Doing 104kph in Right Lane but Blocking Traffic - What Do You Do?

Ok ok before you pass this off as another OzBargain traffic rant, hear me out. I turn to the holy wisdom of the OzBargain community for a specific dilemma in mind.

You're doing 104kph on the freeway in the right lane. The car on the left is doing the same speed as you. There are several cars behind this car. Suddenly you've got a car coming up behind you. It's going faster than you and slows down as it comes up your tail.

Here's the dilemma. Now I know that not everyone agrees, but a general whirlpool/ reddit consisus is normally, courtesy right lane etiquette begs its use as an overtaking lane - use it to pass then move back into the left. However, now, you're stuck doing the maximum speed without getting a ticket and you're holding up a car behind you.

What do you do? Speed up and pull left or sit tight in the right?

For argument's sake, let's say your reliance on your speed reading is Google Maps' navigation speedometre. Not your car's, which isn't gps inaccurate, but hey, that's subjective.

Poll Options expired

  • 751
    You speed up, over the speed limit, then pull left in front of the car on the left
  • 71
    You stay in your lane, cruising, whatever
  • 160
    You indicate left and hope to God someone gives you space to pull left
  • 30
    You brake check the dude behind you

Comments

    • -1

      ^^^^THIS!!! It's the law. Overtake on right and keep left unless you are overtaking. It's SUPER simple.

      • +2

        Don’t speed, it’s SUPER simple.

        • -1

          Don’t speed, it’s SUPER simple.

          Are you tell us you have never gone over the speed limit in your life?

  • +109

    Honestly, you are not a traffic cop and there are no hero points for enforcing the speed limit on other people. Let people who want to lead foot in the right lane take their own chances with the traffic police.

    What your poll fails to include is an important option, and one that is used far too rarely. If the guy in the left lane next to you is speed matching you, slow down and drop in behind them. It is not necessary to stay ahead of every other car on the road that you managed to get ahead of in some recent quirk of the traffic flow.

    Indicate left, nudge your foot a tiny bit off the accelerator, and then wait for someone behind you to create a gap to let you in.

    Then let the guy tailgating you overtake and return to the right lane if you think that the flow of traffic is otherwise moving too slow for you.

    Seriously, the car overtaking you is doing you a favour, since they're now acting as fly paper for the next cop on that road. Once they pass you snuggle in behind them in the comfortable knowledge that if there is a cop with a speed gun around the next corner lead foot guy is taking one for the team.

    • +3

      Yes, this is the safest method… I once tried to speed up to go past the car on the left and that car also sped up that i was going 110km/h (115km/h on speedometer). If there was a camera I would have been clocked.

      I'd rather slowdown before going to the left even though it might be bringing me closer to the massive truck tailgating me…

      This should also be a poll option @Zalur

      • +1

        If he was doing 110 why didn't you just slow down to speed limit for a few sec and then change to middle lane behind him/her?

        • Isn't that what I just said? I ended up slowing down to go to the middle lane?

          I went 105, car on left was 101.

          Mind you this was rush hour Monash Freeway.

          Then someone behind went faster, tailgating me. I tried to go faster, somehow car on left sped up to my speed as well.

          So, the tailgating car had to slowdown as well to let me move to the other lane.
          So, no other way than me slowing to go to the left and lead

          • @meong: oh yes my bad that is indeed what you said, it just read like common sense thing for OP to do

    • -1

      wait for someone behind you to create a gap to let you in.

      So to avoid inconveniencing the speeder you're inconveniencing someone who's doing the right thing sitting on the speed limit in the correct lane?

      I wanted to blame OP for getting themselves into the situation but it could easily happen if eg. Middle lane had a slow car doing 95 that the several cars were happy to sit behind, OP started passing, slow car moved left and the several cars all speed up to 104
      I don't know what I'm doing in that situation, probably speeding up a little more, depending on how tailgatey the speeder is

    • Good advice. That's what I would do, after about a minute of driving to see if I could naturally get infront of the other car in the left hand lane.

      Half the time these freaks are on meth, and if you don't get out of the way I worry that they'd try and use the shoulder to overtake you.

      My feeling is let them go, and with luck they crash, die, and their organs are harvested for use by someone a little more pleasant.

      • +1

        They are nuts. Last night I went through a two lane roundabout that becomes one lane not far after. There was a ute behind me where it became one lane and instead of just staying behind me they sped up and went half off the road to pass me. They were clearly not capable of rational thought. I was nearly at the speed limit already, but they went over it to pass then sat doing the speed limit (i.e. the same speed I was doing) ahead of me. I'd have slowed to let them pass if I'd known what they were going to do, but the way they did it there was nothing I could do except shake my head. We're just lucky they didn't take us both out, I had the kids in the car too. I prefer not to be around those who are clearly under the influence of something, so I'd have been happy to help them get as far away as possible.

  • +23

    Where is the most logical option? - i.e. to start slowing down carefully / slowly whilst doing so, when you have moved far enough back (relatively speaking) to be clearly intending to go behind the car at left, start indicating to tell everyone of the intention is to change lanes to move left behind it, then continue to slow and move over behind the car you were doing the same speed as …. then stay there.

    The right lane is for overtaking. You shouldn't have been there if you were doing the same speed as the driver beside you - Keep left unless overtaking.

    PS - Assume it is 100km/hr?

    • +2

      Because no car ever speeds up when you go for the overtake…

    • Your process is in the wrong order. Indicating is for letting people know your intentions and is the first thing you do. You don't slow down and then only indicate once everyone else has worked out by intuition what you're thinking, by then it's too late.

      Indicating before slowing down also sends a signal to the guy tailgating you that you're not being an arsehat by taking your foot off the accelerator, you're trying to get out of their way and they need to back off in order to let you do it. Signaling your intentions well in advance also means that you're less likely to trigger them into some kind of road rage, like sitting inches off your rear bumper and flashing their lights.

      It also gives the car traveling behind the car to your left more time to back off a bit to let you in.

      • I disagree and suggest you are misunderstanding the timing is all very fast - If you do as you say, and indicate when you are level with / beside the car without having started to back off seconds before (e.g. turning off cruise control or a light brake), then they will have a minor panic attack, think that you are about to change lanes into them, and/or are quite rude demanding to be let in, and what usually happens is they overcompensate whilst braking rapidly (and potentially cause an unsafe situation if there is other traffic) to let you in, in front of them.

        It is a subtle timing difference, it is critical to show a slowing immediately prior to the first indicator flash to ideally get back behind the driver's eye line with the side indicator on your car, so as to show them your intent is to go behind, not a demand to be let in front. As for the person behind, they'll work it out soon enough, this process all happens in seconds.

        This is one of those cases a bit like give way to the right that everyone follows on a roundabout because it works, even though it is not the actual rule - I have been living and driving from a regional location connected via multiple-lane highways for the past almost 25 years have learned and refined this process well.

        My intent to slow down is indicated by braking / slowing down.
        The purpose of the indicator is to signal an intent to change lanes.
        It will still flash for circa 5 seconds as the remainder of the slow down then lane change occurs.
        The key is being able to subtly indicate WHERE you intend to change lanes relative to the car in front instead of creating panic at 104 km/hr.

  • +65

    GTFO right lane if you'ren't overtaking

    The car on the left is doing the same speed as you

    should have either overtaken, which is why you would have been in right lane in the first place, or slow down a touch and drop behind

      • +4

        The right lane is for overtaking. If you're doing the same speed as the car beside you, you're not overtaking.

  • +24

    If you're not overtaking, get out of the right lane!

    It's also bad practice to drive next to someone or to close to someone(eg blind spots).

    If you're attempting an overtake and the other car speeds up, either put up with it or briefly exceed the speed limit to get past.

    • I would prefer not to speed for the sake of someone sitting up my arse. Indicate left and get outa there! …as you said ;)

  • If it were me, I would speed up and pull left. This is what I always do if I see someone speeding on the right lane behind me then I look for an opening on the left to let them zoom past

  • -6

    Is limit 100kmh?
    If so, you’re already breaking the law.

    • -4

      Your speedo is ~5% lower than actual speed, so if its showing 105, you're doing 100.
      This may vary depending on manufacturer, tyre tread, pressure.

      • When using Waze, the GPS calculated speed is pretty accurate (compared to the in-car speedometer).
        Have to assume that his reported speed (104kmh) is correct, unlike your assumption.
        So if OP was doing exactly 104kmh, he was breaking the law

        • +1

          I checked this at one of those speedo checks that they have on some highways. GPS was pretty much spot on, speedo 5% off @ 100km/h, which seems to be a pretty common value (anecdotally).

        • yeah but you dont get fined at 104 so who cares lol

    • +1

      So it's people like you who cannot and do not comprehend the giant signs that state "KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING" and just happily put along in the right hand lane because (profanity) everyone else, right.

      • -1

        No, I keep left unless overtaking.
        I do not "slipstream" in the tailgate of other road users, as you seem to, based on your username.

        • -1

          Well done, carry on.

  • +14

    You may have seen signs on the side of the road or in zones greater than 80kmh that read…

    Keep left unless overtaking.

    These are here for idiots that don't know the road rules or need reminders every so often.

    FFS just follow the road rules. Why is this even being debated?

    • +3

      Op just wants to know who if the other guy was wronger or if he him self is the wrongest…

      • Both are wrong. Other guy should make an effort to let OP into their lane.

        • +1

          Agreed.

          Im disappointed the wronger and wrongest didnt give the sarcasm away 😂

          • @El cheepo: Given your comment history I wasn't so sure so I played it safe 😉. Truckies scare me.

            • @MS Paint: Thankfully my driving isn’t as erratic as my comment history.

      • yes. the other guy is wronger.

        why is the second car in the left lane, tailgating the first car, so OP can not slow down slightly and pull in behind the first car?

  • +1

    The car on the left is doing the same speed as you. There are several cars behind this car.

    So, not only is there 1) nose-to-tail traffic in the left hand lane, 2) they're ALL speeding so there's no gap, and 3) they're all Lewis Hamiltons aggressively closing the door on your merge. Okay, sure, in this hypothetical situation that never happens, I can maybe see why a simple 'just merge left' is a puzzlement. Also, has this ever actually happened?

  • -6

    Every single driver in this scenario is a moron, especially you and the driver speeding up your tail.

    The only exception would be if there is an emergency vehicle involved, in which case anyone not legally operating an emergency vehicle in the scenario is a dangerous moron who has a good chance of one day causing unnecessary injury or loss of life on our roads.

  • +5

    Im speed limited to a tight 101kmph and can tell you right now the majority of the dipsticks that think they are doing “104kmph” are usually doing more like 94 and then get pissy when they get tail gated in the right lane.

    That been said and done…
    If traffic is heavy and theres no where to go in front of you i would ignore them.

    If you are the sole vehicle blocking the right lane and the path ahead is clear, get the hell out of the way.

    Its that simple.

    • +2

      I was going to ask if that was a GPS confirmed 104 or a speedo 104 in a modern car.

  • -3

    I'm doin 100 on the highway
    So if you do the speed limit
    Get the f outta my way

    • Can't believe 3 morons have never heard that song

  • +3

    Why were you in the right lane if you weren't overtaking? The scenario you described basically means you were in the wrong to start with.

    • +9

      ever noticed how 'some' drivers can't keep a constant speed? there is no back story to how this hypothetical situation arose but I find that often there will be some peanut that does 85/90 until presented with dual lanes and then decides to do 100/105 at which point I've already moved to the overtaking lane and now it looks like I'm hogging the right lane
      .

      • And most of the time, they're towing a caravan. I've seen them decide to speed up when being overtaken by trucks, too

  • If you're not passing then you shouldn't be using the right-most lane on the freeway. Let them go around you if they want to break the law.

  • +1

    You shouldn’t be driving in the right lane.

    • +9

      You shouldn’t be driving in the right lane. FTFY

    • +2

      Is that top secret code for Dan shouldn't be an AO recipient?

      • +1

        What I'd have to say about it is definitely AO !!!

  • +2

    If you can't overtake within your comfortable speed limit and at a reasonable time, then you're not really overtaking and shouldn't have gone on the right lane to begin wth.

  • +8

    if person on your left driving the same speed as you…. no point to be in the right lane, you are not faster anyway, moving back behind him won't make you slower.

    If that guy on your left is either inconsistent in speed, or slow, you would've overtaken him ages ago, not just besides him.

    You might be the type of driver I hate the most —- drive the same speed as the guy besides him and block the entire traffic.

  • +5

    Relax. Indicate left. Slow down not speed up. Jesus Christ. It's not rocket surgery.

  • Why worry about the speeding fine? They can also fine you for driving in the right lane unnecessarily.

  • Make an educated guess as to wether its better to slow a bit or speed up a bit and move left when possible. I will not beligerantly stay in thw right lane blocking a DH who wants to speed and tailgate. Its safer to let them get past.

    I find it very rare that if there's a line of cars in the left that theres noone else in the right lane in front of me or that the all the cars in the left are doing the same speed as me. Left lane will generally be slower so move left as soon as practical. I would normally be on cruise control and eventually pass the car beside me, or I'll be in a long line of cars in the right so there's no point trying to move left for one pushy DH.

  • -5

    Get out of the f'ing way!
    Why? Because you're only doing 97km/h.
    Assuming you're using the cars speedo and not a GPS as most people do.
    Your speedo is not accurate. Manufacturers make them read over to cover their arse.
    Right lane is for overtaking…not sitting next to each other.

  • +7

    the correct answer is to wait for the tailgaiter to get annoyed and go into the left lane to overtake you, then as soon as he overtakes you, you move into the left lane

    • +6

      The overtaking lane is not for matching the speed of others doing the speed limit.

      • +7

        It's also not for speeding, so if you're doing the speed limit in the right lane, there's no way for anyone to legally overtake you.

        Funny that the "keep left its the law!" people don't seem concerned about people breaking speeding laws.

        • Because other people breaking speeding laws is irrelevant to OP's question. They were breaking the law regardless of someone else speeding by entering the right lane without being there to overtake. OP can only be responsible for their own actions, not others.

          If OPs post was "I was doing 120 in a 100 zone and I got stuck in traffic" my response would be to chill out and slow down and they wouldn't have a problem, because it would be relevant.

          • +1

            @freefall101: Not sure I've ever seen someone pulled over for sitting at 100km/h on the freeway in the right hand lane when there is a car directly adjacent to them.

            Rules should be like triathlon cycling leg, when someone goes to overtake you, you don't speed up to match their speed, you maintain your speed and let them pass and pull in (leaving a safe gap). Then you can speed up to match the speed of the car in front (without tailgating them of course).

            • +1

              @Poolprouk: I don't remember that rule from my triathlon days.

              • @MS Paint: You must have been in the draft legal races mate ;-)

            • +2

              @Poolprouk: The only cases I've heard of with cops actually pulling anyone over is when they sat in the right lane with a cop behind them for multiple kms. It's a pretty rarely enforced rule from what I've seen. It's also clearly safer to stay in the right lane until it's safe to move back over to the left, but it seems like OP should never have been in the right lane to begin with.

              Totally agree that cars shouldn't speed up when they're being overtaken. Happens all the time and it's bloody annoying. I was once pulled over because I started overtaking a car (single lane each way, but dotted line) and the guy gunned it as I did so, so I had to brake and pull back in behind - cop pulled me over because he thought I was trying to race the other driver - I just wanted to overtake someone doing 20km/h under the speed limit.

              • @freefall101: That sucks. No dashcam footage to show the cops?

                • +1

                  @bobbified: Nah, this was at least a decade ago. He let me off anyway, because there wasn't actually a reason to pull me over and I explained it to him. Probably just wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk.

            • @Poolprouk: "Rules should be like triathlon cycling leg, when someone goes to overtake you, you don't speed up to match their speed, you maintain your speed and let them pass and pull in (leaving a safe gap)"
              It is

              https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/is-it-illegal-to-speed…
              .

        • +2

          You don't get to control whether others are obeying the laws or not. You can only choose to obey the laws yourself and as such "KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING". This doesn't excuse others speeding and likewise them speeding doesn't excuse you from obeying the keep left law.

          • -1

            @gromit: Just sit in the right to stop flogs trying to speed.

            • @Spootage: So effectively be a loser flog as well.

        • -2

          Speeding doesn't affect anyone else assuming you don't crash… hogging the right lane is annoying and dangerous for everyone around you.

          The speed nazis think they're the safest drivers in the world cause they eat up all the speed kills propaganda, but it's safer to move tf out of the way and let people pass than to have a stream of cars meters away from each other on a highway because someone thinks they'll die instantly if they go even 5 over.

        • Funny that the "keep left its the law!" people don't seem concerned about people breaking speeding laws.

          Every member of OZ Bargain has been guilty of speeding.

      • You're right. 99/100 I'm overtaking cars in the left lane that are doing 100 according to their speedo, which is closer to 95-96 actual speed.

    • +2

      Of course you would, because you're more important than everyone else aren't you flower? Why would the "keep left unless overtaking" apply to you, when you are quite happy to justify to yourself why it's OK to be the (profanity) that hold up everyone else.

      "Screw that buy behind me" i would wager applies to most common curtesy's we apply to others in a civilised society from your point of view. No doubt you also happily block everyone else in the car park waiting for that one spot to vacate rather than to keep moving until you actually find a spot already vacant.

      • -3

        If someone is leaving a car park I want then yes, I will happily sit there and wait, as would thousands of other people. Those behind me will just have to wait, as I do when I'm waiting behind someone waiting for a park.

        • -1

          As predicted and I'm not surprised.

          Selfishness and a general lack of regard for others has been on the rise for quite some time in this country now. Congratulations on being part of the cause.

          • -2

            @Slipstream: I'm not sure how waiting 1-2 minutes for someone to get in their car and leave a car park so I can use it equates to "selfishness and a general lack of regard for others". If it helps you sleep at night though then good for you.

            • -2

              @Morphio25: It doesn't surprise me at all that you wouldn't comprehend how keeping everyone behind you waiting for a couple of minutes for your own needs wouldn't be selfish. Especially when you could always just go to an unoccupied parking location and not hold up everyone behind you instead. I don't disagree that more and more people do this, as I've said society as a whole is becoming more and more selfish. It's a direct result of the social media and mass marketing era. Doesn't mean i think it's a good or healthy thing though. It's just an observation and something i will be instilling in my children not to be.

              I guess that's my whole point which you're actually proving perfectly with your replies. To you, you can't comprehend how that is being selfish, which is why you do it and why everyone else around you views you as selfish (apart from the other selfish people who do the same thing and use it to justify why they also act that way, just like you did in the above comment "as would thousands of other people")

              I fully expect absolutely none of this to sink in and ultimately conversing with you to be an exercise in futility. Fundamentally people like you are unable to objectively look at their actions and determine that they are in fact self serving only and non in consideration of others.

              • -2

                @Slipstream: Right so if I'm in a full car park driving round looking for a spot, you fully expect me to keep on driving until I can time it just perfectly that I can pull into a park the second someone pulls out of it? Can you even hear yourself?

                I am overall a pretty reasonable person and pretty selfless when it comes to everyday life, except for when there are idiots screaming up behind me in the right hand lane. At that point all bets are off and if I'm cruising past cars doing 5-6km/h less than me you can bet your bottom dollar I'm not moving over anytime soon.

  • +2

    indicate and get out of the overtaking lane.

    you're not the traffic police. If you're slowly overtaking the car next to you, ither speed up a tad and pull in front to change lanes or indicate the lane change and ease off so you slot in behind the car next to you.

    let the faster guy past - and then feel safe in the knowldge that they're picking up any revenue collectors with radar guns up in front of you.

  • +6

    I find this actually happens pretty regularly (but 100 as per GPS, not 104), because the car in the left lane was doing 90, then realised someone was passing them so sped up to match my speed. Easiest is to speed up and just pass them and I do it when I have a clear view there is no speed camera (could still be a cop car I missed). I prefer not to speed and sometimes they just keep matching your speed, but it's usually the most successful. Otherwise slow down and get in behind them which holds up the car behind you as well. Then when the car in front slows to 90 again try to pass again and go through the same thing. Some people are just useless at maintaining speed.

  • +4

    If someone is tail gating you at high speed, just get out of their way, they aren’t driving safely and all you can do is get them away from you.
    But if you are not over taking because you can’t go faster than the other cars, get out of the over taking lane.

  • +6

    Your options: slow to 100 and get behind that car doing 104, or speed up and overtake it. Just get out of the right lane.

    How did you find yourself in the right lane but not overtaking? (As stated, that's illegal in Qld at least, and not being a good social citizen everywhere.)
    But I know we have idiots that hate being overtaken. It wouldn't surprise me if that car was doing 95 until you started to go past. But your options are the same.

    • +5

      The law literally states “you must not drive in the right lane”, there are exceptions to that law but none of them are “traffic” (except when congested). It does include overtaking.

      • +1

        Unfortunately the right land has becomes idiots playground to go at whatever speed.

    • +1

      Your own link clearly states "congested traffic" which is not the case in OP's scenario

    • +4

      Lol… Well, this belongs in r/ConfidentlyIncorrect

      The right lane isn't some magical lane that's only for overtaking…

      Wellllll…. It kinda is for a majority of the time. The problem with your link is that it states "congested, u-turn, turning right, special lane or avoiding obstruction", of which absolutely none of these apply to OP's post.

      I just cruise in the right lane.

      Than you are committing an offence under the Road Rules legislation, unless you are doing one of the aforementioned "exemptions".

    • +3

      Notice all the down votes? That's society collectively letting you know you're actually an a-hole. I Doubt that it will sink in though, because a-holes like yourself almost never have the ability to objectively look at their own behaviour and find it anything other than perfectly acceptable.

    • +1

      Lol at the people who think it's illegal, clearly have no idea on the rules

      Think you missed this bit.

      On multi-lane roads, if the posted speed limit is 90km/h or more, or if the road has a ‘keep left unless overtaking’ sign, you must not drive in the right-hand lane unless you are:

      overtaking
      turning right
      making a U-turn
      avoiding an obstruction
      driving in congested traffic
      using a special purpose lane that you are allowed to be in.
      
  • -6

    Brake check. It’s your community service obligation

    • -1

      Hahaha

  • +6

    It’s more relaxing and safer to stop obsessing about doing the maximum possible speed. Sometime I get to do 100k (actual, GPS) and sometimes it’s a bit less. The less time spent in the right lane usually equals the least stressful drive. Radar cruise control can handle that very nicely. Have you ever noticed that the GPS estimated time to your destination rarely alters by more than 1 or 2 minutes regardless of whether you relax in the flow, or are hell bent on doing the max?

    • +3

      some people just cant hold a constant speed, up and down which has a knock on effect and gets worse if there is a lot of cars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rryu85BtALM

      • +2

        I don’t understand why so many people seem to not use cruise control on country roads. It baffles me when I overtake someone and then five minutes later they come speeding past me just to sit in front of me again when I’m on cruise the whole time, it’s so annoying.

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