I'm all for AR (Augmented Reality) than VR (Virtual Reality) so I think Apple is heading in the right direction with the new Vision Pro.
The idea and concept is right but it looks hideous. The form is a big fail from me.
I'm not going to be wearing a bulky ski mask around the home or outside for any length of time.
When will someone come out with an AR HUD which looks like Vegetas HUD
This is what will win.
Your thoughts.
I think the difference is that Apple is marketing this device as something you could wear in a social setting. Pretty sure Meta knows their target audience intend to wear the Quest in a damp corner of a darkened room.
dyson air purifier zone and this i will enjoy city street again.
Can’t run beat saber
it's Apple and will still sold out.
I agree
This is not the way…
I think the cartoon reference you made will never happen. That's not how the human brain and eyes work for AR.
I think you are forgetting humans have 2 eyes and you need a display for each eye to see in 3d.
The AR glasses also needs to be able to work out where your eyeballs are pointing. That means you need to shove quite a lot of Infrared emitters and at least one camera that is looking at your eye so that it knows what objects you are focusing on, and what to render in greater detail (foveated rendering) — then it also needs a dedicated CPU that can work all of this out in real time without too much latency.
For the fancy graphics: you then need an expensive SOC that can drive 23 million pixels across 2 OLED displays to have a user interface that doesn't look pixelated / jagged.
That's not possible with the shape and size of the Dragon Ball Z scouter glasses.
@lookingforTV: Where is there an example it is VR?
Apple hasn’t announced any immersive VR games or apps for the device.
Until I see a VR example, it’s AR. It’s putting virtual objects in the real world.
@SpicyStew: “ Until I see a VR example, it’s AR” - how can you see a VR example if you didn’t watch the presentation? 😂😂
Was it 'working' though?
The fact that it failed so spectacularly, I think would indicate that it did not in fact, 'work'.
Huh? Did you ever try Google glass? It was nothing but some text in the corner of the glasses.
Then get a discontinued google ar glass. /thread 🤷♂️
It will become refined and copied over the years. This initial version is focused on developers and early adopters that have the pockets and interest in dabbling with cutting edge tech.
There'll be variants and cheaper (non-Pro) versions over time. It could be the start of a whole new normalised way of interacting with our gadgets in due course.
I'm gonna be interacting with my gadget in all sorts of new ways
It could be the start of a whole new normalised way of interacting with our gadgets in due course.
That will be interesting. I still want to try doing a day's work in VR so I'd be very interested to try this product out.
Use out in public sounds fun. I can't wait to start catching the train and seeing rows of people with a light swirl on their faces or creepy virtual eyes looking at me.
It's definitely advertised towards the casual mum at home, not the developer or early adopter.
You could buy a smaller apartment and put the Vision on and make it feel bigger. The goggles will get smaller and lighter with time. I think this is going to be the future. One day it'll be built into contact lenses, then eventually there will be no lens at all and we'll get a chip put in our brains that achieves the same thing.
So they can convince you that you’re playing a game like COD when you’re actually committing mass genocide? Can’t wait…
that was the story for a black mirror episode
AR HUD which looks like Vegetas HUD. This is what will win.
Yeah no it will be bifocal glasses like what we're used to seeing people wear.
I’d definitely be down for v2 - great concept but wish they can integrate the camera tech into their future phones. Not really ideal to take a whole headset with you with limited battery to shoot the videos
I like the part where they separated the battery pack (albeit for other reason - weight concerns) , is actually a very welcome move as being so non-apple-like , so you can have it replaced easily yourself when battery goes bad / have a spare for extended use / replace with bigger battery pack, or future improved higher density yet lighter battery pack, etc.
Yeah but you just know an authentic replacement one going to be CRAZY money
Ohh yeah, finger crossed no firmware shenanigans that checks for MFi chip certified licensing on genuine battery just for it work.
@dcep: That bitch is gonna be locked down, don't think for a second that apple is willing to let someone else make that profit.
You can use any USB-C power source for it, including plugged into the wall.
@Scrobo: yeah but they advertise being able to capture your memories and review them as if you were right there, showing the persons kids (i assume) at a park or something… sounds like a great way to get mugged in the carpark for your fancy 5k aud vr goggles.
If someone bought this as part of their service to shoot 3D video for a wedding they would need to buy like six batteries just in case to cover a whole night. Reminds me of Demolition Man where the police camera guy wears the helmet with the camera built in. Also in Demolition Man when Sandra Bullock pulls out the VR helmets for sex. Or the VR helmet Sylvester Stallone wears during his hibernation rehab in Demolition Man. Or in Demolition Man when Nigel Hawthorne's character uses the helmet to access Stallone's memories. Or when Sandra Bullock wears the helmet technology to track Stallone in the movie Demolition Man. Or the helmet Wesley Snipes wears to download information to his brain and interface with computers in the major motion picture Demolition Man.
Wait, I'm confused about the movie. So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?
I think it was called The Man who Couldn't Demolish
Wait, which movie were you talking about again?
Do you think this headset reminds you of the movie Demolition Man?
Not sure about Apple only time will tell. They have a history of winners, and non winners, so too early to tell.
Plus I would also need to use it myself to know what its value could be before calling it.
However also equally not sure anyone can say what the OP says about the other product….
This is what will win.
Ready Player One is suddenly becoming closer to a reality…
Won't do wonders for social interaction, let's be honest
VR is still limited by needing to stand still in one spot, or park your behind on a couch while playing. You're still pretending to walk by pressing buttons and flailing your arms in the air, and you can never feel any objects. We are decades, maybe further, away from anything like Ready Player One.
Ready Player One had a movable 'floor', which doesn't seem too difficult to implement, with sensors on legs or feet to recognise when someone walks/runs/stops. Sure, driving or riding a bike in the VR world is far less likely, but walking around somewhere might not be too far away.
And yeah, touch may be a while away.
That said, the res of the screens on this thing were previously unheard of, so who knows what's being worked on behind the scenes.
What kind of haptics are you rockin?
Does this product solve any existing problem?
It's an enabler not a solver like the smartphone.
If anything it solves the slow input keyboard
Apple fans having an extra $5k they needed to spend.
AR/VR currently is not super user friendly. Vision Pro is likely easy enough to use that your mom could buy it and happily use it. Some other headsets need to be connected to a powerful PC and some moms out there don't even own a powerful PC.
heavy wallet.
Is noone going to mention the price tag? USD$3,500 is over AUD$5,000!!
If you're worried about the price it isn't for you.
With the price of the iphone, I don't think it was "for everyone" either. It doesn't stop people from getting it - some just sold their body parts for it!
I bought the original iPhone 1 for £169
@trapper: On a contract or in 2014?
Original iPhone was $US500 and required a lock in to a 2 year contract. And the only innovative thing about it was a touch screen interface instead of buttons or a stylus (which is pretty basic in concept, but hard to implement).
An early Mac costs thousands of dollars in the 80s and was well worth it for the right people. You can spend $3k on a MacBook Pro easily. This has an M2 chip in it, zillions of sensors and a giant battery, it’s a reasonable price for what it is - it’s just not for everyone.
@freefall101: April 2008, £169 was with no contract.
With contract it was £100 less so only £69, but I didn't want a contract.
This was the price in the UK.
@trapper: A quick google shows they cut the price to £169 in April 2008 however it still required an O2 plan. Seems a pretty amazing deal when the 100 quid price drop was major news, you scored an even better price.
Besides, that the 3G was coming out had already leaked by then and it was clearly just moving stock. I have no doubt the Vision Pro will drop significantly in price when people learn a much better model is coming out soon.
It isn't for anyone. That's the problem really.
Also if you did take this out in public it's going to be a highly visible criminal magnet.
On today's episode of "Inside The Mind Of A Terrified Conservative"
Some kids stole some shoes thirty years ago and you've been clutching your handbags ever since
I mean people line up in the streets to buy a designer handbag for that much. Perspectives differ.
It's expensive, but doesn't feel overpriced is the general feeling. The amount of cutting edge tech baked into this (plus the years of R&D) seems to make it understandable.
For the rest of us, there'll be cheaper options over time. Let the early adopters pay the premium that reduces the price for rest of us (for example: OLED TVs at launch vs now).
Collectors item will be worth 10k in ten years
$10k in 10 years would barely beat inflation. Not a good investment.
Also, don't forget this is a generation zero product, and will be full of all sorts of bugs.
Just make sure you're fitting it right so you get good reception.
Very reasonably priced, like all Apple products, for example: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/MX572FE/A/apple-mac-pr…
The material breakdowns make it actually look fair for what you get. It makes the HoloLens look very expensive at the same price.
It's an Apple product. Doesn't matter how much it costs. People will always empty their wallets and open an extra credit card to buy them.
And sell a kidney or two.
Or we're smarter and better looking so have better jobs and earn more and $5k isn't a big deal
You mad tho
Expect 5999 with GST
Microsoft have only been making ar stuff for 8 years.
Ok
and much like Pocket PC 2000 vs iPhone, its age shows.
nothing worse than looking bad, while looking like an idiot reacting to things you see in the device…..
one day you will see someone on the train wearing it
i live in melb mate, iv seen chicks in fishnets and g strings coming home from stripper events, wearing some Googles wont turn any heads
Easier to mug them.
Easier to mug them.
You will also need to mug their eyes in order to unlock the device using Optic ID.
@DoctorCalculon: I'm thinking stealing their wallet or bag while they're distracted. Not hard to bonk them on the head either.
It's too dangerous to wear in public.
@Caped Baldy: You can use it in AR mode with passthrough, and even when in VR mode, people appear in your view when they get close.
AirPods looked weird at first. Now you look weird without AirPods.
still look weird.
I agree, reminds me of dangling earrings
$5500 AUD. That's nough said.
So it's a more expensive version of hololens several years later, but it's got the apple marketing machine behind it so people will likely eat it up.
USD $3500 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens/buy
AUD $5,599.00 https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/hololens/buy
Hololens is actually just as pricey. But there's a huge gap in the specs of both devices, Hololens is using a Snapdragon 850 (a pretty old gen smartphone processor)
Either way, both products are intended for industrial use, and feasible for companies who think they can get a return on investment on this product
I stand corrected - i looked at hololens 5 or 6 years ago and i thought it was only ~$3-4k AUD at the time, but perhaps i'm misremembering the currency.
#inflation
Huge gap is an understatement, starting with the Hololens's pathetic FoV.
Price is crazy but people will still buy it…
Too much metal and weight - battery is separate and only two hours.
The camera demo was weird. Taking pics of being in the moment but your kids will see a weirdo with a display on their head.
The tech does look amazing.
No weirder than my dad with the shoulder mounted video camera when I was a kid :)
Seriously though, I think next year's iPhone will have the 3D camera.
First Apple wanted our rent money for iPhones and now they want our vacation money as well
Apple Vision Pro = iPhone 1
The Apple Vision Pro 3G arriving in 2025 will be the blockbuster
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AR HUD which looks like Vegetas HUD. This is what will win.
That's gonna cost you over 9000 !!!!!!
Im actually super interested in getting it. I was planning to upgrade my 6 year old home laptop next year anyway and I have been thinking about getting an ultrashort throw projector and ALR screen for a cinema movie watching experience. This will get me both for half the total cost. The movie watching experience will most likely be better, not sure about the computer use and browsing experience though. Downside is the movie watching experience wont be shared unless I get another headset for my partner and kid :( And I will also probably wanna do my browsing and movie watching while lying down on my bed cuz sitting up with that heavy thing strapped to my head is gonna get tiring in no time.
This is the first thing I seen in ages that feels so futuristic that it looks magical. Cant wait to see the kinda apps they build for this. Meditation, 360 VR travel apps, etc. But yes, will prolly make me lazier and not help with social interaction.
Godspeed
However your laptop lasted six years. A projector would probably do the same. This generation of AVP probably has a useful lifespan of 2-3 years, if that, and depending on when they drop the next version. Apple silicon seems to be on a 2-year schedule.
bulky ski mask ..
how about meta quest 2… more bulky