Repeat of recent EOFY special, now Winter Sale.
Mid motor eBike with decent components for $1699 + shipping or free C&C in Melbourne. Black or grey medium frame rebadged XDS Advance E-MTB with 27.5" wheels.
Appears to be an OEM Bafang M4 series motor with 90/100nm according to their Chinese site. Brakes are Tektro M285. Battery cells are Panasonic 12.8ah/460wH and 3A charger. Shimano Deore RD-M6000 1x10 speed Shadow Plus up back, rear rack and lights. DIY assembly.
Been a medium frame you'd be definitely on the bigger side of life for it but it wouldn't be unmanageable. If you like to ride quite upright, you will fit on it fine.
Wow that is a great deal. Thanks OP.
Integrated cabling is real nice at this price point. That front light will be useless but easily replaceable with anything mounted to your handlebars. Tektro brakes would need to be replaced if you were actually planning on using this for anything other than your commute.
Great find OP- the wiring looks like it can be accessed underneath the frame easily enough too. Seems like a CAN Bus unfortunately so unlocking this thing would require a BESST programmer.
Wow I'm shocked to see a Mid mount motor eBike with internal routing and battery at this price!
For those wondering, most cheap eBikes are hub mount, so the motor is using all its torque against the weight of the bike and you.
A Mid mount applies the power through the sprocket into the chain with your human leg power. Performs exceptionally better up hill as it takes advantage of your lower climbing gears (like your legs do).
Because of this 10 speed is all you need on a Mid mount eBike, and Shimano deore gearing is surprising at this price.
Coil forks have enough travel to make this a good commuter, given the included Pannier bag frame.
Nice find OP, would serve someone well that fits a medium frame.
Anyone found out the weight of the bike?
The link above says 23kg, which is good for the specs.
Thanks, 23kg is very decent. Is it a good branded motor or generic?
If it's Bafang like the description says, that's like a B tier brand from China. Not as advanced tech or smooth feeling vs. an A tier (e.g. Shimano/Bosch/Brose) in my experience, but very widely used and make some great bang for buck systems that work reliably enough. If I was looking for a budget eBike I'd be happy to find a Bafang mid drive.
I test-rode an XDS Advanced (what this is apparently a rebadged of) when I was in the market for a commuter bike. Regardless of what the specs say with 90-100Nm or whatever, I felt this motor was providing like 10-20% less assistance than the Bosch Performance CX (claimed 85Nm) bike I ended up getting.
Anyone knows if other retailers from xdsbicycles site would match this price or only progear? As I am in Sydney and delivery is $144. All stores closed now, so can't contact other stores/retailers.
Been thinking of getting a bike to travel a bit on the Bikeway on the highway and a little into the city for work. Would this be a good pick up?
Fantastic. You'll be pressed finding anything better at this price. All it needs is some fenders.
@Jamesozbargain In my opinion yes if you're under 180cm tall. This is a great price for a 90-100Nm mid mount motor.
I ride my "Giant" mid mount 80Nm bike to work about 18km then do manual labour all day and then ride home again.
Even on the high setting you do some work but not a lot, so I feel warmed up when I arrive at work but not sweating or puffed out!
Engadine Cycles in Sydney carry the XDS equivalent for $1829 pick up, so cheaper than getting the Progear with shipping from Melbourne.
https://www.engadinecycles.com.au/products.php?c=&p=2849
Display is a KD58C commonly paired with Bafang motors and Uart serial protocol. Tektro M285 brakes are excellent and as good as Shimano M200. No need to replace them at this price point.
Progear is the retail arm of the XDS distributors Global Fitness and Leisure in Broadmeadows, VIC so their pricing can be more competitive than their own XDS dealers.
I bought a Progear bike that had an XDS Equiv. It turned up and it was literally just the XDS box and all.
They don't have very good reviews.
Can these guys be trusted?
Yes that is the problem when buying expensive bikes in a box, which you assemble yourself. If there is an issue then would be very inconvenient to return back to check it out. I would rather buy from a bike shop assembled and checked. eg the above comment from engadinecycles.com.au for slightly more, but they selling the bike fully assembled and comes with 12 months free service.
Are there any shops in Melbourne that would offer this assembled at the Engadine Cycles price? I couldn't find any.
Sorry I am in Sydney, so just google and see who else sell it in Melbourne or ask Progear if they offer this service? BTW, I contacted Engadine to try to match the price, but they told me their price is $1799 (so cheaper than web price by $30) and that included assembly and initial service after 3 month and another service just before the 12 month mark.
@huntabargain: I just emailed ProGear and they said they will assemble for $50.
https://www.progearbikes.com.au/products/bicycle-workshop-op…
Would that mitigate any potential issues?
@arcticmonkey: I am not bike expert, but if you not handy with the tools, I think $50 is worth it! I assume you pick the bike assembled and then ride home or put it somehow in your car?
Totally agree buying from a bike shop, assembled and fitted to your ergonomic. Nothing beats experience and knowledge when buying a bike. All about comfort.
XDS Chinese website quote medium 17" frame fits 170-185cm. Another important specification is seat to ground (seat post range) and listed at 85-107cm, very handy measurement to compare with your existing bike.
Does anyone know what kind of a range you get from a full charge?
I assume how much power assist you put it on, flat or hill terrain, how much you pedal etc..
I know. But most ebikes have an estimated range mentioned in the spec.
From experience my 375w battery on flat terrain mainly bitumen in lowest 1/5 assistance mode gets 75-80km. With a 460w battery you could achieve 100km in lowest assistance mode. If XDS quote 80km, that would generally equate to middle assistance mode 3/5.
At least the XDS has decent 3A charger, most manufacturers only provide 2A, so around 4 hours for full charge.
I ended up buying one of these. Pick up at the Brisbane location. Thanks OP and commenters
Do you sit upright on this or hunched over?
Will get back to you. I'm about 173cm
Can you please share your experience with the bike and how do you find it! cheers
Will do, won't be riding it for a few weeks i'd say. Hasn't even been delivered to the pick up location yet
I also got one. Pretty impressed. I assembled and the only issue was needing to reset the disc brakes from rubbing. All good.
I've taken the covers off the motor and there isn't anything indicating bafang. On the display, I've set the max cutoff speed at 40km/h but the motor still stops power at about 26km/h. I'm thinking you could change the Speed Sensor setting from 3 to 4 or 5 (3 magnets on the disc) but that would effect the registered speed. Might try that tomorrow. No idea if changing Assistant Num from 12 would do anything. Detailed info is scant. Pity it isn't as easy as changing the country to US. If I could figure it was a bafang, I'd think about a programmer for it.
@gonatf: So is it generic motor or Bafang? I thought it was advertised as Bafang motor! I wounder how it compare to Benelli bike deal that was $999
The speed limit cut out is written into firmware at manufacture and cannot be changed through the display options. You could try setting the wheel circumference to 26". Most effective option is relocating speed sensor from wheel to swing arm and put magnet on pedal. Speedometer will be lower, just add cheap bike computer. This method is exactly the same as the ultra expensive speed unlock devices.
The US/NZ limit of 32kph is far more sensible and practical than 25kph which is nonsense, when you can pedal a treadly at 40kph.
Wouldn't it be easier just to change the Speed Sensor setting? If it thinks it has 6 magnet sensors then it is going to think it is going slower compared to the reality of three magnets … ½ speed one images.
Speed Sensor setting is also ignored. Might try a bafang programming cable next assuming it is a bafang motor/controller. Otherwise I'll be in magnet territory.
Where are the magnets located and how many are there ? Most bikes have single magnet on spoke and sensor on swing arm. Giant also use single magnet on brake disc and sensor inside swing arm. Yamaha put magnet and sensor on rear axle (typical Japanese !)
@Tradey: Magnets are embedded in a 6-hole 4mm brake gasket spacer. I've ordered a couple of new spacers along with some 8mm magnets. Should be able to swap out the old spacer and replace with one with only a single magnet. Well that's my current theory. I've also ordered a bar magnet and 20cm sensor cable extension in case I need to go the route of sensing via the crank. The spacer replacement approach would be the cleanest if it works.
Engadine Cycles in Sydney carry the XDS equivalent now $1799 pick up, so cheaper than getting the Progear with shipping from Melbourne.
To make the bike operate in unrestricted mode, you can simply unhook the speed sensor cable that runs into the tube on the disc brake side of the wheel. You'll have a 0 speed recorded but power continues to operate. Easiest to remove the rear wheel to do it.
WOW that's handy ! Most bikes will throw up an error code when they don't receive a signal from the speed sensor. Most have 3 wires, positive, negative and signal. If that works just add a bicycle computer for speed, distance numbers. You are done !
Nice to know! Thanks for sharing. I'm picking mine up Thursday and will probably assemble on the weekend. I've noted your early comment about the disc breaks issues. I've never assembled a bike like this before hopefully it goes fine.
How big is the box it comes in? Would it fit in the back of an i30 with the backseats down?
143x80x26
Would 180cm be too tall for this bike?