Are You in Favor of or Opposed to VIC Banning New Gas Connections as of January 1?

Bman17 on 20/09/2023 - 14:53

I prefer a gas connection over an electric one as some Indian and Middle Eastern food you just can’t cook them on an electric stove such as Roti.

The reasons for the banning new gas connections are:

  1. Reduce carbon emissions.
  2. Reduce energy bills (Seriously?).

I use 50 Kg LPG a year and it costs $105. How can anyone minimise their electricity cost given the sharp rise in electricity rates and the declining solar feed-in Tariff? If so, shouldn't the VIC government instead outlaw all appliances with an energy rating of 1-3 stars?
The plan could eventually affect current gas connections.

What would you prefer?:

Poll Options expired

  • 377
    I am in favor of banning new gas connections.
  • 420
    I am against it.
  • 16
    Dosn't bother me. I like Trump and Greta both.
General Discussion

Comments

                                            • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 12:02
                                              +1

                                              @jv: Ok, so reverting to personal insults now?

                                          • trapper on 22/09/2023 - 16:31

                                            @GG57: Economic laws are universally applicable; when prices rise, demand naturally decreases. This is not debatable.

                                            • GG57 on 22/09/2023 - 16:34
                                              -2

                                              @trapper: Coming in a day late to the discussion, and missing the point completely.
                                              I am yet to be informed as to how a 7.5% levy on a small segment of the tourism market in Victoria will "…reduce tourism…".
                                              By how much will this levy "…reduce tourism…" in Victoria?

                                              • trapper on 22/09/2023 - 18:04

                                                @GG57: You say you are 'yet to be informed as to how', but right above you will see I have just informed you how.

                                                It is simple economics.

                                      • jv on 21/09/2023 - 11:59
                                        +1

                                        @GG57:

                                        Meanwhile, the positive outcome of the levy imposition is being totally overlooked.

                                        There is no positive outcome.

                                        The extra taxes will be cancelled by the reduction in tourism. It is a lose/lose policy for Victoria. (But, hey, not surprises there with Dan. What's out debt compared to other states???)….

                                        The only winners are the other states.

                                        • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 12:04
                                          +2

                                          @jv:

                                          There is no positive outcome.

                                          The income from the levy would go towards Homes Victoria, to fund the construction of social and affordable housing, as part of Victoria's housing statement, a policy document aimed at boosting housing supply.

                                          • jv on 21/09/2023 - 12:12
                                            +2

                                            @GG57:

                                            The income from the levy would go towards Homes Victoria

                                            And the loss in tourism dollars that would have gone to the state? How will that be made up? Another tax ??

                                            That's the only thing Dan knows, right? Tax, tax, tax, tax………….

                                            • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 13:11
                                              +1

                                              @jv: Are you still claiming that the levy on a small segment of the overall Victorian tourism industry will detrimentally impact the whole industry?

                                              You are becoming repetitive with no substance to your comments.
                                              You don't seem to have considered that many councils are / were considering similar levies on the same segment of the tourism industry.

                                              I suggest that you get off OzB for a little while and contact your local state MP and voice your concerns there.

            • callum9999 on 21/09/2023 - 12:16
              +1

              @boomramada: Good, it's a blight on the world and needs to be reigned in.

              You've demonstrated perfectly that your selfishness means you don't care very much about other people, so you likely don't care about this at all, but the impact it's having on the housing crisis is very well documented.

          • idonotknowwhy on 22/09/2023 - 10:47

            @jv:

            electricity

            Solar panels and batteries which you can replace every 5 years.

            water

            You can buy bottled water at woolies

            internet

            Starlink

            sewage

            Ever heard of septic tanks?

            If you're trying to make the argument that you want billions of dollars on all this infrastructure maintained across the state to live like we're part of a first-world country…

            • jv on 22/09/2023 - 10:51

              @idonotknowwhy:

              batteries which you can replace every 5 years.

              too expensive…

            • jv on 22/09/2023 - 10:52

              @idonotknowwhy:

              You can buy bottled water at woolies

              plastic bottles are bad for the environment and contribute to climate change.

            • jv on 22/09/2023 - 10:52
              +1

              @idonotknowwhy:

              Starlink

              Reduces solar energy from reaching Earth.

            • jv on 22/09/2023 - 10:53
              +1

              @idonotknowwhy:

              Ever heard of septic tanks?

              I've heard of Septic shock.

      • SydStrand on 20/09/2023 - 21:59
        +2

        bottled LPG connection to the indoor kitchen is not allowed either. Roti / Naan are a daily part of a meal for Indian, and Middle Eastern origin. Surely, they can't cook it outside daily and how about wok noodles on an electric stove?

        You can absolutely prepare roti and naan with an induction cooktop given the right equipment. If you're planting your flag on the 'culinary purist' hill, then why shouldn't we all have giant stone tandoors that reach 500C in our backyards

      • jv on 21/09/2023 - 01:56
        +3

        bottled LPG connection to the indoor kitchen is not allowed either.

        bottled LPG is also very EXPENSIVE compared to natural gas.

        • JIMB0 on 21/09/2023 - 07:45

          Not if you take into account the saving of not having a daily supply charge.

          • gyrex on 21/09/2023 - 09:19
            +2

            @JIMB0: I used to have to pay an annual gas bottle rental charge.

          • jv on 21/09/2023 - 09:52
            +1

            @JIMB0: Yes, even with that included…

            • Jackson on 21/09/2023 - 23:49

              @jv: If it's only your stove you are running on gas, you can get a 9kg bottle connected and never pay a supply charge

      • idonotknowwhy on 22/09/2023 - 10:39

        I prefer a gas connection over an electric one as some Indian and Middle Eastern food you just can’t cook them on an electric stove such as Roti.

        You can add certain Chinese dishes cooked on a Wok to this list.
        What's the work around for when we don't have gas anymore?

    • Joey2scoops on 21/09/2023 - 08:17
      +5

      Not sure what planet some people are on but the cost of using gas is so much higher than electricity. My house was built in 2009 and has gas ducted heating, gas stove (electric oven) and gas supplemented solar hot water. In the winter my gas bill is the same or higher than my electricity bill. So, change gas heating to heat pump and hot water to electric and get rid of the gas stove for new construction sounds like a decent plan. Increase in electrical bill would be negligible when compared to the saving from not using gas but that's not really applicable for new construction. If someone really insisted on gas then install a propane tank but really not sure why anyone would do that in the 21st century.

    • hueylewis on 21/09/2023 - 09:32
      +6

      LOL, "price of electricity can only really go down". yeah, sure. they said that when it was deregulated 30 years ago and it went up. and they are saying it again now in relation to going green, and it is only going up faster. you don't get it. you will always be forced to pay more for essential utilities. power, water, gas, etc etc. that is how it is and that is how it was and that is how it always will be. they will always find some cause or excuse to rip the public off on essential services.

    • Chandler on 21/09/2023 - 12:24
      +2

      1) Can we stop calling for things to be outlawed? It's just silly. Use the market and price signals.

      Agreed!

      2) Gas has to be mined and piped and is a hella-bad contributor to climate change BEFORE it's burned.

      What's better for the environment - mining gas and piping it to peoples homes to burn, or mining coal and burning it for electricity to be distributed to peoples homes?

      Perhaps we might be able to repurpose the gas network for green H2?

      Not a terrible idea!

      4) The price of electricity is particularly high at the moment and can only really go down.

      Please avoid the stock market :P

      5) You want a gas connection? Sure, buy a bottle, have one. No one is saying you can't do that.

      Agreed!

      • callum9999 on 21/09/2023 - 15:44

        That's a pointless hypothetical given those aren't the only two options.

        Gas power stations are far better for the environment than coal - you can still continue using gas for electricity generation after turning off the domestic supply. Even long term, it's not a terrible backup source for renewable energy. It's going to be a long time until the renewable supply is sufficiently diverse that you no longer need some kind of fossil fuel/nuclear back up.

        • Chandler on 22/09/2023 - 08:36

          That's a pointless hypothetical given those aren't the only two options.

          True, but I said that as Victoria's electricity supply is predominantly coal: 67% coal vs 2% gas over the last 12-months1

          Gas power stations are far better for the environment than coal - you can still continue using gas for electricity generation after turning off the domestic supply.

          True, but that kinda proves my point. We're switching from burning gas for cooking to burning coal for electricity for cooking.

          Unless they've got gas power stations ready to take the domestic gas supply and replace the existing coal generation, the extra generation needed for cooking is going to come from local generation (likely coal) or imported generation (likely NSW, and thus likely coal). I'd also raise the question of is domestic gas is suitable for grid power generation (it could be, I don't know).

          Note this is said without getting into the efficiencies, which I know is probably a bad idea since electronic cooking is probably more energy efficient - as shown by some good (albeit low sample size) statistics from others here on these forums - this very post even!

          Even long term, it's not a terrible backup source for renewable energy.

          As in use gas as backup generation for baseload renewable? Agreed, and already done in some areas (i.e. SA).

          It's going to be a long time until the renewable supply is sufficiently diverse that you no longer need some kind of fossil fuel/nuclear back up.

          Agreed.

          1. Source: https://aemo.com.au/Energy-systems/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-NEM/Data-Dashboard-NEM ↩

          • callum9999 on 23/09/2023 - 16:36

            @Chandler: No, you're moving a small number of properties from burning gas to using electricity that is mainly generated by coal, to a continually diminishing degree - along with rebates to install solar power and a legislative requirement to phase out the coal in the short term.

            How many new houses do you think Victoria is building? You are effectively arguing that not connecting that small number of properties to the network will generate more coal-fired electricity usage than the combined carbon cost of building the new gas pipes, manufacturing gas appliances for temporary use and prolonging the life of the current network (the more users there are, the longer the financial viability of running it will last/the harder to switch away). I think a lot of the opponents of this are ignoring long-term emissions and solely focussing on the immediate.

            It's not a bad idea to bring up arguments that don't support your position - I did exactly the same thing. A depressing number of people on this site, and in general, are incapable of doing so. It's nice to have an honest debater for a change!

    • RiseAndRuin on 21/09/2023 - 22:18

      The price of electricity is particularly high at the moment and can only really go down

      Sure, together with real estate prices…

    • RefusdClassification on 22/09/2023 - 06:50

      "The price of electricity is particularly high at the moment and can only really go down." Anyone who isn't an ALP lackey can see, more renewables = higher energy prices. Electricity used to be cheap when it was all coal generated, now it is a luxury good, and by design. Environmentalism is an attack by the rich upon the quality of life of the poor, pure class warfare. It has nothing to do with "saving the planet". The middle class in Australia are so rich they can afford a 30% increase in price per year; all of their investment properties are appreciating by $100,000 a year, so of course they are optimistic about the future.

      • foursaken on 22/09/2023 - 09:07
        +1

        Mate, you need help.

    • drfuzzy on 22/09/2023 - 12:52
      -1

      I'm beginning to think Dan should be out-voted, if not out-lawed.

    • GodsSon23 on 22/09/2023 - 21:44

      🤦

  • Dollar General on 20/09/2023 - 15:53
    +7

    Good news for developers of new estates who now don’t need to pay for gas services to the estate. Same developers that contribute to party coffers perhaps

    • callum9999 on 21/09/2023 - 15:46
      +2

      It's great to look at anything government does with skepticism, but not everything is a conspiracy…

      • jv on 21/09/2023 - 22:07

        but not everything is a conspiracy…

        A significant percentage would be for this government.

    • Roney on 21/09/2023 - 17:25

      And not good news when there's black out.

  • stuffandthat on 20/09/2023 - 16:39
    +11

    I'm against it. Unless the government is contributing to my mortgage than they shouldn't get a say in what utilities my house has.

    • callum9999 on 21/09/2023 - 15:51
      +4

      While just saying "personal freedom" would be a valid reason to be against this, I don't think your mortgage is relevant. That's like saying they shouldn't have a say in whether you use leaded petrol or not if they aren't making your car payments for you.

      It's the role of government to control the actions of individuals to create the society we want to live in - there's no logical requirement for them to be doing so by paying you.

    • spaceflight on 22/09/2023 - 16:41
      +1

      You must be disappointed that you can't do the kind use asbestos insulation or get a PSTN phone line connection.

  • apple2016 on 20/09/2023 - 16:43
    +4

    The reasons for the banning new gas connections are:

    Politicians have no idea what they are talking about.
    Gas mining is not banned. So the same amount (or more) of gas will still be extracted and shipped offshore and burnt resulting is similar carbon emissions. It does not matter which country produces the emission, it still affects earth as a whole!

    why not stop producing gas? oh we got to keep the mining companies happy!!!

    • Bman17 on 20/09/2023 - 16:44
      +10

      Exactly! Banning the straws but the plastic lids are fine.

    • bobswinkle on 20/09/2023 - 17:27
      +2

      By this logic it's never doing anything to reduce reliance on fossil fuels. Except that the more people that reduce that demand, the less profitable those mines become.

      Also gas is a critical firming fuel. But rolling out more infrastructure to distribute it to households doesn't make sense. It'll be used in our electricity system.

      God I hate how often people talk with confidence about shit they have no idea about.

      • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:06
        +1

        Not only that but once people realise that they don't need gas because the electric option is far, far superior, public opinion will change about gas connections and use for other purposes, gas mining and potentially gas power stations.

    • spaceflight on 22/09/2023 - 16:52

      So the same amount (or more) of gas will still be extracted and shipped offshore and burnt resulting is similar carbon emissions

      Some people have no idea what they're talking about.

      Just because the same amount of gas is extracted does not mean there are similar carbon emissions

      Burning gas at home in say a gas cooktop is about 30% efficient.

      Burning the same gas in a power plant is in the realm of 50-60% efficient.

      And most of the LNG we export is used for industrial purposes, not domestic.

      If we stopped using gas in Australian houses we could extract more natural gas, burn it for power and make less carbon emissions.

  • tephra on 20/09/2023 - 16:52
    +4

    I think its a step in the right direction.

    In my mind, a new gas connection implies new-build. And new builds should meet a better energy efficiency standards. So shouldn't really need gas in the first place…

    On existing properties its a much harder proposition, my house is horrible for thermals and my last gas bill was atrocious… If I was to move to electric I would have enormous upfront costs to change out heating components (ie hydronic gas boiler to electric equivalent).

    Obviously there are going to be edge cases, and maybe a better "law" would be to require & enforce better building efficiency standards…

    • Herbse on 21/09/2023 - 21:55
      +3

      I had already planned to build my next house with all electric appliances and cap off the connection to the gas grid.

      Anyone can do this to their existing house and call the gas supplier and tell them to stop charging you service fees since you are no longer connected to their system

      Paying supply charges for two utilites that can do the same thing is just pointless. So this move is a clear indication that removing our reliance on gas is the right one.

      The only people this will piss off is the gas suppliers who would love to keep increasing their prices to locals while supplying cheap gas interstate. And people who don't understand what's happening and are worried about their woks and rotis.

      • TEER3X on 22/09/2023 - 09:18

        I'll go electric when my existing hot water and ducted heated goes kaput. I don't think it makes sense financially/environmentally to do it sooner.

        those that need to achieve wok hei usually need a standalone device that runs off lpg and need to cook outside anyway. if i'm not mistaken.

  • Ocker on 20/09/2023 - 16:59

    If Dictator Dan tells us it is for our own good then who are we mere mortals to question the chosen one.

  • wetsandwich on 20/09/2023 - 17:18
    -4

    Against it.

    Electric cooking can never compare to gas, ever.

    The gas is getting mined anyway to sell overseas. Us being able to buy it does not make more or less climate change (highly debatable concept in the first place).

    The whole thing is a rort just to sell it all at top dollar overseas without pesky humans getting in the way of China.

    The price doesn't have to be high, they have just chosen to allow it to be high.

    The place I just bought has it, but I assume they'll ban even being able to buy gas within 5-10 years.

    Dan had better be paying for my electric conversion when that time comes.

    • bobswinkle on 20/09/2023 - 17:29
      +12

      I was going to rebut your many factual errors. You know, the fact we sell gas primarily to Korea and Japan. And the fact that induction cooking is superior in virtually every way.

      But then you said climate change was a "debatable concept" and I remembered the saying about arguing with idiots.

      • CurlCurl on 20/09/2023 - 17:53
        -4

        But then you said climate change was a "debatable concept" and I remembered the saying about arguing with idiots.

        Over 130 odd years ago Sydney had two consecutive days over 34 or 35 degrees. Why has it taken so long to happen again?

        In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks. The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states. Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days (1)(2)(3). The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight.

        Never happened again in Bourke.

        https://coherence.com.au/curlew/2022/08/deadly-aust-heat-wav…

        • try2bhelpful on 20/09/2023 - 18:14
          +1

          Look at the statistics of temperatures over time. That is where you spot it.

        • freefall101 on 20/09/2023 - 18:27

          Temperature measurements weren't very good in 1896 - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-21/1896-heatwave-killed-…

        • bobswinkle on 20/09/2023 - 18:39
          +5

          Climate and weather are not the same thing. If you don't understand this basic concept I'm not bothering to engage.

          • jv on 21/09/2023 - 02:01

            @bobswinkle:

            If you don't understand this basic concept I'm not bothering to engage.

            and you think you're an expert ?…. 🤣🤣🤣

            • bobswinkle on 21/09/2023 - 06:34
              +1

              @jv: Wait. You think climate and weather are the same thing? Do you also think you can know the average speed of a car by measuring its speed at a single point in time?

      • jv on 21/09/2023 - 01:59
        +1

        And the fact that induction cooking is superior in virtually every way.

        Nope…

        Go visit a kitchen in the best restaurants…

  • Dack Smith on 20/09/2023 - 17:43
    +2

    In favour definitely

    Victoria needs to be the green state and a role model for the world over

    • garddn on 21/09/2023 - 08:23
      +4

      Why? Whatever Victoria or Australia does will make ZERO difference

  • outlander on 20/09/2023 - 18:17
    +4

    For it. It seems to primarily target new builds. Gas has already been made obsolete, but builders will continue using uneconomical methods if it ends up slightly cheaper. And given the lower demand for gas appliances, if they're not banned builders are likely to buy more of them because they're cheaper.

    The average person doesn't really need to worry, as there's going to be gas appliances around for years to come. Even if retail stops selling them, the second hand market will become glutted as everyone switches over to electric. When it comes to governments banning things, we have it pretty good here. Usually by the time they ban stuff, it's already been rendered obsolete. I had LED lights for years before they made selling incandescents illegal. And you can still find them for sale even now! So the whole banning thing is mostly just a token show and dance

  • Tiredman on 20/09/2023 - 18:22
    +1

    Still have my Rambo to get the much needed Wok Hei.

  • eug on 20/09/2023 - 18:52

    Reduce energy bills (Seriously?).

    In my unit I get charged a fixed 60.697c/day by Origin for unmetered cooktop gas usage. That's $221.54 a year even if I only cook twice a week. I really should switch to induction now as it would greatly reduce my energy bills.

    • AustriaBargain on 20/09/2023 - 18:59

      I'd use the cooktop to heat the house if it were unmetered :3

      • eug on 20/09/2023 - 19:10

        I did actually consider building a heating tower to place on the stove (something like a tall conical metal grid tower) and aiming a fan at it to blow heated air out. I eventually decided it didn't seem like a very safe or healthy idea!

        • AustriaBargain on 20/09/2023 - 19:11

          You'd probably want to make sure the place is ventilated at the ceiling and floor. Or at least be aware of what CO poisoning looks like.

          • eug on 20/09/2023 - 19:13

            @AustriaBargain: Nah, I just put a jumper on. This is Brisbane we're talking about. :)

  • AustriaBargain on 20/09/2023 - 18:59
    +3

    I like gas, but it's expensive and more dangerous. You can get electric instant hot water, and my gas instant water needs electricity to work anyway so you can't even get hot water during a blackout anyway. Same with the gas oven, needs electricity to work for some reason. Government should be subsidising heat pump heaters imo, I think they already are if Facebook ads are to be believed.

    • jv on 21/09/2023 - 02:02
      +1

      I like gas, but it's expensive and more dangerous.

      You wouldn't say that if you got electrocuted…

      • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:18

        This comment is fair dinkum idiotic, everyone is just out of negs by now.

          • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:51
            +2

            @jv: One guys dies in America in 2016 from a badly manufactured stove. You have shown yourself to lack objectivity. Everything is relative.

            https://stovemastery.com/what-causes-a-gas-stove-to-explode/

            This one link states that there's been 120 deaths in the US in recent years fro gas stoves. 177k leaks in 2020 alone. That's before you consider the higher rate of things catching fire and the asthma causing gasses in the emissions of gas

            • jv on 22/09/2023 - 01:03

              @Jackson:

              This one link states that there's been 120 deaths in the US in recent years fro gas stoves

              In the US there are over 1000 electrocutions per year. 10 times more than your figure for gas.

              • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 02:22

                @jv: Electricutions related to electric hobs? Give me a break, what a reach

    • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:17
      +1

      Government is subsidising heat pump hot water systems in NSW and I believe Vic. Not only are heat pumps using 30% of conventional electric storage, but they will remain hot in a blackout and also can be heated in the day from solar and used throughout the night

  • Ade99 on 21/09/2023 - 07:41
    +3

    With the electricity supply cost being more than daily consumption I don't see why I would move to sole power supply.

  • Rob-4x4 on 21/09/2023 - 09:14
    +1

    Could also do things like add green hydrogen to the gas mix to reduce the carbon footprint….

    https://www.dnv.com/oilgas/perspectives/switching-city-from-…

    • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:22
      +1

      Don't hold your breath on green hydrogen, firstly it's not green, it takes about 1.6 times the electricity in to make hydrogen to get 1 unit out. Second it will be many years before it in use and not economical compared to solar and battery storage.

      • Rob-4x4 on 22/09/2023 - 08:46
        +1

        As long as it is green H2 produced from solar/wind etc the loss is not really an issue.

        And as you said it is a product still be developed.

        Biggest thing is to ensure the fossil fuel industry does not contaminate it with grey and other dodgy hydrogen production

        https://arena.gov.au/knowledge-bank/efficient-solar-hydrogen…

        • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 13:04
          +1

          Agreed, but the point where on a graph the line for hydrogen gets anywhere close to intersecting with the line for solar and battery storage on useability, avaialbility, safety, and price, is so far into the future it doesn't bear thinking about or changing anything we're doing now at all. Hydrogen is the fusion reactor of the renewables sector at the moment, always 10 years into the future.

  • ninohax on 21/09/2023 - 14:26
    +1

    Man this is absolute rubbish! I guess I need to move out of VIC when I build my home. Gas is an absolute must for certain type of cuisines. And the most absurd thing is the government claiming they are doing it for the environment whilst backing a slew of coal and gas projects. And electricity is not going to get cheaper. As more and more people shift to electricity( Including electric cars) electricity is only going to get expensive not cheap. Remember folks Australia is a Capitalistic country that only cares for the rich.

    • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 14:37
      +3

      Your profile shows that you are in WA; have you already left Victoria?

    • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 14:39

      Which gas or coal projects has the Victorian government backed? I can't find that info.

    • GG57 on 21/09/2023 - 14:41
      +4

      Isn't Victoria bringing back the State Electricity Commission with the intention to lower electricity bills and focus on increasing renewable energy production?

      • cookie2 on 21/09/2023 - 21:53
        +2

        Intentions are not the same as delivering.

    • Herbse on 21/09/2023 - 21:41
      +4

      Then build your house with lines running to a tank. That's not being banned and anyone is free to do so.

      The ban is a connecting to the grid.

      • TEER3X on 22/09/2023 - 09:14
        +1

        Yep plenty of houses without access to natural gas have those large lpg tanks installed. not that hard to do i would imagine.

  • movieman on 21/09/2023 - 20:57
    -2

    Well, there goes unlimited hot water…

    With gas, it's easy to have access to continuous hot water - how are we going to get continuous hot water without gas?

    • try2bhelpful on 21/09/2023 - 20:57

      Why do you next continuous hot water? His long are your showers?

      • movieman on 21/09/2023 - 21:00

        Why.

        Because we live in a developed country where we can had access to hot water.

        Previously I've used electric hot water systems (that eventually run out, and showers go cold / baths cannot be fully filled up).

        When you have multiple people in a household, it's so much better having access to continuous hot water.

        And gas heats the water to your desired temperature (say 43 degrees), instead of much higher to avoid other issues.

        So gas is actually safer for heating water.

        • Guth on 21/09/2023 - 21:43
          +1

          Just get an instantaneous electric water heater then.

        • Jackson on 22/09/2023 - 00:31
          +1

          Electric continuous hot water is a thing and had been for decades. Alternately you can get a heat pump hot water system and be far better off than using gas, and you don't have to worry about the hot water not triggering when the tap is not fully open

  • PopCounty on 21/09/2023 - 21:18

    (Old) Houses with gas connection, would see their rental increased. Crisis after crisis.

  • serpserpserp on 21/09/2023 - 21:32

    Why do you need gas for roti?

    • cookie2 on 21/09/2023 - 21:55

      Some roti and naan type breads are cooked on an open flame. Get that grill and char.

      • ThadtheChad on 22/09/2023 - 01:08

        Tbh things like tandoori rotis and naans are cooked in a clay oven - so you're better off using a kamado style BBQ instead.

        You absolutely dont cook those on an open gas flame. Open flame cooking for usual chapatis and rotis is very common in smaller towns etc (from the time when folks had chulhas - mud firepits) but tavas are most commonly used.

        They make induction tavas these days so its a bit of a "much ado over nothing" .

        • serpserpserp on 22/09/2023 - 07:44
          +1

          They make induction tavas these days so its a bit of a "much ado over nothing" .

          This is what I figured. Unless you are cooking them on an open flame multiple times a day, just use a little camper burner or BBQ outside

  • Herbse on 21/09/2023 - 21:40
    +2

    I love a good roti, but OP, I'm assuming you're using a 50kg tank and no connection to the grid?

    And you're comparing the ban which is connection to the grid which costs people ~$400 a year just for the daily connection fee alone at current rates? Not including any usage costs which just went up by 30% for most people.

    The gas ban does not apply to bottles. So if anyone wants to build a house with a gas line running to a bottle outside, they're welcome to for their rotis.

  • randombrick on 21/09/2023 - 22:05

    https://rotimatic.com/products/rotimatic

    Breaks even in about 5 years if you consider just the gas supply charges.

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