Tesla, just dropped the price of an inventory Model 3 even lower, might be a good bargain to get before the:
stamp duty rebate https://www.revenue.nsw.gov.au/grants-schemes/electric-vehic…
and 3k ev grant ends: https://www.revenue.nsw.gov.au/grants-schemes/electric-vehic…
at the end of this year.
With the refresh model 3 2024 loosing the gear stalk and blinker stalk, this could become a high yield investment ;D
Referee gets $1400 off Model Y & 3 purchase.
Referrer gets $700 credit toward Supercharging, software upgrades, merchandise, service payments or a new vehicle. Limit of 10 referral benefits per calendar year.
Whoosh!
Despite missing the gag you're right. When you factor in the price of ownership over 5 or so years too I'd imagine the Model 3 is cheaper despite the larger outlay.
They should be cheap and elementary.
ABC.
Always Be Charging.
Boom tish!
damn does it usually get this religious with car deals in general? Do BMW drivers moan and hag all the Mercede fan bois?
Only with new things. I still remember the iPhone/Blackberry wars of the early 2000s. New thing happens, early adopters get it and try to tell everyone what they are missing out on, and the slowpokes that don't want to change fight tooth an nail to PROVE that the new thing is bad, without actually giving it a go. Then they FINALLY get the new thing, and then tell everyone how smart they are that they now have the new thing…..
Buy buy ..,I’m on the webull promo with Tesla share….we need Aussie sales
Vaguely interested in the LR AWDs on offer as they just creep in under the $68k rebate limit for QLD so drive away price is just over $60k after rebates. Same sort of money as Rav 4 Hybrid I think. Resale would no doubt be better for Rav4 but the Tesla sure is faster:)
Though the 4 yr 80,000klm warranty does not inspire confidence.
Sums it up.
RAV4 (highest specced) is better suspension, 1000km range and 10 year hybrid battery warranty. Only $215 per year for service.
I am convinced that significant proportion of Teslas will have major issues after their warranty runs out at 4 years. Even more once the 160k is done. Even within that period, you can expect significant range losses.
Which would depreciate more over the next 10 years? Anyones guess….
If I could, I would get a Tesla on lease and drive it like crazy and dump it before warraty it expired.
That's my thought - only lease but not buy EVs at the moment until the market/manufacturing matures. But it will still be a significant loss in value unlike guaranteed future value available from some ICE offering.
"Significant range losses" - complete FUD bs based on, literally, nothing but contrary evidence.
By significant I meant 12% at 8 years. This is a big deal for EVs because their batteries will weight a ton and won't work as well.
ICE won't lose range within that time frame and even if it did, just a quick 4 minute stop to refuel.
Some EV investors seem to believe that Tesla has invented new physics and their batteries don't degrate. This seems to be untrue.
@Naigrabzo: And they say you shouldn’t charge it more than 80% on a regular basis to avoid damaging the battery. So now you have a range of 68% of the max claimed from new.
@Brick Tamland: That's like ordering a loaf of bread and them saying you can only eat 80% of 80% of the WLTP loaf. :)
@Naigrabzo: Actually ICE does lose plenty over time in terms of fuel efficiency, its just not noticeable because you can fill your car with so much fuel.
@samfisher5986: Tru dat. My CRV 2011 with 200k gets only about 450km per tank these days. Prolly lost 10%? Not sure. Probably takes me 3 more seconds to fill up.
Yeah that’s interesting. Tesla buyers can justify the large upfront costs and higher depreciation due to cheaper running costs. By the time they do their dough upfront and loose their pants on resale the cheap running costs won’t seem so cheap if you lol at the whole cost of ownership.
I'd say so.
I think it might make sense if you were going to splash 61k on a ICE car though. Some of the higher priced offering will depreciate fast also.
What has convinced you of this? There's examples everywhere of Teslas doing great with hundreds of thousands of miles (not kms). And to think people are willing to jump on and be a guinea pig with a brand like BYD… Plus, where will hybrid tech be in 10yrs? Where was EV tech 10yrs ago!? You can guarantee a lot will change.
Good ol' tall poppy Tesla.
If Tesla's are so good, then warrant the battery for longer and car for longer than just 4 years. I suspect screen will go caput at 5 years. Then it's 4k for the screen replacement and you can't drive the car either. With my ICE car, I can drive it even if the screen breaks.
@bleemo: Yes. But they say that up to 30% loss is ok during this time. I don't know about you but I am not used to losing 30% range from my vehicles over such a short time. You could end up with a car that can only do 200km in one charge.
Also if motor fails after 4 years, then you are out of pocket! I know they say it will last ONE BILLION MILES. So then give the warranty for longer!
If the suggestion is that after 8 years just get a new car, this is not in keeping with protecting the environment. The car has huge amounts of embodied energy.
@Naigrabzo: After 8 years the car would at the very least still do 360km based on the shortest range unit being able to to 513km.. Not 200. And that is if you have the absolute worst wear possible, ACCORDING TO THE WARRANTY. Real worlds numbers are no-where near that - see below.
If you do some real reading on REAL user submitted data to the people actually researching this stuff. The average Tesla EV seems to have reached no more than 75% even after more than 10 years.
In kilometer terms after 370,000km battery wear seems to be more in the 82% of full capacity (18% loss).
This was on a study of over 500 cars.
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-d…
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-rep…
https://insideevs.com/news/664106/tesla-battery-capacity-deg…
And there's LOADS more.
Now, I've actually enjoyed your conversation very much - no lie, and I like people's opinions - makes me think.
You're now heading into flat out bias/speculation territory. So sorry to jump in, I wasn't going to but if the screen is really going to crap itself after five years and we're all going to be running around on 200km range after 8 years, I think it's time maybe you pull up some examples of that actually happening?
FYI I drive an ICE car and my next one will likely be ICE also. I'm EV agnostic and if my use case made an EV possible or desirable, I would absolutely consider one. Just doesn't suit me at the moment.
But your arguments simply don't hold water at the moment.
Someone above mentioned FUD - unfortunately you seem to be a person spreading it?
Please keep an open mind. I will miss the sound of a big V8 myself in the next decade no word of a lie, but that doesn't mean I'm going to tell fibs just to keep them on the road.
@Ramrunner: Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
I deliberately won't provide data because I want to stimulate the discussion and make people think. The best data is in the scientific literature/engineering literature.
There are enough people spewing nonsense like my Tesla is now at 101% battery after one year. These people don't realize that all things including Tesla has to follow known physics.
Your links are interesting and perhaps the first one is best although I think they are all highly biased data sets (self reporting) reported by people who have high stakes in the industry.
How does one determine bias in these studies? How do you know which data and which journals to believe?
I am also in the ICE camp but only because that's the only type of car that was available in the past. I am undecided about what will be the future but some of the excuses ( I need to take 35 minute toilet break every 2 hours etc are laughable) made by the EV investors make me laugh.
What are you thoughts about how ICE vs EV would hold value at 10 years in Australian conditions? My bet is that EVs will be losing heck of lot of value over the next 10 years due to new tech coming through, battery degradation, buyer distrust over buying abused cars, Chinese new comers literally falling to bits in our harsh conditions, lack of service in Teslas etc etc.
But I may be wrong though.
Thanks for your reply though. At least you didn't tell me that you can charge your car during the day while I am at work. :P
@Naigrabzo: "What are you thoughts about how ICE vs EV would hold value at 10 years in Australian conditions? My bet is that EVs will be losing heck of lot of value over the next 10 years due to new tech coming through, battery degradation, buyer distrust over buying abused cars, Chinese new comers literally falling to bits in our harsh conditions, lack of service in Teslas etc etc."
My thoughts are I agree. MAINLY the battery deg though, I mean let's be fair abused cars, the Chinese issue etc happpens in ICE also.
But yeah I find it hard to buy used Tesla as the CURRENT battery tech DOES degrade. Simple as that. I'm aware it doesn't happen as quickly as some reports say, but it would be in the back of my mind always :)
I think though that I would consider used, if there was a service that replaced the batteries with brand new before sale. Much like mobile phone refurbishment sort of thing.
@Ramrunner: Yeah true about the Chinese ICE cars. They will get it right though, and maybe they won't have such a long teething period like the legacy manufacturers either. My sincere hope is that they all use the same OEM parts suppliers etc. That way hopefully it won't fall to bits like crazy.
The question remains whether neighter ICE or EV will have any resale value in the future. My OZB instincts tell me to buy the cheapest car that you can get away with, to reduce losses. IE Toyota Corolla comes to mind.
I will still dream of resale value when I sold my 2004 Corolla 200k for $5500. I bought it for $17600 in 2005. Maybe those days will never come again.
The Tesla battery replacement will cost 15k (more depending on Aus Tax) minimum and it's questionable whether one would spend that sort of money on a car with 150k and 10 years old for example. Besides then the sale value would be at least twice that….. Would one buy a 10 year old Tesla for 30k with literally no service history. Something to think about.
Thanks op but I’m waiting on the roadster plaid spacex package
Don't hold your breath LOL
I’ve been HODLING since day 1 🚀
I hear you can buy that if you move to mars to spread ya seedz.
I already paid the $66000 non refundable deposit.
Does Elon throw in a free MAGA hat and bumper sticker with every car purchase?
MG must be terrifying for Tesla, no way they can compete on price, and to be fair, Tesla build quality in on par with MG at this stage.
MG4 is smaller, much slower to charge, no dedicated chargers. MG ZS is built on a ICE platform so crappy.
MG has 7 year unlimited km warranty though; very good!. I don't know their customer service.
Yes. All Chinese suppliers increased their quality to meet Tesla requirements. Now all EVs are same quality as Tesla.
Fortunately people rate a car by many factors other than price. Otherwise we'd all be driving MG. Nothing wrong with Tesla build quality out of China now for a long time.
Nasty dynamics, inefficient, outdated tech, ICE platforms, MG is really the bargain basement brand.
MG are the ones who should be terrified of BYD and the likes of new Chinese offerings. Watch MG's market share shrink as BYD come in with far superior purpose built EVs at competitive prices.
Tesla are innovators and always a step ahead of the rest in terms of efficiency and tech, different market.
Agree with this. Tesla are true innovators that's for sure.
BYD has electric specific platforms so probably superior to MG. Neither have a proven track record though. Both have expensive service for EVs.
Honestly its a great value deal. If you convert to USD can compare the price in USA.
during this sale in QLD I already snapped M3 Long Range. Very happy.
Not worrying about resale value or depreciation. Using the car 90% for work.
If something happens to the battery in 6-7 years I would be ready to replace and use the vehicle for another 5 years. Thats the long use saving plan with it.
I know its a big decision to move to EV. We will see. Time will tell,
Curious to see what happens to your battery if you use it for work.
High usage is not something Tesla (or any battery) will enjoy.
https://insideevs.com/news/694943/uber-driver-tesla-model-3-…
Battery woes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dartx7EoaQ
I wouldn't buy second hand. Especially with warranty and getting newer-designed components by buying a current gen new.
It would be so silly to buy a Tesla second hand. The previous buy most likely has abused the hell out of the battery. You can't really test these batteries so can't trust how it's gong to be.
why most likely?
This is what I would do. They are super fun to drive. Given they have held up value reasonably well so far. I would buy one, abuse the hell out of it and sell it at 4 years jsut before warranty runs out.
Remember that if the battery ever gets replaced, Tesla will only give you one year warranty on that battery. :)
https://insideevs.com/news/694943/uber-driver-tesla-model-3-…
The battery replacement cost $9k in USA so will be cost about $30k here especially due to high labour costs and typical Aus tax.
@Naigrabzo: 8,000 km/yr in my EV,and I drive gently with constant regen, never use my brakes. I think most ppl wouldn't thrash their car just cause they can. I know I don't.
However, my friend has a country home - and he drives his EV 30,000 km/yr. I can't imagine driving so much each yr.
@Naigrabzo: "The price also varies on the model of the car and whether you're after a long-range battery. One Australian Tesla owner received a $16,796.02 quote to replace a 2022 Model 3 battery."
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/can-tesla-batteries-be-re…
There's more links pointing to those sorts of prices. Your estimate of $30k may be a bit steep.
@Ramrunner: Why would a 2022 need a battery replacement and why wouldn't it be covered by warranty? Only scenario I could imagine would be a rideshare but that's an average of 500klm per day 365 days of the year as the LR batteries have a 180,000klm warranty.
@mauricem: According to the article :
"According to a Tesla service centre, Tesla owners need to lodge a support request to get an exact price.
The price also varies on the model of the car and whether you're after a long-range battery. One Australian Tesla owner received a $16,796.02 quote to replace a 2022 Model 3 battery."
Perhaps someone lodged an out-of-warranty request, just to see what the price was. Maybe the replacement was not covered by warranty, eg : due to a car accident damaging the battery, or water ingress damage when the car was flooded etc etc.
@dangerdanger: I'd read that article before and mentioned the $16k price earlier in the thread to try and correct all the $20k to $30k FUD that was being suggested.
Yep I suppose there are more scenarios like panel beater getting quotes, buying an accident damage vehicle, insurance void due to DUI unlicenced etc. Hard to imagine dropping $60k on a car and no insurance.
@dangerdanger: Lets say it is 16k as you say. Would it only be one year warranty??
Also
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/how-much-more-electric…
@Naigrabzo: You mean the article says $16k? I don't have a Tesla, and have no idea how much the battery costs or the warranty period
How do they compare with the MG EVs. A friend who travels widely with his work has used them a lot in Europe and the UK and he says they have a good reputation .
i still don't understand why people would buy electric cars. it is overpriced and does not save you money.
ICE cars are also overpriced given fuel costs…
You must ask yourself this question every time you see someone who decided to buy any new car other than an MG.
Some of us have jobs and earn a heap of money.
$5 for a full charge or tank with model Y and ~400km range is very expensive I know. What idiots everyone who buys one is.
Exactly.
And $0 for charge if you have solar / work charging.
And savings in servicing, brakes.
Yes, tyres needed more, but then again you'll be replacing tyres frequently if you buy a heavy ute.
Same argument why people diss solar (but now everyone wants solar).
People would joke about home batteries which are break-even after 10 yrs - but they don't realise a) home batteries are excellent during blackouts, b) less money to the fossil fuel cartel / mafia / overlords, c) better for your health and your fellow citizens.
Personally I like b) the most.
I like NOT giving a single cent more than I need to, to petroleum companies.
$0 charge is for people who only drive at night. :)
Also all those savings are lost in tyres and depreciation.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/how-much-more-electric…
It's break even at the end of the day I reckon.
@dangerdanger: Nah man. I am pro neither.
ICE problems are obvious because they have been around for longer. EV are less obvious.
Optics.
I know, ridiculous.
Horse and cart are cheaper <— I guarantee you'll pay $0 in petrol for your horse and cart.
You obviously do not own horses. We are averaging about $5k per year in vet visits, mandatory vaccinations, farrier visits gear etc etc.
Correct, but $0 petrol.
Maybe I should've said just 'walk'. 2 legs that you already have, unless you don't have legs.
Depends so much on the individuals circumstance.
If you want a car as an urban run-a-bout and you can afford a BEV then IMHO it is a no-brainer to get one, I wound buy one tomorrow if I could afford one.
On the other hand, if you tow or travel in remote and regional areas then BEVs are yet really suitable.
Hint. the https://www.plugshare.com/map/australia map is extremally deceptive and misleading . Many of the so called charging stations are things like "Power point inside the toilets. You will need a 3 meter power lead." .. in this case you are stealing power from the local sports club that owns the toilet.
Or "20Amp 3 phase generator Contact xxxxx on 08 xxx xxx in business hours to discuss access"
Every Tesla deal posted here seems to immediately generate a stream of responses that are critical of everything about these cars and EVs in general. If I was contemplating a new car and reading what's posted here about Teslas, I wouldn't even have them on the EV short list.
However, having owned a US-built Model 3 LR for 4 years, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one in the future. Despite the years, it's still any excuse to drive. I suspect most comments here are from those who haven't even driven an EV, let alone the Tesla they're finding so dreadful. FUD spreads faster than genuine knowledge.
I thought I'd heard every crazy anti-EV and fragile battery comment, but that's a new one :)
(For the record, most EVs have a BMS that controls battery temps. A heavy, dense battery in the shade under a car is hardly going to respond much to a hot day. Further, Tesla's BMS is very capable of keeping the battery within limits using various sources to heat and cool it, including the battery's energy to run the car's HVAC and motor stators, and residual drive motor and cabin heat. A Model 3 battery regularly gets warmer than your 'blistering' hot day during a rapid DC charge.)
So the BMS is active at all times? Physics would dictate that the battery starts to degrade immediately after it's manufactured and every second that it's exposed to adverse conditions.
So the Tesla is either defying physics or it's BMS is active ALL THE TIME using up it's battery??
If the BMS is active all the time, that's fine.
I am not talking about charging. I am talking about parking the car idle in very adverse weather such as extremely hot days or very cold days outside; both of which are common in Australia.
@Naigrabzo: It drains a little all the time while monitoring its condition, losing about 0.5% of charge every day if not plugged in and with no other features running.
@Wing Nut: Hey man, Understood. The question is how much does it get damaged every moment when it's in exteme temps.
For example it says that ideal temp for lithium batteries is 10 C.
If it's 30C for example on a summers day when parked outside (car not running), how much does it get damaged?
I am talking about permanent battery degradation not drain.
@Naigrabzo: I suspect it's minisule since I've never read of ambient temps being an issue in normal climes, from Norway to Nevada's extremes. A new EV will typically see an early small drop in capacity from charge/discharge cycles, freaking out the unaware, but then it almost levels out over years of useful EV life. With an 8 year >80% warranty, it's still a very capable vehicle in the worst case, but records show well managed EV batteries degrading way less than expected even in very high mileage taxis, airport shuttles, etc. However, eventually the cells might be remade into domestic storage batteries or, with over 95% recovery possible, recycled into raw material for new cells.
@Wing Nut: I hope you are right my man. For most people who buy these, 55k is nothing. It's not like they are struggling for the dosh nor care about saving a buck here and there.
For me, I don't like the idea of losing up to 20% over 8 years and being ok with it. Remember, for any road trips you only have 0.8 x 0.8 of capacity = 60% of WLTP capacity because you can't really be waiting to charge to 100%, therefore have to stop at 80%.
I take your point that the car may lose less but you have no recourse if it does lose up to the 20%. The so called warranty won't kick in.
My personal view is to treat these as quick use and discard type of electronics. Get rid of it in 4 years and get another. Make it someone elses problem when the push comes to shove.
@Naigrabzo: I'm very much into saving a buck here and there, hence I usually charge for free or better with solar and Amber wholesale power, also grabbing a free charge while at the shops. My last paid charge was 11 months ago.
As for degradation, a battery is very very unlikely to lose 20% before the car's sort of worn out, especially if it's a more recent (not an old Leaf) EV with a decent BMS. A Gold Coast-Brisbane airport shuttle guy has by now put over 500,000km on his Model S and overseas Tesla owners have even more kms on their original batteries that are still only ~12% degraded.
Most charging is done at home, often on cheap solar, and average daily commutes are reportedly less than 35km in Australian cities, so a weekly charge covers it. I've done several 40+C day 1000km interstate trips over 4 summers, leaving home on 100% and charge to 100% on a meal/loo break at a DC fast charger, where the meal usually takes longer than the charge. One typical trip is Lakes Entrance, through Melbourne to Adelaide, stopping at Moe, Ballarat and Keith for brekkie, lunch and a coffee/snack respectively, and arriving way more relaxed than in my previous Beemer.
@Wing Nut: Very interesting man. Thanks for the information. I didn't realise people stop for that long on road trips.
For me at least for the moment, I will pass.
For example, I drove Canberra-Sydney route recently. I went from Sydney to Canberra (with plenty of driving around) and got back with 160km left. No refuelling. Minimal stops for toilets etc or just to swap drivers. I feel if I made this trip in a EV (not necessarily even Tesla), I would be constantly thinking about charging etc. Instead I just enjoyed the trip. I get 5.3L/100km on my RAV4. I also paid 42k in 2022. Service is $215 per year.
I feel I am ahead in everyway at least for the moment.
@Naigrabzo: I've driven non-stop Adelaide to Melbourne (then rushed to find a loo!) in my previous 20yo Beemer, but the same trip in the Tesla is much more relaxing and enjoyable. I've just entered a trip plan from Adelaide to Melbourne and the planning app says one 33 minute charging stop in Horsham under current traffic/weather conditions, arriving with 15% charge, but there's usually a bladder in the car that would prefer another break :)
It's horses for courses and so we've still got a 20 year old rarely used ICE SUV in the garage. Our Model 3 does about 10,000km a year and so far this year it reports that it's cost $28 to charge. That was from a rare use of DC chargers.
However, it's actually less than that, but the Tesla app won't allow negative $/kWh entries for our home charging. Besides solar and a home battery, we're with Amber and when wholesale grid power prices drop below zero, I try to grab as much power as I can - get paid to charge - but the Tesla app can't go below zero $/kWh.
@Wing Nut: Fair call man.
I for one don't like to have forced stops for 30 minutes at a time and rush to find more charging when I actually get to my destination. I dislike asking my friends or relatives whether I can plug in to their house etc. Why should they foot the bill?
If I get somewhere and need to drive again, then it's a pain having to charge and find charge points.
Imagine road tripping during the long weekends though. Queue time…. :)
Most people don't realise it's a pain to road trip etc on a EV. They think that WLTP range is correct.
Almost 90% people don't realise that you can only charge to 80% of battery when road tripping.
This limits your range severely! :) Where is that 700km range guy gone to?
@Naigrabzo: I also used to hate stopping for fuel - a mad rush to pump, pay and a tactical wee. Often driving right through a small town looking for some U98 and then the lowest price, and finally a U-turn back to it :) It was a mindset on every road trip over my ICE car decades. Without any road trip 'cold turkey' in swapping to an EV, I'm more relaxed during the trip and at the end.
My planning app (ABRP) is showing a single charging stop between Adelaide and Melbourne at present. Just 31 minutes at Horsham, right next to food and loos, so hardly an inconvenience on a 750km trip. Tesla's app shows all Superchargers available enroute and it's easy to plan ahead or while underway.
I've done several interstate road trips between Adelaide - Melbourne, Adelaide - Mansfield and Adelaide - Lakes Entrance across the Christmas and NY holidays over the last 4 summers, but have never had to wait for a charger. New DC fast charging sites are being installed in many new locations at present, filling in gaps for shorter range EVs. Tesla has a planned Supercharger roll-out map, but they're installing more places at present than this plan shows.
I've not heard of this 80% charging restriction (Tesla's LFP batteries require 100% frequently to calibrate the BMS), although some charge networks/EVs do remind drivers when they reach 80%, since charging typically slows towards the end. At that point it's a courtesy to move on if someone's waiting. However, if no one is, I often charge to 100% on road trips so I can skip charging stops.
I avoid imposing on friends or family to charge if there's public charging nearby, however I have quietly slipped a $50 note into the brother-in-law's beer fridge on leaving, having used about $10 in power once and $30 in beer. New Superchargers in nearby Bairnsdale have since fixed that. Many hotels and motels provide EV charging points, usually complimentary if staying. I've used overnight hotel charging across Xmas/NY at Wangaratta, Portland, Rye and Port Augusta, and free charging while dining at wineries. Camp grounds would be my last resort, but they typically offer faster outlets. It's nice to get in the car the next day with a full 'tank'.
@Wing Nut: Thanks man. That's great information.
There are some consistencies about your information though.
AFAIK you can't charge your car in 31 minutes to 100%.
It takes the journey longer when you charge to 100% as opposed to 80% with more frequent stops of 31 minutes.
I was quoting 80% as I don't take one hour breaks when I drive long distance. I just let the other driver drive when I rest.
If you have sorted out all your destination charging out that's all good. For me personally, I'd rather not think at all about charging etc. For example when I go skiing I can go the entire trip and hardly ever think about filling up etc. If I think about it's about 5 minutes.
If I travel to Canberra to Wahroonga there are no destination chargers in that area. I don't want to hang around random places waiting for my car to charge or ask family to run extension cables. currently I can go to Wahroonga and return to Canberra without filling up.
Most people don't realise that the WLTP range is hyper inflated. Almost 99% don't realise that you can't practically charge to 100% when you travel long distances.
With my ICE vehicle no one imposes rules on whether I can fill up to 100% or not. Besides with 1000km range, 5 minutes fill up times I don't care either way.
@Naigrabzo: Not everyone would find an EV convenient as their only car. Those living remotely, frequent country trips, apartment dwellers and those with certain pasttimes (towing range) come to mind, but most city commuters and school-run parents drive only 30 - 50km per day. A weekend charge (preferably from solar/off-peak) will top it up for the coming week. Besides, 2 cars seem the norm in suburbia with a cheap ICE for occasional use. That's our choice, however a lumbering 3.2ltr 20yo SUV is best not taken too far :)
On the Whirlpool forum there's a Model 3 LR and Porsche Cayenne owner on the Northern Beaches who's a keen surfer and skier who prefers taking the Tesla to the beach and to the snow. He only charges once on the return and reports charger crowding in winter has eased thanks to more stalls and new locations. Having lived in Wahroonga and Hornsby Heights, I'm surprised there's been so few DC chargers in the area until now. However, Plugshare shows Asquith BP now open, and Waitara and St Ives Ampol sites under construction, ready before Xmas.
After saying I often charge to 100% on road trip stops, I just checked what that trip planner had suggested on a Adelaide - Melbourne road trip. Its 31 minute Horsham charging stop actually only tops me up to 82%, not 100%. I could go with that, or less, but if I'm not in a rush and still eating lunch, I'd linger and arrive in Melbourne more refreshed with about 35%.
@Wing Nut: Thanks man. That makes sense.
As a second car 60k this is perfect.
ASquith,St IVes are too far for me. Other people might be happy to go there and wait for 31 minutes or more. I am not. I am often in Sydney during time limited trips etc.
I will re iterate this again. When I drive long distances, I don't need one hour lunch or 31 minute lunch. I can have lunch in 7 minutes, 2 minute toilet stop and let the other driver drive. In theory, with a large bottle, the car can be driven continuously with 3 minute fuel stops.
Most negative comments are from people frustrated in not being able to afford one.
Most positive comments are from people who are invested in it. Normal human behaviour.
Me too. I've got a US built Model 3 Performance and couldn't be happier with it.
I used to be anti EV until I actually drove one. I rented a Tesla while on holiday purely so I could see what it's like and be able to talk about the pros/cons intelligently. I honestly expected to hate it. I was so impressed by it that I bought one.
My previous car was a V8 Commodore so I'm far from an environmentalist. I bought the Tesla because it's a good car. That's the only reason.
There are legitimate criticisms of Teslas, but most of the stuff that you hear is just total crap from people who have never even sat in one, let alone driven or owned one.
True man. It's fun to drive indeed. I got dizzy when I test drove two of the models for two hours. One can zoom around round abouts like it's nothing. I found things to rattle though but I think this is because it's really quiet otherwise.
Insurance, tyre replacement and depreciation will make it on par with ICE total cost of ownership.
It's great as a second car though. I do feel for people who go on road trips during long weekends where chargers may have lines on them.
Seems to be no inventory stock in WA unless I'm doing something wrong. DOH.
No stock in WA for at least a month. No more old models coming either. We are out of luck :(
This discount almost makes it worth flying east to buy one and sending it over on a truck.
Not sure if I can work out the administrative side of such though.
Yeah over the weekend people seemed to be trigger happy (myself included). Sorry for contributing to inflation folks.
I don't blame ya. This is a good deal!
You might as well go for the Model Y over the Model 3 as both are very ugly cars while the Y is cheaper and more functional.
Model Y is more expensive.
Model Y is more uggo though.
Currently loving my 2022 Model 3 coming from my previous Ice vehicle and now not really having to worry about regular maintenance or fuel costs and the performance/instant torque is a bonus. Works well for me having a solar/battery setup and working from home most of the time means I can trickle charge for free using excess solar.
Excellent set up.
I'm in the same situation. Was thinking I need a 7kW or 22kW wall charger at home, but I've been using a normal powerpoint (~2kW) to charge from, and I've forgotten about getting a wall charger
As an owner of a 2022 Model 3 Long Range, if you can afford it I would highly recommend upgrading to the LR for an extra $10K at $67,580 .
You get more range, better sound system, and a nail biting 0-100 in 4.4 seconds.
The LR is known to depreciate the least out of all 3 versions too, something else in its favour.
Plus you can get acceleration boost for $3k and get the 0-100 down to 3.9 seconds.
The acceleration boost is So worth it. Best $3K I ever spent on a tune up that improved the performance by so much. Instant smile on your face :-)
Read the comment again. 😅