Premium Barossa Shiraz 2019 (12-Pack) $115 + $9 Delivery ($0 with $150 Order) @ Dozen Deals

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  Karmond on 28/08/2023 - 13:58

  +7

  Based on the reviews, this would be;

  CW Wines - Lustre Collection Shiraz

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    Fat Horny Ghost on 28/08/2023 - 14:04

    +1

    Nice find

    https://www.vivino.com/AU/en/cw-wines-lustre-collection-shir…

    Average reported price around $14

    They selling for $9.50 not including $9 shipping which brings to $10.33 / bottle

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      Ham Dragon on 28/08/2023 - 14:09

      +6

      But but the rep said it sold for $60?!

      /s

      I swear the plonk merchants on this site have day jobs as used car salesmen.

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        olympicwiz on 28/08/2023 - 14:24

        OP stated "This Barossa Shiraz is listed at both Wine Selectors and Boutique Wines at $60 a bottle"

        Which is a factual statement.

        https://boutiquewine.com.au/lustre-selection-barossa-shiraz-…

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          Ham Dragon on 29/08/2023 - 09:32

          @olympicwiz: Different vintages?

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    pork chop on 28/08/2023 - 16:25

    The bottle should be renamed to Lacklustre Collection Shiraz.

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  cashless on 28/08/2023 - 14:11

  +1

  95 pointer for <$10?
  Someone has to be kidding

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    bargaino on 28/08/2023 - 15:25

    95 from Sam Kim, allegedly.
    He is paid by wine-makers to review their wines. The problem is when this conflict is not declared.

    https://fermentationwineblog.com/2011/09/pay-to-play-wine-re…

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    J-B on 28/08/2023 - 15:26

    +2

    95 points from Sam Kim isn't exactly reputable. He charges for his reviews and gives (almost) everything high scores.

    Retailers love flogging his scores but turns many off.

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      RD ADL on 29/08/2023 - 14:41

      Essentially, everyone charges for reviews in some way shape or form.
      For example, Huon Hooke, James Suckling, Wine Front, Wine Pilot and James Halliday all charge subscription fees to access scores and/or for the right to republish and, of course, sample product is provided free of charge. Essentially, Sam Kim does the same.
      Major capital city wine shows, regional wine shows, Winestate Magazine (before it closed) all charge submission fees though these were all tasted blind by industry peers.
      The perception of Sam Kim is an interesting one. Firstly, he is perhaps the quickest to review wines, therefore, retailers and producers can get a review on wine quickly which means he's in demand and why you'll see him quoted a lot.. Conversely, Halliday reviews (for example) are often published by the time a wine has sold out. Sam Kim does rate below 90 but most producers or distributors would really quote a sub-90 score.

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        lbreav on 29/08/2023 - 20:11

        RD is right.

        Igaf says below that "Huan Hooke is a far better guide imo." Perhaps this is true, the guy might have a better nose than Sam Kim or something. I personally believe something like this about James Halliday, but most of the reviews in the Halliday guide are by others and aren't, in my view, anywhere near as reliable or perceptive.

        But the idea that Huon Hooke is above receiving money is rubbish. The idea of the "Real Review" is actually a marketing gimmick. If you believe that their reviews are somehow "real" and those of JH and others (Sam Kim included) are not, then you've clearly bought into that gimmick Hooke, line and sinker.

        If you look on the Talk page for his Wiki page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Huon_Hooke ) you will see that he has his employee Lars Herold editing his page to add in the information about him being objective etc. ( see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lars.herold )

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          Igaf on 29/08/2023 - 23:07

          -1

          @lbreav: The reason why I prefer Huon Hooke's ratings are the more realistic numbers, nothing to do with how reviewers derive income. I also find his ratings more reliable - a better starting guide - than Sam Kim's for my taste. That said there is an obvious and SIGNIFICANT difference between subscription and pay per review models. Ymmv but he problem I have with Sam Kim's numbers are that I regularly find they're 2-3 points higher than other reviewers'. Happens so often I take his numbers with a grain of salt. A good enough shiraz might be 95 for SK, which means the very good/excellent/very best are jammed into a tiny part of the scale. He's not alone there. Retailers, with obvious skin in the game, follow a similar line. As a consumer that's complete bs imo, even allowing for the differences in people's tastes. That's my experience, you are entirely free to have a different viewpoint.

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  bargaino on 28/08/2023 - 15:19

  https://unwraps.com.au/unwrap/lustre-collection-2018-barossa…
  "Had this wine before, and Google confirms its a match.
  Just cracked a bottle and sadly it is not that good. Very young and fruity for a Shiraz, lacking in earth and boldness."

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    Igaf on 28/08/2023 - 17:36

    +1

    2018 vintage. 2019 could be markedly different. Who knows what vintage Sam Kim tasted but his expectations are generally lower than other wine judges ime. Huan Hooke is a far better guide imo.

    Seems a good deal but without having tasted it or having a good reviewer's comments about its complexity (hence cellar worthiness) it's a gamble.