If you found home intruder, is it legal to do this? Is there any good alternatives?
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Lol you guys are hilarious, making tea? Killing weed? Hopefully I can come up with more lame posts to keep everyone entertained
Is It Legal to Throw Boiling Water to Protect Your Property
SoapyWooder on 27/10/2023 - 12:24
Last edited 28/10/2023 - 20:11 by 1 other user
Last edited 28/10/2023 - 20:11 by 1 other user
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yes but with Xiaomi or Kogan Wifi Kettle then home automation can only boil kettle when movement is detected outside
4D HOME DEFENSE
Hold up let me go to the park BBQ next to my house and boil some soup on it
this is why i have a boiling pot of water on the stove 24/7…you just never know
Where are you throwing it?
Like with any other untrained person using a self defence weapon in a stressful situation… mostly all over themselves… :D
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I expected this lol
YES !
Wait there are moderators on ozbargain.
Do they get paid.
I know some do. But
Are the Whirlpool mods paid?
No, they just meet up once a week to give each other reach arounds.
@Switchblade88: Suggest he add his grievance to the multiple 'I strongly dislike Whirlpool mods' threads and move on
Instead of putting the kettle on, you could spray their face with a dry powder fire extinguisher or long-reach wasp spray.
One benefit of the fire extinguisher is you'll have a metal canister to knock "things" out of the way as you get out.
One benefit of the fire extinguisher is you'll have a metal canister to knock "things" out of the way as you get out.
That's what the Model M keyboard is for.
Great, the active ingrediant will affect all manager of pests :)
Be careful though, if you throw a match on someone covered in dry power (from a fire extinguisher) and there is no fire, it's super flammable and they could get seriously hurt.
Be careful though, if you throw a match on someone covered in dry power (from a fire extinguisher) and there is no fire, it's super flammable and they could get seriously hurt.
Are you thinking of dust explosions? They require combustible dust to occur, e.g. organic powders like cinnamon and flour.
Fire extinguisers use monoammonium phosphate which is not flammable even in a dust cloud, for obvious reasons.
Someone could get seriously hurt while trying to clean up the mess of powder though. It's a pain to have to vacuum and wash everything, but better that than possible serious injury I suppose.
😆 I'm just trolling. It's almost sounds believable if it was not so ridiculous. Flammable fire extinguishers hhahahahaha
@The Wololo Wombat: Haha right, I wasn't sure especially after the news about that Danish guy who accidentally caught fire after that cinnamon dust tradition. :)
Legal? I doubt it as it would not be deemed a reasonable response to the situation.
It would be reasonable if you just happened to be carrying a pot of boiling water with both hands and the burglar just happened to be coming through the door!
That situation sounds like it was accidental.
Could probably pay the compensation to the intruder under your Public Liability insurance.Unless OP can see the future, it would be pretty hard to plan to have a pot of boiling water ready for when he/she might expect a burglar to come in! 🤣
The trick is to make sure he can never talk again so as long as you don't have CCTV in your camera, who's to say what the assailant did or not do to provoke self defence via hot water
if you found an intruder in your house, it can be argued you're trying to protect your life and not your property
Were they threatening the resident?
Nah they just broke in to vacuum the the carpet for them. srsly?
There are plenty of reports where people inadvertently (i.e. usually drunk) enter the wrong house.
@GG57: Sure, but there are infinitely more where they aren't, the people on the scene need to make an assessment and if the criminal doesn't leave when told to then they are there to cause trouble and possibly violence.
@EightImmortals: Your story has already assumed that the person in the house is a criminal, but the other part of your statement says that the people on the scene need to make an assessment. You have acknowledged that there are some instances where the resident may not be at risk.
As I said, were they threatening the resident?
Obviously the answer could be yes, could be no, could be not sure yet. I'll put the kettle on anyway, just to be sure.@EightImmortals: Doesn't sugar make the boiling water stick / burn more?
That's what I've heard from prison stories.
@GG57: Anyone entering your house when they are NOT invited to is a criminal. Does not matter if it’s by mistake or not, they are trespassing. You would not like random people walking into your house high on drugs with your family there so why should you not defend yourself and your family..
@pharkurnell: Well, the obvious question would be, what would you do if you found someone in your house (assuming you don't have boiling water at the ready)?
Would you initially shout at them to get out or similar? What would you do if they appeared confused or didn't react to your instruction?
Or would you just immediately go down the path of violence and sort out the outcomes later?
"just a minute while a boil the kettle"
Is this Hell's kitchen? Boil water, prepare eggs…
Adorable. Keep up the English lessons buddy!
I prefer to use acid rather than boiling water
You're going to damage your house. Better to dig out and cement-line a dungeon, buy a bandsaw, shave off a couple of mm a day, then give the dog away when you run out and he starts looking at you funny.
just smother your face with a cake, pretending to be Mrs Doubtfire, then shout "Helllloo!" and ask them would they care for a cuppa tea
tell them sit and make themself at home, then surprise them with your cuppa hot tea ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Is the intruder meant to butter the scones while we all wait for the water to boil.
Don't forget whipping the cream as well!
I'm pretty sure it would be legal to throw a pot of sloppy diarrhoea at their head.
The taste will be so bad, they won't be able to concentrate for 5 minutes. Meanwhile you can call the police.
If you're expecting an intruder, you should take a laxative beforehand so that you can bend over and unleash a gigantic eruption of fresh diarrhoea out of your butt-cheek crevice.
Username checks out
Depending on the state, you might be able to detain them until police arrive, but any damage you do to them puts you on the line
You can detain a home invader in any state, and use any force reasonable to do this.
easier to detail them in your own state, rather than take them to another state
Do it next time you confront a burglar and let us know what the outcome is.
I was told on an occasion when posing the same question to a couple of police sergeants.
Their response was use reasonable force (whatever it may be) to subdue them and prevent harm to yourself & family, but leave something alive for us to take away.
How "alive" are we talking here ? Enough to give a detailed response to the question "define nuclear fission" OR "Ok, your pupils are "sort of" reactive" ? 🤣🤣
How about soapy water instead? (see OP's username) And make it really bubbly to confuse the intruder.
Given OP's username, this could also be used https://www.amazon.com/Turn-Personal-Lubricant-Balanced-Hypo…
OP: Worst trick or treat house ever.
With very few exceptions it's not legal at all in Australia to have any kind of weapon for use in self-defense, including pots of boiling water.
If it happened in the moment though, you were attacked in your kitchen and the water happened to just be on the stove at the time, then you may get away with it, if it was reasonable in the circumstances.
Can't believe a mod would remove a poll but not the entire thread.
They don't want to throw cold water on people posting.
This is the kind of cleverness JV aspires for.
Only useless polls are removed, not useless threads.
what was the pol?
Low effort shitpost. tsk tsk OP.
A cup of boiling water with several added table spoons of jam would do the trick.
do you throw it at them while yelling JAM THIS INTO YA
There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry
To protect your property… probably not.
To protect your person… maybe.
As long as it's not pasta water.
if there is an intruder, if you dare, you need to make them disappear.
I remember back in my country, he was my old neighbour and if there was an intruder and got caught, the intruder sure is dead and disappear.
Back in the days talking 20+ years ago now my mates mum did this, my mates older brother was hanging around shady people (we where all shady back then but some more than others) who the mum didn't like and they where downstairs talking shit and she got a boiling pot of water and threw it at them. Keep in mind my mates brother use to hit his mum and sister so i can understand why she done it.
I must admit I ran over someone in self defence. Now had I reversed and finished the job I'd be locked up. Man it was tempting.
Think about it carefully if you were entering someone's property and boiling water was thrown on your face and now your screaming and the paramedics ask the nature of the injury and then the police are involved a investigation will be required and you'll be charged first but the intent of the injury will determine your crime, if the courts believe you did it in the best interest of protecting your child from a dog, or someone sure, but if you attacked them first because of protecting your property you'll be charged with assault.
The law doesn't protect property, (only insurance) only assess human behaviour.
Yeah but think about it this way; if someone is intruding someone else's house they are likely poor and of low socioeconomic status so will need to consider carefully any legal costs if they choose to go to court. OP's house will appreciate at orders of magnitude greater than the current cost of legal fees, in 20-30 years' time the amount of money paid to legal fees today will be something like 0.000000001% of the equity built over that time. OP can definitely afford to go to court. If the home intruder decides they want to go to court they will likely lose because the won't be able to afford good lawyers unlike OP and will likely lose, so over the long run they'll be going backwards at an exponential rate whilst OP will be going forwards at an exponential rate.
/s (obviously)
It depends, while what you described is America, however in Australia property damage is dependent on:
A) was the car driving into the bedroom while the driver was drunk, is so they fill be charged, however if they had a heart attack no, the owner will be at a loss.
B)Was the property burnt down deliberately while a bush fire was happening where the individual wishes to rob the property, there for proving a outcome under a complex situation would result in the courts dismissing it, but if there was no bushfire but the individual's intent is to burn the house, and the partner or witness hears it, then if no crime was not committed police stil need to investigate but having a witness will tell the police officer to inform the victim how they with to proceed and there's no guarantee the courts will press charges but will need to investigate, however you look at it, this scenario is complex.
C) The house owner was(stabbed, but not limited to, punching, ect) there for if no witness proving such crime happened can still be difficult, it's predetermined once you've been unconsciousness that police must proceed to apprehend this individual from the community, but damage to the property is not the courts problem however police must work with other services to assess the area be it a crime scene or structural damage that could harm the community.
Why are they likely poor and low socioeconomic status? House owner could have stolen something valuable from rich intruder and he is breaking in to retrieve it.
House owner could be blackmailing intruder and wealthy intruder decides best way is to silence him forever
House owner could have killed intruders family and intruder is breaking in to get revengeGuess you missed the /s at the end of my comment.
if the courts believe you did it in the best interest of protecting your child from a dog, or someone sure, but if you attacked them first because of protecting your property you'll be charged with assault.
I know people make a joke about how OP has time to boil water, but lets just switch to a knife instead…if there as an intruder in my house, how do I know they're not going to harm me? It'd be best to get one up them…waiting to see if it's appropriate seems pretty ridiculous to me.
dont forget to finish the job and smash their head in with the pot
What? An intruder? Oh no officer, you are mistaken, he is my friend and I'm teaching him how to cook pasta. He slipped and had a few pots of boiling water fall on top of him.
You cannot harm another person regardless if they are damaging your property,
But you can throw boiling water anywhere in your house without looking. Accidents do happen!
But you can throw boiling water anywhere in your house without looking.
Not really…
Why not
Because if anyone gets hurt, you are liable.
Umm just a question dude, You just realised that someone broke into your property, and the first thought you got is " Umm Let me Boil some water " - that takes like IDK 5-15 mins depending on your heat source. You bloody really think that is the best way, 😂 . You waste more time boiling water than telling the intruder to go away.
Or you talking about those instant hot water getting from those stored hot water tanks ??
I'd personally say look into like fart sprary or some $h!t like that.
Do a britney spears and dance with knives and say you were dancing and they simply were in your way.
Make sure to use the bbq in the park next door to boil the water
Depends if the intruder was a crab…
or a Rock Lobster.
Is It Legal to Throw Boiling Water to Protect Your Property
No, not to protect property.
I would use whatever I can (e.g boiled water if it was ready). I am not going to wait for the intruder's next move to know whether they are friendly or aggressive. It's a difficult situation specially if you have kids.
Exactly how the heck is boiling water gonna be ready ?? did like OP already have knowledge that person gonna come soon, so I better start boiling some water now hah ?? (or just happened to have e.g. OP was boiling water for tea, or coffee etc. and randomly got this stranger, but again this amount of water should not be too much as normal people dont boil like 2L+ water for some 1 glass of drink)
Or OP like thinking of watiing 5-10 mins for boiliing water in some important time situation ?. I cannot stop laughing 😂 like how did this idea come to OP's mind ??
There's surely other more effective ways to protect property from intruders than getting a hot boiling water source.
Boiling oil much more effective but harder to clean up
Pointless post removed? What was it? Where did one determine what is and isn't pointless? Asking for a friend.
It highly depends I am sure there could be some super specific scenario where it was consider reasonable force or even accidental but vast majority of scenarios it wouldn’t be legal.
People seem to be misguided or flat out ignorant to their rights when someone trespasses onto their property or poses a potential physical threat to their person or family. They seem to be under the view of they can do whatever they want like if some ding dong crossed onto their property without their permission that suddenly their property is now the purge. it sure as shit isn’t. Can’t go blasting a mother (profanity) in the face with the illegal shotgun you keep in the shed just because you caught him trying to Hotwire your project car. Far as the law and most reasonable folk in society are concerned even a scum bags like that life is worth more than your car.
Same as someone attempting to physically harm you, it doesn’t suddenly become some underground cage fight where two men enter and only one may leave, even in self defence the force used must be reasonable. Can’t snap someone neck just cause they slapped you.
We live in a society of laws, the same laws that protect you are there to protect all life in society even the scum bags. Trust me you don’t want the alternative most of us would not fair well.
@GG57: Or kettle plugged into neighbour's powerpoint.