cars.. the price just keeps coming down!
I'm going to HODL until my car is on deaths door..
This year's new car can be had for less than the money paid in last year. It happened to my Atto 3. Some subsidy must be happening to try to crush non Chinese car manufacturers. If you can hold you will save.
I wonder if our lack of large tariffs on chinese EVs (as we have zero domestic industry to protect) makes us a more attractive market to push more cars into
Smells like they haven't sold anywhere near as many as they thought they would……
In WA there is football field size parking lots full of the sealion 6 so I think your spot on
I think my SL6 is probably sitting there waiting for paperwork.
Ordered 2 months ago.
Premium with the white interior trim?
That doesn't sound like many, probably like the next month's worth of supply
There is multiple parking lots…
So fits about 100 or 200 cars?
There would be at least 500/600 mostly dynamics
A lot of car manufacturers do this, they make them in advancr as they know they will sell instead of being made to order.
over priced for a outdated hybrid model that's already replaced with the better Dmi5 engine.
Yeah, this car is simply too expensive as it has the exact same range as the Haval H6 Ultra Hybrid but costs an additional $10k. Furthermore, you have to plug it in everyday to pretend it's an EV, pointless. You're better off waiting for the Sealion 7 to come out at the end of the year as it'll probably be the same price as the Tesla Model Y but can last an additional 100km with a bigger battery and functions as a portable power bank with up to 2.5kW of output.
The $2.5k cashback makes it a bit more feasible, especially if you're not ready to go fully EV but want that EV experience to last a lot longer than a normal hybrid. A very niche car.
I'm waiting for the BWD Sperm Whale 7 to be released.