1Zpresso is running a sale on their Amazon store. Everything available except the ZP6. Enjoy!
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Agree
Thanks just ordered K4 👍
Yep i got it for $89.60 it goes on sale often.
I picked up a K6 for pour over which has served me well. Grinds better than my Timemore chestnut X lite which is 3 times the price
I currently have a Porlex mini. I assuming the K4 knocks it out of the park?
I have not tried the Porlex mini, but am happy with the espresso I get from the K4 with the BDB, Picopresso and Dedica EC685.
The Polex Mini II appears to have slightly coarser grind setting adjustment (37 micron per click) compared to the K4 (16 micron per click) which may make espresso more difficult to dial in, as well as having a smaller capacity (20g compared with 30g).
Additionally, the ceramic burrs of the Porlex will be quite different to the titanium coated stainless steel burrs in the K4, and may produce more fines.
Most reviews seem to speak well of the K4, particularly for espresso (or the K6 if you also want to do pourover) - together with the great price (compared with the 1zpresso) was what convinced me to get one.
The build is solid, bearings keep the everything well aligned, external grind setting is clear and simple, titanium coated burrs are nice and sharp, grinding 19g at espresso setting takes less than 30s.
$230 for manual grinder?
Lol! Check out the Comandante grinders if you think $230 is a lot.
That's crazy, can it do black pepper? 😂
Man I always wanted a pepper cannon but couldnt bring myself to pay that much. I got a Kingrinder K1 last time it was on sale for $47 and couldnt be happier
@DanielP2: Wait - do you use the K1 as a pepper grinder? I've never thought of that option - but it sounds like it could work pretty nicely!
@poppingtags: It does, way better grind consistency and size than any proper grinder I've had. And grind like 10x as much a my old cole and mason derwent grinder
@DanielP2: Great to know, thanks for sharing - might have to give it a go myself.
Just an FYI, I too wanted a pepper cannon but couldn't bring myself to pay that much - but I've had pretty good results with this cheap AliExpress knockoff. A few things to keep in mind, the body is made out of very cheap plastic, and the burrs seem to be made out of ceramic, but it was a significant improvement over my previous pepper grinder, so I've been satisfied with its performance so far. That said, the K1 solution sounds even better - it might not hold as much as the AliExpress one, but that's probably a good thing as it keeps the pepper fresh.
@poppingtags: thats the one downside to the K1, it doesnt hold a lot. But its a tradeoff im willing to accept to save $400 :P
Commandate bringing out a $1600 manual grinder soon
$230 for manual grinder?
Yeah. Great price for a nice grinder.
My experience is so far a loaned $30 brandless grinder, which was so bad the particle size distribution was enormous. Sometimes a brew would take 2min, sometimes 6min.
A went to a porlex tall, and while it's a lot more consistent, I still can get a good 1min variation in time, which isn't great.
I've tried some automatic ones, but they're just as bad, and cost $300+ easily.
Can you recommend a mass produced manual grinder which produces a comparable result?
Also what is 'high risk to stock', 'sophisticated machinery' can I make one at home?
Niche and simplicity is a bit confusing too as I've paid a similar price for a set of three drill bits and even more for a simple snare drum
I'm confused - are you saying all niche products are bad value for money? Given value is subjective, and niche products fill a niche (!) that mass-produced products don't - can't you see how the value equation works out? Do you only own items that have a high raw material value?
Such a weird take.
get the kingrinder for $100 and use a drill on it.
At $230 does it come with a butler to grind the coffee for me?
It's about the quality and consistency of the grind. Cheap grinders will produce boulders/fines that affect the taste of the coffee negatively. This is more important with an espresso grinder like this, as the grind can change the flow rate of your shot and the evenness of your extraction.
If you buy beans from Coles and drink coffee milkshakes on your all-in-one Breville then this is not necessarily for you. If you drink espresso and find that it's inconsistent, sprays or stalls, and is too bitter/sour, then this might be a good upgrade for you. A manual grinder like this will perform similar to an electric grinder in the $500+ range.
Hey, dont shit on the Oracle owners, we gotta start somewhere right? :)
Point was made but have to say the Breville hate was uncalled for IMO. The Bambino and DB are well respected entry level espresso machines that punch above their price points.
I think they meant the all-in-ones, machines with the crappy on board grinders.
A cheap machine can produce an excellent shot if a decent grinder like this is used.
It was quite funny too. :-)
This.
I have the J-Max S.
Paid ~$240 on Amazon, worth every cent.
Super-fine grind adjustment (8.8 microns per click), which is easy to use being located on the outside of the grinder.
Solidly built, consistent grind, minimal retention.
But yeah, if you like touchscreens and electronic dings rather than mechanical things, not for you.
Hey I’ve only been here a few minutes, what’s going on?!
Surely hand grinding takes too long and gets the coffee stale. Isn't it like 30 seconds for ground coffee to start losing flavour?
Pretty sure it’s 15 seconds, some guy on YouTube said so, definitely must be true.
No idea where you've heard this - not true.
It’s one of those things that’s been repeated so much that it gets spouted as fact without challenge.
I was told this by the barista who trained me. He’d won national competitions prior, so I kinda didn’t question it at the time.
Bit like "Safe and Effective"
This is a myth
No offence but I thought I was paying too much for this Porlex Japanese Manual Grider which is excellent by the way…
https://www.porlex.com.au/products/porlex-tall-coffee-mill-g…
This grinder is pretty outdated now. The 1zpresso q2 is much better and at a similar price point ($135). There's really no comparison in terms of build and quality of the grind.
+1
I own the Porlex and the the only time it gets used now is when camping because it fits so neatly inside an Aeropress.
I already grind my stiffhindquarters to earn money. How long would it take to break even buying ground coffee vs grind it manually?
It’s not the price it’s the freshness
Highly recommend their budget models, Q2(S) and X-Pro(S). The new heptagonal burr set shared by both is excellent for filter. X-Pro is more suitable if you often grind 20g or more, but I find the Q2 the best for its size and weight in your bag when travelling.
Highly recommend. I have the j max and use it every single day. About 40 revolutions to grind 17g of coffee. Less than a minute. Espresso grind does take some effort but the result is quite excellent. If you’re not brewing espresso, unclear to me if this model is worthwhile - something cheaper may suffice.
I have one and it only takes a press of a button and it automatically grinds.
Too good of a deal to pass up, but for the first time, this is a pass for me.
I have both J-Max and Breville Smart Grinder Pro, and I prefer the J-Max. Nice deal
Have been using the Jx-Pro for a couple of years. Absolutely love it.
Emperor's new clothes?
Can’t post ali links but highly rate this. Great reviews from coffee snobs and been my daily grinder for 4yrs.
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I'm seeking some community recommendations regarding a decent coffee machine equipped with an automatic grinder. As a beginner, the idea of purchasing a coffee machine never crossed my mind until recently when my family expressed interest in having a nice espresso at home from time to time. While I understand the potential benefits of a manual grinder, I'm uncertain if this endeavour will extend beyond a simple "coffee craving" situation. Coffee hasn't been a significant part of my routine, and until now, instant Nescafe was the go-to choice.
Additionally, I'm curious about exploring second-hand machines on platforms like the Facebook Marketplace. If this is advisable, what factors should I consider when evaluating these machines?
Thank you in advance!
I would suggest starting with a pourover setup. Cheaper, easier and more consistent.
Sure you can get a $50 espresso machine and a cheap grinder off Gumtree, but it's probably going to be more frustrating than not.
In saying that, if I was going for a "cheap" espresso setup, I'd be looking at an EM6910 and something like the Timemore . Or if you are pretty lazy a Breville Smart Grinder Pro (can easily find these second hand).
About two and half years ago I was in similar situation as well: I was a coffee fan who bought coffees daily but had little idea about how to make coffee, nor much understanding about coffees.
The machine I got was Breville Barista Express for $630, which I still use daily til this day. It is a good package for beginners, with everything you need to get started making espresso/milk coffees. Given the cost of making 1 cup of milk coffee at ~$1.50, the machine would pay for itself after about 200 cups. It is a good option to get started, but I did find it rather limited since the onboard grinder is very basic, with barely any usable adjustments and not-so-good consistency. Nevertheless, with the right combination it is able to produce good coffee.
About two months ago I got a commandante manual grinder for about $420, which has been a significant upgrade in terms of coffee quality: much better consistency and the ability to bring out the coffee bean's flavours. Additionally, you could use it for all kinds of coffee: pourover, cold brew, airopress etc.
That being said, I would still recommend Barista Express as a whole if you want absolutely hassle free, or Breville Bambino + some decent/good manual grinder. Bambino + manual grinder on sale would probably cost you the same amount as a single Barista Express, but you will get much better coffee. The only downside really is that you need to manually grind coffee for about 1 minute to make 1 cup of coffee, which IMO is totally acceptable for a home setting.
I did a lot of research and ended up getting the K-Max which I am very happy with. These 1Zpresso grinders are probably the best value for money you can get.
Decided to get K-Max but it is not included in this sale (could not find it).
The zp6 is considered the holy grail of hand grinders for its filter coffee flavour profile. Shame it's not on sale, but that's also likely why.
I'm happy with the Kingrinder K4 for espresso, if you're after something like the 1Zpresso but with a sharper price it's currently $108 on Amazon.