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[Preorder] Raspberry Pi 5 4GB £49.42 (A$94.10), 8GB £65.83 (A$125.35) + £12 (A$22.85) Delivery @ The Pi Hut

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[Preorder] Raspberry Pi 5 4GB £49.42 (A$94.10), 8GB £65.83 (A$125.35) + £12 (A$22.85) Delivery @ The Pi Hut
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TeddyBear on 28/09/2023 - 17:02 thepihut.com (2726 clicks)
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Pi Hut is currently taking preorders for the RPI 5 at RRP. Note that the Raspberry Pi foundation recommends a 5V 5A 27W USB-C power supply. The optional high power adapter is required when using high power draw peripherals; the Pi 5 draws ~3w at idle and 6w under high CPU load. Limit 1 per customer.

Featuring a 64-bit quad-core Arm Cortex-A76 processor running at 2.4GHz, Raspberry Pi 5 delivers a 2-3x increase in CPU performance relative to Raspberry Pi 4! Raspberry Pi 5 also brings with it a huge list of great new features and improvements, making this the best Raspberry Pi yet!

Specifications:

  • Broadcom BCM2712 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU, with cryptography extensions, 512KB per-core L2 caches and a 2MB shared L3 cache

  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2

  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI® display output with HDR support

  • 4Kp60 HEVC decoder

  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch)

  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi®

  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)

  • microSD card slot, with support for high-speed SDR104 mode

  • 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation

  • 2 × USB 2.0 ports

  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT)

  • 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers

  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals (requires separate M.2 HAT or other adapter)

  • 5V/5A DC power via USB-C, with Power Delivery support

  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin header

  • Real-time clock (RTC), powered from external battery

  • Power button

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  • PainToad on 28/09/2023 - 17:34
    +15

    RPI 5 at RRP

    So what’s the bargain?

    • codyy on 28/09/2023 - 17:35
      +27

      stock

      • Franc-T on 29/09/2023 - 10:20
        +7

        Its a pre-order. They dont have stock yet anymore than any other retailer.

        • codyy on 29/09/2023 - 11:09
          -7

          Relax champ

    • Marto77 on 28/09/2023 - 20:54
      +2

      Mmm… Raspberry Pi

  • flagsarefun on 28/09/2023 - 17:34
    +2

    I’m glad I held off grabbing the recent restock of RPi 4

  • RichardL on 28/09/2023 - 17:42
    +12

    ETA Prime just uploaded a YouTube video on the Pi 5.

    Even the Pi 5 removed headphone jack…

    • BargainKen on 28/09/2023 - 18:01
      +1

      Dongle?

      • smartazz104 on 28/09/2023 - 18:13

        Mst people would probably pull sound from the hdmi ports anyway…

        • G-rig on 29/09/2023 - 04:27

          USB to DAC but it's a dedicated music steamer.

          • McOzbargainer on 29/09/2023 - 14:59

            @G-rig: if you wanted proper audio, you'd use a DAC anyway rather than the builtin

            • G-rig on 29/09/2023 - 22:19
              +1

              @McOzbargainer: Lol they are two different devices. The pi is streamer USB output into the DAC (see message above).

              Also look up rme adi 2 fs while you are at it ;)

              • rumblytangara on 29/09/2023 - 23:29

                @G-rig: If you wanted proper audio with a pi, you'd use something like an AES HAT to be a source to a DAC.

                Though there are also DAC HATs.

                • G-rig on 29/09/2023 - 23:58

                  @rumblytangara: Lol you go no idea.
                  No need for this hats and Optical these days.
                  I know all about that stuff

                  • Budju on 01/10/2023 - 16:51

                    @G-rig: Why is S/PDIF obsolete?

                    • Nom on 01/10/2023 - 18:37
                      +1

                      @Budju: Because it can't carry modern audio formats, and unless you use lossy DD/DTS it's limited to 2-channel audio - it's long been replaced by HDMI.

                      • Budju on 01/10/2023 - 19:03

                        @Nom: I'm not arguing against the use of HDMI. Old mate said that USB digital signal has usurped S/PDIF, and I asked him why he say that.

                        • G-rig on 02/10/2023 - 10:23

                          @Budju: I am referring to using USB for audio no doubt everyone on here is connecting to their tv for movies or something.

                          USB is my preferred option, can stream hi res up to 24 bit 192kHz (or even PCM/DSD 768 kHz). No fuss transport for what I want.

                          If you were connecting a cd player or something then optical is fine, or from a TV).

                          Not that hard to believe..

      • ColonialBoy on 29/09/2023 - 02:16

        Bluetooth.

    • klrrider1 on 28/09/2023 - 18:19
      +3

      I watched the You Tube video.

      I am now recovering from acronym overload!

    • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 18:22
      +10

      If you are after a bit more tech info:

      Raspberry Pi 5: EVERYTHING you need to know from Jeff Geerling

      In short, it gives Pi a much needed CPU performance boost though it is still behind the competition. No PCIe gen 3 m.2 SSD support, nor 8K output support. It is competitively priced compared to other similar offering. However, fire sale on Mini PCs can give Pi 5 a hard time (unless low power usage is very important to you).

      • bleeder on 28/09/2023 - 18:56

        Is there an advantage to using Pi over competitors or does it just have the brand name advantage?

        • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 19:25
          +10

          Mainly the software support and community. For example, competing boards are claiming 4K/60Hz capture, but there is no software support for that and despite being more powerful, have glitchy OS support. It's useless if the hardware can do it, but there is no app or buggy app that you cannot use that feature.

          With Pi, there is a larger community so you can just download and install things and they will work properly. There are also a lot more Web pages / documentation for Pi. However, Pi 5 does need some time to iron out compatibility issues. Some apps are yet to properly support Pi 5 (even though they support Pi 4).

          For example, Jeff has other SBCs which are more powerful, but you will find him and many other youTubers reviewing mini PCs and SBCs spend more time and churn out more videos for Pi 5.

        • ColonialBoy on 29/09/2023 - 02:18
          +2

          Specific software.

          FlightAware and Home Assistant are problematic on other SBCs.

      • Masakari on 28/09/2023 - 19:16
        +12

        "No 8k output support"… who would use a PI to drive an 8K display?

        • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 19:20
          +3

          Don't take it out of context. I was referring to competition. Competing SBCs are offering 8K out and 4K capture. Pi 5's 4K/60Hz is roughly the same as Pi 4. Pi 5 now does 2 x 4K@60Hz HDR. In short, some corners are still cut for Pi 5 on the GPU side.

        • ChatCPT on 28/09/2023 - 20:02
          +4

          Who has 8k TVs? Lol

          • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 20:30
            -2

            @ChatCPT: So, when TV shopping, being able to bring a SBC with a powerbank to try out 8K is totally useless?

            4K 60Hz capture is also completely rubbish?

          • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 20:48

            @ChatCPT: ARM processor reference design has 8K support for at least 2 years now. Sure, Pi5's custom chip doesn't follow that, but that also means we need to watch out for its video codec decoding support.

          • WhyAmICommenting on 28/09/2023 - 22:17
            +2

            @ChatCPT: Probably Alan Joyce

        • xmagic on 28/09/2023 - 20:39

          Already seen commercial projects to use SBCs (RK3588-based) to drive 8K displays, with 4G/5G cellular and remote provisioning. Way cheaper, efficient and effective than a industrial PC box behind its back.

      • xmagic on 28/09/2023 - 20:47

        It is competitively priced compared to other similar offering

        I doubt there will be true general availability for it for the foreseeable future. If count in the actual price likely to pay, SBCs with S922X/RK3588 will likely be a much more sustainable choice.

        • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 20:55
          +1

          RK3588 SBCs software support is still lacking and glitchy. Also, they are overpriced. Wifi not included as standard. Where's the working 4K/60Hz video capture?

          Considered I waited nearly a year to have a RK3588 SBC delivered, I doubt getting a Pi5 will take that long.

          These are just toys. We'll use Ryzen 7000 series, Intel 13th gen or Mac M2 Pro/Max/Ultra for real power hungry work.

          • xmagic on 28/09/2023 - 21:03

            @netsurfer: Software and community support has always been a strong suit for RPis.

            Due to significant performance and IO differences I have to say RK3588 products are totally not in the same tier as Pis. Just can't deny HDMI 2.1/8K is quite a expensive feature to support on SBCs, at least on what we can see now on the market.

    • Vecernik87 on 28/09/2023 - 21:50

      wow, Thanks for headsup. Gonna have to stock up with 4th version.

    • noisymime on 29/09/2023 - 08:40

      The audio output from those on Pi3 and 4 was pretty terrible anyway, constant noise on them if you were using the wifi.

  • deepfriedchips on 28/09/2023 - 17:45
    +2

    Keen for the inevitable Pi500.

    • tharlow on 28/09/2023 - 18:02

      Won’t happen

      • xmagic on 28/09/2023 - 20:35
        +2

        I agree - the most significant upgrade for Pi 5 is its IO design, and none of them is practical in the form factor of a Pi500

        Unless they make it a whole package - a Laptop or sort

  • robo11 on 28/09/2023 - 17:50
    +1

    You can also preorder or signup to preorder from most Aussie retailers too.

    • RichardL on 28/09/2023 - 18:35
      +7

      Core Electronics (Sign up to get notified when it's available to order.)

      • chromium on 28/09/2023 - 19:09
        +1

        I wonder if they'lll let me know they're available a day or so late like the last thing I asked to be notified about

  • Circly on 28/09/2023 - 18:01

    What sorta gaming performance can we expect?

    GameCube / PS2 level?

    • ChatCPT on 28/09/2023 - 20:03

      480p

  • Commodore64 on 28/09/2023 - 18:11
    +17

    25 watts.. at what point did the PI not become low power anymore?
    (I love the Pi as much as anyone but seems like intel N series SOC are more efficient)

    • tharlow on 28/09/2023 - 18:19
      +8

      They made a business decision to finally compete with the Commodore 64

      • WhyAmICommenting on 28/09/2023 - 22:19
        +1

        Funny, but I’d love to know the orders of magnitude of processing power difference!

        Edit: seems to be 1mhz vs 2400mhz (2.4ghz)

    • Namidairo on 28/09/2023 - 18:27

      At least the USB port will be wired up properly this time if it requires that much power, unlike the early revisions of the 4b.

    • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 19:02

      4 USB ports, 2 cameras to power, there is also GPIO pins to power. Furthermore, this time there is a PCIe gen 2 connector.
      Idle power is comparable to Pi 4 (with no USB devices connected to it of course).

    • ChatCPT on 28/09/2023 - 20:04

      Just get a mini PC
      SSD
      Huge cpu performance
      Same price
      Same power

      • Sirajs on 28/09/2023 - 20:13

        Wouldn't mini PC still consume lot more power than Pi5

        • Commodore64 on 28/09/2023 - 20:16

          Not necessarily. Look at the N95/N100

          • eddyah on 28/09/2023 - 21:31

            @Commodore64: Under idle these low power ARM chips typically perform better. Lots of things happening then sure power draw is pretty much the same

          • Sirajs on 28/09/2023 - 22:11

            @Commodore64: My main purpose for using Pi would be PiHole or using as NAS.
            Will I be able to do that on N95/100?

            • Commodore64 on 28/09/2023 - 22:21

              @Sirajs: Absolutely.
              Better yet you can run Proxmox or VMware.
              The amount of deals for N95 pcs lately has been crazy.

              • Sirajs on 28/09/2023 - 23:47

                @Commodore64: Sorry for being Noob,
                Will there be much of power difference in terms of N95 and Pi5?

                • noisymime on 29/09/2023 - 08:46
                  +1

                  @Sirajs: The N95 will idle at about 5x the power of the Pi 5. Around 12w vs 2.5w. It’s not a huge amount of power either way, but might be a factor for you.

                  • desync on 30/09/2023 - 11:27

                    @noisymime: 12w idle seems a bit high

                    have a much older i5 lenovo tiny with a 35w processor running as a router/firewall/ips/etc and its only sucking down 9w according to the power meter

                    maybe im wrong but i would have though these new CPUs would be far more efficient than an old haswell

                    • G-rig on 30/09/2023 - 11:40

                      @desync: Raspberry pi 4b seems good for $90 plus a few accessories, don't need a PC running for what I want, can leave this on 24/7.

                    • rumblytangara on 30/09/2023 - 13:19

                      @desync: My Pi is doing about 3W.

                      How'd you get a second NIC running in a Thinkcentre Tiny- did you hack something into the case or are you using an ethernet dongle?

                      FWIW last Pi 4 I measured is running at 3W.

                      • Nom on 30/09/2023 - 16:52

                        @rumblytangara:

                        How'd you get a second NIC running in a Thinkcentre Tiny

                        Plenty of options : you can use a USB3 NIC, you can put a NIC into the MiniPCI and/or NVMe slots, or you can just not even bother with a second NIC and just use two different VLANs for WAN/LAN traffic on the same NIC.

                        • rumblytangara on 30/09/2023 - 17:14

                          @Nom: I was wondering which option you'd chosen specifically. (Most people who use an usff desktop seem to settle for a USB dongle)

                      • desync on 30/09/2023 - 22:21
                        +1

                        @rumblytangara: yeah just a $10 1Gbps ethernet dongle for the WAN connection

      • GlobalCitizen on 28/09/2023 - 22:23

        Hey bro, any recommendations for mini PC?

    • SickDmith on 28/09/2023 - 20:48
      +1

      at what point did the PI not become low power anymore?

      At the same point where it stopped being "$5 computer". :)

    • TeddyBear on 29/09/2023 - 11:22
      +3

      The original statement on the official Pi webpage was somewhat misleading. Peak power draw of the CPU will be significantly less: 3w idle and 6w at load.

      It seems the recommendation of a 5V 5A adapter is a worst case scenario when using higher power peripherals in conjunction with the full performance of the SoC.

    • desync on 30/09/2023 - 11:24
      -1

      these pi's are too expensive with the ex-business tiny pcs available

      using one as a router/firewall and it's only sucking around 9w

      probably not that much more than this pi doing the same job

  • hamwhisperer on 28/09/2023 - 18:11
    +4

    No av1 decode, I'm embarrassed for them.

    Nope, no more pi for me. I run VMS on proxmox now to do half the pi stuff I used to.

    Was great to learn Linux originally but no thank you anymore.

    Salute

    • PainToad on 28/09/2023 - 18:30
      +4

      Proxmox is the way.

    • Yumi on 28/09/2023 - 18:41
      +5

      No av1 decode

      To be fair, only relatively recent SoCs have it. RPi tends to be a few generations behind bleeding edge for low price.
      (also SBCs, in general, seem to be a few gens behind what you can get in phones, even if you ignore price)

      You're not getting any new system for ~$100 that has hardware AV1 decode.

      • hamwhisperer on 28/09/2023 - 19:06

        Sure but it was completed in 2018.

        It's time for hardware adoption of it

        • Yumi on 28/09/2023 - 20:46
          +5

          It doesn't work that way. Once the spec is complete, an ASIC needs to be designed, verified, integrated into an SoC, fabbed etc. This typically takes several years - hardware has a long development cycle.

          Also for reference: the Cortex A76 core used in RPi5 was launched in 2018. You'll find most cheap SBCs/tablets etc aren't using anything newer.

          • hamwhisperer on 29/09/2023 - 09:01

            @Yumi: Hardware decode is rapidly being added to cheaper and cheaper devices.

            I'm sure technically you're totally right, but to me, a product basically coming in 2024, which is VERY OFTEN USED FOR MEDIA and they tend to only refresh every 3 to 4 years?

            No av1 no sale.

            Also did they add crypto module yet? I recall the pi3 and and 4 couldn't do routing with VPN well for pfsense or opnsense, due to lack of crypto in hardware.

            • rumblytangara on 29/09/2023 - 09:31

              @hamwhisperer:

              Also did they add crypto module yet? I recall the pi3 and and 4 couldn't do routing with VPN well for pfsense or opnsense, due to lack of crypto in hardware.

              iirc OPNSense and pfSense are totally unsuited for a Pi anyway given that up till now, all IO including USB went through the SOC, it only has one ethernet jack, and both are based on FreeBSD which will not run on the Pi.

              The Pi is used as a common platform for Wireguard servers though.

              There are other SBCs with dual or quad ports which can be used to run common routing software.

            • jsch on 29/09/2023 - 09:42
              +1

              @hamwhisperer: I believe it does have the crypto module now. Jeff Geerling's video has benchmarks that showed crazy performance improvements with cryptographic instructions (nearly 50x if I recall).

          • trongy on 29/09/2023 - 10:19
            +3

            @Yumi: The Pi's have always licensed lower spec ARM CPU cores, but the video decoder has always been decent because the original Raspberry Pi was based on a chip developed for set top boxes and Videocore has always been developed in house at Broadcom. Raspberry Pi founder Ebon Upton was one of the developers when he worked at Broadcom.

            The new Pi 5 has is the first Broadcom chip the the latest iteration of the graphics processor - Videocore 7. I think Broadcom could have included AV1 decoding if they had wanted to, they probably done feel it's in their commercial interest.

      • Dogsrule on 29/09/2023 - 22:05
        +3

        You're not getting any new system for ~$100 that has hardware AV1 decode.

        You can get pretty close:

        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/800838

        $130 for an N95, 8GB RAM, M.2 drive and W11 is pretty attractive. Granted, you'll have to wait for the next deal, but that will probably be sooner than you'll get a RP5.

        • Yumi on 30/09/2023 - 21:36
          +2

          That's awfully cheap for what it is - nice find. Though the comments of that thread seem to suggest it's basically unobtainium for that price (presumably RPi5 has better availability).

          • Dogsrule on 30/09/2023 - 22:16
            +1

            @Yumi: Yeah fair enough, seems like stock was very limited. Even so, those Chinese mini PC's are getting very competitive - you'd have to have a rather particular use case to choose a SBC these days.

            • Yumi on 01/10/2023 - 12:54
              +3

              @Dogsrule: Second hand SFFs will give much better performance than an SBC for a similar price, plus with better software compatibility on x86.

              New mini PCs are typically 2-3x the cost of an RPi though, so I'd argue they're in a different price bracket (the example you posted just seemed to be a freak occurrence).

              I don't see this as something changing recently, so I'd argue that SBCs were always relatively niche.

    • iDroid on 28/09/2023 - 18:54

      Is there a simple way to interface from proxmox to physical devices? That's where the pi fits well.

      • Commodore64 on 28/09/2023 - 19:24
        +2

        USB GPIO or ESP32 proxy

        • iDroid on 28/09/2023 - 20:38

          Nice - yes this could be good in some use cases..

    • SickDmith on 28/09/2023 - 20:51

      I run VMS on proxmox now to do half the pi stuff I used to.

      What hardware?

    • G-rig on 29/09/2023 - 04:30
      +1

      Av1.. that uses more power
      Fancy home theatre buffs
      Just stick with a more common container

      • hamwhisperer on 29/09/2023 - 09:02

        In time it'll be the dominant codec

        • G-rig on 29/09/2023 - 09:38

          Cool. Maybe more devices will support it then.

    • AreYouAWiiizard on 29/09/2023 - 23:08

      Looking at tests, apparently it can't even play 1080p h264 without dropping frames so I don't think you'd ever want to use this for media…

  • rumblytangara on 28/09/2023 - 18:54
    +2

    How has this thread been up an entire hour, without someone posting that a SFF PC is a better option?

    • TeddyBear on 28/09/2023 - 18:55
      +3

      It depends on your use case.

      • tharlow on 28/09/2023 - 18:58
        +8

        Or don’t use a case, for better cooling

    • tharlow on 28/09/2023 - 18:57
      +1

      Have you seen current electricity prices?! It’s like $1 a minute these days

    • netsurfer on 28/09/2023 - 19:14
      +2

      Brand new SFF or second hand SFF? Pi 5's Idle running power is 1.8W. Its boot to OS performance has improved it seems (7 seconds). It can be powered by USB-C/PD.

      I never quite get the appeal of SFF. Mini PC / NUC makes more sense to me or just go desktop. 6th gen or 7th gen Intel SFF, using the excuse it is not crippled as much like Pi doesn't seem that great (still dated, still crippled).

    • iDroid on 28/09/2023 - 20:43
      +1

      The Pi really isn't aimed at tasks that are solved with SFF PCs. Lots of tasks that people are choosing to use them for would be better suited to a SFF PC - absolutely.

      I can make a portable/embedded device with a pi and stick it in my back pocket - every time I do that with a SFF PC I get weird looks from people and bloody Karens complaining about me dragging my extension cord on my bush walks.

      • rumblytangara on 28/09/2023 - 20:50
        +1

        I should have been more clear about the ironic slant. Every Pi thread has at least half a dozen people chime in with "a usff PC is better value and moar powerful!" because they don't have much imagination or curiosity.

        • iDroid on 28/09/2023 - 20:50

          Ah, gottcha… whoooshed..

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