Entered The Highway from The Exit but Pulled over upon Notice, Police Arrived Shortly

Lckria on 27/12/2023 - 22:22
Last edited 29/12/2023 - 21:04 by 1 other user

A friend of mine (around 50 yo, not fluent English) who arrived in the country about six months ago, got his licence converted to a full Victorian licence with ease by passing all the required tests. Couple of days ago, he's driving eastward on Heatherton Rd in Doveton and wants to enter the highway.

Somehow he's heard the GPS (maps) 'turn right' before arriving at the entry to the highway. He's turned right into the exit ramp and somewhere on the ramp he's noticed he's on the wrong side and has pulled over. The police has arrived shortly too.

Now he's got a fine of ~$400, 3 demerit points which all makes sense. But he's also received a letter from Vic Police stating that they've 'submitted a request to VicRoads to have his licence reviewed to ensure he's medically fit to drive'.

Anyone has had similar experiences?
What are his options?
Will his licence get suspended or cancelled?

Edit: Thank you everyone for your inputs. Some nasties are always expected lol. I'm sorry I can't answer every comment.

FYI, I have already nagged him enough on behalf of all you albeit being younger than him. He's a gentleman and has come from a very reputable career background. He understands what the consequences could have been and relieved that there wasn't any vehicles there at the time. He's remorseful of the incident.
FYI, he's done all the tests in English and can actually communicate in English but 'not fluent'.
He's done Road knowledge test, including all the modules on Vicroads website, then a Hazard Perception Test, verified his OS DL and done the actual practical driving test.
They drive on the right side of the road overseas.
It's a dangerous mistake and lots to learn from.
For now, I have told him to be more and more alert while on the road and see when Vicroads contacts him.
As a person who drives around 50000km a year, I'm all up for sanctions for dangerous driving. I'm puzzled how this has occurred.

Automotive

Comments

  • Johnsmithaus on 27/12/2023 - 22:27
    +292

    Seems fair enough, good job on police/VicRoads for the quick action getting an unsafe driver off our roads. How can somebody be full license if they don't understand road signs, not to mention road rules. What outcome are you after?

    • HeWhoKnows on 28/12/2023 - 14:08
      +10

      I think its bloody hilarious and ditto from Johnsmithaus above

      OP should probably keep his nose out of this.
      Not his problem
      best not to get involved

      But thanks for a great laugh OP!

      • SpotTheOzzie on 29/12/2023 - 10:39
        +5

        Agree with JoshSmith and Amayzinggine.

        There's definitely a correlation between the huge intake of migrants and the decline in the standard average road user in Australia.

        Lots of these breaking the road rules / crashes post on OzB. Not really sure what the point is, do they want to be off scott-free? Take responsibility for your actions.

        On the commitee for our apartment block. A driver leaving our apartment block waited for the gates to open, went through, and stopped at the lip of the driveway and road. Put his right indicator on to enter the street and instead of progressing into street ended up reversing into the gate causing 8k of damage.

        No idea why at any point he selected reverse or even changed gears.

        When asked he said it was his 2nd time driving on Australian roads and was nervous but wanted to be pardoned from paying the damages because he only arrived here a month ago. What?

        On

        • HeWhoKnows on 30/12/2023 - 08:28

          Plenty of immigrant drivers getting off scott-free because there is no way to chase down the fines they incur as you dont have an Australian license.

          Many companies using immigrate drivers (particularly Irish) are taking advantage of this and flicking fines onto them with no implications

    • lgacb08 on 28/12/2023 - 22:50
      +3

      Not uncommon to see nowadays, when people relying on gps more than reading and taking times to understand road signs. My missus did the same thing years ago in Geelong and didn't understand why a prime mover coming towards her and honking.

  • Godric on 27/12/2023 - 22:27
    +23

    Is your friend Michael Scott?

    • Some Human on 27/12/2023 - 23:00

      Okay, this is what it was. It was these bunch of idiots that had put a fish tank exit ramp in off the ground freeway with no cover and no railing english writing.

    • AlienC on 30/12/2023 - 00:56

      Wait is that the same guy from what is it called Mr Scotts Tots?

      • EdenKai on 30/12/2023 - 20:01

        yes thats exactly what it was. That is the most difficult office episode ever. i felt actual pain.

  • pinchies on 27/12/2023 - 22:29
    +66

    I know there are some symbols, but I still think you need to be able to read english to be safe on our roads.

    • The Value on 27/12/2023 - 22:32
      +27

      I think making overseas drivers do the Learner's exam is very reasonable.

      Driver's Knowledge Test in NSW.
      https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/driver-knowledge-…

      • Clear on 27/12/2023 - 22:41
        +44

        I know too many people driving on our roads who received their license by bribing in their home country. The government are too focused on putting speed cameras and lowering speed limits everywhere instead.

        A crackdown and overhaul is looooong overdue.

        • lachhelix on 28/12/2023 - 11:58
          +13

          Mandatory licence retesting for all drivers would be #1 priority if I was ever in charge

          • Clear on 28/12/2023 - 11:59
            +8

            @lachhelix: Agreed. So many elderly would fail when they go 80-90km/h down the highway when the limit is 110km/h. Sit 20km/h below the limit in a regular driving test and they'll fail you (in my experience).

            • lachhelix on 28/12/2023 - 12:01
              +3

              @Clear: I get so so angry about it (stupidly) ESPECIALLY people who brake on freeway ramps - I don't know why the gov doesn't introduce it? They can charge for the retest so it'll be more taxes for them

              Shorten the international driver requirement before they have to take a proper test to 4 weeks and require mandatory licence retesting for all drivers every x years (20?)

              • Clear on 28/12/2023 - 12:14
                +1

                @lachhelix:

                ESPECIALLY people who brake on freeway ramps

                This was one of the contributing factors to me failing my full license driver's test a very long time ago. Equally people in the left lane who won't move to the right lane (when there's room) to let you in pisses me off too.

                • cameldownunder on 28/12/2023 - 15:09
                  +1

                  @Clear: No, you don't move from the left lane into the right or middle lane
                  People on the freeway can slow down or accelerate or keep speed so cars entering can merge.
                  Of course if they are on the ramp at 60kmh when everybody else is going 110km/h ….
                  And you enter the ramp, and drive down the ramp, if there is space to accelerate, otherwise, wait.
                  You cannot expect cars on the motorway to "Make space" for you

                  • Clear on 28/12/2023 - 15:34

                    @cameldownunder:

                    No, you don't move from the left lane into the right or middle lane

                    Where I am there are no "middle lanes". If you're not speeding up, slowing down or moving to the right lane to let someone in causing them to brake hard since they're being blocked, then you're being a dick.

                    Common sense isn't always written into the road rules because it's as the name says common sense. Something a lot of people here lack it would seem.

                    • cameldownunder on 28/12/2023 - 23:13
                      -1

                      @Clear: Ok two lanes on motorway. Now you see a car in front of you in the ramp, and you do what, you go to the right lane? you could slow down ( not brake just not having the foot on the accelerator ) and the car is in. Is the car behind you? just accelerate a bit more and the car can slot in behind you. Not that difficult. Not rocket science, just COMMON SENSE.
                      Every time you change lane there's an increased risk.
                      Also if the car is just a bit in front of you, and you change lane, you put yourself perfectly in his blind spot, and car merging has no clue what happened to the car he was just seeing before, with god knows what reaction.
                      I am not pulling things out of thin air, it's behaviour taught by my driving instructor.

                      • Clear on 28/12/2023 - 23:16
                        +1

                        @cameldownunder: Your in the left lane coming up to a ramp and a car is about to merge in and they're parallel to you. What do you do? Accelerate, slow down, move to the right lane or continue matching their speed so they have to slow down to merge? You do the latter.

                        That's the issue I'm talking about. In driving tests here they will mark you down for merging too slow or even stopping to get onto a highway. It may sound stupid, but they have fail quotas and it's one of the silly dodgy things they do to meet their goals.

                        • Clear on 29/12/2023 - 02:31

                          @Clear: In other words we're literally arguing the same thing. If you're already in the highway there's ways of letting cars in instead of blocking them.

                        • cameldownunder on 29/12/2023 - 21:59

                          @Clear: You don't let it come to this point. The merging lanes are visible and long enough. If you have to stop while in the merging lane ( merging ) then you should not get a license
                          The merging lanes are to accelerate to the same speed as the other cars not to crawl up at 60 and then go to 80 when the cars a re going at 110

                • GregRust on 29/12/2023 - 07:34

                  @Clear: I know that the rule is "keep left", but I've always wondered why on freeway's/motorway's it's not "keep right".

                  If everyone kept right on freeway's/motorway's then the left lane would always be free for people exiting/entering and the congestion from mergers would be a thing of the past.

                  • Clear on 29/12/2023 - 08:03

                    @GregRust: I know on a lot of roads where this has become an issue they've removed the dotted lines so whoever is in the front has right of way. Having 3 lanes certainly helps solve the issue.

                  • cameldownunder on 29/12/2023 - 22:00

                    @GregRust: If everyone goes to the left on an incoming merger, then you slow dow the left lane to a halt, causing more danger of collision

                    • GregRust on 30/12/2023 - 07:14
                      +1

                      @cameldownunder: Not sure if I'm understanding your response correctly, and forgive me if I am not, but isn't that my point? If the rule on multi-lane roads was "Keep right unless overtaking", then the left lane would nearly always be clear for cars to merge into, thus reducing congestion?

              • AlexF on 28/12/2023 - 14:51
                +1

                @lachhelix:

                They can charge for the retest so it'll be more taxes for them…

                I bet they’ve done modelling - likely, many drivers will fail and possibly abandon or reduce driving - so, less drivers paying registration, reduced state fuel tax revenue, reduction in demand for used cars (prompting increase in new luxury car prices), increased pressure on public transport infrastructure, reduction in insurance demand (hence tax revenue), reduction in Transurban profits, and worst of all… fewer speeding and parking fines. All loss making outcomes.

                • banana365 on 28/12/2023 - 21:36

                  @AlexF: The revenue raised from motoring activities (taxes, fines, registration etc) doesn't come anywhere near the government expenditure required to support those activities. Road building and maintenance, emergency services, environmental remediation etc. all dip into other sources of income whether it be national (income tax, GST) or local (rates etc.)

        • kaleidoscope on 28/12/2023 - 22:07

          No. 1 reason I didn’t get my license from my home country.

          Even if you pass driving you need to bribe to get the check from inspector 🤷‍♂️

        • The Value on 27/12/2023 - 23:19
          +15

          But they're from a place where the laws may be different to ours. Like we keep left, some keep right. US can turn right on red, we can't unless specified.

          • mbck on 28/12/2023 - 00:10
            +3

            @The Value: Yeah that turn right on red shocked me hahaha

            • WT on 17/01/2024 - 11:40

              @mbck: its actually really good, the onus is on you to merge safely instead of being an NPC sitting at a light where there is no other cars in all directions

              I think as a byproduct it also makes people more aware of merging onto freeways, every single on ramp here there is someone in a toyota trying to save 100ml of fuel by accelerating like a turtle and half the banked up traffic miss the light. Drove across the US and maybe only seen it once or twice, 99% of people want to GO GO GO and are up above 80 mph while still merging. We dont need self driving cars here, a lot of people just go on auto pilot here and switch their brain off

          • serpserpserp on 28/12/2023 - 08:53
            -2

            @The Value: I think in most states you can't

            • Bypass on 28/12/2023 - 11:37
              +1

              @serpserpserp: Pretty sure every US state allows right turn on red.

              • serpserpserp on 28/12/2023 - 15:24

                @Bypass: I mean in Australia.

              • illusion99 on 28/12/2023 - 21:12

                @Bypass: Not sure about the whole New York state but you definitely cannot right turn on red in New York City when I was living there.

            • belongsinforums on 28/12/2023 - 19:55

              @serpserpserp: There was a trial in qld for turn left on red at certain interesections

          • RockyRaccoon on 28/12/2023 - 10:52

            @The Value: If you follow that logic, then no one should drive in a jurisdiction unless they pass a test.

            No travellers from Oz can drive in the US.

            VIC drivers can do Uturns at lights, not so in other states of Australia.

            Edit. I see you accepted that point below 👍🏻

        • EightImmortals on 28/12/2023 - 07:04
          +3

          But did they do it in English?

        • based on 28/12/2023 - 13:02

          What were the required tests? Some countries seem to just get transferred immediately, others have to do the same theory and practical tests, the only shortcut they get is not needing to do the log book / sit on Ls for a year

      • TheMindsetTraveller on 27/12/2023 - 23:27

        While I get this sentiment - what would it mean for the 1,000s of international travellers who are renting cars for a few days etc

        • The Value on 27/12/2023 - 23:31

          Good point.

        • john_conner on 28/12/2023 - 09:59
          +3

          Uber
          Taxi
          Train
          Tram
          Bus
          Walking

          • resisting the urge on 28/12/2023 - 22:57
            +1

            @john_conner: Some are driving Ubers, that's for sure:

            Last one I was in couldn't follow Google maps, and directions in english were a challenge. He couldn't prepare to merge, or merge forcefully when he ran out of room. On a half hour trip nearly crashed (unforced errors) four times, and tried to go the wrong way a few.

            Was skilled behind the wheel but terribly green around the constraints of lanes and local rules.

            With so many governments and gov depts you'd think we could have figured out how to help people start a life here. But no, the puppet masters of govs have only ever wanted to bring in people that will work for cheap. "Keep 'em young, dumb and cheap"; it must be a corporate motto somewhere…

        • nobro25 on 28/12/2023 - 14:57
          +6

          Pay a premium, get a taxi or public transport. Just because you're a tourist doesn't make you entitled to drive not knowing the road rules and endangering the community.

          • Flying Ace on 28/12/2023 - 15:37
            +1

            @nobro25: Then it should go both ways - Aussies shouldn't be allowed to rent a motorhome in NZ, or a scooter in Bali, or a car in Europe.

            It would be interesting to see the statistics of tourists involved in accidents compared to residents. I'd bet it's a pretty low percentage.

          • RockyRaccoon on 28/12/2023 - 17:20

            @nobro25: Likewise, given they are used to looking right, then left crossing the street, they should be allowed to endanger the community walking on the street

            • Save 50 Cent on 29/12/2023 - 09:38

              @RockyRaccoon: But that is only 3 or 6 months after becoming a permanent resident, no? At least that is the case in QLD. So international student, partner visa holders etc can driver for years on their international licences before even having to learn the local rules.

        • cameldownunder on 28/12/2023 - 15:10
          +1

          People renting are generaly more careful … dont drive cheap Toyota corolla 1987 ….

      • stewy on 28/12/2023 - 00:47
        +2

        That's already the case in atleast NSW once you are no longer considered a temporary visitor, unless you come from a country that is recognised as having more or less equivalent driving standards.

        My wife had to do both the written and practical tests to convert her full overseas licence to a NSW licence.

      • pao2x on 29/12/2023 - 08:23

        They do this already. In NSW

  • Unorthodox on 27/12/2023 - 22:30
    +22

    As in he turned into the wrong lane into incoming traffic?

    From that alone, good on the police for having it reviewed after just getting it converted (too many instances of cheating the system, very easy to look up). If he's medically and practically okay to drive in Vic than no issues…

  • AndyC1 on 27/12/2023 - 22:31
    +6

    "medically fit to drive", sounds like the police thought your "friend" was not fit to drive based on their interaction. Very strange that the police have sent a letter as it would have taken the officer allot of time to get the letter approved to be sent.

    Check that your facts are correct as the police would have submitted an internal request to vicroads and then it is up to vicroads to deal with.

    • ckria on 27/12/2023 - 23:00

      I think they've already done this and sent him a letter to let him know too.

    • oscargamer on 28/12/2023 - 00:22
      +7

      Takes about 5 mins to do the form/letter and get it approved

    • derrida derider on 28/12/2023 - 10:08
      +11

      I'm a fit and healthy 70 yo with an impeccable driving record (haven't had a ticket or accident for well over a decade). Out of the blue I just got the letter saying I have to get a Drs review for my Vic licence - undoubtedly because at my last 10yr renewal I ticked the diabetes box (Type 2 controlled entirely by diet and a daily tablet - I've never remotely had a hypo).

      It's no problem for me (I'm due for my checkup at the quack's anyway) but I think since that diabetic idiot at Daylesford wiped out a whole family in September they are doing a big crack down on older drivers with medical issues in Vic. Is your friend older and overweight?

      • kaleidoscope on 28/12/2023 - 22:09

        Diabetic conditions affect eye sight overtime. So it’s a fair call.

        • lgacb08 on 28/12/2023 - 22:45

          Not overtime, only when you leave your blood sugar unchecked.

      • ckria on 29/12/2023 - 20:52

        This could be the case, although I'm not aware of his health issues. As far as I know, he's a tiny bit overweight but is quite active.

    • ThithLord on 02/01/2024 - 10:21

      would have taken the officer allot of time to get the letter approved to be sent.

      A lot is two words, matey.

  • MS Paint on 27/12/2023 - 22:33
    +26

    A GP will be required to make an assessment of being medically fit to drive and then that will be reviewed by VicRoads medical team.

    Your "friend" needs to get a better understanding of GPS standard phrases and street signage while also performing a quick mental reasonableness test.

    Are there VicRoads traffic cameras in the area? The nearest highway patrol unit might have be sent there after VicRoads staff observed the incident.

    Edit: I just checked the street view on Google maps. FFS tell your "friend" to hand in their license. There is literally no excuse to make that maneuver while ignoring all the signs. FFS. They even shaped the median strips so even the biggest dumb arse in the world couldn't make this error. FFS.

      • p1 ama on 27/12/2023 - 23:52
        +25

        I honestly don't know either how this has happened. I would probably put it on 'relying too much on the Maps and forgetting the signs'.

        Was he controlling the car, or was Google Maps? Don't absolve responsibility.

        It happened because he is (i) inexperienced with Australian road conditions, and probably, with driving on the LHS, where you need to pass the off-ramp before turning right onto an on-ramp, (ii) was not paying attention, despite his inexperience, and (iii) has not ensured that he is competent to drive given his unfamiliarity with English, road-signs, and Australian road rules.

    • Eeples on 28/12/2023 - 12:19
      +2

      All the signs?

      Looks like just one (not huge) no right hand turn sign on the right hand side tacked on to some other big sign.

      By the time you turn you do hit the double 'no entry' signs there is no where else to go but through them, really……. and then you get to the 'Go Back' signs.

      https://ibb.co/1s3Y04P

  • jakepods on 27/12/2023 - 22:46
    +4

    maybe he should stick with ptv

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 27/12/2023 - 22:57
    +5

    He's turned right into the exit ramp

    😳

  • AustriaBargain on 27/12/2023 - 23:17
    +3

    Drive on the wrong side of the highway long enough for the realisation to occur "somewhere" on the ramp. Even the average L plate teen wouldn't do that, I'd hope anyway.

    • atali on 30/12/2023 - 10:39

      it’s easy to make that mistake if you’ve lived long enough in other countries where they drive on the right hand side

  • bobbified on 27/12/2023 - 23:26
    +4

    Somehow he's heard the GPS (maps) 'turn right' before arriving at the entry to the highway.

    I will never understand how some people can just blindly follow the GPS directions.

    • p1 ama on 27/12/2023 - 23:49
      +7

      I will never understand how some people can just blindly follow the GPS directions.

      It's not "blindly following GPS", that's just an excuse careless / idiotic drivers use to absolve themselves of responsibility.

      The issue with international drivers getting their license "converted" is that they do not have to go through the same training that is otherwise required. When I was on my L plates, I had to do like 60 hours (I think it's even more these days), and you learn during those 60 hours that when driving on the left, turning right onto a freeway on-ramp means that you (usually) have to pass the off-ramp first. This sort of instinct / experience you only get by actually driving.

      • RSmith on 28/12/2023 - 07:00
        +3

        I had to do like 60 hours (I think it's even more these days)

        120 in Victoria

      • superuser on 28/12/2023 - 14:05

        120hrs in nsw if under 25 yo, including 20 hrs night time driving.

      • atali on 30/12/2023 - 12:47

        I’m one of those international drivers who converted without mandatory 60 hrs based on my 10 years driving experience already and never had issues (haven’t had a single demerit point lost not even a traffic fine)

  • FoxJump on 27/12/2023 - 23:31
    +1

    When GPS' came out initially, I once did the same mistake. Went up the off-ramp a bit, but was able to move over to the correct lane.
    this was in early 2000s.

    • paulojr on 28/12/2023 - 13:58

      Toyota navigation always tells me to drive down the tram tracks in my area when passing through every single time, which is impossible as the tram tracks are not on a actual road but a dedicated tram lane.. after about 4 map updates still provides the same guidance. I'm now well used to ignoring maps however I can fully understand someone actually following the instructions then realising last second the mistake. Its really tricky to say.. never trust the maps if your use to using it all the time.

      Real problem is if your listening map guidance its also going to be less attention for the tiny road signs.

      I think if it was late in the day and weather conditions poor (raining/foggy) I could very well imagine how easy it might be to follow the navigation first especially with how bad some of our signage is in Australia.

      and I don't believe for one second anyone with years on the road hasn't made a wrong turn or missed a sign, that's fanciful thinking. Geez even cruise robo taxi's make enough mistakes. :)

      Hard to really judge not being in the situation. It does feel like more like a very human mistake and more a situation where process has kicked in (e.g. age of driver, fact he was on an international license, automatically kicks in a process to review medical condition).

      • nobro25 on 28/12/2023 - 14:58

        Why aren't you using Google maps?

        • FoxJump on 28/12/2023 - 15:47
          +1

          could be a P plater

    • WT on 17/01/2024 - 11:51

      I started waze to go from mums back home, not because i needed directions but because I wanted traffic info and cameras, even though its set to avoid tolls it still wanted me to take a toll, in the opposite direction, I just went my usual route, there were no accidents or traffic

      Even on a road trip, its good to have an idea of teh ideal route as it can send you the wrong way, or through a road that is closed. Dont just blindly accept directions

  • try2bhelpful on 27/12/2023 - 23:34
    +4

    We all do stupid things at times. Your friend needs to do whatever they direct him to do and hope he gets to keep his licence. Then he needs to stop relying on the GPS and start watching what he is doing.

    • KSMLJ on 28/12/2023 - 08:41
      +4

      and hope he gets to keep his licence

      To be honest, I really hope he doesn't.

      He got lucky this time and didn't kill anyone.

      Not so sure about the next time.

        • Peeper on 28/12/2023 - 15:37
          +3

          People who get severely injured or die in car crashes don't get a second chance.

  • p1 ama on 27/12/2023 - 23:45
    +11

    It is a privilege, not a right to drive on public infrastructure. Everyone driving needs to be of a certain standard (and follow certain rules) so that other drivers can get home to their families. FWIW, I do think that the enforcement of certain traffic rules are quite authoritarian (e.g. very minor speeding offences), however, anybody who is (either willingly, or not) a danger to other road users should not be allowed to drive on the road.

    It doesn't matter why he's decided to go down the wrong side of the road, it's negligence. Cars going on the off-ramp are slowing down from 100 km/h, he is lucky that there wasn't a car coming, that a more serious accident was not caused, that he didn't injure or kill anyone.

  • Euphemistic on 27/12/2023 - 23:50
    +6

    Might be a simple screwup but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ensure that someone who has done something so potentially dangerous is subject to a medical assessment to ensure they aren’t a danger to anyone else.

  • freefall101 on 28/12/2023 - 00:03
    +1

    Couple of days ago, he's driving eastward on Heatherton Rd in Doveton and wants to enter the highway.
    Somehow he's heard the GPS (maps) 'turn right' before arriving at the entry to the highway.
    He's turned right into the exit ramp and somewhere on the ramp he's noticed he's on the wrong side and has pulled over. The police has arrived shortly too.

    The only highway near Doveton is the Monash freeway, and if he turned right onto that then sweet baby batman someone take that guys license off him.

    There's a big no right turn arrow there (no english on it to even read), then two no entry signs, big arrows on the road pointing the opposite direction. He might not have been able to read the big red signs going "WRONG WAY, GO BACK", but what gave it away in the end, the traffic driving straight at him? I'm glad he didn't make it to the freeway.

    I know the intersection, you get in the right hand lane and turn right where the big arrows tell you slightly further ahead of where he turned.

    • leiiv on 28/12/2023 - 02:51
      +3

      I have a guess that all those big signs and markings were there because there were many incidents like that before. It's just unintuitive road design.

      • BeamMeUp on 28/12/2023 - 08:00
        +3

        Or standard measures to stop the incompetent drivers from killing themselves and taking innocent others with them.

        • leiiv on 28/12/2023 - 11:25
          +1

          It is standard measure for patching up bad road design. It is 100% possible to have an exit ramp that can't be easily mistaken as a normal road and entered by cars from opposite direction.

          • freefall101 on 28/12/2023 - 16:15

            @leiiv: It’s standard to have the no entry and wrong way, go back signs on every on/off ramp due to the risk of someone driving head on into freeway traffic (I took a drive up the Calder today and looked at the on ramps, it’s very common). I imagine the reason is more how dangerous it is if a car manages to go head first into 100km/h traffic.

    • Eeples on 28/12/2023 - 12:25

      There is NO big right turn arrow sign. There is a small no right turn arrow tacked on to another sign. Easily missed.

      https://ibb.co/1s3Y04P

      • WhyAmICommenting on 28/12/2023 - 13:36
        +3

        I can see a red NO ENTRY sign in your photo

        • Sammy2000 on 28/12/2023 - 13:57
          +2

          And a directional arrow on the road. Is that also a few WRONG WAY GO BACK further along?

          • WhyAmICommenting on 28/12/2023 - 14:15

            @Sammy2000: Looks like it.

            The angle on the arrow in the lane is weird - I assume you can go “diagonally”?

            Edit: must be a hint that the lane becomes a turning lane later

          • Eeples on 28/12/2023 - 15:45
            +1

            @Sammy2000: And you are suggesting the OP's 'friend' went past the 'Go Back' signs?

            There is a verge to the left after the 'no entry' signs. It would make sense to pull over there (as he did?). We don't know if he went past the 'Go Back' signage.

        • Eeples on 28/12/2023 - 15:44
          +1

          I can too. But once you have turned… what choice do you have but go through them and then pull over to the left as the OP's 'friend' did.

        • Eeples on 29/12/2023 - 10:04

          Actually that isn't the NO ENTRY sign that he violated seen in the pic.

          He didn't do an almost-you-ee to make that exit.

          There is another single exit right turning lane; which does have double no exit signs… that he went through.

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