I went to a big shopping centre where I can see there are four charging spots near the entrance.
However, two of them parked there were not charging at all. I guess it was just because it was close to the shops.
Personally, I don't drive an EV but raised my eyebrows seeing those dogs in the manger.
no permits exists
Is it ethical to park an EV in enclosed place ?
What happens if its catches fire and turns the shopping center car park into a toxic chamber and burns down half the shopping center.
Asking for a friend in Luton.
Is it ethical to park an EV in enclosed place ?
Yes
Asking for a friend
Is this "friend" with us now, but only you can see them
I'm not sitting on them am I
Solid argument…
Learn to write proper responses like a big boy .
Destination charger and finished charging but still shopping is fine ….. parking without ever charging is wrong. That is all nuff said. Close thread
Charges were probably broken. Every single time I've been to IKEA in Richmond and Springvale at least 50% of the chargers don't work. Was literally at Springvale last weekend and 1 in 4 was working.
"Hmm, this is broken. Somebody might have to get in here to fix it. I know, I'll just park here anyway because reasons"
You seem to think you've told a joke. Here's a tip: if you can't explain the punchline, it's you.
Guilty as charged.
No, not ethical.
Ignorant pr1cks.
This is the same as returning a shopping cart. Some people are nice, some people are lazy. Shopping https://boingboing.net/2017/09/06/shopping-cart-alignment-ch…
What about parking in the Wash-and-shop only spots in shopping centers, then just running off?
I think the real fix is to charge someone who is not using it by constant surveillance. They never needed a reason before to fine car drivers. Having all on CCTV just makes it easier.. then the charging station should also charge for overstaying in the spot after it's charged..
EV charging stations, with leads hanging out of vehicles, batteries charging etc. should not be near the entry/exit door. Ideally, they would be a dedicated EV area a few rows back. Poor centre design.
Sounds fair…. But lets also apply that to vehicles filled with 40+ litres of flammable liquid, they too shouldn't be near the entry/exit door either.
Yeah fuel needs an ignition source to catch fire. A charging vehicle just needs a faulty battery unit. Having said that, I'm all for people emptying their fuel prior to parking.
Oh an ignition source you say? Like the explosions that happen every time you turn on an ICE car?
Hate to break it to you, per 100k vehicles, ICE cars catch fire way more than EVs do. Don't believe the FUD in MSM.
There have been ~80k new EVs sold this year, how many fires have you heard about?
@JimmyF: How many ICE cars have you known in the past 5 years to take out an airport and destroy 1500 cars ?
Did you ever ask yourself how this situation is possible ? Did you know that the Luton airport fire dept, literally couldnt do anything to stop the fire, becuse EV fires are unstoppable.
You dont appreciate that while ICE cars do have fires, fire departments can actually put them out. Go ask your local fire station what they can do to combat an EV fire…the answer is they cant do anything.
THe only way to stop an EV fire is to dump the car inside a container of water…and let me ask you, how do you do that inside a carpark that is on fire ?
How do you dunk a car inside a carpark inside a tank of water, when the structure of the carpark is unstable because of the intense fire from the EV car has caused the steel within it to fail ?
Thaats what happened in Luton.
How many ICE cars have you known in the past 5 years to take out an airport and destroy 1500 cars ?
Funny you bring that question up….. 1 ICE car that caught fire in the last 5 years at a airport which destroyed 1500 cars with it.
Yeah it was an ICE car that caused the fire not a EV.
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/12/heres-the-car-that-spark…
ICE cars catch fire all the time, taking out lots of cars with it, but you know, people like to ignore that fact.
Oh look, another ICE car that caught fire at a airport in the last 24 hours that took out 11 cars with it. Gee these things should really be banned!!
https://au.news.yahoo.com/fire-bristol-airport-car-park-2103…
Did you ever ask yourself how this situation is possible ?
Yeah I know its crazy, people park cars with 60l or more of a liquid that will catch fire with the smallest spark. Just crazy and then they keep burning and taking out more cars with it!
@JimmyF: You should really check out hyperbole, they make a great vehicle.
This all stems from saying there shouldn't be charging stations located near the entry/exit door. No issues if they're charging elsewhere. Same as the fuel station is in the corner of the car park away from the Centre itself.
This all stems from saying there shouldn't be charging stations located near the entry/exit door
ICE cars catch fire far more often than EVs do…..
So move all vehicles away from the doors then or none at all.
No issues if they're charging elsewhere. Same as the fuel station
There is a reason petrol stations are outside, pumping a liquid that gives off fumes and likes to catch fire in an enclosed space is not a wise thing.
Plugging in a EV doesn't have these issues. I mean are you just as scared of your fridge, washer, dryer or dishwasher at home? They all use power and are plugged in all the time.
@JimmyF: Yes ICE cars catch fire, but they burn significantly at a lower temp and they can actually be stopped by the equipment available to FD.
The problem with EV is you CANT put the damn fire out, and they burn 2x or 3x hotter, which affects the structural integrity of basically building on the planet.
With an iCE car a FD can just blast it with water etc, and problem is solved, not nice a few cars get burnt or damaged etc.
With EV you cant stop the fire, and since theres extra heat that also triggers other EVs withi nthe car park, especially a problem in enclosed places like underground or multi level car parks.
So what happens when the level is hot enough to trigger more EVs to catch fire ? The temp to cause battery thermal runaway isnt that hot so other EVs dont have to be that close to the EV that is on fire.
That what happened in Luton, it doesnt matter wht started the fire, you need to ask yourself what made it such a disaster ?
Answer EVs throughout the carpark each started their own fires and eventually the whole thing was gone.
@JimmyF: @JimmyF
GO ask your local fire station how they handle a EV fire in an underground car park.
Then ask me is that safe ?
What happens when they let the first EV fire continue and the temp rises and other EVs also start their own fires ?
@JimmyF: @Jimmy: Yeah it was an ICE car that caused the fire not a EV.
The early photos show it was from the position of the hybrid battery system.
Secondly the reason the fire was so hot was becaus eof the EV within the carpark. Regular cars dont burn that hot, and would not have caused the steel embedded within the structure to fail.
If it was an ICE car the Fire dept would have been able to put it out, as i said before FD can handle ICE car fires, they cant handle EV fires. Once the fire had spread to more than a few EV cars it was over, tehre was NOTHING the FD could do.
EV owner myself and I hate to see these. I also think those charging spots should be further to the entrance to discourage people to park there.
Isn’t that like parking in front of a petrol pump lol
Hmmm ethics…..now we are on the topic…is it ethical to claim that EV vehicles are better for the environment?
That's the funny thing about ethics, it seems to be clouded by social acceptance.
is it ethical to claim that EV vehicles are better for the environment?
The only people that claim otherwise are in the pockets of Big Oil.
Definitely in the pocket of the oil cartel - or brainwashed by media backed by oil.
But, it does depend on what you’re comparing an EV to. Better for the environment than a train? No. Better than a diesel SUV? Yes. Better than walking? No. Better than taking a private jet? Yes. Better than maintaining an existing ICE rather than building a new EV? Yes after a couple of years of usage.
I don't park in disabled spots. I don't park in mothers with pram spots. I don't park in EV charging spots. AITA?
No. If you do, your car's photo will probably end up on ICEHoles and EVHoles Australia (private Facebook group) lol
https://www.facebook.com/groups/343306533237130
Plug them in next time
I know the title relates to EVs, but until such time as there is an equal number of dedicated "ICE vehicle only" parking spots, I think it's perfectly fine for an ICE vehicle to park in an EV designated space. Fair's fair.
WRONG. Why would ICE vehicles need dedicated spaces?
Pretty sure they were thinking ideologically without any regard to logic, completely disregarding the fact that as many in this thread had pointed out, these spots are for charging, not parking. It is frustrating that there are people who are openly hostile to anything that doesn't benefit them directly.
In that case, by your logic, we should have petrol bowsers taking up parking space in shopping centres and public carparks and the like. With regard to 'charging, not parking', considering EVs take forever to charge, and most people don't park in a shopping centre carpark the entire day, more often than not charging = parking.
They don't NEED dedicated spaces per se, but if EVs get dedicated spaces, then it's only fair that ICE vehicles should get the same number of dedicated spaces.
From my experience, some driver's do want to charge but then realise they don't have the right plug, or don't have an account with the charging provider, or any other reason. Afterwards, they can't be bothered moving the car to another spot and just leave it there.
It's frustrating seeing that happen, but what can you do.
You charge and use the spot, you don’t charge and you find another spot. Simple. You go to a fuel station and fill up at the spot, you don’t sit at a fuel bay and keep it occupied if you’re no longer using it. It’s just common sense. And clearly EV and NON-EV users can’t get this right
Pity I don't have my bright green 1978 VW (manual) Golf anymore. I've always wanted to be able to park in bays just for green vehicles.
Sometimes the charging stations are out of order. Maybe not fair to judge too early
The answer to this question is super simple NO
I suspect you already know the answer OP, but are hoping people will tell you otherwise.
There is no way I would park in an EV charging bay if I owned an EV if I was not charging the thing, just plain rude.
Maybe the charger is broken? Got a new EV two weeks ago, have tried 3 public chargers so far, only 1 worked (the Tesla supercharger).