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Asus ROG Ally Z1 Extreme Gaming Handheld $999 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Bing Lee eBay
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The Value on 04/03/2024 - 19:14 ebay.com.au (2357 clicks)
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Listing says it's the Z1, not the Z1 Extreme version.
Z1 not available in Australia.
Model number matches official Asus website.
Model Number: RC71L-NH001W also matches the ASUS website for Extreme
Same listing on Bing Lee Official Site
Processor Model: AMD Ryzen™ Z1 Extreme Processor ("Zen4" architecture with 4nm process, 8-core /16-threads, 24MB total cache, up to 5.10 Ghz boost)
I'm giving out a case and free partially used skin for anyone interested. Check classified freebie.
Nuts my eBay case (looks same as yours) just arrived today! Oh well, thanks anyway!
Gotta say that front skin looks like a robo kitty.
lol I see it now
Missed by 55$.
Steamdeck owner here (non-OLED, 1TB drive), been thinking of upgrading steamdeck to ROG Ally ($999), or get a 4070 gaming PC ($799) for moonlight/sunshine. I generally don't play AAA titles while I am on the go, but do play them on my TV via steamdeck.
Any thoughts?
Get the desktop. The performance from the Steam Deck to Ally is not significant.
I'm not sure what that game is or requires to run, but I'd go with the PC (not sure I've seen the PC deal with a 4070 for $799) for anything steamdeck can't run, a lot of the reviewers said if you have a steamdeck you don't need to get an ally.. yes it can sort of maybe do some triple A games but your better off playing those games on a PC and playing your lighter games on the steamdeck.
Gaming PC
Can you find a 4070 gaming PC for $799? That'd be a really good deal
Maybe he's just upgrading his current gpu
Close but not a 4070
There is a big difference between 4060 and 4070…
Sorry folks. This is correct, I misread it as 4070
if you like sitting at a pc and playing games then get it…
else get the rog ally (or wait for better portable pcs coming out) if you want some better 1080p + VRR performance..or could just keep playing the deck and wait for deck2 or another better portable pc..
the best thing about portable gaming is not being tied to the desktop which is not as comfortable as lying on a couch/bed etc.
Thanks for the comments, gaming pc it is then
Hello people you still want to price match at JB. SD card was broke on mine and was replaced by JB no questions asked. eBay is risky with returns or repairs
They don't really match coupon codes though do they? Anyone had luck here?
I bought a camera from Digidirect Ebay that needed to be returned to repair and I can confirm there is no issue what ever to claim warranty
Honestly.. begs belief that the Steam Deck OLED can have twice as many upvotes as this considering the spec differences are night and day in favour of the Asus, for essentially $100 LESS.
I feel it's like android(Asus) VS apple(steam) .
More like ChromeOS(steam) vs Windows. Not sure why people would think twice when they are priced so closely. You get Chrome books because they are cheap but still let you perform certain tasks. But if they are the same price as normal laptops, it’s pretty much automatic which one I would get.
Raw specs aren't everything. Steam Deck doesn't hit the same average FPS, but has better frame time consistency (in at least some of the tested games), not to mention better battery life, better ergonomics, and a better ecosystem, including predefined controller mapping presets - I've seen people play Civ6 with those touchpads!
ASUS or Lenovo do have more grunt and can squeeze out more FPS on average, but the experience isn't as smooth. Plus running GOG and other platforms is less of a hassle since they run Windows OOTB.
Once you factor everything in, the choice is really not so clear. IMHO it comes down to the kind of games you want to play and how you intend to use it, and Steam Deck just makes sense for a lot of people's needs. I personally grabbed a Legion Go because it fits my needs better.
I would argue that everything you mentioned there goes against the Steam Deck really. Locking things to just SteamOS means you are stuck with just your Steam Library and not say your Epic or GoG games. Yes, I know you can put Windows onto the Steam Deck, but that literally destroys the argument of the ecosystem. Honestly I don't want to be locked to only playing Steam games when there are tons more choices if I can just use Windows.
I do agree that Windows in this formfactor is clunky (hence why I chose GPD Win Max 2 myself) but so is the Steam deck given its the same form factor. Not to mention that you really need to mod the Steam deck much more to squeeze every FPS out of it to be reasonably decent for AAA gaming. As for "Asus or Lenovo do have more grunt and squeeze more FPS" - we literally talking between 20-50% better in frames. Not at all to "meh" about.
Again, they may indeed hit 20-50% higher FPS, but in some games do not have nearly the same frametime consistency right now. Higher FPS is better, but more consistent FPS is more important. This may (and hopefully will) change with future drivers from AMD. You are right though that if we're talking about AAA gaming specifically Z1 Extreme looks like the better choice, and I wouldn't pick the Steam Deck in that scenario, as it's already struggling with the AAA games we have now.
But you also have to consider that this 20-50% advantage is only in turbo/performance mode - 25W or 30W. It's nice to have the option to turn up the performance when you need it, but it comes at the cost of reducing battery life - the Asus doesn't last very long on battery even in the 15W performance mode. This is fine if you only intend to have short sessions, or bring a power bank with you, or only use it next to a power outlet, but when it comes to actually using these handhelds on battery power in 10-15W TDP mode - Steam Deck's performance is comparable to the Ally. And if you intend to play a lot of 2D platformers, the battery life is way ahead of the competition on the OLED Steam Deck, although you may want to consider a Switch if that's all you play.
I never said that Windows is clunky - it's just Windows as we know it, nothing less, and nothing more. But I think Steam Deck gives you something other than the basic PC gaming experience with its ecosystem - in particular I've seen a lot of praise for the community-contributed controller mappings. But as with any ecosystem, them taking control of things means less flexibility. It's just another factor to consider.
To me there isn't a clear night-and-day winner on the current handheld market, and I can see any one of them being someone's preferred device based on their use case.
While I agree to most of this, I wanted to clear up that you don’t need windows to run your different launchers.
I have successfully installed and played games on Epic game launcher while using steamos
It’s not an OOTB experience but it can definitely work.@luckyeddy: I second this, have Epic, GoG running on my deck. It’s not out of the box but it literally took me 5 minutes to get going.
And windows is clunky with all the crap that they put on top of it, Linux has a little way to go but so far I’ve not had many issues and on top of that the steam deck has really helped the development of gaming on Linux.
@OhNoUShiz: Nah don’t think so found this on on protondb(website that you can use to check if games are compatible with sd)
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Can I ask what your needs were that it fits better? I'm planning to dip my toes into the handheld gaming PC realm & am curious what made people go in a particular direction.
There's a lot to like about the SD OLED but resolution & screen size of the LGo & Ally feel like a better fit.
My needs are very unconventional - I wanted a small lightweight tablet with a decent CPU that I can use docked at work, and maybe use for gaming a bit while commuting and when out on the weekends. So LeGo's detachable joycons that I can leave at home seemed cool. GPD devices also seem like a good fit for me.
So far I've only put maybe 10 hours into Disco Elysium on it. I am running it at quarter of the screen resolution in "quiet" mode - 1440p was very choppy, so you might only be able to use the full resolution in 2D games. I was a bit worried about it being massive, and it does feel cumbersome pulling it out, but once you're set up - I found it comfortable.
ASUS and Lenovo have the benefit of proper warranty here, whereas for Steam Deck you'll have to chase it up with eBay/PayPal/Kogan if anything goes wrong. Ally is also on display at JB Hi-Fi if you want to check it out in person, while LeGo isn't.
SDoled - If you dont play AAA games, better portability with its long battery life. easy pick up and go play games
RogAlly - has better performance, worst battery life, but best if played plugged in. So if you play at home/in your bed, can just plug it in and it smokes steam deck performance. Still has the portability if youre not playing AAA games
legionGo - not the best for portability as its the biggest handheld by alot. If youre purely going to be playing it at a home, LegionGo is the best, but not the best when playing on the bed as its the heaviest/largest. Best played plugged in. has an FPS mode where you use the right joycon as mouse/joystickI would see what the Rog Ally 2 is going to bring though. by the time that happens, im going to predict steam deck oled is going to be sold for $1000 or less with ebay discounts
@justaroundthecorner: For me they all have 'buts'.
I like the SD but I don't want a grey import. The Ally seems great but I've had so so experiences with Asus and don't want to have to keep replacing sd-cards.
The LGo ticks all the boxes but it doesn't have the twin trackpads of the SD & it's more expensive.It's a question of figuring out which 'but' I can live with.
Outside of the raw horsepower the SD OLED wins in every department but even then, the Ally and Legion are questionable in terms of performance. The 1% lows are way lower than the SD OLED leading to a less smooth experience. Sure, you get higher average FPS but that's not as important as providing a consistent experience. Couple that with the fact the screen is higher resolution and will utilise all that extra horsepower. The only way the Ally is going to beat the SD OLED is when you handicap it to 1280x800, but you're still going to get worse 1% lows. Performance aside, the SD OLED will blow it away with battery performance which is key for a handheld gaming device, and the OLED HDR screen is vastly superior to the LCD tech in the Ally. VRR is nice but not significant enough to justify a vastly inferior display. You also get a better user experience with Steam OS and better support through Valve. The Ally would be a hard sell unless average frame rate is the absolute deciding factor.
Err.. your summary: "The Steam Deck has a lower resolution with a brighter OLED screen, therefore it wins". LOL..
And better battery life, and narrower fps range, and better user experience, and better community support. Your summary is deliberately ignoring most of ops points?
Dude they each have their pros and cons. The battery life would win for me easily if I had to choose a portable gaming machine.
If you want something to play triple aaa games you either wait for a newer revision console or just play on PC.. battery life of the z1 extreme makes a massive dip to accommodate playing them on turbo mode for the better fps.
The only perk I find windows has is that you can play epic/ games for Windows/ battlenet etc
Access to Xbox Gamepass is a huge value add for the Ally, IMO.
They are different devices with different pros and cons. I would argue that most people who are interested in either, already have a gaming PC.
I don't want to play AAA games on my Steam deck. I do that on my gaming PC.
I want to use my deck instead of killing time on my phone.
By all indications, when you're on the move you won't get much more than 90 min of gaming time playing AAA games on any device, and that at low settings and possibly with upscaling. Depleting the battery of any device regularly destroys its lifespan, so I try to leave 20%+ in reserve anyway.
I chose the deck because of better battery life in lower power games, and the amazing sleep / resume. Less than 5 seconds and I'm back where I left off at a cost of about 10% battery life over 24 hours.
If I really want to play a more demanding game or an Epic Store game I'll use sunshine and moonlight.
for some people, their gaming pc is too old to play any AAA games at decent framerate..
also gaming PC is not as relaxing as bed / couch gaming with a portable gaming device or with a console..I played more games on my portable gaming device than pc or console games
just cos of the ease of access, convenience and being able played it relaxed on a bed/couch or anywhere..
Would love to know if Lightroom classic works on this without crashing.. and hows the performance..
So is it confirmed to be extreme version
Sub $1000 reached but I want more.
Just keep waiting.
When the Ally 2 comes out, it'll drop pretty significantly. Especially used.
Not enough RAM is still the pain point told by my friend.
How much RAM does your friend want?
PS5, Series X, Steam Deck, Legion Go, all have 16gb of RAM.
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