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[Back Order] Raspberry Pi 5 4GB $63.23 & Free Shipping @ element14

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Seems like a good price for this (usually around $100), cheaper than a Pi 4

Now on Back Order (Eta August)

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  • +9

    Checking out was an ordeal but great price!

    So many projects waiting for me! Coming from pi3, so this one will be much more capable and I can throw new stuff at this and try dumb things like pi NAS haha

    Also feel free to list the projects you enjoyed doing on the pie here for my inspiration or anyone else that might be interested!

    Or even production level stuff that’s carrying your HomeLab for that matter!

    • +19

      Home Assistant, powerful home automation platform that’s free and open source. AdGuard Home, network level ad-blocking, also free and open source.

      • +3

        Does AdGuard act as your DNS server like PiHole?

        • +3

          Yep.

          • +1

            @Hargain Bunter: Any benefit to adguard as opposed to Pi-Hole?

            • +9

              @josh3003: I personally think Adguard's UI is much cleaner and polished. It's also written in Go as opposed to PHP if that means anything to you :)

              • @mbm: How often are you in your DNS Server/Filters UI?

                • @maxwellian: @maxwellian: Often when I first set it up to tinker, but now that I've got a handful of blocklists automatically refreshing, it's only to add a domain to the allowlist if the missus complains that one of her pages isn't loading :D maximum a couple of times a month at this rate. Hope this helps!

      • Have a HomeKit and pihole so alternative versions of those 😊

        Wondering if I should host my own dns now haha.

        • +2

          Pihole is DNS.

          • -2

            @jong: Not quite from my understanding. Pihole checks addresses for known ad servers and doesn’t pass them onto the actual dns server.

            If the dns isn’t replying to you with the correct adress, it isn’t a dns…

            Here is what a DNS is and pinhole does none of these (unlike unbound):
            The Domain Name System (DNS) is a hierarchical and distributed name service that provides a naming system for computers, services, and other resources in the Internet or other Internet Protocol (IP) networks. It associates various information with domain names (identification strings) assigned to each of the associated entities. Most prominently, it translates readily memorized domain names to the numerical IP addresses needed for locating and identifying computer services and devices with the underlying network protocols.[1] The Domain Name System has been an essential component of the functionality of the Internet since 1985.

            • +7

              @Larsson: From the Pi-hole page - "The Pi-hole® is a DNS sinkhole that protects your devices from unwanted content".

              I have Pi-hole on 2 x Pi Zero and have them configured as my Primary & Secondary DNS servers. The Pi-hole devices both run Unbound and point to the Root Servers. There are many levels of DNS.

            • +1

              @Larsson: Always worried something like PiHole would block Cashrewards and the like as "ad" websites.

              • +2

                @Jstrrrr: Yes potentially. Just use 5g when you need Cashrewards specifically and go back into wifi :)

              • +3

                @Jstrrrr: You can allow-list them. And build powerful RegEx filters etc.

                A fun PiHole project is to build one in Oracle's Cloud free-forever tier, accessible over VPN from your router.

            • +5

              @Larsson: Your understanding is wrong.

              Pihole runs a modified version of DNSMasq, which is a literal DNS server.

              That stuff you copied out of the Wikipedia? It does that.

              • +1

                @jong: Pi-Hole is basically an interposed DNS. It acts as a DNS for your local network to first review the IP being queried and drop it if the IP requested is on a block list, or otherwise pass it off to another DNS to then do the real DNS job of proving the IP for the address being requested.

                So in reality it goes DEVICE -> Pi-Hole -> External DNS (ISP, Google, Cloudflare, etc).

                You can then create your own DNS using unbound and keep ALL requests to your own network. Unbound can be run on the same device as PiHole. So it would then look like this; DEVICE -> Pi-Hole -> Unbound

                So it's all a bit more nuanced than saying Pi-Hole is a DNS. It isn't in the traditional sense yet it is in an interpretive sense.

                I know how dumb and academic and akcshually this sounds, but it was super interesting knowledge to me when i learned it and setup the system for myself. I had no real knowledge of DNS etc prior to jumping into it. Others might find it interesting too!

                • +1

                  @Snorkel2226:

                  So it's all a bit more nuanced than saying Pi-Hole is a DNS. It isn't in the traditional sense yet it is in an interpretive sense.

                  DNSMasq, and by extension PiHole/FTL, is literally a DNS server. It provides all of the functionality that a DNS server is supposed to. I've personally used DNSMasq to mirror all of a corporation's aliases, MX records, VOIP records etc. in a test lab - directly replacing the internet-facing BIND servers; and I've heard of people replacing the Windows DNS server in their testlab just for shiggles.

                  I did that with DNSMasq before PiHole even existed, and they haven't removed any functionality for their FTL fork.

                  I have to ask, and I'll bring in @Larsson as well, why would you argue about something you barely understand? Have you even read the manual? Have you set one up, and looked at the config pages? Did you wonder why it's got a "Local DNS" node in the config menu, and why references /etc/dnsmasq.d/? Did you read the DNSMasq documentation I linked to?

                  • +1

                    @jong: My commentary is based on the typical user experience; From the guides i read, they all indicated making your router point to PiHole as the routers DNS server, but within PiHole they were setup to use Cloud Flare or Google for the upstream DNS lookup after checking against the block lists.

                    I'll admit my knowledge of DNSMasq itself is non-existent, and I wasn't aware that PiHole had a DNS cache. That being said, I understand that PiHole still needs to consult an upstream DNS in order to cache that IP address.

                    I understand Unbound is a recursive DNS, so it develops it's cache using root servers and hence it isn't as easily open to attack like using someone elses DNS to develop your cache.

                    Or, is PiHole capable of using root servers to establish it's cache too? If it is, that's cool and seems completely weird as to why Unbound is a recommended option to incorporate it (and weirder as to why a guide to setting it up is included in the PiHole documents)

                    • +1

                      @Snorkel2226:

                      My commentary is based on the typical user experience…

                      Which is fine, but then you start proclaiming like you know what you're on about - for example:

                      Pi-Hole is basically an interposed DNS.

                      …and that's bad, because there's a risk other people will listen to you, and end up just as wrong as you are.

                      Or, is PiHole capable of using root servers to establish it's cache too?

                      Yes, you can point it to whatever DNS servers you like, buuuut…

                      If it is, that's cool and seems completely weird as to why Unbound is a recommended option…

                      I'm not sure it is, but if it is, then it's because UnBound does DNS-over-TLS, which stops unscrupulous ISPs interfering with DNS requests. That's not a problem in Australia.

                      …and nobody other than ISPs should be hitting the root DNS servers. The whole point of DNS - the .com domain, the .edu domain, the .au domain - is to avoid overloading the root DNS servers, the single point of failure for the whole thing. Your ISP hits the root servers for requests, caches them, and then takes the load off them for future requests.

                      Unbound users are just looking at the whole DNS system, admiring it, and then setting their gear up to apply unnecessary pressure to the weakest point for absolutely no benefit to them or anyone else.

                      Don't be that guy.

                  • +3

                    @jong: Btw, thanks for the akschually my ackshually. I always appreciated sharing of knowledge. As you can tell, mine is very high level and not in-depth, so in-depth explanations are always appreciated.

      • +1

        This is probably a silly question and I suspect I know the answer to this but adguard acts like pihole and doesn't block YouTube ads, does it?

        • +2

          Not a silly question, but YouTube ads are served from the same place as the videos so DNS-based blocking such as these won’t work. It needs to be something that can rewrite the page contents somehow.

          • @akerr: I thought that night he the case but don't know enough about things to know for sure! Thanks for the answer - unfortunately for now I'll just stick to ads

          • +1

            @akerr: Use Adblock plus in chrome browser extension.

            There is an additional configuration, that makes it skip ads at 100x speed. So technically the ad's do come up or comes up for a split second then moves on.

            Youtube is cracking down on this stuff, so its a game of cat and mouse. I have had the above thing working for months now, since last time they cracked down on it and made it harder.

            Put this in the manually edit your filters section:

            youtube.com##.ytd-enforcement-message-view-model
            @@||cashrewards.com.au/*^$document

            Let me know if it works :).

            • @slam: You might be replying to the wrong person. I use Vinegar with Safari on macOS and iOS. Works great - supports picture-in-picture too. I was explaining why DNS block doesn’t work with YouTube.

        • +3

          You can block YT ads using uBlock Origin on a browser, otherwise a YT premium is generally an easy way to not see ads.
          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/product/youtube-premium

          • @h4lcyon: I have an ad blocker on my computer, but the issue is our phones and TV. It could be done, but it's not designed for it and it loses some small qol features that make it a bit annoying.

            As for premium, while the ads are there, it's not enough incentive for us to pay YouTube for it, especially if they increase the price or make the premium service worse, so despite everything we'll just stick to the official YouTube apps and watch things with ads

            • @Opaquer: Fair enough, for me ads are annoying.

              1. I don't want to waste my life watching ads for things I don't care about
              2. I don't want my family/kids watching ads for things they don't need, I we don't need to buy for them
                (OZB does a good enough job of that :D)
              3. I'll happily pay ~$3-5 a month, in exchange for less time watching ads.

              4. Ads -> https://media1.tenor.com/images/e2719f16e4d4c6ab1ebb7f3f8c2e…

            • @Opaquer: If you have an android phone, look into ReVanced.

              • +1

                @xhanatos: Revanced doesn't work for me for some reason. I had it for a while and everything was fine, then one day it just gave me an error when logging into my main account. I have other google accounts that all worked, but my main one didn't for some reason. No one could figure out why, so I had to stop using it unfortunately. It was a while ago - maybe I'll give it another shot and see if it's working again, because that would be great

        • +1

          You can easily block YT ads with Brave browser.

          • @MEDBEDb: The problem isn't my computer - I've got adblock for that which is working well. The problem is my Android phone, my wife's ios phone and our TV. Also using a browser to watch YouTube on mobile is iffy at best - some nice to have features are missing in the app which makes it annoying to use.

            As for the TV, we haven't found a way to do it that we like. We tried SmartTube for a bit but the interface was iffy, and we feltike the recommendations we were getting were not only different, but also repeats of what we had seen, or that it wouldn't refresh as often as the TV app, so despite the ads, we've gone back to the official YouTube apps

            • +2

              @Opaquer: Android phone should have an option for private DNS. Set the 'private DNS provider hostname' to dns.adguard.com. Sorts the ads right out.

      • +3

        Agree with Home Assistant! Lots of fun if you can be bothered to mess around with it.

        One day I’d love to build a whole house with ZigBee everything 🤓

        • +1

          I wish we had better access to cheap zigbee sensors here without having to order it online! I'd love to be able to get my hands on all sorts of sensors and would love not having to wait weeks for it to arrive!

          • +3

            @Opaquer: My Zigbee Dongle is $12 and I got couple of cheap sensors, both are from Aliexpress, Lights are from IKEA $15

            • +1

              @bazingaa: Yeah, I've been getting sensors from Aliexpress too but the wait times are annoying, especially when I want to play with things now! I might just be impatient though. We ended up getting Shelly relays in our lights so don't need any more lights, so now all I need are more sensors to play with, since I've only got a few door and temp/humidity sensors.

              That said, ESPhome has been really fun to play with too, and is so cheap. I'm not very good at it, but I've made an IR blaster/receiver and that has been a ton of fun! It's a sensibo/broadlink clone to use for my air con and cost me $6. HA is amazing in that regard, that's for sure!

      • -1

        Is there a way in Adguard to "allow" some adverts and not all ?

        I ask this counter-intuitive question because I prefer adverts,
        even though they consume bandwidth, but I know those adverts "pay"
        for some of the free browsing that I do,
        and also the hostmaster can get a cut from the advertising (eg. OzB ! )

        Otherwise, if I don't allow advertisers to know they've "won", then I fear the day
        when adverts will be even more pervasive and hidden as text and blended in as text.
        (eg. Youtube adverts becoming part of video content but YT don't like anyone using Sponsorblock either )

        Adverts don't influence my personal decisions nor do I find myself impulsively buying anything anyway, haha
        I'm immune to it, I'd like to think.

        • +1

          Yes, you can whitelist individual domains (as well as setting up more complex rules) or subscribe to public allow lists.

          I also used to think I was immune to advertising, but it does seep in at an unconscious level.

      • Does it affect cashback tracking?

        • +1

          Yes. I haven’t tested it, but cashback vendors recommend disabling your blocker while you’re using their services. AdGuard Home has a feature to temporarily disable blocking for 30 seconds, 1 minute, 10 minutes, 1 hour, or until tomorrow. Or you can manually just turn it off and on.

        • yes

    • +6

      Home Assistant on a Pi 4, Pihole on a Pi Zero, and I've just put Octoprint on a Pi 4.

      While I understand I could host all of these as VMs/Dockers on my UnRaid server, there's something to be said for independent servers that won't go down if my UnRaid HBA throws a tantrum.

      • +3

        I was going to put OPNSense on my unraid box since it has two NICs on the mobo, but decided against and bought a dedicated mini PC from AliExpress.

    • +3

      I have a pi 4b running as a carputer. It serves as my my all-in-one stereo, GPS, obd, YouTube, media, reverse camera, etc.

      Got it mostly configured (until I mess around with it and stuff it up) & it does the job quite nicely.

      • +1

        God. I remember carputers from decades ago, people using low powered mini/nano/pico-itx boards (i still have a VIA EPIA board somewhere with a VIA cpu running at 500mhz) and the like.

        Considerably easier now with the likes of RPI and smartphones.

      • +1

        Had been using my Pi4 with open auto pro to enable android auto in a car that doesn't have it. More of a fun project than a practical AA replacement.

        • +1

          I agree but it does work. Sure I had to buy a carpi hat in order to interface everything, as well as a class d amp & a 7" touchscreen (which is soon going to be changed out for an 11" or 13") but sheer stubbornness got mine working.

          • @CarlosSpicywein3r: Indeed. Don't think I was too far off the cost of a head unit with AA built in by the time I was done (especially after including the time taken), but it was fun to try nonetheless.

            • @niknikniknik: Oh I know I've spent WAY more than what an AA head unit would have cost me as my carputer setup haa directly replaced my previous AA unit.

    • I thought about doing the NAS but getting the HAT and other components seemed to be harder to get to Australia, and it ended up being more expensive as a result.

    • +5
    • doesn't it make more sense to just virtualise everything?

      get yourself a much beefier ryzen u5800 or something and use it for your router, nas, pihole, webserver

      hell you could even pass through your gpu and hdmi port and use it as a media player as well as media server

      even desktops if you really wanted too

    • +1

      I don't think anyone has mentioned Dakboard yet. I run a pi 3 on an old computer monitor in the kitchen, for calendars, weather, to-do lists, travel times etc.

  • Thanks got one.

  • +6

    Price way down! Has supply finally caught up with the demand and we'll see reasonable prices again?

    • +1

      I will go for it if the 8gb model goes down to 100.

  • +3

    Great price, bought pi4 for $110 a year ago.

    • -1

      Ouch… did you hand in your OzB card!?

      • +2

        Actually it's more than a year , and it was a deal. So not yet

  • +29

    Thanks OP!
    Amazingly, the 8GB model is $100 more (they must be using Apple RAM).

    • Should I get the 8GB? Thinking to get one to build a Pi KVM, any suggestions would be appreciated.

      • +3

        You definitely don’t need 8gb for pikvm. Very few things do. Even 2gb is more than fine. It doesn’t need to do much.

        Last I saw, pikvm was working on pi3 and pi 4 but not on the 5 yet.

    • +2

      The rpi4 4gb also costs $20 more - pricing error perhaps?

  • +4

    Still have no idea what to do with a raspberry pi so I never bought one.
    Anyone feel free to comment on things you’d recommend to do with one.

    • +7

      I use one for Home Assistant and another one for Pi Hole

      • +1

        Have any issues with bugs for Pi Hole?
        I normally use browser extensions and root my TV’s to block ads.
        Home assistant, I’d need more research.

        Can you containerise these and run multiple items on the same raspberry pi? Or does that go against the spirit of this?

        • +2

          You can run Home Assistant in a container, but the developers recommend installing Home Assistant Operating System (HAOS). You can then run other services like Pi Hole as “Add-ons”, which are just containers on top of HAOS.

        • You can definitely run multiple items on a pi. Got a 4, and use it as a pihole and sftp server with local hdds. Is stable and does the job.

        • +2

          Regarding Pi hole. Its is such install and forget kind of solution. When set as DNS server for home network, it just works magically, updates itself regularly and I haven't found any issues.

          My biggest gripe with pihole is that google tracking in google search results ads is disabled. I could not be bothered to fix it and just use my data connection to open that link.

      • wouldn't it make more sense to virtualise both on a dedicated machine, plus anything else you need

        not sure why pihole is still so popular, the model is broken thanks to youtube pushing adds via their own url and others following

    • +9

      Don't buy one.

    • +2

      Homebridge, if you’ve a HomeKit setup

      • Sounds good

        • Finally got round to setting mine up just recently.

          Very basic technical skills required - some good guides on youtube, the whole setup procedure was pretty painless.

          Not sure if this is a good idea but I'm using the cardboard box the Pi came in as its home (I've cut holes for the cables to come out)

    • +1

      Pi is good for "always on" low power server tasks. Home automation, DNS filtering, other simple applications.
      It doesn't do anything a cheap ex-lease computer doesn't do, but it is geared towards newbies and education, so generally there are really good tutorials and guides. This is made easier because the pi hardware is all the same, so you don't have to account for a weird graphics card or wifi chip or similar.

      If messing around with computers under the hood sounds appealing, it is a great place to start.
      If you are already a nerd, or have no interest in diy making things, pi probably isn't for you.

      • +1

        Pi is good only if there's no other machine lying around. The power usage isn't that far better than a laptop. I'm using an old 2016 Inspiron 1.6Ghz N3710 for home automation, Jellyfin, etc. It sits idles at around 3.3W (~$8/yr) and max 8.7W, but has at least twice the CPU power as a RPI 5. An extra 1.8W when there's an USB hard disk attached.

    • +5

      I’ve got

      • pi4 4gb running home assistant (home automation), AdGuard plus (network-level ad blocking) and Tailscale (VPN/remote access and can route traffic to the internet from my phone or laptop through my home network when I’m out and about and potentially using dodgy wifi).

      • another pi4 4gb running mainsail OS and klipper for my 3d printer.

      • pi4 8gb running retropie for retro games console emulation.

      • a pi zero 2w hooked up to a thermal camera module running some crappy code I hacked together. This was just to see if I could put something together cheaply to spot draughts in my house so I can improve the weatherproofing.

    • I bought one, fiddled around with it, used it as a media player then sold it.

      If anyone is selling completed versions of projects im all ears

  • +3

    Placed an order for delivery to NZ, $0.00 delivery charge. Is delivery to NZ really free or they’ll cancel the order?

    • +4

      It said free delivery over $50. AUD and NZD same.

    • +5

      It's free, but I can understand you're used to getting ripped off in NZ (even more so than AUS).

    • add a fan and a psu

  • finally these mob come back to reality

    • +13

      there goes gravity

      • OOP there goes rabbit

      • +4

        Mom's Pi-getti

  • +2

    Do i really need one? Very good price but have no use case yet

  • +2

    Surprisingly good price? This would be the yet unreleased 1GB pi5 pricing. Be aware it has hefty official power supply requirements - 5 Amps at 5volt (25W) but should run on a 3amp supply

    • They mention in the documentation that the 5A is so that you can supply 1.5A power from the USB, so depends on use case.

  • +1

    Pi’s are still useful for having a decent ARM computer that can also interact with serial and industrial devices.

  • I would love a computer module five and an IO board

  • -1

    AYOOOOOOOO WALTER WHITE CHECKING IN

  • +1

    Out of curiosity, How often do people have to mess around with their HomeKit and pihole?

    Just not 100% keen to add to my list of things to support something monthly/ increase my attack surface etc.

    • TLDR for pi-hole: I don't think it has to be a time sink, but if you wanted to you could make it one.

      I don't know about homekit, but pi-hole can be quite close to 'set and forget' if you don't have a whole bundle of new devices appearing all the time, or if you don't really care to look at the dashboard and in that have all the DNS requests marked with the client name you've assigned (they will quite often be listed with their IP address if you haven't done that).
      Assuming also that you don't want to treat every device differently, and you can set just one or a few different ways devices should be handled. with one being the default. I have a different group for young children, that applies a 'pron' filter. I trust other people in the household to be able to make up their own mind about this sort of thing. (and I know that this filter is not going to be perfect, but it is better than nothing)

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