The price just keeps dropping! Significantly lower than average local price of ~$1000
Picked this up on last week's deal, at $70 more. Received mine within 1 week. Packaged well, and working very well. I personally opted for the DLC burrs. I upgraded from the Breville SGP and found the upgrade pretty significant.
Remember to ask for AU plug.
How does this compare to the Eureka Mignon Silenzio or Specialita? Mainly drinking espresso or milk based coffee.
Would like to know as well
Pros: Bigger burrs, standard burr sizes (interchangeable, seems Eureka aren't?), cheaper.
Cons: Lower quality build, louder, less refined, worse customer service (given Eureka is top tier).
I recently paid $493 for a Eureka Silenzio from Espresso Coffee Shop, so about the same price if you're happy to import and use an adapter on your plug. Just noting for information, in response to the comment about this being cheaper (I personally prefer the convenience of the hopper over having to single dose every time).
hey iMagoo, given your Resistance you're displaying, I thought I better jump in and mention The 2nd Law.
But ah on topic, thanks for providing your input on this deal. I'm not quite there in terms of upgrading my Breville Smart Grinder 'Pro', which I pair with an Aeropress!
pretty good combo i reckon
DF64 is primarily a single dose grinder, the tilted design is to reduce grind retention.
If you want the convenience of a hopper, this is not it.
It works completely fine with the included hopper. The tilt design is no impediment.
Came here to ask the same question! Haven't seen anyone actually address the difference in the quality of the espresso though. I only drink black coffee. My specialita/bambino makes pretty good espresso but still only about 85% as tasty as good cafe. Would like to get closer to cafe quality but not sure if that's possible as modest price points
You can't, with Eureka.
I have Specialita and was looking at buying DF64 Gen2 for all the reasons mentioned above. However, it is still not a perfect grinder. You'll still need to have some mods. Like stock burrs are not going to get you to the cafe level of espresso or black coffee.
The first mod is get Dlc, or even better. SSP HU. Meaning another 300$ gone.
Even if you spend money to get SSP set, it still is not going to cut like a cafe grinder weighing in at 98mm burrs.
In some reviews on YouTube, people have said that DF83 with stock can produce the same quality as DF64 with SSP HU. Both are in the same price range, so the big question is, why don't I get the DF83, use it stock for a while and then make a jump to latest SSP HU or cast burrs. I am seriously thinking not to get it. Hope you'd also input your thoughts.
Don't simply buy it because it's the value grinder, in this price range you can never touch care quality.
Something about Eureka Specialita and DF64, my grinder has a very very small range where I do espresso shots, it's the same damn range which is so small on DF64. Meaning, you can't go fine to get some fines in your grind 😂
Single dose grinders are good if you like to change beans and drink something different frequently… If you don't change beans, a hopper machine is ok. Just remember to purge a little when you haven't used your machine for more than 12 hours or so. The stale beans in the burrs will ruin your next coffee. (Also another benefit of single dose is low retention to avoid this process)
I have a hopper grinder, the Eureka atom 65 for my coffee machine and a hand grinder for my wide variety of pour over coffees.
Also I'm not sure why yours doesn't make as nice as the cafe.. are you using the same bean as theirs for comparison?
Yes. Recently added a bellows to Specialita, it was retaining a good gram or 2. Now I am quite close but still too far.
The problem is, the grinder can't do fines. I am always grinding closer to zero for espresso. If I go past it, burrs touch. Same. Is for DF64, watch some reviews, the range for espresso is so tiny.
@sqheaven: It's always this case that the grinding range is narrow and more sensitive the lighter the roast.
There are many variables that contribute to a coffee flavour. Including water hardness. The temperature etc.
You would have to find the cause and isolate it.
Larger burrs only reduce the heat of grinding on the beans as it grinds it faster. The uniformity of a but does impact flavour. And as you mentioned earlier you can get high uniformity burrs which can assist.
@maverickjohn: My eyes are set at DF83 with SSP HU. I need to feel a difference moving from Eureka. I might not see it on DF64.
Weirdly, the discount code does not apply to DF83. I would've made the move. I think DF64 is their fast selling item with more people in this price range.
Watch some comparison reviews before you suggest stuff, Eureka has limitations as others have highlighted. I spent two years without a bellows and now I think my coffee is a lot better when I fixed the retention issue. There's not a single home grinder (single dose) that does not take benefit from a bellows.
@sqheaven: I have invested in the coffee journey for quite some time my eureka atom makes better coffee than cafes. I can assure you I know my coffee and the equipment very well.
Also a bellows does not make your coffee better it just tries to manage retention.
Hence why I said to purge a bit of coffee if it hasn't been used for over 12 hrs. As the residual can make your next coffee taste off
@maverickjohn: I use puck screen and always clean my coffee machine, only one cup a day with Inglewood Sunset blend, which is my goto. So I also know what I am doing. I have a breville BDB with a mod. It's very good coffee, but when you're at a food Cafe there is this after taste in their coffee which is missing in mine. I believe that I don't fully unlock the complexity and flavour of the beans. Also tried same beans from those cafes. I bet it's the grinder. Why would so many people now using expensive burr sets? I think you haven't watched YouTube lately.
Interesting - I have a Specialita and ECM Casa V, I prefer what I make to the cafe including when I use the same beans - Ona
This is a much better option over eureka, no it may not have the build quality eureka has, but you have so many burr options if you ever want to upgrade. With the eureka you’re limited to their proprietary burr sizing, and in the Mignon range there is a few different versions ( some 50mm, 55, etc) . This will produce great grinds for espresso or milk based drinks, you can’t go wrong with the price
I just took delivery of df54.
This is crazy cheap. I was almost sold on a Niche zero, purely for milk based drinks, but this is $500 cheaper even with DLC burrs…
I was pretty set on the Niche as well until I saw a comparison of the internals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjIXgt1_CxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFHke2KxpI
The DF64 is like 80% motor, and direct drive. The niche has a tiny motor and a plastic gearbox
Explains the noise difference. For what it's worth, I've seen someone burn their Niche motor out and get a replacement for £60 delivered.
@Monty711
What rubbish.
The niche motor is perfect for what it does - a quiet and highly reliable DC motor, geared down to drive the excellent Kony conical burrs at 330 rpm. And the customer service offered globally from Niche UK for any issues or repairs is the stand out amongst grinders, especially when the warranty expires.
The DF64 is a great grinder too for most home users.
The real issue here when comparing the Niche and this deal for the DF64 is the price difference - which is substantial.
Whether that price difference is worth it is a personal decision - based on budget, personal needs, aesthetics etc.
I understand your bias here, as a niche owner having to justify its purchase price.
I merely pointed out engineering differences between two grinders and stated why I decided one way over the other.
They’re definitely two very different grinders.
I bought a DF64 Gen 2 a couple of weeks ago for a bit more. I might lodge a price drop claim with my credit card company seeing as though it’s even cheaper 2 weeks later, may as well use the perks of the card that are available to me. It’s a great grinder, I have used it every day accept for today over the last 12 days since taking delivery. However don’t count out the Breville Smart Grinder pro if the DF64 Gen 2 is out of your price range, earlier this week I made 3 lattes on a day I was working from home, 2 with the DF64 Gen 2 and 1 with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro, and the coffee made from the BSGP grind was still really good.
You've already made a massive improvement by going to freshly ground coffee with anything but a blade grinder. If you're adding milk (masking coffee flavour), it's really all diminishing returns from there.
For coffee I don’t drink anything other than lattes and cappuccinos, I don’t drink coffee shots on their own. In fact the only person I know that drinks black coffee is my father.
Try to use you df64 for pour over. Get some nice quality light single origins and use it for that.. your gains over the sgp will imminently become apparent
@maverickjohn: I’m not interested in trying pour over. It’s almost like the majority of coffee connoisseurs don’t have jobs, or at least not jobs that average people have… Whatever I use has to maximise convenience and speed for use on a work day. Short of choosing instant, the breville dual boiler espresso machine and the breville smart grinder pro is just about as quick as the process gets if you want quality coffee when you are time poor before work rushing to get ready for work. Adding the DF64 Gen 2 grinder has slowed down the process due to having to weigh the beans first, and that’s as far as I’m willing to take it until I’m old and retired and can give more time to making coffee daily other than on the weekends.
@Cevolution: Bro do you work 24/7 lol.. I always make time for a nice pour over at least as a weekend coffee or something in the evening..
It is my little luxury.. don't dismiss it entirely. Even if it's not now but give it a crack some time.
But as mentioned in a post my espresso machine grinder is a hopper grinder also used for convenience
My pour over grinder is a comandante hand grinder… Costs almost the price of this machine
@maverickjohn: It’s not bro, it’s mate, you live in Australia. No I don’t work work 24/7, however I don’t drink coffee at 5pm when I get home from work or at anytime during the evening/night before bed.
That’s your little luxuries, not mine. I have other luxuries that I value far more, such as movies and home theatre, do you own a TV that had an RRP if $9500 and won the 2023 and 2024 Value Electronics TV shoot out event based on objective measurements and standards?
You can wake up as early as you want if you want to spend time organising a pour over in the mornings. Me I value my sleep… I wake up at 7am, leave at 8am, and am at the office at 8:30am on the days I don’t work from home, and I am not changing that routine (especially for doing a pour over like you are suggesting), except for on the days I want to go to the gym before work. On the weekend I drink probably a little too much whisky/whiskey the night before and can’t taste the coffee all that well in the morning anyway.
@Cevolution: Hobbyists when you tell them that they way they do things isn't applicable to the normal person 😡
@Cevolution: Lol chill, I'm not sure why you are so defensive.
I was actually suggesting ways to enjoy. If it's not for you, then it's not. I'm not putting a gun to your head.
If you got offended because I called you bro. Apologies. It's how I reach out to my close friends too. But clearly it upset you. I don't think there's a rule that we have to call each other mate here. I was born and raised in this country and have used mate/bro/buddy interchangeably.
@maverickjohn: OK cobber. You do realise that some people view the term buddy as offensive, it can be condescending and a form of talking down to someone?
I have no problem with you offering a suggestion, what I have a problem with is the common occurrence of people that aren’t really very knowledgeable presenting themselves as being knowledgeable, and offering suggestions when it wasn’t asked in the first place. Perhaps I should start telling you how you can improve your viewing experience with your TV, audio, and home theatre in general, which likely would start with you needing to buy higher quality gear, and I’m sure you probably wouldn’t appreciate being told this.
@Cevolution: I have a tray of these bottles and fill them with 18g of beans
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/aw/d/B077CZV8FB?psc=1&ref=ppx_p…
Maybe it will help you hasten the process?
But you can always get the fancy and more expensive coffee vaults with wooden tray
Milk can also be a blank canvas against which flavour notes can be enjoyed 😊
I'm not saying milk drinks are bad. But the fats and flavour of milk can mask a lot of the nuances that people chase with more expensive grinders/burrs. As I said, diminishing returns.
I don’t care about the unique flavour notes of coffee to that extent, I can still taste the coffee and the quality of it to a high degree by added milk. I don’t treat coffee quite the same as I do for say tasting the flavours of whisky/whiskey.
I’m also lactose intolerant and use high quality a2 lactose free full cream milk at home, and not the rubbish tasting long life in a cardboard carton lactose free milk that most Australian cafes/coffee shops use.
This is what i'm wondering, I'm using a BSGP with an ECM e61 machine and it makes good coffee, I really struggling to believe I'm actually going to be able to notice a difference with this grinder, let alone a $500 difference. I do notice some clumping with the SGP but stirring it with a WDT tool alleviates that
Is this better or equivalent to a fellow ode gen 2 for pour over only?
Depends on the burrs. The burrs will make it more expensive. Ode 2 is supposed to produce delicious coffee, buy good beans, treat your water and lock down other variables first - I don't think this would be an upgrade.
100%, I'm wondering if this will be a better buy than a fellow ode, don't mind swapping out burrs. I have a smart grinder pro but it's not cutting it for moccamaster and v60
From what i've heard/read, Fellow ode Gen 2 would be better for pour over only.
I've used the DF64 Gen 2 for filter and i have to say its a bit lacking. I think its far better for espresso than filter coffee.
Hodl
Why?
Five hundred bucks for ONE cup of coffee!!!!!
It's a single dose grinder, not single use.
And there is a $500 espresso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3McVYygGOY (£265 is about $515)
The title says "2 Single Dose Coffee" fool!!
Yes.
You have to throw it out after you've used it once.
It's the only way to be sure your next shot is truly fresh, pure, 100% single origin conflict free bean. Small price to pay for peace of mind.
ROFL. Agree
One born every minute. $500 for a coffee grinder…….hahahaha
I have a bridge i can sell them too.
Yaaaap. That’s why its called DF64. Makes you shout Da Fak!!! 64 times
Am I missing something here?
A DF64 Gen 2 Single Dose Coffee Grinder, perhaps?
Perhaps, but I am not sure my palate is refined enough for such a device.
Similarly, I've been tempted to buy a top-end set of headphones and a Sony Walkman Signature Series, but again, I think they'll be wasted on me.
Is this hand or electric? How much does it weigh? Is it small?
Its electric, don't know, define small.
Do you know if you get AU plugs?
This or the kmart coffee grinder?
What are you grinding ?
only the good stuff mate
Ok so seems like the next step upgrade over a breville smart grinder pro.
What is the next step upgrade over the Breville dual boiler for an espresso machine?
Aside from moding your BDB ive read a true upgrade would be the Linea Micra. Except the price tag is hard to justify for most.
You should keep the dual boiler, it is a great machine 🙂
I'm sure eventually it's going to die. And I'm going to struggle buying the exact same model machine 10 years later for more than I paid the first time.
Fair enough, if mine breaks I may also be looking at something else. But would be spending a lot more to get the same amount of features..
ITT (and every decent coffee grinder thread): people who drink instant and believe Moccona to be the pinnacle of coffee being astonished at a more than reasonable price for a real coffee grinder 😂
This doesn't even have a screen on it.
After watching reviews I'll still get the DF 54 at $449.00 and no shipping were I live and also save money. It's smaller size and weight will suit my needs as well.
Any comparison to the Baratza Encore ESP?
The code is also working of DF64V … just ordered one for $721
Got it in the Amazon deal, for those looking to upgrade it is well worth it at this price