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Update 7 July: Small decrease from $170.45
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Buy two, save 7% stack one on top of the other as a heatsink!
Modern problems require modern solutions.
Alternatively you could actually buy an NVMe SSD cooler. If you're going to buy this SSD you might as well spend the extra $15 in order to make sure that it will perform at its best.
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/54594/be-quiet-mc1-m-2-s…
PS5 release has truly been a cancer for discussion around ssds, suddenly everyone thinks that one is needed after more than a decade of solid state drives being around. It takes less than 5 minutes to fill this ssd if you're just transferring files to it, if downloading to it then you won't hit it hard enough for it to even warm up.
I agree with you. I got the firecuda 530. Complete overkill. Should have bought the 3000/4000 speeds would have been 100% fine half the price.
more than a decade of solid state drives being around
NVMe Gen 4 hasn’t been around for more than a decade, which is what this is. There’s a very big difference between a 2.5” sata SSD and these. Might be time you updated your knowledge.
I had no idea times had changed either until a few months ago when I switched from a old sata M.2 to a NVMe Gen 4 where I was pulling my hair out trying to diagnose BSODs when copying files.
Sure you don’t need on if you want to put up with random reboots when copying files that take too long.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/does-nvme-ssd-need-heatsink/
less than 5 minutes to fill this ssd if you're just transferring files to it
Speed is limited by the source speed. If you’re copying from a HDD it will take way longer.
We have windows server 2016 running on a server for 5 years, over 1000TB of writes each drive running constantly as a database server and backup web load balancer. (512gb Samsung 960 Pro)
RAID1 with 2 nvme slots. NO HEAT SINK. But in a temperature controlled rack max 38C.
Zero issues.
If you buy junk, you'll have blue screens. Nothing related to the heat unless you cook it over 80C somehow. In which case you need to have a very serious look at why your tower airflow is worse than my squished 1U server from 5 years ago
The linked article would be more believable without the affiliate links or a reference article from 2015…
No need heat sink at all, seriously
Damn, ive been checking constantly expecting under $200 but not this much haha easy buy.
I was going to snap it up when it was $210, but now it's $170, can't say no, also you'll get another 7% off buying any 2 eligible items https://www.amazon.com.au/promotion/psp/A29OZX434ZM7PL/ref=g…
Forgot about that, Just reordered with https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/1589473507 this book for $169.10 delivered.
Edit: Cancelled again and reordered with https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/149284053X this book for $166.45 delivered
Do you think you could/would return the book?
I ordered the sn850x last month (June 7) and purchased a cheap paperback to get the 7% discount.
Paperback arrived, SSD has not, support keep suggesting I cancel the SSD order but haven't offered to provide a coupon to bring the current price down to what I paid.
Not sure what will happen but Amazon just seem to be not shipping my order and not providing any kind of resolution (even though the SSD is still available from Amazon us).
This is the kind of support I'm getting:
https://imgur.com/a/BOhlFxE
@Jackson: They're saying it's a different item. It's the same item, same seller, about $15 more expensive.
Good for PS5 ??
Yes sir, slap a heatsink on it :)
how much is a heatsink and how do you even install it on the PS5?
Duct tape to the controller. The extra distance ensures the heat won't flow back.
$10 on eBay if you must… Remember the thermal pad is more important than the heat sink
No need for a heatsink.
Nah not required. Don’t let the marketing fools you ;)
How do I install this on PS5? Is it easy to do for a noob?
Very easy if you have hands!
No hands is no fun
waiting for the KC3000 to drop to this price lol
I pulled the trigger at $199. Very happy with the KC3000.
KC3000 is great
is the KC3000 better than this one?
yep
add paperback from my deal and get both for $169 lol
Playing FFXVI off it and it's been flawless.
2TB version is now InnoGrit with YMTC 128L NAND. It does perform well, but the component swap is annoying and it does not perform as well as Phison E18 version. The YMTC 128L NAND is not the latest gen (and that's my main concern).
All time low for 2TB XS70 is $159.83. However, it is obvious why the 2TB one is much cheaper. It's due to component swap.
Whats the performance gap, in %?
The performance is still in PCIe gen 4 x4 flagship tier. It's just when you compared it to E18 version's results (on the Web), it just cannot get to that level, especially on low queue depth and the random read/write. Then, you start to question how much of a bargain it really is.
Honestly, if you want to get XS70 2TB, lower your expectation. It's no longer get a E18 SSD at a discounted price. The main issue I have is the NAND. While the controller and 2TB optimisation that controller does let XS70 2TB still beats recent DRAMless SSDs with latest gen YMTC NANDs, it just doesn't feel good. It's priced above the DRAMless 2TB (which is understandable).
Samsung has also done the "ol' switcheroo" trick: changing components of the 980 Pro after good initial reviews:
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/samsung-confirms-970-evo-p…
dirty company.
You link suggests 970 Evo Plus. If you have the info for 980 Pro, could you please post the full link?
970 Evo Plus is a bit tricky to evaluate. The controller switch does improve the performance (so the performance after the switch is actually better). The NAND switch and the more aggressive SLC cache has its pros and cons. The foldback write penalty is higher (with a larger SLC cache, that's expected). In the reviews I saw, the full write performance is basically the same.
Generally, for most people, the current (newer batch) of 970 Evo Plus is better. It beats 980 (non-Pro) consistently. But if you loved writing to SSD all the time, then you might prefer the older batch and sacrifice general performance a bit.
wow i wonder how much the 4tb version is I need to upgrade my 2tb one in my PS5.
There is no 4tb version of the 980 Pro (990 4tb still unreleased it seems).
Perfect timing. Picked this up with some 32gb DDR5 6000 CL30 ram to get the 7%
FYI confirm firmware and update as needed:
From the article:
The issue was discovered by system builder, Puget Systems (via NordicHardware), which has stated that, "despite historically being some of our most reliable parts, we have received a surprising number of reports of failing Samsung drives, specifically with the 2TB version of the 980 Pro."
It goes on to say that, working with Samsung itself, it has been confirmed that the firmware the 980 Pro SSDs were shipping with were responsible for these failures and that they need to be updated as soon as possible.
Thanks for this info, going to cancel my order.
These will likely be 2023 manufactured and be fine, if not it's just a firmware update.
I've bought like 5 of these off Amazon so far this year, all have come pre-loaded with the latest firmware. Everyone should be fine.
If worried, install Samsung Magician and check the firmware version of the drive before loading data onto it.
Buying faulty hardware expecting the company's position to release firmware is a big pass.
Thanks for sharing that.
Are you sure it's not just because they didn't install a heat sink?
Not heatsink related. Had mine with heatsink, had tens of bad sectors (unrecoverable) after only 4 weeks of light use.
Was forced to send to USA for RMA, because Amazon AU and Samsung AU told me to get stuffed. Cost me around ~$100 both way courier (there was also some demands of Amazon USA on what courier etc)
What about this one? Worth the buy for a PS5?
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B09JHL33X7?m=A4XRJ8S0WXSO0&ref=…
Buy the 2tb instead and just get a heatsink
Should I look for USB enclosures with heatsinks,
or should the heatsink be separate to the USB enclosure ?
I have a Z68XP-UD5 (Socket 1155) motherboard which doesn't have an M.2 slot. How would I got about installing one of those? PCI-E > M.2 adapter from ebay?
What speed would the NVME drive need from a PCI-E slot?
It wouldn't work fine, the 12 year old chipset doesn't support nvme. 2nd/3rd gen intel barely even supported sata ssds.
You wouldn't be able to use it as a boot drive even if a pcie>m.2 adapter worked. Also your board is ancient enough that nvme drives are not supported at all. If it did work (some stories of hacking older bios), the speed would be limited to around 750mb/s, basically the same speed as a sata ssd, it's a colossal waste. Using more than 1 pcie device on your motherboard also lowers the pcie speed of the first slot (most likely your gpu) to half.
I'm more surprised that you have a motherboard from 2011 that still works.
Good advice. You seem to know a lot about computer hardware so why are you surprised a 12 year old motherboard still works? I've seen 20 year old computers still working fine in a dusty warehouse so 12 years is nothing in comparrison, especially for a home pc lol. As it stands, my mum is still using a h87m and 4th gen i5 (with a stock intel cpu cooler) that I built her about a decade ago and it's never had a problem. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted 20+ years.
i run a Nvme drive sitting on a pci-e add-in card … my mobo is from maybe 2010 or '11 and its a gen 3 ivy bridge on a socket 1155.
my crucial P1(QLC) tested as one of the fastest anywhere in the world on a benchmark site. Just now did a quick CrystalDisk and it's read/write 1771.1 MB/s & 1622.1 MB/s
Took quite a long time to build just the right sort of wim file bootup usb .. used the Clover methodology and app for that … and had to follow an online guide (quite involved) on the win-raid website. Used up the main graphics card slot for maximum laneways; but still it can be done (!) and will reach proper/full pci-e 3rd gen speeds.
It's the motherboard that's the main issue for hardware from that era. Things like capacitors or mosfets had lots of quality control problems back then, if any of those went pop then you'd be SOL. Even now other components like ram/cpus are much more durable and have far less that can go wrong. It's why you can find 10 year old cpus+ddr3 ram for 40 bucks on ebay but 10 year old motherboards still cost 100+ dollars. As an example, your mum's system would only cost around 30-40 bucks for the cpu+ram (8gb since idk the capacity) but the h87m motherboard still sells for 100-200 bucks on ebay.
@JerraJones: Gigabyte had solid state capacitors since 2007. MOSFETs don't have issues, it's the voltage control that sometimes made these fail. Having said that, since it's an external variable factor, it's fair to say that the majority of non-physically damaged motherboards over 10 years old are still functional, just not being used.
pro lineup died. last true pro was the 960
Thanks bought 8, got the extra 7% off too.
Ooo….nice man! Would be curious to learn your use-case?
All nvme RAID?
NVME Raid 5 and NVME Caching for Homelab.
People are jealous and envious. Don't let them bother you. Live your life.
Haters will hate no matter what.
based on the popularity, I would buy it too, but I'm not sure what to do with them lol
edit: nvm did the math, it checked out. promotion has ended. sads. :(
I'm maxed out on WD850X's
You got the better drive
Should I wait for prime day?
Alright ya got me.
Thanks mate! Has been eying this for ages
I already have 3 SSD drives with 10TB in total and still am trying to justify this! Will need a PCI to M2 expansion card though.
Can anyone recommend a cheap but effective heatsink? Will need it for this and the Lexar NM790 i got arriving from BCPtech (which will now be a data drive) and i'll use this for OS
Need a heatsink while using it as a boot drive and games?
No, a heat sink is required only for PS5.
That's not true, plenty of reports from PC users who have said their drives are reaching 70°+
If your motherboard doesn't have its own heatsink, it's probably worth spending $10 on an aftermarket one
Is 70c even that bad? My old samsung 960 evo 500gb boot drive hits 71c on a good day with the side panel off lol. It's currently 21c in my room and I'm at 71c. You should see it on a summer day with my side panel on! It gets into the 90's. I have had it for about 5-6 years now with zero problems 🤷♂️
@Tythefly86: 70 isn't too bad, 75+ is starting to get bad, and from what I understand may lead to problems down the road.
Also quite a few people saying they see 80+ too which is def too hot and they suspect it's causing system resets.
My 970 Evo never goes above 57°, even when running a large benchmark in crystaldisk mark (edit: that's with the factory heatsink)
@DeToxin: Hmmm, maybe I am wrong. I just did a performance benchmark and Samsung magician is only reporting my drive at 51c yet there are temperature readings on hwinfo that reach 97c. Should I just ignore hwinfo and take samsungs readings?
https://imgur.com/a/foxJmd9
@Tythefly86: Hmm, I'm not sure tbh. Mine reports the same across both.
Are you running th latest hwinfo?
@DeToxin: I wasn't but I just updated it and did another performance test and I got the same results with one of the temp sensors (3) running as high as 96c 😬
Should I replace this drive before it dies or gives me problems? I've been running it like this for years and haven't really had any issues with it as far as I know. Had a few random blue screens in that time but I believe they were related to my old graphics card as I stopped getting them after I replaced it.
@Tythefly86: I wouldn't jump to replacing the drive straight away.
The fact you're getting different readings between hwinfo and Samsung magician seems odd, if both were reporting like 85+ I would probably look at the cooling setup to see if I can change that first.
Maybe check to see if your motherboard firmware is also the latest available, and also try a different monitoring software, I use HWmonitor. It might be that the software is reporting incorrectly.
If you don't have any kind of heatsink on the m.2 drive, probably check some aftermarket option, like the brand JEYI on AliExpress. About $10 delivered. (A lot cheaper than replacing the drive and it might resolve the issue)
Also I'm not sure what your setup is, but if your drive is in a spot with no real airflow then the heatsink might still struggle
Paid $206 2 weeks ago :(
That'll teach ya 😜
I wonder if we'll see a better deal come prime day
yeah I am thinking this right now myself… i guess its certainly possible?
This looks like it
Purchased a second one to return the more expensive one. Beat Amazon at their own game
How? I tried to do the same and shipping is $24 for return
Because it doesn't include a heat sink?