Hammer Drill - Recommendation

justanick on 05/06/2023 - 02:37

Hi All,

I’m in the market for a hammer drill combo with which I can drill in brick wall, timber and use as screw driver. My initial budget was $200 as
I was looking into the Ryobi Hammer drill and also get into an echo system and slowly build on my DIY tools.

I can’t find the 1) anywhere and not sure if this is a discontinued or old drill machine.
2) It seems to have the same drilling machine but two batteries and I don’t need two batteries.

1) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-hp-brushless-premi…

2) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-4-0ah-hp-brushless…

What are my options?

Can someone also recommend a good drill bits combo for drilling into brick, timber and screw driver bits?

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Comments

  • geekcohen on 05/06/2023 - 06:05
    +2

    Look at alternatives like Ozito? They have a hammer drill as well as a Two Rotary Drills, option 1 and option 2

    I've built my DIY tools around Ozito and have had no problems with them. I've got drills, garden tools, working lights, portable speaker, grinder and car vacuum just to name a few things.

    Yes, they are cheaper but I look at it and go, well, if it lasts me two years at $50, then it dies, just get the latest one for probably another $50 rather than maybe spending $200 on another brand that maybe lasts 3 years. But I haven't had anything fail…. yet….. touch wood I don't now that I have just said that.

    • lost in transit on 05/06/2023 - 07:02

      Forget about option 2 regarding the chisel ,weak as piss better off using a spoon, saying that as a hammer drill it’s really good…

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 05/06/2023 - 09:16
      +1

      Ozito have a generous warranty on their tools, 5 years (with receipt), 3 years on batteries.
      Also if you find the tool isn't working to your satisfaction, Bunnings seem to be willing to refund.

  • lomie on 05/06/2023 - 06:58
    +1

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/773230
    Drill bit set

    • apsilon on 05/06/2023 - 07:34
      +1

      Not recommended for OP if they're looking at basic hammer drill for home DIY. That set includes SDS bits they won't be able to use unless they buy an SDS drill, a fairly small selection of regular bits and imperial nut drivers which may or may not be of use. Good price if you can use everything though.

      • lomie on 05/06/2023 - 17:53

        Good point.

    • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 16:37

      Fantastic this is exactly what I’m looking for. Drill bits for brick, timber and screw driver set. If I use Ozito or Ryobi drill will this kit work? Or do I need to buy Dewalt?

  • MS Paint on 05/06/2023 - 08:09
    +4

    and slowly build on my DIY tools.

    I don’t need two batteries.

    This doesn't make sense.

    Ozbargain rule 53.2.6(b) states…

    You can never have too many batteries in your chosen tool brand

  • iamherenow on 05/06/2023 - 08:23
    +2

    Brick walls are the hardest bit of what you want to do. A rotary sds hammer drill is what you need if you are doing lots of holes in brick. If it's just a few, your standard hammer drill will get there eventually - maybe. And with a heap more work.

    • boretentsu on 06/06/2023 - 23:19

      Yeap, agree. I don't know about ryobi but my ozito brushless hammer drill struggles. Requires a lot of push. But ozito also sell an sds rotary which is fairly decent upgrade for masonry. I borrowed this to drill in a hose mount and don't want to drill into masonry again without one.

  • saltypete on 05/06/2023 - 09:11
    +1

    You need 2 batteries.
    If you are doing drilling/screwing and your battery runs out you put the other charged battery in and continue.
    Since you are buying for the ‘echo system’ you generally purchase these without batteries (skins) so you’ll want more batteries.

    FWIW I have Ryobi. Have used them reasonably hard for years. They are adequate. And whatever you initially purchase will likely lock you in.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 05/06/2023 - 09:22
      +2

      +1 for "you need 2 batteries". Depending on the the tools you are using, you may want batteries of different sizes/capacity.
      Some tools, like the Ozito finishing sander, require a small battery size if using the dust collector. Where as if you are drilling multiple holes, in brick, with a hammer or rotary drill, you'll need the capacity of a larger battery.

  • coffeeinmyveins on 05/06/2023 - 10:14

    I recently had to do some DIY and that included drilling into brick and timber. I went with this Makita but the pack that has a battery.

    TBH if you're just doing DIY you don't need a proper hammer drill, this sort of combo drill works perfectly fine. On the battery part, if you're building an entire house then sure get multiple batteries. I drilled about 25 holes into brick and about 30 timber screws and the battery didn't even go down one bar of power.

  • Euphemistic on 05/06/2023 - 10:33

    Ryobi for home use is perfectly fine.

    If you are getting into an ecosystem of tools it indicates you’ll want multiple tools so multiple batteries is a good thing.

    I’ve got Ryobi gear. Most of it has worked very well, had a couple of items fail over the years, it I’ve bought second hand and given them a hiding. I’ve got about 6 batteries and 15 skins. Having extra batteries is great, especially if you are doing tasks that use multiple tools.

  • dtc on 05/06/2023 - 10:43

    Buy an Ozito hammer drill for general and light use and then buy a corded hammer drill for the tough jobs. eg the Ozito one (https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-710w-hammer-drill_p0299328) or there is an AEG one (https://www.bunnings.com.au/aeg-750w-hammer-drill_p6230314) or others (you can even look for an SDS drill if you need to do a lot of holes)

    People seem to forget about corded drills/tools nowadays and, sure, battery ones are more convenient. But corded ones are more powerful at any given price than their battery equivalent and 95% of DIY you are sufficiently near a powerpoint that its not an issue.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 05/06/2023 - 10:59
    +1

    Buy Ozito for the unofficial 1 question asked replacement warranty.

  • JimB on 05/06/2023 - 11:24

    I'm not so sure the lower end (e.g. Ryobi and Ozito) cordless hammer drills are very good for drilling masonry.

    If starting from scratch, the Ozito ecosystem isn't bad.

    Pick up a set with Drill/driver, Impact Drive, angle grinder, circular saw etc. for $2xx

    If you're drilling masonry, you'll appreciate getting a SDS drill… you can pick up a cordless Ozito SDS skin for under $100 (or $200 for a brushless one with chisel function).

    Once you used SDS, you'll never want to use a regular hammer drill again.

    • bargaino on 05/06/2023 - 11:40
      +1

      get an Ozito drill/driver starter kit, plus the $99 rotary hammer drill skin.

    • ahappysloth on 05/06/2023 - 16:34

      What's the advantage of an impact driver? It costs a lot more than a hammer drill with a driver setting. Realistically, what are the real use cases for a mid weight DYI?

      • JimB on 05/06/2023 - 17:20

        If you ever use bugle screws or large masonry screws/bolts an impact driver will do the job with much less fuss and fatigue on your hands.

        My 8yo could drive a 150mm bugle screw into hardwood using a impact driver. Can’t say the same thing with an hammer drill.

        Impact driver is much smaller than hammer drill.

        A cordless Ozito impact driver skin is less than $50. We’ll worth owning one.

    • Euphemistic on 05/06/2023 - 21:09

      My Ryobi regular hammer drill works OK for small diy stuff. It’s not great at really hard concrete, but good enough for regular bricks and mortar.

  • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 16:52

    Guys thank you for the info. My DIY won’t require big work. FYI I bought EGO mower, blower and trimmer.
    I need one tool which will drill into wall, timber, steel frame and screwdriver.

    We are moving to a new house which is double brick. To hang paintings, mount wall TV bracket I’ll need to drill through the brick wall.

    What do you guys think?

    1) Dewalt has a compact size which will help using this as a screwdriver as most often I find doing this.

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dewalt-18v-5ah-xr-li-ion-brushle…

    2) This deal for the drill bits look great
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/773230

  • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 18:28

    Dewalt doesn’t have good reviews the one on my post.

    Shall I go back to my original post Ryobi with two batteries as per OZB rules?

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-4-0ah-hp-brushless…

    Can someone comment on the Dewalt drill bits if I can use them on Ryobi or Ozito drill?
    How would one know which one is for brick steel and timber drill?

    • Euphemistic on 05/06/2023 - 21:16

      With respect, sounds like you need to do a little more searching. Watch some YouTube clips, check some images etc they’ll describe the differences in bits you need for different tasks. A text based forum isn’t a great place to find what you need to learn.

      • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 21:51

        Thanks. My last experience with my local Bunnings was horrible with no quality stuff and rude customer service hence I went to Sydney tools twice.
        My questions on the drill bit:
        1) Since I’m going to order the Dewalt drill bits I wasn’t sure which ones are for brick wall and timber. Yes I’ll Google my way through.
        2) I can’t find out if Dewalt drill bits will fit Ryobi or Ozito?

        • Euphemistic on 05/06/2023 - 22:17
          +1

          Mostly all drill bits will fit any drill. Exception is the special SDS type that sort of lock in and need an SDS drill.

          (You don’t need a dewalt drill - they are for skilled/trade qualified people who have found a Ryobi/ozito isn’t good enough)

          • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 22:21

            @Euphemistic: Thanks a lot. I’m getting the Dewalt bits online now.

          • justanick on 06/06/2023 - 00:26

            @Euphemistic: Another quick question the drill bit has SDS as well. Will that work for Ryobi or Ozito?

  • justanick on 05/06/2023 - 22:29

    For my brushless drill

    Should I buy 1) Ryobi $300 or 2) Ozito combo $149
    - Ozito battery is only 2.5Ah. Does that mean less power?

    1) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-4-0ah-hp-brushless…

    2) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-pxc-18v-13mm-brushless-ham…

    • geekcohen on 06/06/2023 - 07:44

      Ozito battery is only 2.5Ah. Does that mean less power?

      No, it's about how long it lasts. You can get bigger batteries. Just depends on what you are doing and how long for. But obviously the bigger the battery, the more weight when using the drill.

      I've never had an issue with a 2.5Ah on my drills. On a grinder, it doesn't last long, but that's about it.

      • Euphemistic on 06/06/2023 - 10:35
        +1

        Sometimes a bigger battery will provide more power to a tool. Ive noticed it on high draw items like circular saw and blower. Doesn’t normally affect drill power.

  • IIGnomeII on 06/06/2023 - 10:57

    I recommend you stick with a Ryobi or Ozito kit for the ease of warranty issues I think you will encounter as a DIY user.

    You need to decide on two things:
    1) Are you going to want to add more skins (battery tools without batteries) to your battery ecosystem, e.g. torches, grinders etc
    2) Are you willing to pay a bit more to get brushless tools or stick to the cheaper brushed tools? (brushless have more power, less maintenance)

    Batteries you get in any combo drill and driver kit from both brands will be fine, you are not going to be running these constantly throughout the day and regardless you can just chuck them onto charge.
    You will generally save money getting the drill and driver in a combo kit but can get better drills buying them separately.

    My recommendations are these:
    1) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-pxc-18v-cordless-drill-imp… (Brushed tools, need occasional maintenance)
    2) https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-hp-brushless-compa… (Brushless)

    See here for a guide to drill bits: https://www.toolcobber.com.au/power-tools/drilling/accessori…

    • Euphemistic on 06/06/2023 - 11:49

      2) Are you willing to pay a bit more to get brushless tools or stick to the cheaper brushed tools? (brushless have more power, less maintenance)

      While it’s true that a brushed tool MAY require new brushes, they’ll typically run for a very long time before needing them and it’s the ONLY maintenance difference between brushed and brushless. Cleaning, lubing etc will be the same for both.

    • justanick on 06/06/2023 - 13:49

      This is Gold. Thank you so much. My skills with DIY is very basic. I live in an unit and moving to a house. I really don’t know what tools I’ll be using in the future but it’s a good start.

      I’m keen to take up on the Ryobi ecosystem.
      Few questions:

      1) What’s the difference between both of these hammer drill

      https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-4-0ah-hp-brushless…

      https://www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-hp-brushless-compa…

      2) Does Ryobi hammer drill automatically stops screwing when it reaches the right pressure?

      3) The impact drill what would be a practical use of this for a newbie user like me? I know you can use this to screw in extra long nails.

      • Euphemistic on 06/06/2023 - 15:16
        +1

        Does Ryobi hammer drill automatically stops screwing when it reaches the right pressure?

        The hammer drill looks to have a torque setting which will allow you to stop screwing at the preset torque. It didn’t say so on the website, but the numbers around the chuck indicate the torque settings.

        The impact drill what would be a practical use of this for a newbie user like me? I know you can use this to screw in extra long nails.

        It’s an impact driver, not drill. It’s for driving screws in. If you had several screws and holes to make it’d be handy not having to switch bits frequently. You need to be more careful with the trigger though, an impact driver will keep going long after you should have stopped when screwing into softer materials. Can and will snap screws too, especially cheap screws.

      • IIGnomeII on 06/06/2023 - 16:18
        +1

        1) Effectively the difference is the torque, impacts per min and the rpm. You are not going to need the higher torque for your use case as you are drilling into bricks. More torque puts more pressure on the screw/bolt or drill bit and not to be blunt you're more likely to strip the thread or break them with your experience.

        2) Not in the way I think you mean but there is a clutch setting on the collar of the drill that changes how much torque you want to apply, twisting it down to 1 would be very light but going up to the highest/drill/hammer drill setting is using the full torque of the drill. If you were screwing in a small gauge screw into a piece of wood you would lower the clutch so you didn't break the head off the screw as an example. A torque wrench/driver will do this in a similar way.

        3) It is an impact driver not a drill, a drill has a chuck that can be tightened down on a drill bit or screw bit whereas a driver has a quick release for hex bits to drive screws into thicker material. An example would be you would reach for a driver and not a drill if you were screwing a bolt into hardwood, but you probably used a drill the make the pilot hole first.

        TL/DR - Buy the Ryobi combo and don't suffer analysis paralysis. When you find you are exceeding the capability of the Ryobi look to going up a level or move to the trade brands but as a general DIY setup they are more than sufficient.

  • Austaurean on 06/06/2023 - 13:26
    +1

    Ryobi HP have stacks of power for home use and can match trade tools for power too and its a 'Replacement' warranty…

    AEG, Dewalt, Milwaukee, Bosch etc are 'send it away' for repair etc.

    I have AEG and they have been great, but Ryobi HP with a 'replacement warranty' is probably better due to the warranty.

  • justanick on 06/06/2023 - 14:53

    Guys I’m late for the drill bit deal. Called every store in sydney out of stock. Where can I get a similar set with concrete, timber, metal and screw drivers set?
    Of course a deal would be great.

    https://sydneytools.com.au/product/dewalt-dt70764qz-75pce-ts…

  • Gnilgorf on 06/06/2023 - 20:51
    +1

    Bit late to the party, but thought I'd share my thoughts as I happened to be in a very similar situation a few years back. i.e. Looking to start the tool collection for DIY, and at the time, was heavily considering Ryobi at the time.

    Some tidbits to ponder on as your collection grows:
    - Don't feel too beholden with any particular brand or ecosystem. Some tools warrant investing a bit more, other you can go low end and stay there. And having multiple battery systems will give you that flexibility. I started with Ryobi, but now also have Ozito, aswell as AEG gear.
    - A hammer drill is a good all rounder, a great starter, and will get you through most tasks you'll have around the home. Dont get your hopes up with the bricks though! Even with good bits, it may take a 'while' to get through brick. I learnt that the hard way. Feel free to upgrade to the SDS rotary drill later down the track, as it will go from 10's of minutes per drill to seconds. (I happened to pick up a Ryobi kit from a ozb post for $89?)
    - Which I guess leads to, if you know you'll be dealing with certain tasks more often, evenyually get the specialized tool…itll save alot of headaches.
    - Dont get too attached to certain bits and other bobs. They will break over time. But a good set does make life easier!
    - Getting a second drill / driver helps so much! Saves so much time changing bits.
    - Eventually you'll get more batteries anyway from cheap kits and having them in different sizes is a good thing. Sometimes you dont want to lug around a big heavy battery on small tasks, and especially over head tasks.

    And a last thought from Adam Savage, who once advised to get the cheapest tool to test and see if you really need it, then get the best you can afford~ This also lets you flog the cheap tool on FB marketplace or gumtree if you do upgrade!

    Others have given good recos for parts alrdy, and Ryobi is a good brand to start with, so wont go into that. Welcome to the home DIY life =]

    • justanick on 06/06/2023 - 22:22
      +1

      Great post mate. I’ve already decide on the Ryobi combo and the drill bits from @IIGnomeIl

      Thank you everyone for all your support.

    • Euphemistic on 07/06/2023 - 06:12

      Dont get your hopes up with the bricks though! Even with good bits, it may take a 'while' to get through brick.

      This really depends on the bricks. Some a seriously hard, others can be drilled without the hammer action.

  • justanick on 06/06/2023 - 22:33

    Just wanted to ask a silly question. When I’m drilling through brick wall I saw online that you need to insert a plug and then the screws.
    1) How do I find the screws and same size plug?
    2) Do you guys recommend using a tape around the drilling bit to mark the depth of drilling for the different sizes of screws?

      • IIGnomeII on 07/06/2023 - 10:30
        +1

        1) Also to add as there are many types of wall plugs: https://youtu.be/DQx5SVj0biA

        2) It is a way of marking the drill bit for depth so you don't go too far into the material - so yes.

        • justanick on 07/06/2023 - 17:23

          Thank you guys this is Gold. I’m saving these videos.

          If it’s not a big trouble can I get some tips on how to fix drill holes on a brick wall?

          For gyprock I’ve fixed it with some putty from Bunnings it was super easy. In the new house there are some TV bracket mounts which I need to open. Fix the holes and then apply some paint.

  • justanick on 08/06/2023 - 14:40

    Guys for nail holes in the cement brick wall can I use the below product and then paint over it to make the wall refreshed or new again?

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/parfix-340g-triple-expanding-foa…

    • Euphemistic on 08/06/2023 - 15:33

      That’s not the right product.

      • justanick on 08/06/2023 - 21:04

        Would you be able to let me know which is the right product for my use case?

        • Euphemistic on 09/06/2023 - 05:36

          I’m not sure what the right product is. Go to hardware shop, look for filler for bricks.

        • Gnilgorf on 20/06/2023 - 17:25

          Back late to the party but this?
          There are different colours so pick the appropriate one.

          With that noted, painting over brick may or may not be advisable depending on the situation.
          Avoid doing so on older brick houses. It may cause more damage in the long run…but thats a whole other lesson

          • justanick on 20/06/2023 - 23:17

            @Gnilgorf: Thank you. I have added this product to my wish list. I am not sure if this is the right product for our new house.
            The house we will be moving to has double brick cement plaster interior. It has drilled holes from TV unit mount and paintings by the previous owners.

            I asked a Bunnings customer service guy he said to use putty to fill up the hole and use touch up paint.

            I’m still confused :(

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