The entry Nissan X-TRAIL ST grade is now $38,990 drive away nationally. It's a 2.5 Petrol FWD automatic, has a 5 star safety rating and overall is a solid mid-size SUV.
It's a saving of approx $2,300 (5%) off the previous price. Individual state savings can be found at this link.
Have you test-drive either of them? which one you like?
cx5 maxx is only 2.0 - and its getting EOL
i found it to be a lot smaller than the competition but then its under 1,5 ton - while others are over
when it comes down to it i prefer the size of the xtrail outlander and the 2.5 is better
cvt is what it is but its manageable… ie. service ever 75k and you're good to go
both have subpar warranty - when the koreans have 7yrs and mitsu has 10 yrs… 5 is kind of… bleh
If you buy via motor scot, 2.5 cx5 maxx sport could be about 39xxx driveaway which is better than cvt xtrail
Test drive them to see. I personally wouldn't go either as they're both pretty underpowered. You could go the e-power version which is much better, but it's also much, much more expensive.
The CX-5's have been popular for a long time, but several car review sites listed the new X-Trail as their Car of the Year. So if you can deal with the lower power, then either would likely be good.
But definitely take them both for a good test drive.
2.5 on the Xtrail is not underpowered.
It's all kind of relative, but I'm just going off the reviews which often say that it's underpowered.
Happy with our XUV700 7 seater for 36,990 drive away , thanks to ozbargain post 😂
Wow, never thought of really buying a car based on OzB
Which one is tht pls?
What in the world…how is that even a consideration?
Nissan is smooth and refined with great engine tech.
Genuine question, have you tried both of them or is it based on online reviews?
I am upgrading from a corolla , and Xuv700 appears to give a good value proposition.
But it’s a Mahindra.
@ilikeit: Recent Australian Reviews for the latest Mahindra XUV700 have scored it pretty high. CarExpert have scored 8.3 ( I think scores over 8 are considered very good).
https://www.carexpert.com.au/mahindra/xuv700
But bear in mind, it says ANCAP rating hasn't been released/ done yet.
@JackOfNoTrade: To be fair, take CarExpert 'Scores' with a grain of salt. They are tied to their advertisers and frankly don't have the stones to truly rate cars
@JackOfNoTrade: careful of buying first iteration cars in Australia. Some will have poor plastics, suspension etc not suitable for our conditions.
It's an awful car, that CVT transmission is absolutely terrible
2023 Nissan X-Trail: DCOTY 2023 – Best Medium SUV
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2023-nissan-x-trail-dcoty-2…
The X-Trail’s 2.5-litre petrol engine matched to a continuously variable transmission (CVT) also outshone the opposition, especially the CVT that proved quiet, intuitive and refined. Noted one judge, “the CVT Nissan used in this X-Trail is a very impressive one”.
The issue isn't refinement, it's reliability. Jatco CVTs in Nissans have a horrendous reputation for reliability and it's quite well earned, even if they improved over the years the damage the earlier ones in particular did to the image of both Nissan products and CVTs in general is incalculable.
I absolutely agree with you. The biggest blunder is Nissan has told consumers that it's a "Sealed for Life" transmission & many consumers simply don't service them. Not to mention CVT don't belong in very large cars, an X-Trail is the biggest vehicle I would put a CVT in (and that pushing it). Whoever, thought it was a great idea to put a CVT in the R52 Pathfinder & later model Maxima is a moron.
Sounds ideal for a 5 year novated lease. The transmission will be someone else’s problem 🤷
Eh, that's primarily when paired to the 3.5 L (I.e. R52/L33).
Really, the 2.5 ,especially in the X-trail, didn't have too many dramas that are out of the ordinary for a CVT (i.e. they're unlikely to do 3-400,000 km, but will likely get you well over 200k km). For most, that is reliable enough.
I would always recommend a conventional 6 speed, but in Japanese built 4 cylinder models, CVTs are not usually an issue (plus the QR25 is rock solid).
bs, had one and it was great for both driving and fuel economy. Sister has one as well, bullet proof.
reliability wise, they fixed their issues around 2012-2014, so stop parroting the same thing over and over
it's like the infamous Subaru head gasket that's fixed for over a decade and people continue to mention
Probabaly paid review (from Nissan)
It appears Drive works fairly closely with manufacturers to be a launch pad for their media releases and advertising news, and link through's to their dealers as an advertising platform… whilst it may not be a directly paid for review (as that should be noted on it), you don't see them writing too many overly critical pieces given they want the manufacturers cooperation on providing media releases, news and cars for reviews etc to their journos plus advertising on the site. That being said, they do still report on differences and provide ratings and awards like this one, so there may be something to take note of in the review. It is also interesting the 2023 "best" medium SUV only scores 7.4/10 yet they since gave the Tiguan 7.6, Qashqai 7.8 and Outlander and Sportage 7.9 after then so far this year (X-trail Ti 2024 got 7.8 too though)!
Not to mentions CVTs just take most of the enjoyment out of driving any car. Feels like driving an EV - soulless, but without any of the EV benefits
It's a bizarre adaption when you aren't used to it for the occasional test drive
Was about to type the same comment. Avoid if you can
still got 2013 T31 Xtrail, 130k on odometer. Most reliable car ever owned.
literally has xtronic cvt badge on the boot door
lol you guys can neg to the tits dont care. The car is boring AF however it has heaps of space and served me well moving stuff and etc. Not a single major problem.
Probably getting negged because one car is completely irrelevant when assessing if a model is good or not. If a car has a 10% chance of an engine exploding just out of warranty it's a terrible product, yet 90% of people can say they had no issues.
FWIW the rest of the xtrail is a pretty good product, but the CVT issues alone are enough to tarnish the entire thing for many people.
We have the T32 Xtrail and the CVT died at just 69k on the odometer, with light daily use. To their credit, Nissan replaced the CVT at their cost, no questions asked and great service (they obviously knew it's a design flaw). Otherwise, excellent reliability as you mentioned, after 7 years for us.
My experience will not deter me from purchasing another X-Trail or Nissan vehicle again. I think Nissan have learned their lesson already with class actions in various countries.
That's pretty good. I have a 2016 T32 currently at 65k, but feel it's too old now to be looked after by Nissan if mine dies.
Will be happy if I get another 8 years out of it. It's the perfect size for camping so have no intention on changing.
@Fish and Grits: I forgot to mention in my post that our one was replaced even though it was a year outside of warranty. We had a solid log book for maintenance and had about half of the services done via Nissan, so I think that put us in a good position. I was also ready to recite my consumer protections, since no CVT should fail with that low kms, and falls under 'reasonable expectation' of durability. But I didn't need to get hard ball with them since they replaced it for me without fuss. The only delay was waiting for their head office to approve it, which only took a about 4 working days, and then it was just a matter of waiting for the part to come in, which was about a week.
I know of at least 3 other T32 owners with much higher mileage on their X-Trail, but they seem to have escaped the dreaded CVT death. So I hope you're also one of the lucky ones as well.
A family member has a 2013 Dualis with the same mileage and it hasn't skipped a beat. I wonder how many people who are on the anti-CVT train have actually owned a car with a CVT in it.
I wonder how many people look at statistics and aggregate data rather than anecdotes. Jatco CVT's have an overwhelmingly poor reputation due to a higher than average failure rate
@Phesto: +1. Go to whirlpool Nissan forums and the thread about the pathfinder is full of shudder issues caused from the CVT. Some poor guy had his CVT replaced several times and ended up getting a refund.
Wifes 2020 Kia Seltos drives quite well for a CVT and was way better than the Qashqui she test drove at the same time even though it technically had more power than her Seltos.
@Phesto: Almost every car make/model has a known problem, does that mean we should go back to riding a horse? I'll just leave this here: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehi…
@yoba I’ve got the same, 2013 T31, the last of the T31 series. 2.5lt 4x4 CVT. No mechanical issues to date, plenty of power, lacks sound deadening (noisy acceleration), seats too soft. Good car.
Many years ago, my Nissan service manager told me Nissan switched to an American made CVT for the T32, which was problematic. That was the early T32, dunno if it’s still the case.
Nissan invented the cuv category with the Qashqai and has the worlds best selling SUV with platform sibling Xtrail. You have exaggerated the issue.
Nissan have leaped greatly with the cvt reliability of recent models and Nissan's engine tech is more reliable than even those of Toyota.
My thoughts exactly. Standard mob mentality.
The biggest flaw with the CVT, is Nissan don't schedule any service intervals with this CVT. According to Nissan, it's "Sealed for life". When in reality it should be serviced every 50,000km if you want them to last. However, most consumers don't service them as it isn't apart of the servicing schedule.
Correct. I service my transmission every 50k km. Its less than a hundy and i get a piece of mind
Arent you supposed to chsnge the filters?
@hothed: Yeah. Drain, flush with a few litres of transmission fluid. Replace filter. And seal.
About 15 min job
mine 2013 model still strong
Made in Japan?
Yep the X-TRAIL is built in Japan
Renault parts?
Renault and Nissan share engineering and platforms, what's your point? The X-Trail is Nissan-led (including the engine and CVT) and Renault borrows its platform for the Koleos.
@Techie4066: Renault engines are renowned for issues and are far from top of the class. The only Renault engines I would go near is the 2.3L turbo that is shared between the Navara and Master and even that has a rough idle and needs a tuned chip to drive properly.
Add CVT to the mix and it's an ugly combo
@Suspect420: I'm afraid your generalisation is wrong. The X-Trail's engine is the PR25DD which is an evolution of the QR25DE, which were created solely by Nissan and has only been deployed by Renault in the Koleos (an X-Trail underneath). It is not a Renault engine. At the same time, the CVT was spawned by Nissan via their subsidiary Jatco. Renault opts for DCT autos in Europe. There are so many different engines developed by Renault, Nissan, Renault Nissan together and even Renault in conjunction with Mercedes. That engine is the 1.3 turbo used in the Arkana, Captur, A-Class, B-Class, CLA, GLA, GLB and Qashqai. I'm yet to see one complaint about its reliability and I can say without reservation that it is refined and efficient.
This particular generation of X-trail shares its platform with the new Mitsubishi Outlander. The Koleos shared parts with the last gen X-Trail.
Not really. The engine is a mildly updated version of the ye old QR25DE which is an old but reliable Japanese Nissan design:
https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/20…
The CVT is made by Jatco, owned by Nissan/Renault and made in Japan. It's true they had big problems in the past, but they seem to have generally resolved these issues now.
OzCarBargain
I remember this was $31990 before COVID.
Its a good start.
you get a LOT more kit with this one than the outgoing $32k model
in safety alone you get a HEAP more
i think this is reasonably fair given how everything is a load of price inflated shit now
Your $31990 also was worth a lot more before govt Covid printers went BRRRR.
32k before covid is worth more than 39k now.
AUD/USD had a 15% better exchange rate before Covid. So now, converted to USD, it's basically the same price as pre-covid.
Except it is built in Japan and the Yen is 50% weaker than pre-covid.
I remember the entry level was below $30K
Exactly. Chip shortage was supposed reason plus war in Ukraine supply chain logistics etc for price hikes. Miraculously most manufacturers now have stock and prices negotiable to a degree. Nissan support is weak and their service costs eg for the QASHQAI are ludicrous. Dealer claims Renault motor is expensive to service. Absolutely laughable. Its another gouge for the good old Aussie suckers.
What the b*#p!
A non EV deal 🙀
yo, random guys catchup
Ok
This or Subaru Forester?
Forester is also made in Japan.
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everyone has their personal preference but i never liked the smaller size and couldnt be bothered with flat fours and 4wd when 99% of the times its on sealed roads
Toyota RAV4 is top of the list in term of reliability.
Yes, but it’s also at the top of the list in terms of pricing. For a solid, (mostly) reliable, rugged SUV, I’d be going the forester over the x-trail
RAV4 starts at like $46k lol
I would go Forester if you want to do light off-roading or beach driving. It has proven 4x4 system with X-drive mode, but I would recommend getting good All Terrain tyres though.
Having owned both an X-Trail and Forester, I'd say take both for a test drive as they are both good but have different strengths. The Forester is a little thirsty being all wheel drive all the time, but you get the safety that comes with that.
Outback, bigger
No, Outback longer. Forester higher. Forester slightly more ground clearance. Outback only current model available in turbo in OZ. I have friends who have the Outback after owning the Forester and the longer tail is a hassle. Both are great, but slightly different. Outback for the highways for me and the Forester for the offroad but both are great.
Forester. Larger, safer, more reliable, better tech
more reliable
Source?
Subaru, 20% owned by Toyota. Nissan, in bed with a French car maker Renault, because you know, excellent reputation for reliability in Euro cars….. The new Subaru Forester Hybrids will use the proven Toyota Hybrid drivetrain. Google Jatco transmissions.
This Aussie guy always has a bit to say. Puts Nissan in his worst carmaker category (and Subaru in the best).
Worst brands (for really bad to bad)
17:55 Jaguar and Land Rover
22:13 Fiat Chrysler Australia (incl Jeep, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Fiat)
24:51 Volvo
25:52 Ateco (incl LDV, Ram, Renault, Maserati)
28:52 Nissan
31:50 Mercedes Benz
34:30 Volkswagen (incl Audi, Skoda, Porsche, Cupra)
36:29 Isuzu Ute
38:40 Ford
44:00 BYD
44:45 Honda
45:00 Peugeot and Citroen
45:48 Polestar
46:10 Ssangyong
46:30 Suzuki
Recommended (from good to best).
47:05 BMW
47:48 Genesis
48:27 Hyundai
48:33 Kia
48:53 Lexus
49:25 Mazda
50:00 MG
50:34 Mini
51:13 Mitsubishi
51:35 Subaru
52:29 Toyota
@scratchy: And yet they were in the top 10 highest selling cars last month: https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-june-2024-soft-…
You guys need to watch some Redriven on YouTube rather than just asking OzBargainer's for thier opinions on this car VS that car.
Redriven
Are their videos any good?
I always scroll past because the thumbnails all have a guy making very 'punchable faces'.
they are actually ok for some basic filler knowledge and compared to other aust "talent" they arent bad at all
They are as good as youtube gets IMO. It's unfortunate that they have to resort to clickbait thumbnails but that's the reality of paying the bills online in 2024.
They obviously can't go as in depth on every single model as a real buyer would, as they don't have the luxury of time and only needing to research a limited selection of vehicles but they tend to hit the major points and provide both a good teeing off point for your own research and a time saver to eliminate cars that shouldn't be in your search.
On the plus side to the clickbait and advertising stuff, I do like that they clearly point out when they're advertising or plugging a product.
Honestly, I think they're one of the best car review sites you can get if you're looking for a second hand car.
Just had a look and I'd find it had to disagree with you.
Redriven is great, but they don't do new cars (with some slight exceptions). The channel is based around second hand cars and the problems you'll deal with. Not really relevant for new buys.
Redriven are a bit anti Forester. I've got a Forester with 200k on it and I've watched their video on the Forester and while I applaud them for being thorough with the potential issues, they didn't match with my experiences.
Probably doesn't matter to many, but no full size spare tyre is a deal breaker on these for me. They're not the only one dropping them in favour of the the space saver / temporary tyre (or worse), but outside the city, on long drives, or off-road, I'd rather peace of mind knowing I can drive at full speed. Having to change my plans and divert to a tyre repair place, all for a flat tyre, who may, or may not be open when I need them limits where I would take this car.
ive had this 'issue' in the past when i was working regional but its solved by visiting a few local wreckers and like buying a spare full sized wheel and lightly used tyre and then carrying it in the boot… with so many wreckers out there the price of common wheels and tyres isnt a big deal
i feel like people make things to be a big issue when its solveable with a little money
i'd put it like this… i've had flats in urban areas and i'm not changing tyres no more
i park it and get the car towed to a tyre place
why i am saving that towing fee? i'm not poor
I did consider addressing that point in my initial comment, but I left it out. You absolutely can do that, but for safety it shouldn't really be carried in the boot of this type of vehicle in case of an accident, as they can end up being projectiles. When packing it's also more of an inconvenience and gets in the way. Same goes with mounting it outside on the back, or on the roof. You absolutely can, or you can just buy another car and not worry. It's not a financial concern at all for me. I wouldn't think twice about spending extra on another model to get something that ticks more of the boxes. In metro, I'd probably still change it based on time and not having to wait. If it was faster and I had to pay, I might do that too though! Haha.. But better to have the full size spare for me, so I have choice. Outside of metro it could be the difference of being able to check into your accommodation in time, or missing out on half a day or more of holiday time, or missing out on a planned experience. Time is worth more than money to me.
This vs Cx5 maxx at $37.9k driveway ?