Very cheap price for a 2TB NVME drive.
Its TLC and DRAMless but for cheap fast storage with acceptable endurance its hard to beat for the price.
Seems to have good reviews: https://www.storagereview.com/review/teamgroup-t-create-clas…
Quick specs:
Edit: Changed Mbps to MBps for the pedantic among us
ok so the owner changed. bye bye PCCG now
director as well, according to a reddit comment it was acquired twice in the last 2-3 years by a Europe based investment firm. (the company that acquired PCCG got acquired itself)
Pccg lost me as a customer years ago after seeing them jack prices on their ebay store…. They had a promo for free postage. On their main site, this AIO was $170+ $27p/h. They jacked the ebay one to $220+ free p/h (to cover all delivery post codes).
They've always charged premium for their postage, most expensive out of all online pc joints. But that practice, and it's happening more & more with everyone (jacking) was the last straw. Their postage kills most deals!
Mwave and centrecom have great flat rate postage costs and it's faster than pccg.
This phenomenon is largely attributed to the costs of doing business on EBay.
Basic economics suggests that the seller will meet the market’s price expectations, provided that price is at (preferably above) the cost of doing business. When the platform allows the market to sort all sellers by cheapest price… you would think that a savvy business would undercut their competitors? Instead, the same product is basically the same price, because all sellers are only able to eke out a slim margin on the platform after the seller’s fees.
The main benefit that EBay offers to sellers is access to the market, but they have to pay a fee to participate with the market, which is passed on to buyers.
Buyers then jump on ozbargain and blame the sellers about Jack, rather than eBay.
Running a website and backend is pretty cheap in comparison, but you don’t get the sweet nectar of familiarly that the market sees in EBay.
I know ebay charges fees but in recent times the jacking changes overnight. One day they sell for $X, next day they charge $Y but still pay the same price % fee, jack it simply because it has free shipping. There is zero excuse for charging more.
Wednesday: $499.99
Thursday : $499.99
Black Friday : was $699.99
Now $499.99
To be fair I think a decent % of people are also blaming eBay for allowing it to happen so easily
@MBix: I agree! Ebay should be held accountable for actions used on their site. Ever since ebay allowed stores like harvey norman, other big chains and THOUSANDS of littler stores to function/use, there are less and less private sales… mainly due to ebay seller fees%. No wonder people use gumtree and other market places to sell their stuff. Buy stores keep getting away with jacking
@Bedgrub: That's what i'm saying about people using other platforms to sell their stuff. I can't blame em neither.
Ebay make money from every sale so i spose they won't act on the jacking situation…. just means more $$$ for them.
But sometimes for some special items you can only find them on PCCG - sad story
Like Cablemod stuff :(
They do have a decent selection of modding mats and tools.
Yep. They went from best in the game to deleting any trace of phone numbers. You are forced to email for literally anything. They ignore people completely on social media.
Ordered a 5800x3d back in the day. Took them ages to tell me it was actually out of stock, then longer to get back to me about waiting vs refund etc etc.
The couple times before that they split an order into several shipments without informing me. Was left waiting on parts to trickle in. Tracking nunbers not being update. Support taking days to get back to ya, if they do at all.
They also banned pickup as an option for aaaaaages, and once gave me a hard time at click and collect because i was on a motorbike.
Screw them. Scorptec pick up the phone, even msy takes walk ins. Never again.
This is sad, they were premium once
Had no issues buying most components for a new build from them at Christmas , I also didn't message them the week leading up to Christmas expecting an immediate response
can I pickup from the cheltenham store?
As far as I'm aware they don't do pickups anymore, but I live in Sydney so never actually checked
@Willy Beamish: thanks, i selected pickup and it said yeah you can go an get it from the store in 4 hours away from here….hmm and postage costs are kinda high.
PCCG moved to Rowville. They closed pickup in 2020 and never reopened it. The pickup option appears at checkout every so often and gets removed days later.
Can I pick up my order?
As an online store we don't have a pick up facility - all orders must be placed online and dispatched by our courier
@9hundred: motomon said they have used pickup recently. I wonder why they haven't updated their FAQ and announce it on socials like they usually do. Their phone line is still closed and everything is done via email.
I've picked up from Rowville 3 times in the last fortnight. On 2 of those occasions I was the only one in there so it went very quickly. Also, they confirmed my pick-up was ready within a couple of hours. My preference these days is Scorptec and BPC Tech, but PCCG do have some of those trickier to source items.
Someone with the sads they don't stock a specific GPU and someone who had a bad comms/shipping experience? I'd expect a lot more than that for anyone to suggest avoiding a company.
They take a while to reply to emails ever since my first purchase in 2009 and I haven't noticed their shipping prices increasing in the last few years.
I've made 5 purchases in 2023 and all shipped within 24-48 hours.
Such a shame, when I was younger and building PC's, PCCG was such a good name in the business. I haven't bought from them in years and was unaware they were bought out.
If PCCG even stocked an item it was a sign it was probably of reliable quality.
Agree that they used to have a great reputation, though they are still my go to website for browsing.
Their website does have a more detailed page compared to other sites. It's clear, easy to read, get a referrence and homework to what you're after…. then buy from somewhere else lmao
this is a story as old as time
this is what happened to newegg
piss on their dead corpse
I went for Gen 4 1TB less but 3x faster speeds with the KC3000
this one's performance is sub-par at best
"The T-CREATE CLASSIC showed very disappointing results, placing at the bottom of the leaderboard in virtually every test (and sometimes by a huge margin)."
"satisfactory performance in day-to-day use, but it must be dirt cheap even for this modest need. To spend $100-$200 on a drive like this when there are so many other faster and less expensive choices readily available is lunacy."
"less expensive choices"……like what?
The performance is what you expect when you're paying budget price for these specs…. What do you want top of the line hardware for budget build prices? Lol …
i just want cheapy cheap, but the other dude was saying there are less expensive choices that's why I asked
I'd LOVE to get top of the line stuff at budget prices lmao!! Ahhhh we can dream…..
It's the cheapest NVME drive on the (Australian) market by a significant margin and its far from the worst. As mentioned in the description, it's best used as a storage drive not a boot drive etc
Only $10 less than the PNY CS1031 at PC Byte, which has higher read and write speeds, but lower TBW rating, which as netsurfer has mentioned in past isn't as big an issue as it's made out to be.
Not bad for a PC game drive, especially since it'll still support directstorage
Seems like a very similar drive. Would just depend on what else you want to buy as to what store you go with
@mfazackerley: very true, with prices trending downward I'm sure there will be many more, better options than either in the next few months for those that can wait.
"satisfactory performance in day-to-day use, but it must be dirt cheap even for this modest need. To spend $100-$200 on a drive like this when there are so many other faster and less expensive choices readily available is lunacy."
To be fair that review was written when the price of the 2TB was $200 USD (~$290 AUD).
If they were to revisit it priced at $139 AUD would that fit their definition of dirt cheap and be considered good value for money now?
Shipping seems to be $15 so looking at $154.
Would the Team MP33 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe PCIe 3.0 SSD from Scorptec for $161 ($151 with eBay Plus) be a better buy?
Why PCCG has more expensive postage than others?
cost me $29 to have CPU/Mobo/RAM/NVMe/PSU/AIO/Keyboard express shipped to Sydney , price seems reasonable to me.
It really depends on the size of your order, for one off small items it may not be worth.
2tb nvme cheaper than mx500 2tb? Whats the catch?
It’s possible if you ran a speed test as to which drive could fill all 2TB of space first, the Mx500 would win. Without DRAM the nvme drives slow down dramatically after a certain amount of data is transferred whereas the SATA drive should remain consistent throughout the writing process.
do all dramless NVME ssd, slow down to crawling speeds after the same amount of data is transferred?
if it does, what is the figure, 10gb? 50gb?
Most, if not all, do that. However, some of the better ones are actually quite competitive with a very aggressive SLC dynamic cache. WD SN570 2TB for example, the current batch has a 900GB SLC cache (so it writes at 3000MB/s+ for 900GB). It does drop to 400MB/s write after the SLC cache is used up (but do bear in mind that it does do SLC cache recovery during that time). Bear in mind, that's with an empty drive, the SLC cache gets smaller as you fill the SSD.
This SSD has a much smaller SLC cache, from what I read, 100GB write averaging about 520MB/s (that suggests SLC cache has already depleted and the reviewer did not show the chart, it was just a standard 100GB file copy).
Technically, this SSD has inferior components. However, it is wired to an interface that has 4X the bandwidth of SATA3. While its sustained write performance is inferior, the 4X bandwidth, despite this SSD not able to max it out, still comes into play. The controller still allows it to read large chuck of data fast. MX500, on the other hand, has DRAM.
It is cheaper as NVMe SSD generally cost less materials (no outer case, less packaging, smaller board). Also, there is a lot of competition on NVMe SSDs at the moment.
Quick specs:
2TB
2,100Mbps Read
1,600Mbps Write
1000TBW Endurance
1600Mbps is slower than a regular spinning HDD.
I think you meant MBps.
Quick specs:
2TB
2,100Mbps Read
1,600Mbps Write
1000TBW Endurance1600Mbps is slower than a regular spinning HDD.
I think you meant MBps.
1,600mbps = 1.6gbps
This is much faster then a HDD
1600 Mbps = 1.6Gbps = 200 MB/s = 0.2 GB/s (all the same)
If you're wondering why you're getting downvoted, it's because the capital B is very important. (the XX/s & XXps is just convention and carries no meaning in and of itself)
I think everyone understood it was megabytes and not megabits… But I've fixed it anyway
Man I'm glad these prices keep on dropping but the high performance ones ain't getting many bargains.
Patience is a virtue I guess, my ps5 waits something nice under 200
Seems to have good reviews: https://www.storagereview.com/review/teamgroup-t-create-clas…
OP, if you want to list a DRAMless SSD deal and think it is great, it is best not to include a review from StorageReview. That site is known to run tests which show the ugly side of DRAMless SSDs.
The conclusion from StorageReview is that it has a dated controller, subpar 4K random reads (the lowest we’ve ever seen in a few years according to the site). So, it is certainly not well suited for heavy multi tasking. Price is good, but you get what you paid for.
Worked at the original PCCG in Oakleigh with James the owner. Top guy and had a real passion, loved the gig.
Used to give him shit coz his last name is Cameron.. No lies.
Big Jim
No lies
True lies?
Given PCCG's mandatory shipping with inflated charges, this comes out at $154 incl shipping to melbourne (same city as PCCG). I think the 2Tb Kingston NV2 @ $179 is far superior to this as a "deal" (better perf, better write endurance, $25 more). If PCCG can fix their shipping, then it might be worth it.
NV2 2TB has NAND and controller lottery so you are couting on getting TLC version, instead of QLC. The QLC version has an aggressive SLC cache which isn't obvious to test initially for most people.
Endurance TBW is inferior (as Kingston wants to cater for QLC).
At PCI gen 3 x4, NV2 2TB gets beaten by SN570 2TB and even at PCIe gen 4 x4 mode for full drive write, SN570 2TB wins by a few minutes (even at PCIe gen 3 x4 mode and that's comparing to NV2 2TB TLC version). QLC version is much slower in writes. Majority of the time, you get the most entry level PCIe gen 4 x4 controller for NV2.
NV2 has to match the price at least due to intrinsic risk to get QLC version.
Yes, the NV2 is NAND lottery… need to pick up a TLC for endurance, but even the QLC outperforms the TCREATE. The controller is superior to TCREATE irrespective of which you get.
Why are you comparing the NV2 ($179) vs SN570 ($229) when the comparison is this deal TCREATE 2TB @ $139 + $15 shipping?
OZB had a SN570 2TB deal for $185. SN570 has 5 years warranty by the way.
QLC outperforms the TCREATE
What's QLC's sustained write speed for NV2 and what's TCREATE's? Can you provide that comparison? The full drive write result for 2TB NV2 QLC I saw isn't pretty at all. I wouldn't spend $179 on a NV2 2TB QLC.
need to pick up a TLC for endurance
You are guessing the actual NAND endurance, rather than what the manufacturer is willing to provide in warranty. It is difficult to do such comparison objectively. Also, you make it sound like you can "pick" which NV2 you want. So, how do I pick one with Phison E21, TLC? Which store, which batch, how to identify?
The main issue is NV2, whether we like it or not, is a low cost PCIe NVMe SSD. Thus, cost is a factor. As a PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD, it is pretty much just there by name. At PCIe gen 4 x4, it struggles to beat SN570 and that's not even the best PCIe gen 3 x4 SSD.
OZB had a SN570 2TB deal for $185.
Well at that price the 570 is better yet.Also, you make it sound like you can "pick" which NV2 you want. So, how do I pick one with Phison E21, TLC?
I thought you can tell by the last 7 digits of the serial number? So go in store, ask to have a look, and if it isn't TLC, then don't buy it?
@netsurfer: nah that's a formatting issue. I stuffed it up somewhat. there are 2 quotes and 2 responses.
You can see the SN/ModelNr on the SSD with the Kingston style packaging without opening it.
@jkim: I am interested in the last 7 digit theory. No one is able to provide any information on how to differentiate. You figured it out? Please enlighten us.
@netsurfer: the last 7 digits will be like nnn.AmmG.
My understanding is that nnn < 006 = TLC, > 006 = QLC. 006 = lottery
@jkim: Are you serious? You are full of it… That's a load of misinformation. Based on what you wrote, a lot of reviewers lied about actually having TLC version (despite providing detail info showing the actual NAND type, and the test results confirming it is TLC).
You don't even know how to properly spot older stock.
That's a load of misinformation.
So you've seen an nv2 with 001-005 and qlc?
You know that number has no bearing on when the SSD is made right?
I didn't say anything about when it was made. I said it's the way to pick the tlc based on what I've read here and there. I'm happy to be proven wrong on this - if you can prove it's really random, great. if not, then it's a method to "pick the tlc", so also great.
What's QLC's sustained write speed for NV2 and what's TCREATE's
NV2 QLC's sustained write is allegedly (from tests): 2800 MBps until 1/4 of "free capacity", and then 260Mb thereafter - so 512Gb on an empty drive, or less if partially filled at fast speed, then slows down to about 2x spindle drive.
2Tb TCREATE write seems to be 500-ish when testing a 100Gb file (haven't seen test results that exhausts the pseudo-SLC cache (file > 670Gb), but given the probability of dealing with files > 500Gb I think the 2800 vs 500 is a sufficient comparison.
@jkim: That's cheating. If I use that approach, I can easily said NV2 is trash since SN570's SLC cache is 900GB. Also, it's dynamic and after 80%, NV2 has no SLC cache to use.
On forum, a few people are encoutering heavy recovery speed of 150MB/s and losing full SLC cache. Bear in mind, NV2 does late recovery and that's one issue I have with my TLC NV2, after 80%, forced recovery is required, 250MB/s.
Dynamic cache has its down side. You run sustained write tests twice in a row, that NV2 QLC will be really ugly.
@jkim: You need to let me know how to get 002 NV2 and if it is QLC, you will buy it from me.
It's cheating because I know how to get NV2 QLC to write at 150MB/s.
SN570 1TB with $20 eGift card makes it difficult to get too excited about 2TB SSDs right now. There's also an Adobe CS 1 month voucher included in SN570.
Why do you keep changing your argument? I'm done with you.
@jkim: TechPower 1TB is 007. So you are saying they lied? According to you, over 006 is for sure QLC. I personly own one in 010+ range. Also TLC.
It's you who need to prove. Everyone knows there is a big lottery.
It is frustrating my NV2s simply don't perform as well as what's shown in the reviews. As an NV2 owner, I don't find them exceptional values with some of the most recent deals.
@jkim: NV2 has pros and cons. Kingston tends to favour late SLC recovery (for TLC) but that can be annoying. I just don't know when the SLC is fully recovered. Problem is, let's say I used 90% of SLC cache. I then delete all files. Within 5-10 minutes, only 10% SLC cache is available, even with an empty drive.
I get it allows full TLC speed for much longer. For QLC, it most likely cannot do that. So, for the same exercise, you will be lucky to get 15% SLC cache back for second run.
NV2 is still cost effective range, but let's not overhype it.
Also, TechPowerUp's 007 one seems to be the uncrippled Phison E21 batch. My one, lower number, is crippled to be like SMI version. No consistency.
Your assuming everyone wants to buy a stand alone ssd. What about the people buying a system or multiple parts and then the delivery cost is largely irrelevant?
If you think the Kingston is a better deal then post it and see how it goes.
This is gen 3 not gen 4 else good for PS5…
I picked it up today from the store all the way out in Rowville, to save on the heavy postage costs.
I'd advise against buying from PCCG for now check the comments here https://www.reddit.com/r/bapcsalesaustralia/comments/113mkvx…
and here https://www.reddit.com/r/bapcsalesaustralia/comments/10qh71v…