I'm all for AR (Augmented Reality) than VR (Virtual Reality) so I think Apple is heading in the right direction with the new Vision Pro.
The idea and concept is right but it looks hideous. The form is a big fail from me.
I'm not going to be wearing a bulky ski mask around the home or outside for any length of time.
When will someone come out with an AR HUD which looks like Vegetas HUD
This is what will win.
Your thoughts.
Scamsung can barely produce a working phone they have no chance at something this sophisticated
Samesoong will at best do something that's not half as polished and it will still take them at least 4 years to be where Apple is now.
I'm surprised Samsung haven't already released 5 different VR headsets to see what sticks, like they did with smartwatches before the Apple Watch was released.
Like a lot of others are saying.. I think this is Apple's new first 'iPhone' moment.
I think its hard to deny that this implementation of AR/VR headset is the best yet and the price certainly shows.
There'll be plenty of software company that jumps on board cause the fact is.. once Apple heavily invest in a platform, they are often able to create a new market for it. There'll be tens if not hundreds of millions of people who never cared about AR/VR technology until yesterday and software companies will want to capitalise on this new market.
For the masses though, I think we'll see a consumer friendly product by 2025-6.
Personally, I think this really could be the new norm in a few years.. of course in a much slimmer, lighter, more powerful, and longer lasting battery package.. Ah and also.. cheaper.
Look at it this way imagine using your phone without your hands.. For starters I see lots of usable use cases here for the disabled but even more for when you need headphone like usability aka only your head.
It's definitely not mainstream but it might be the new fun and pretty helpful toy.
Like having an apple laptop.
This is dumb and overpriced.
You can do pretty much anything this does on a cheaper VR headset, and as time has shown there just isn't strong enough use cases.
This is an expansion of the whole cryptocurrency/metaverse/NFT bullshit that just doesn't work.
iDisagree.
Point me to a VR headset that is basically a portable personal computer, one that does not require any additional motion trackers, this quality of content viewing.
Sure you can do most of it if you combine a VR headset, with a powerful PC and motion trackers. But it's will cost just as much, if not more and will look and feel like something that's 2 generations behind what the Vision Pro can do.
I'm not even invested in the Apple ecosystem with the only Apple thing I own being a 6 year old Apple laptop but I'm still interested in getting this.
I agree with every you said, but do people really want a personal computer that has to be worn on your head to use? I love VR, I have a wireless Vive Pro and it is awesome, but I don't think I would ever choose to wear a headset to watch a movie or do work no matter how small and light the headset was.
It has an M2 built in. That's some serious compute power. It also has the R1, which I guess allows it to process all the sensors quickly. But the M2 alone probably makes it Apple's most powerful device that is this size or smaller ever. And it's easily the most powerful headset of all time. If it can run MacOS apps then that alone will be a game changer. You could compose and render an After Effects scheme while skydiving, no other headset can do that.
@AustriaBargain: Not saying it can't do it, I'm saying people wont want to do it. That is, I'm not sure if most people will prefer wearing a headset compared to using a large screen to do work.
Also, the M2 is powerful, but is less powerful than a laptop i5 processor (but slightly more efficient) - https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-13500h-v…
The M2's graphics performance is only similar to intel/AMD's integrated graphics and no where near an integrated graphics card. It hard to see how it even powers the 2 5K screens the headset is reported to have.
@AustriaBargain: The Quest can play games wirelessly from a PC - so yes lots of people use the Quest powered by an i5 and lots more powerful PCs.
I play wirelessly on a Vive Pro all the time powered by as Nvidia 3070 and that is 6 times more powerful than the M2.
The processor in the Quest 3 will be pretty close to the M2 in processing power as well but is powering 2,064 by 2,208 pixels per eye not 5K per eye (which is less than 1/5 the number of pixels), which is more realistic with the processing power available.
do people really want a personal computer that has to be worn on your head to use
I'm sure a trillion dollar company did no market research and I'm the only one who wants this /s
this quality of content viewing.
How can you even know this yet?
And the Quest has all these features.
Reviewers that had hand on experience with it for a limited time and the specs.
Quest cannot function as a PC and requires separate controllers. The Quest is more suited for those who game more and The Vision pro is for those who want something with more capability akin to a PC. Different user segments in my opinion.
As a normal person you won't give a shit about this. If you're a VR enthusiast or Apple fanboy this is good. But to say the price is anywhere near approachable is a joke.
And every review I read is basically the hardware is great, but there's no point in having one. Which is the fundamental problem with this. You're paying a huge amount for…..? This sums it up quite well:
"it has emphatically not really answered the question of what these things are really for yet: the main interface is very much a grid of icons, and most of the demos were basically projections of giant screens with very familiar apps on them".
Want to pay $5000 for something I can do on much cheaper hardware? Go ahead… Be the labrat.
You seem super angry about other people's informed free market choices
Why do you think that is
iAgee, this is dumb, dumber, dumbest. Just slap an exorbitant price on some useless product and all the apple fans will jump in with their 'this is the future' tagline.
It's lacking Jony Ive's design touch.
Oh so it will be functional as well as good-looking then.
Ive's legacy are long gone. Get use to it.
Is it though? It's taking a lot of design cues from the Apple Watch.
Seems like a bargain
Cue Jonny Ive voice
This is the thinnest, lightest, most powerful AR/VR headset that apple has ever released.
I find it super interesting how so many people say 'this is the future', in what way? Is the future all of just wearing big goggles and not actually seeing each other? People sitting around in a room with these VR headsets on only interacting in VR? Sounds like a pretty dull future.
Did you watch the video? Even though your eyes are covered you see through the headset because it has cameras on it, and you can see the eyes of other people wearing it. Or at least a 3D recreation of their eyes. And when doing a FaceTime call you see a 3D recreation of their whole head that matches their movements. Not hard to imagine the headset not even being visible if there were two people wearing it and talking to each other in person, the headsets could overlay the 3D recreation over the head of the other person wearing it. And presumably in the future there will be no goggles at all, just a chip in our brains, but probably most of us would use the 3D recreation anyway because we'd be able to have it show younger, cuter versions of ourselves.
I'll have what ^ she's ^ having.
Is the future all of just wearing big goggles and not actually seeing each other?
god I hope so
Cheaper than a top of the range apple monitor and better. Bargain! Take my money.
Good point! Haven't thought about it like that.
What they did right is that people are talking about it. Facebook changed its company name and invests mostly in this and nobody cares.
Obviously a first-gen product aiming towards developers and early adopters, but I can see a use case maybe for businesses to increase collaboration in WFH and remote scenarios?
At that price point I think businesses and corporates will probably be the early adopters.
Yeah, if you look at the HoloLens use cases for corporate, then I can see this eating their lunch, and it's the same price as the HoloLens
Has it taken off in the corporate space?
Anyone know what the refresh rate is? Haven't seen anything about that.
90hz is what I read so far, might just be reviewers guessing tho
A lot of people here (and elsewhere i presume) are confused about the difference between AR and VR.
Apple vision pro is an AR product not VR.
VR takes you out of the real world into the virtual world, whereas AR is a mixed reality of the real and virtual world.
I think it is both though? You can use it in AR mode to retain your surroundings (with your eyes visible on external display) or go into full VR (which displays some visual pattern on the external display) while youre fully immersed
Apple hasn’t announced any immersive VR games or apps for the device.
I have not seen any examples that it is VR.
Until I see a VR example, it’s AR. It’s putting virtual objects in the real world.
VR gamers are the biggest market for top dollar headsets like this though. If they are left out then who is really left to buy it.
I think the product looks really cool though and I would love to play around with it, may have even considered buying one… for $500.
I will be amazed if this isn't a flop.
Wrong.
It's both.
It's going to fizzle
Hard
For content viewing, this is the future. Watch MKBHD impression video on YouTube.
Yeah much like the iPod, iPhone, iPad…
"Less space that an a Nomad. Lame."
6k in Aussie dollars
Or 7
Don't worry, it is Apple. It will be a symbol of richness. Ppl will wear it in public to show their money-power off.
Ppl will wear it in public to show their money-power off.
Not for long while criminals know it's worth > $5k
Dumb criminals who don't understand any device made in the last ten years can be remotely bricked? OK
any device made in the last ten years can be remotely bricked
Not true at all.
I just cant quite understand the use case in its current form (size, price, battery etc), beyond movie/video/photo viewing which can be easily done in a much cheaper VR headset.
vr is like 3d tv, no ty
I like the idea this vision pro thingy - but 2 of these for the household is going to cost $10k. I just dont think this kind of expenditure is justified for leisure usage.
I think the tech in the headset is more impressive than the demo makes out.
For viewing flat screen apps and watching movies in a 3D space it's more gimmick than anything, especially at that price. But when we see some built for VR apps, VR content and VR games this thing is gonna be mind blowing.
Big shoes to fill.
Remember when the iPad was “an oversized iPhone that can’t make calls”?
First release is a functional proof of concept. In 2-3 years we’ll get V2, then a year or two after that V3 and then everyone will have some form of this technology.
But the Metaverse will still not be a thing.
Ok I haven't seen anyone mention this buuuuut..
..with that price and battery life they will sell low millions of units only..
..and with that many installs (vs 1 billion other iOS devices), there is going to be no profitable ROI for developers (beyond the first batch who moved mostly for marketing purposes, not expecting an ROI) to make software for the product that really utilises its features.
No compelling wide selection of software, no utility or reason to buy. You just bought an expensive personal cinema, that's all. A holodeck.. except without the deck.
Actually Apple has thought of this already, they've streamlined their development interfaces to make it easier to port across to all their OSes years ago, so it's very easy to make a visionos app if you already have a mac or ios app.
I think it will do ok but Gen 2 will probably sell better as some people will wait for second gen.
Since it can potentially replace a home office and also your TV/atv esp for single people it will sell. Hmm and in some countries they could then claim it on their taxes as they will use it for work.
Allot of people thought AirPods looked silly and that they would never buy something like that.. and now days walking down the street every fifth person has something similar at least in the cbd of some cities.
But honestly I hope we dont get to the stage of people wearing these down the streets, and if anyone ever met me in a cafe and had a set on… I would tell them to take it off or I would leave.
Do i need to sell a kidney to buy?
Trade-in value will vary. Bring it into a store to get it appraised.
Porn industry will love this.
based on the design,
other people will also know you are watching porn (with a blurry video on the front screen)
I don't think the front screen is a blurry version of the content you're actually watching. I think it's just a generic blob of colours.. and even if it isnt, I reckon there'll be a setting where it makes it a generic blob of colours instead of what you're actually watching.
In saying that.. my friends tell me that Apple doesn't allow pornographic app on the app store, I wouldn't personally know. So I doubt they'll be able to leverage much of the technology other than to have a 120 inch wide screen porno in front of you.
The front is being demoed to only show your eyes (simulating as if they're see through). Also, whytf would it show what you're looking at? It'd be useless.
@ozbargainsam: It shows your eyes when its in AR mode.
When it's in VR mode, it shows a blob of colours.
Either way its useless to the user, but the point of it is to make it less weird for the people around you. Especially when you're in AR mode, it let the people around you know that you can actually see them. To simulate 'normalness' as much as possible.
can you wear it and face it face swap with something else?
This is only a first gen product like iPhone 1 was compared to the current iPhones. I can see a lot of potential, it is the first finished working eye-computer-spatial interface I have seen.
Remeber when iPad was just considered a bigger iPhone and then BOOM, they had to eat their words later in years and succomb to the might of social structure. How will this new goggle craze forgo? I would like see Apple make it mainstream and set the standards high so that I can buy cheaper VR's that are much superior in quiality and cheaper in future in terms of specs.
I still refuse to use or own an iPad. Still waiting for that phase to die out.
I'm not going to be wearing a bulky ski mask around the home or outside for any length of time.
I don’t think you’re the right audience for this product. So perhaps wait for someone else to take a crack at it?
When will someone come out with an AR HUD which looks like Vegeta HUD(elchapuzasinformatico.com)
This has been tried and wasnt a success. It won’t give you a full immersive experience that vision pro is meant to deliver
Your thoughts.
They have not created a vr headset to get it over with but rather taken their time into creating a brand new class of product and eco system and perhaps an industry to go along with it. Not only that, they’ve addressed lot of shortcomings of current headsets. This is only the first generation of such product and over time it will get refined and better. As for the price, yeah it sure is pricy, but i’m glad they have set it there to show that there is a clear difference to be expected between a cardboard product, a $300 vr headset and a $3500 headset. 🤓
What's with the weird product shills in this thread? Random bots or Apple's marketing team?
Whats with the weird critics…..
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Spatial computing is the future. If you don't appreciate Apple's groundbreaking innovations perhaps you should not purchase their products. The rest of us will gladly pay the asking price.
if i understand correctly, it's not true AR. you're still looking at the world through a screen (fed by a camera).
That's not really what defines AR though. Augmented reality just means you can see the real world and a computer generated one at the same time.
Your eyeballs might be behind a completely opaque OLED panel but if there are cameras that let you see past it and into the real world, it qualifies as AR.
Microsoft's Hololens AR headset uses see-through displays so you do see a semi-transparent hologram, but the image quality will suffer since you cannot project a "black" color into the viewer's eyes if there is already light passing through the display. (Since black is the absence of light). Holographic devices have additive displays – Holograms are created by adding light to the light from the real world – white will appear brightly, while black will appear as transparent.
Finally it's happening, I thought about this 15yrs ago, the beginning of the convergence of the mobile phone, tablet, laptop/desktop. These devices are mostly similar except for the different screen sizes. Now we can have one device and a portable huge screen.
Legal or illegal to drive while wearing these?
it's the first iteration and size will probably be slimmed
samsung and others will follow with more functions..wait and watch couple of years.