Honda Discontinuing Petrol Variant of HRV and Civic

swiggity123 on 18/04/2024 - 17:35
Last edited 19/04/2024 - 10:34 by 1 other user

Was looking at getting the petrol variant of the Honda HRV.

Called the dealer and he kept mentioning last remaining stock…I simply assumed he was referring to last years models. But no - apparently Honda has stopped shipping over the Petrol variants of the HRV and Civic.

Asked him why and he said it’s something to do with Auto companies reducing their average emissions - and easiest way for Honda to do that is stop selling the Petrol variants of their two smallest cars.

Interesting - don’t know if more companies will start doing this. I’m a bit questioning if it’s still worth getting the petrol variant. Would parts be harder to get? They barely sold any HRV Petrol variants.

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Comments

  • kerfuffle on 18/04/2024 - 17:43
    +6

    The petrol Civic isn't worth the money. That's why unlike the hybrid Civic there isn't a wait list for it.

    Toyota have already started doing the same; the Yaris and Corolla hatch (not sedan) only come in hybrid as of last month and I believe the same will be for the Camry from 2025

    • SBOB on 18/04/2024 - 18:08
      +5

      The petrol Civic isn't worth the money

      Yep, op should be thanking Honda for preventing him from making a mistake

      • Sxio on 20/04/2024 - 16:10
        +2

        Why is it a mistake? I have a 2020 Civic and fricking looooooove it. It's been great for me so far. No plans to sell any time.

        • Chookt on 25/04/2024 - 19:38
          +1

          I have a 2005 civic and still going good except for the aircon

    • LFO on 19/04/2024 - 10:14
      -3

      … petrol Civic isn't worth the money… … unlike the hybrid Civic …

      Remember the hybrid Civic also has a petrol engine (ICE) inside.

      Paying for a petrol engine and an electric one.

      Perennially carrying the load/weight of a petrol engine and also an electric one.

      • Analytical Therapist on 19/04/2024 - 20:38

        *Petrol Generator

      • Wort on 20/04/2024 - 09:40

        Works for trains as well as cars, but i guess big train had it pretty good selling two engines in the 70yr of diesel electrics lol. More to it then just weight, if the car is fully electric traction with ice generator then the transmission is much simpler (and lighter, a proper auto transmission is 100s of kg). Not to mention the ability to regenative brake and top up a small battery from the grid.

      • Hackney on 21/04/2024 - 15:57
        +1

        @LFO,time you actually did some research on Honda’s Hybrid system, yes it is very, very good.

        • LFO on 21/04/2024 - 20:07
          -1

          Very good it might be. Perhaps.

          But still uses fuel, carries a petrol engine that needs prehistoric servicing and also has electrical drivetrain.

          Research done.

          There is far better out there.

          • Hackney on 22/04/2024 - 05:31

            @LFO: Funny isn’t, Hybrids are actually outselling BEV by a huge margin.Again, you really have no idea.EVs are not the saviour everyone thought, are they?

            • LFO on 22/04/2024 - 13:36

              @Hackney: I beg your pardon????

              I am stating the hybrid uses fuel (petrol), has an ICE and also an electric drivetrain.

              I'm neither selling/buying EVs nor ICEs. Why the agro?

              • Hackney on 22/04/2024 - 17:19

                @LFO: And your problem with Hybrid using petrol or an electric drivetrain?They are still extremely frugal on fuel. ‘Prehistoric servicing? Gee, give me a break.

                • LFO on 23/04/2024 - 18:54

                  @Hackney: To make it short: are you a fan or an enthusiast of hybrids?

                  If affirmative will explain you comments.

                  Otherwise please let me know.

  • AustriaBargain on 18/04/2024 - 17:44
    +2

    Good. Their two cheapest cars should be more fuel efficient. Petrol prices are getting kind nuts.

      • AustriaBargain on 18/04/2024 - 17:52
        -7

        People always rushing about. Waiting for a charge is a good excuse to read a book and relax.

        • Murkymerv on 18/04/2024 - 17:53
          +2

          Tell that to people trying to run a business

          • AustriaBargain on 18/04/2024 - 18:00
            +5

            @Murkymerv: They need the most breaks, business owners are the most stressed.

              • jv on 18/04/2024 - 18:20
                +11

                @Murkymerv:

                you won't do that with windmills and solar panels .

                Especially at night time when there is no wind blowing…

                • Murkymerv on 18/04/2024 - 19:05

                  @jv: JV , "you've done it again".
                  Good point .

                • Iwantthebestprice on 19/04/2024 - 01:21
                  +3

                  @jv: Especially at night time when there is no sun shining…

                • LFO on 19/04/2024 - 10:17

                  @jv:

                  Especially at night time when there is no wind blowing…

                  Just read on an IEEE news: there are solar panels (experimental so far) that perform at night. Minimally but they do produce energy from the deep cold of the night sky.

                  No such luck with windmills …

                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 10:29

                    @LFO:

                    Just read on an IEEE news:

                    Look at the date of that article… (1st April)

                    • LFO on 19/04/2024 - 17:17
                      +1

                      @jv: Nah … it was november 2023 …

                      Just to educate: https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy-from-cold

                      Generating Power on Earth From the Coldness of Deep Space

                      We can hack thermodynamics to cool buildings and light up the night

                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:23

                        @LFO:

                        Just to educate: https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy-from-cold

                        Just to educate, that is not "solar power" as per your comment 😄

                        "there are solar panels (experimental so far) that perform at night."

                        • LFO on 19/04/2024 - 17:32
                          -1

                          @jv: The term "solar power" is used wildly everywhere and by everyone.

                          Besides, the point was to refute a childish 1st April motto …

                          Moral of this exchange: you did not know and I did know.
                          Made Ya Look Ya Dirty Chook!

                • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 12:59

                  @jv: This is where it’s all heading.

                  https://www.rethinkx.com/energy

                  The combination of solar, wind and battery will easily cover energy needs, and give lots of excess generation for other uses like desalination, hydrogen production etc.

                  SA is gearing up for this now…

                  Fossil energy was great! Vale Fossil energy…..

                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 13:06

                    @saltypete:

                    The combination of solar, wind and battery will easily cover energy needs

                    Depends on how much the batteries cost…

                    At the moment, the business case doesn't stack up…

                    • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 13:20
                      +1

                      @jv: At the moment……
                      At the moment there are a lot of economic factors that are changing very rapidly including battery and solar panel costs.
                      If you look at the background info, solar panels are quickly reaching the point that they are a cost effective construction material. Even vertically placed panels are starting to be used for fencing. (They look a bit ugly to me..)
                      And we’re not talking decades here either - the next 5 years are going to be quite interesting.

                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 13:21

                        @saltypete:

                        At the moment there are a lot of economic factors that are changing very rapidly including battery and solar panel costs.

                        Will wait until there is a clear and tangible economic benefit to switch…

                        • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 13:33

                          @jv: In terms of EV, I think that is pretty reasonable. Never change a vehicle unless you need to. And long distance towing etc is not an EV strength ATM either. Waiting is good for V2G. This is going to be a big deal in OZ as it gives a power company access to low cost batteries for peak usage.
                          I only bought because it was time to change over and I wanted modern safety in my car.

                          • jv on 19/04/2024 - 13:48
                            -4

                            @saltypete:

                            And long distance towing etc is not an EV strength ATM either.

                            Also the ongoing cost of charging and replacing the batteries.

                            At the moment, there is no strong business case to switch to EV unless you are doing it for ideological reasons.

                            • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 14:42

                              @jv: EV batteries are looking like lasting a long time, (Apart from early, non cooled Leafs etc). They are comparable with the life of a Petrol or modern diesel engine and/or transmission. When they degrade, they display a lower range, but their actual reliability is unchanged. An old engine or transmission starts to be unreliable after a while. We’ve all had something disassemble spontaneously and inconveniently over the years. 😩
                              Batteries are going down in price, engine repairs/replacement costs are not.
                              By the time my EV battery starts to look like needing replacement in 15 years or so I’m much more confident managing reliability and cost than rebuilding/replacing a Camry engine or tranny….. My replacement battery will also likely be cheaper, higher energy density and/lighter than my current one.
                              If you need to replace your current car in say, 2-3 years - would you really even consider a sensibly priced ICE? I suggest not.

                              • jv on 19/04/2024 - 14:44
                                -1

                                @saltypete:

                                EV batteries are looking like lasting a long time

                                Speculation… Depends what you read.

                                • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 14:56

                                  @jv: You are correct by definition. Until we have 15 years of stats we can’t ‘know’. (My battery has an 8 year degradation warranty, so I think 15 years is about right.)
                                  You also can’t know what your super is going to do, but you make a judgement and make choices that make sense to you.
                                  With only time to tell, I’d be genuinely interested to know your choice when you next change your car if either of us can remember this conversation. 🙂

                                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 15:15

                                    @saltypete:

                                    You are correct by definition. Until we have 15 years of stats we can’t ‘know’. (My battery has an 8 year degradation warranty, so I think 15 years is about right.)

                                    It may not be worth keeping the car after 10-15 years if it needs all the batteries replaced.
                                    Some people have had quotes close to $30K.

                                    • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:19

                                      @jv: If your intenal combustion engine dies at 10-15yo it also may not be worth keeping.

                                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 15:19
                                        -2

                                        @Euphemistic:

                                        If your intenal combustion engine dies at 10-15yo it also may not be worth keeping.

                                        I can get a refurb for $1K-$2K

                                        • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 17:50

                                          @jv: You’re very optimistic, or have a relationship of dubious morality with your mechanic.
                                          Assuming the OzB Camry, and dealer prices you would have to be spending $10k ish.
                                          If you’re talking mates rates and secondhand, plenty of battery refurbs around much less that the new fitted Tesla price too.
                                          It all gets very wobbly if you compare apples to oranges.

                                    • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 17:04

                                      @jv: Some people. Some people quoted $40k for a re-engine. Have you started using a horse?
                                      The good thing about EVs is that they record lots of data about use. When it comes to warranty there’s less bs on both sides. Unlike the usual car dealer picking over service records.
                                      If my battery degrades more than a certain percent over a fixed warranty period it gets replaced - cost at $17k ish is no laughing matter. But there’s no opportunity to weasel out. And in the meantime it still runs fine.
                                      If the tranny on my previous went it is $16k and a ton of bs to sort warranty. Engine climbing to the mid to high $20ks if that goes ‘clunk’.

                                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:05
                                        -1

                                        @saltypete:

                                        Have you started using a horse?

                                        No, too many animal activists trying to deflate it's hooves…

                                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:05
                                        -2

                                        @saltypete:

                                        If my battery degrades more than a certain percent over a fixed warranty period it gets replaced

                                        you said that the batteries are only covered for 8 years though…

                                        Most articles I've read estimate the car's battery packs on average will need replacing at 10-15 years.

                                        • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 17:27
                                          +1

                                          @jv: Back to speculation- this time conservative to ensure no wild EV hugger optimism. Tesla have around 10 to 12 years of data now and it looks like they have erred on the conservative side - BUT - lots of battery chemistry changes in that time too.
                                          If batteries are the big issue - keep watching the price and do your numbers. And I get that it is an area of uncertainty for some.
                                          It’s OK mate, to each his own. To misquote the beloved Douglas Adams -‘ just keep banging those pistons together.’ 🤠

                                          • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:27
                                            -1

                                            @saltypete:

                                            Tesla have around 10 to 12 years of data now and it looks like they have erred on the conservative side

                                            I wouldn't trust the spin from Tesla.

                                            • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 17:36

                                              @jv: The stuff I’ve seen is data rather than spin showing it sits at about 12% over 320,000 km

                                              https://insideevs.com/news/664106/tesla-battery-capacity-deg…

                                              On the spin side of things - how about Toyota’s regular releases about solid state batteries, range etc etc. They are trying to get the locals to keep hanging on while they try to catch up. They get a new breakthrough every time they start feeling ‘it’…..

                                              • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:42

                                                @saltypete:

                                                On the spin side of things - how about Toyota’s regular releases

                                                No different that what comes out of Tesla…

                                                • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 18:10
                                                  +1

                                                  @jv: I think there’s a big difference. Tesla announce big things with a cost and timeframe. They deliver late and more expensive. But they deliver.
                                                  Toyota announce amazing breakthroughs, and never deliver - then announce again! In the meantime lobbying like mad to slow down the transition to EVs.
                                                  To misquote WS Gilbert - there are the remains of a fine company about Toyota….

                                                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 18:51

                                                    @saltypete: I'm no Toyota fanboy, but I'd take with a grain of salt and 'news' announced by Tesla about their own data…

                                          • jv on 19/04/2024 - 17:28

                                            @saltypete:

                                            If batteries are the big issue - keep watching the price and do your numbers.

                                            Yep, maybe in around 5 years or so, it might be worthwhile to switch over…

                                            • saltypete on 19/04/2024 - 17:40

                                              @jv: In 5 years there may be some pretty good options - better than the limited range atm.
                                              I’d love to be able to buy something with long range towing/travel, but I’m pretty sure I’ll still need a diesel - but who knows?

                                            • derrida derider on 20/04/2024 - 15:49

                                              @jv: CATL (the world's largest battery maker) have dropped their prices by over 25% in the last year - and, remarkably, say their prices will fall another 50% (!) over the next 12 months.

                                              You'll need to redo your numbers a lot sooner than five years. There is already tremendous downward pressure on EV prices which has mostly not yet flowed through to backwater markets like Australia's (being RHD is one major reason we are at the back of the queue). But those prices cannot defy gravity for long.

                                              Toyota is screwed. And it is their own fault for spreading FUD when they should have been spreading EVs.

                                • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:17

                                  @jv: https://youtu.be/wOFfKQ7SxEg?si=jhq5aIHNqFQgxGHN

                                  600,000km long enough?

                                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 15:18

                                    @Euphemistic: Yeah, and some ICE cars have lasted > 50 years on the same engine.

                                    Looking at extreme cases is pointless if most people will need a new battery pack in 10-15 years.

                                    • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:20

                                      @jv: Most ICE cars are ready for the scrap heap if the motor or tranny dies too.

                                      • jv on 19/04/2024 - 15:20
                                        +1

                                        @Euphemistic:

                                        Most ICE cars are ready for the scrap heap if the motor or tranny dies too.

                                        Not true. Motors and transmissions are a lot less expensive that new battery packs.

                                        Also, ICE cars cost half what EV cars do at present.

                                        • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:25

                                          @jv: For some vehicles. Land cruiser motor is $20k.

                                          By the time we have lots of 15yo EVs there will be battery refurbishment businesses. It could be a case of one pr two modules need replacing. A $30k replacement quote is for a new pack at insurance rates. If its only a few cells gone, you can repair or replace parts of the pack - if you have rhe skills and knowledge.

                                          There are already small busineses cpming up with mew packs for early model cars. There weren't a lot of petrol engine repair places when there weren't many petrol engine cars.

                                          People are already buying and using one module of a tesla pack as power for a conversion.

                                          • jv on 19/04/2024 - 15:28
                                            +1

                                            @Euphemistic:

                                            For some vehicles. Land cruiser motor is $20k.

                                            Not many people have Land Cruisers.

                                            A refurb motor for my car is about $2K, but car is still going strong after 20 years… Engine purrs like a kitten. Still running at 100% capacity.

                                            • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:38

                                              @jv: Friends just paid $4k for a turbo on an ecoboost falcon. While engine would have cost more.

                                              Ill bet its not 100% capacity. Some of the hrsepwrs would have escaped and itll be using more fuel and/or oil too.

                                              Thats OK, you do you. Just don't keep spouting the falsehood that everyone will need a new battery at 10y because TBH we JUST DONT KNOW YET. I'm on the optimistic side, theyll last just fine. You're obviously on the pessimistic side. But WE JUST DONT KNOW.

                                              • jv on 19/04/2024 - 16:08
                                                +1

                                                @Euphemistic:

                                                Just don't keep spouting the falsehood that everyone will need a new battery at 10y because

                                                The real falsehood is claiming car battery packs will last 700,000km as you claimed above.

                                                • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 16:17

                                                  @jv: There are quite a few examples of tesla packs lasting that long. Its not a falsehood.
                                                  It might be an extreme example, but so is an ICE lasting that long. Id be surprised if half of them didnt last 300,000km or 20 years.

                                                  Got any stats that care to back up your all batteries die at 10-15year claim?

                                                  The head of nissan said they set up a recyclin plant, but arent getting as ma y batteries as the exepcted becasue they are lasting longer than expected in cars.

                                                  • jv on 19/04/2024 - 16:22

                                                    @Euphemistic:

                                                    Got any stats that care to back up your all batteries die at 10-15year claim?

                                                    It's happening now…

                                                    • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 17:52

                                                      @jv: So is batteries lasting for over 600,000km. You're point is?

                                                      How many are failing at that age? The click baiters love it when there's any form of anti EV stuff to play with. Most of it is outlier stuff.

                                                      Listened to a guy complaining about how much value his EV had dropped. But he only went to dealers, including off brand. Wanted to trade it o a new version of the same vehicle and also didn't back his rhetoric with any industry wide data or anything.

                                                      Don't believe everything you see on the internet either.

          • Euphemistic on 18/04/2024 - 19:09

            @Murkymerv: People running businesses are keen for EVs. They can charge them when they arent being used, save time with employees not refueling and reduce servicing costs and the big one is reduced fuel costs.

            • Murkymerv on 18/04/2024 - 22:00
              -1

              @Euphemistic: Ive got a vaccine id like to sell you , its called , propaganda !

              • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 05:54
                +2

                @Murkymerv: It certainly seems you've fallen for the fossil fuel propaganda.

                • Murkymerv on 19/04/2024 - 10:00

                  @Euphemistic: Its called reality which by the way has ferried your arse around for the majority of your existence.

                  • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 11:21
                    +1

                    @Murkymerv: And now its time to change and the fossil fuel industry has been very active in trying to wreak as much profit out of fossil fuels as possible while also heavly investing in renewable tech because they know the writing is on the wall.

                    • Murkymerv on 19/04/2024 - 12:02
                      -1

                      @Euphemistic: The writing is also on the wall about how your electricity is supplied !
                      Coal and gas accounted for around 70% of electricity generation in 2021. Over the last decade, the share of electricity generated by renewable energy in Australia has increased significantly, rising from around 10.5% in 2010 to 29% in 2021.22 Feb 2024

                      • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 12:38

                        @Murkymerv: Yeah, nah. Seems you can only look to history and not accept that change is here.

                        Theyve already shut down coal stations and we dont have rolling blackouts becasue there isnt enough supply.

                        Youre own figures show that weve increaded 20% in 15 years. Its only going up, and at an accelerating rate. SA is majority renewables already

                        • Murkymerv on 19/04/2024 - 14:33
                          -1

                          @Euphemistic: Ill except change when its feasible.

                          • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 15:10

                            @Murkymerv: It appears you wont. Its feasible now, admittedly in a transiton phase.

                            Saw a video today on a 1.2MWh 220tonne mining truck. Recharge time 30minutes.

          • MrHyde on 18/04/2024 - 19:57

            @Murkymerv: It really depends on the type of business. If its a business, where the vehicle is driven non-stop for 8 hours and drives more than 300-400 Km a day (eg Taxis); then EV may not be suitable just yet.

            For most other people who only drive every now and then and less than 100Kms a day; they end up not waiting at all as the car just recharges overnight. Assuming they have access to a power point (the same point that you plug a kettle into - don't even need a dedicated charger) at the location the car is parked.

            • Murkymerv on 18/04/2024 - 22:05
              -1

              @MrHyde: Since you peddling your saviour , have a read of this .
              https://fee.org/articles/fossil-fuels-are-the-lifeblood-of-c…

              • MrHyde on 19/04/2024 - 06:21
                +4

                @Murkymerv: I agree with the article that fossil fuels have been a boon to society growth and technology advancement. However, as part of advancement; it does not mean we need to stick with it forever. It like the telegraph or the pony express - they all lead to greater communications across the globe which increased advancements in remote parts; but they are no longer around giving way to better technologies.

                Also, I own an EV and for the past year; I have spent only $35 in electricity when I went from Melbourne to Sydney. I did not wait for hours. We made three stops of 15 minutes each at superchargers along the way - taking a toilet break and stretching the legs the same time.

                Outside of this trip, the car is charged at home from excess solar from my panels; so cost is $0. I have spent $0 is servicing and a few dollars on wiper fluid. So, overall, it has been very cost effective for me. My weekly driving is only about 200 Kms; so it fits my usage pattern.

                Like I said, it depends on people's usage patterns; but do feel that the whole argument about waiting hours for a charge is complete bulls**t. No one with an EV waits till the charge gets close to 0 to recharge. It is just constantly recharged whenever at home.

              • Euphemistic on 19/04/2024 - 11:05
                +2

                @Murkymerv: Fossil fuels arent the lifeblood. Energy is. Before now energy hasnt been effectively produced by other sources in quantities that suit or 'needs'.

                BUT, fossil fuels are also polluting and finite. Its just dumb to not want to transition away from them. We are transitioning to significantly cleaner electricity that will also be cheaper to generate.

                it also makes sense to use EVs because they dont waste 75% of the energy put into them, its less than 10% wastage

  • Dollar General on 18/04/2024 - 19:31
    +3

    Honda Prelude & NSX only decent looking cars they have made unfortunately

    • LanceVance on 18/04/2024 - 20:29
      +13

      And the Accord Euro. Sadly Honda isn't even a shadow of its 90's & 2000's glory days.

      • pizzip on 18/04/2024 - 23:43
        +6

        What's 'woke' got to do with Honda making boring crap cars for well over a decade?

          • BigBirdy on 19/04/2024 - 09:01
            +8

            @Charity: Nuts

          • fredblogs on 19/04/2024 - 15:09
            +4

            @Charity: Toyota is a WEF partner company and they've never been more popular and successful. I guess it's because they're woke?

          • smartazz104 on 19/04/2024 - 20:07
            +5

            @Charity: Average satire, 5/10.

          • jrowls on 19/04/2024 - 20:27
            +8

            @Charity: mate go touch grass honestly this comment is totally unhinged.

            take a step back and think about what you're saying. an old, mainstream, JAPANESE automotive manufacturer is run by cultural marxists?

            firstly, what does cultural marxism even mean, in your own words? secondly, i can't imagine many societies less 'infected' by the various things that i assume you think 'cultural marxism' is than japan.

            things are becoming more boring and samey because hypercapitalism, thin margins, globalisation and standardisation, and all the other various things that collectively define the modern economic system do not drive innovation or efficiency. global corporations do the same shit as each other because the system rewards whatever maximises profit margins and minimises risk. it's a creative void, and industries like automotive are the prime example of how this system forces convergence.

            this (and probably half of your other conspiratorial beliefs) is not a sign of global elite conspiring to change things for some cultural marxist ideology. it's just the economic system doing what it does.

            • cloudy on 22/04/2024 - 22:14
              -1

              @jrowls: wow, you were doing so well until you started to state capitalism is the reason why things are all same same and boring.

              If I had to think of the most innovative things to occur in the last 2 decades Id say they nearly all came from the more capitalistic market in the world, yeah, the USA. Apple/smart phones, EVs (or more so Tesla), AI…

              Even when you pick your prime example, I obviously think its a poor example, given Teslas dominance (even though I do dislike Tesla)

              • Euphemistic on 23/04/2024 - 08:04
                +1

                @cloudy: It is true that capitalism innovates, but at the same time late stage capitamism stifles competition.

                Mega corporations buy out and bury competition and innovation so they can make more profit for shareholders. They dont encourage diversity in the market. Then they patent every little thing they can think of, and may not even have being functional which pre ents others from building on the ideas and improving them.

                Lawyers and massive corporations actively kill innovation.

          • SydStrand on 20/04/2024 - 12:52
            +2

            @Charity: Of all the possible takes you can have regarding Honda's current status, that's simultaneously the most unhinged and dumbest. Shame on the handful of cave dwellers upvoting this stupidity. Wtf does Honda have to do with Ukraine or 'wokery?' What does Ayrton Senna have to do with any of this? You're just reflexively spitting 'woke!' at anything you don't like.

            • Euphemistic on 20/04/2024 - 14:17
              +6

              @SydStrand: The minute anyone cries 'woke' you know the dont understand whaf theyre talking about

              • Murkymerv on 21/04/2024 - 11:01
                -3

                @Euphemistic: Just like men , that can become woman now ?

                • Euphemistic on 21/04/2024 - 14:59

                  @Murkymerv: What difference does it make to you if that does happen? None, right?

                  • Murkymerv on 21/04/2024 - 16:16
                    -4

                    @Euphemistic: It does when they compete against women because they're no good at competing against their own gender , or would you rather let them into changing rooms with your daughters or granddaughters ? Or a flag that also incorporates colours of , minor attracted people , you know paedophiles . Defend that , i dare you !

                    • Euphemistic on 21/04/2024 - 20:06
                      +3

                      @Murkymerv: So youre a professional female athlete are you? How does it affect you otherwise? It dossnt affect me at all.

                      Id be more worried about men who remain as men being predators. After all most pedos are not transfender and many of them work with children. Catholic church certainly doesnt have a good record despite all their priests supposedly being cslibate.

                      We should be moving towards gender neutral amenities where an indivudual toilet is available next to an open communal wash basin area.

                      There are no flags thaf defend pedos, thats a strawman. You're the one that brought it up on a completely separate topic - and if you cannot see how its separate then there no point discussing it.

                    • Euphemistic on 21/04/2024 - 20:07

                      @Murkymerv: No chance im clicking on that link without some sort of context.

    • reactor-au on 19/04/2024 - 09:51

      The new type R is really nice, but pricey.

    • WT on 19/04/2024 - 13:05

      looks are subjective, never liked the prelude but neighbours mum had one and it was a great car but I was never fond of the style

      For me, EG hatch is probably their best old school car, previous gen was lighter but not as stiff, later models just started to pack on the weight

      Would love to build a circuit based nsx with a kswap but I have accepted it will probably never happen

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