Gender Pay Gap - What Happens Now?

Barca123 on 05/02/2023 - 16:41
Last edited 06/02/2023 - 09:55 by 2 other users

For many years there have been attempts to reduce the gender pay gap in Australia. According to the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (source):

  • The national gender pay gap is 14.1%.
  • Men are earning an average of $263.90 more than women a week.

In recent times, we have seen more and more people transition from one gender to another. So, how will this affect the gender pay gap?
Will this close the gap? Will it make the previous gender pay gap reporting redundant? Will the gender pay gap continue to focus on those two genders only?

Interested to hear everyone's thoughts.

Update

Woah! Thanks to all for your comments. Just to clarify what this post was about, and sorry to those who misinterpreted what I was trying to ask (I should have written it differently) - I was merely posing the question from a statistics point of view, and nothing else lol. Meaning, something that has been reported on for a long time and what happens when the parameters change.

Poll Options

  • 9
    Gender Pay Gap figures will be skewed;
  • 222
    Gender Pay Gap figures will not be affected;
  • 8
    Gender Pay Gap reporting will be redundant.
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  • helpme on 06/02/2023 - 21:46
    +4

    What paygap? In every job I've worked at, women in the same role has been paid the exact same as me.

  • Cusack on 06/02/2023 - 23:02
    +1

    You lost me at gender pay gap. Lol

  • Cluster on 06/02/2023 - 23:19

    The number of people transitioning to another gender is a rounding error in Australia. It's not going to change the statistics.

    If a man transitions to a woman in the same job, they don't get paid less. If a woman transitions to a man, they likewise don't suddenly earn more money.

    The wage gender gap is primarily based around the jobs people choose, not how they identify. If women want to earn more, they can get the required qualifications in medicine, engineering, construction, and ITC. I fully support all education opportunities for people to achieve what they desire in life.

  • BuyoTheCat on 07/02/2023 - 00:03
    +2

    Pay everyone less

  • dowhatuwant2 on 07/02/2023 - 11:09
    +8

    If anything women actually get paid more for equivalent work already.

    • Gervais fanboy on 07/02/2023 - 11:37
      +2

      Let’s not even talk about the quotas that these pretentious corporate companies have for women and other ‘minorities’..

      • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 14:17

        all fun and games until straight men will start acting zesty to take the spot. 💅

      • foxpants on 07/02/2023 - 18:37
        +2

        Not only pretentious corporate companies, I work for a state government department, and there is a clear, transparent, documented initiative to have more women in leadership positions. This already flies in the face of good hiring practices that aim to get the best person for the job, and legitimately discriminates against men, but specifically the government selection process. Why on earth gender ever needs to be considered for the vast majority of 'normal' jobs, is beyond me.

        • Gervais fanboy on 07/02/2023 - 22:00
          +2

          Revers sexism and reverse racism - Perfectly fine and welcomed.

          One of the key things that made West what it once was at its peak, was the element of Meritocracy, rest of the world learnt from it and adopted it as much as they could.
          Funnily, it’s the West that’s rejecting all of its own tried and tested methods.
          Only a matter of time before the West would be brought to its knees, not coz of any foreign influences/threats but because it would implode from the inside.
          As we are seeing it happen in real time.

        • Cusack on 08/02/2023 - 19:56
          +2

          Yep. Congrats you get the job coz you have a …….. vagina

  • CowFrogHorse on 07/02/2023 - 11:27

    Its funny how some women are complaining about the pay gap, but nobody complains they are forced to waste 10 - 20 hours commuting each week to work and get zero pay for this.

    All those clever developers and other businesses selling Australian university spots so they can earn a dollar, while the rest of the community is screwed.

    Back on the commuting and traffic thing, everyone in a big city lost basically half their week for NOTHING and nobody even stops to say this isnt right. Why am i spending 2 - 4 hours a day on a train so someone can sell an apartment to someone else. WHY did my parents pay tax, which built up all these Australian unis, so they could sell spots to foreign students.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 14:14

      hmmm you sound smárt, you should become presidenté

      • CowFrogHorse on 07/02/2023 - 18:23

        Can you actually write a complete sentence with half an idea or statement ?

        • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 19:07
          +1

          I could but then I would look like you. 😂😂😂

          • CowFrogHorse on 08/02/2023 - 18:15

            @[Deactivated]: Wow how gracious you are, for being "smart" one wonders why you dont teach and share your knowledge.

            On the other hand you show how mean spirited you are by showing the only skill that you have, lame 5 yo worthless insults.

    • helpme on 07/02/2023 - 20:56

      are forced to waste 10 - 20 hours commuting each week to work and get zero pay for this

      What's the solution to this? We're free to choose where we live.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 14:13

    tldr: BLAH blah blah blah blah blah blah

    verdict: Don't waste time reading or engaging with this post.

  • Freitag on 07/02/2023 - 14:26
    +5

    If there is a gender pay gap, please let me know how I can Ozbargain it (take advantage of it and save money), e.g. hire female accountant for 14% less, or employees, or subcontractors… examples welcome. By giving them more business it will probably drive up prices.

    • Sweet Berry on 07/02/2023 - 14:59
      +1

      It is a scam. They are not doing equal work. It's the same with supermarket workers who are doing the same amount of full-time hours. The men will have to do the warehousing/stock picking, whilst the women will get the customer service facing and less manual labour tasks.

      The job is compensated for the additional risks, hernia and back issues, and more. Enough of this bashing of men, we already lack enough high quality men; so for us to rub it in their faces is just immoral.

      You can have the same title in the office, but are you doing the presentations, or are you just the assistant? Presenting material in front of a large audience is something that needs to be compensated for.

      These are just a few examples.

      • jjjaar on 07/02/2023 - 19:29

        It is a scam. They are not doing equal work.

        Absolute crap. In my field and many others, if you are working for private companies women doing the exact same work are getting paid less. I was training men who got paid more than me. Left and didn’t look back. But as Ughhh explains, you’re usually forbidden to discuss salary, so it never gets better.

        Also have you ever worked customer facing? Because I worked at colesworth as a teen and I was physically assaulted on several occasions. Risk is definitely not fairly calculated.

        • soan papdi on 07/02/2023 - 22:45

          you’re usually forbidden to discuss salary, so it never gets better.

          Salary related discussions are not verboten. Not any more.

          https://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay-and-wages/pay-secrecy

          Employees and future employees have the right to:

          • share (or not share) information about:
            • their pay
            • their employment terms and conditions that would be needed to work out their pay, such as their hours of work
          • ask other employees (with the same or a different employer) about their:
            • pay
            • employment terms and conditions that would be needed to work out their pay, such as their hours of work.

          Employees can’t be forced to give this information to another employee if they don’t want to.

          • jjjaar on 07/02/2023 - 22:49

            @soan papdi: Yes but if you’re new to the company or have only been there a year or so, and you’re fresh out of uni, you usually don’t know your rights. So if the company still tells you you can’t or shouldn’t, you’re gonna listen to them to not get into trouble, rather than fight for yourself.

            • Yawhae on 07/02/2023 - 23:51

              @jjjaar: So what's the problem? You found out an employee who has less training is getting paid better than you. At any point in time did you negotiate your salary, did you attempt to understand and articulate your worth?

              This will be a constant battle you will need to have with your employer and employers aren't going to give significant pay bumps unless you can justify them. The problem isn't men get paid more, it's that women tend to avoid these confrontational discussion with their employers.

              • jjjaar on 08/02/2023 - 08:07

                @Yawhae: The fact that you think that women avoid these conversations but men don’t, and you think it’s ok that a discrepancy is allowed purely because of this just shows how stuffed the system is.

                You are part of the problem. It sounds like if you were in charge of allocating pay, you would have no issue continuing this system, even if it meant that the men who “asked” were less valuable to the organisation, or more easily replaceable, then the women.

                But even then, your assumptions are incredibly incorrect.

                At any point in time did you negotiate your salary, did you attempt to understand and articulate your worth?

                Yes. Consistently. But thanks for your assumption that women are just scawed widdle babies that don’t try to stick up for themselves.

                Prior to performance reviews I reminded them of my worth to the organisation and what I was expecting at the progression. During performance reviews I had this conversation again and told them what I was expecting. After performance reviews when I was given my new salary, it was no where near what had been discussed.

                Myself and other women were fed the line “there’s no money left in the budget”. Yet most men were offered much higher.

                Even after demanding this be reviewed, women were just never given the same respect as the men around the process of negotiations and the outcome.

                After the first time, I spoke to a male who had been there a couple of years longer than me and he told me that he had been given close to his request each year and he was actually shocked to learn I hadn’t gotten anything when I had asked.

                Finally I realised this trend and began discussing salary with most of my colleagues and we all (women and men) realised just how bad it was.

                Needless to say of the some 25 women they had, there’s only about 3 left now. And quite a few men had left after they realised the discrepancies.

                Interestingly, when most of us resigned, they begged us to stay and offered us a substantial salary increase to do so. Shocking how there was now money in the budget.

                Oh and before you jump on the “that was just that one organisation” excuse, no. It is most (but not all) businesses in my field. As we all moved to other companies in the subsequent years, we found the same issues in a lot of them. Thankfully we’ve now ended up in the good places that do respect women.

                • Yawhae on 08/02/2023 - 18:09

                  @jjjaar: I'm disappointed to hear this has been your experience and perhaps I could have worded my opinion a little better.

                  From my personal experience in asking for pay rises, I have never waited for performance reviews, if I have being shot down I start looking for a new job. A new job offer also gives you more agency in your bargaining power and as you have stated above employers tend to find the money in their budget when confronted with either losing you or paying you more.

                  I look at it this way, my employer wants the most from me, and I want the most from them, at some point in time one party will disappoint the other.

                  • jjjaar on 08/02/2023 - 18:58

                    @Yawhae: I tried to discuss at various times throughout the year. I was told “ask at reviews” or “ask NOT at reviews”. Basically any time I asked, it was wrong. Which is why I left. I didn’t even entertain their offer, though I did ask them why they didn’t give me that when I asked. They fed me the budget line again.

                    As I said, other companies that we have all left to join are not as bad as this, but others definitely are just as bad.

                    It’s probably about 50/50 companies where women get paid less for identical roles in my industry. Identical roles should have identical pay, regardless of gender.

                    • Yawhae on 08/02/2023 - 19:13

                      @jjjaar: It sounds like you've tried your best. I hope you didn't stay with that company for very long.

                      I'm not really a supporter of identical pay even if the role definition is the same and I'm not talking about men been paid more or less I'm talking about an individual been paid more. It becomes difficult to quantify someone's output based purely on a role description.

                      In other words would you expect an accountant of 10 years to be paid the same as accountant of 2?

                      • jjjaar on 09/02/2023 - 00:02

                        @Yawhae: Definitely stayed too long, but at least opened a lot of other women’s eyes open and they all followed suit.

                        Yeah I get your point, but if the person who has been there 10 years doesn’t actually do their job, then they don’t really deserve more pay just because of their experience.

                        There’s a lot to be said for the identical base salary, and either bonuses and/or progression pay based on performance and/or experience.

                        So everyone doing X role gets 70m a year. Then every year you keep doing it well, you get a predetermined increase (with no ability to give someone more than this increase just because they’re a man or they’re mates with the manager or whatever).

                        That way at least in your accountant analogy, if there are two people at 2 years who have been doing the same job and have both been doing what’s asked of them, they should be on the same salary. And if a third person has been there 2 years as well, but they have been slacking off a bit and missing tasks and not really up to par, they wouldn’t have qualified for the progression, so they’re either still at base, or only progressed one year.

                        You definitely have to give people a reason to do what’s expected of them, rather than just progressing them because time has passed. But you’re right that someone who is doing their job and has been for 10 years should be paid more than someone who is doing their job but has only been there for 2.

                      • jjjaar on 09/02/2023 - 11:40

                        @Yawhae: Just another point - Appreciate your comment that you agreed I tried.

                        The big issue is that it can take time in an org to realise this is happening, and then time to fight for your worth.

                        So even if every woman was trying all of the above and fighting for what is fair, it would likely take them 1-2 years in that org until they either are successful or give up.

                        That’s 1-2 years of being paid less. This adds up and it’s exactly why there is a gender pay gap.

                        Even losing staff, companies will keep trying to get away with it and take advantage of the cheaper labour for the 1-2 years, and then just do it again and again with other women. Especially those new to the field either from uni or elsewhere.

                        Predetermined base salaries and progression amounts, and decent information outlining how people qualify for progression is really the only way for companies to be fair for all.

                        Transparency of this is key too.

                        Knowing how much more you’ll earn at the next progression if you meet your goals and targets is a motivator. Not knowing, or not having clear information on how to progress is how companies get away with “you did good but not enough”, either if it’s a way to pay women less, or if it’s a way to just not respect any staff.

                        • Yawhae on 09/02/2023 - 13:44

                          @jjjaar: Its an interesting topic when it comes to pay transparency. Its one of the the biggest factors around the explosion in executive pay increase.

                          When a CEOs pay is publicly available it is leveraged by other CEOs for their own increases in other companies. Effectively meaning they know how to play the game.

                          What this means to employees is that we also need to do the same, as tiresome as it is. We need to leverage the markets value against our own position constantly…

                          Pay transparency is a direct opposition of pay parity, and both can't get coexist unless we go down the rabbit hole of communism.

                          For example, why would an employee of equivalent responsibility accept a lower pay at Company A if Company B is paying more.

                          As nice as it would be that everyone is paid exactly accordingly to their skill and effort, it's an impossibility in a world with so much variation.

            • [Deactivated] on 08/02/2023 - 00:10
              -3

              @jjjaar: an actual woman giving her input in the comments to this post? waiting for the men to come and tell you how you're wrong and invalidate your experiences.

    • Ughhh on 07/02/2023 - 16:44
      +1

      Given that most employment contracts forbid you from sharing your salary with co-workers and its kinda a taboo topic, all you gotta do is just not offer them as much money as your bros doing the same work. Mind blowing isnt it.

  • Sweet Berry on 07/02/2023 - 14:56
    +1

    It's simple and obvious but men don't want to come out and state the obvious. So, I guess I'll do it for them instead.

    There are a lot of situations where full time work with the same title will lead to two different outcomes. This is due to variations in the level of skill between women and men.

    A female engineer generally will not be told to dig trenches. A male engineer will get this bottom feeder job. That's the sad reality, but no one is talking about it. The pay scale is adjusted for this and it is really obvious.

  • bomberswarm2 on 07/02/2023 - 15:10

    They never clarify how this is calculated. I know for a fact I have always made the same as my female coworkers in the same role. That is what they want you to believe the gender pay gap is, but I'm pretty sure they are adding together the wages of every working or possibly simply every person in the country, and what this actually shows is either more men are in the workforce than women, or that more men are in the top 1% paid jobs.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 15:22

      It's based on the average of full time male and female workers. It doesn't account for role or hours. The number of men and women in full time work does not affect the results, because it's based on the average.

      • Eeples on 07/02/2023 - 17:41

        But more men doing more overtime than women does effect the result.

        • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 17:42

          Affect, and yes it does. As I said, it doesn't account for hours.

        • Baghern on 08/02/2023 - 23:30

          The Vice president, or who ever 2nd in charge, use this as an excuse in the Senate

          "part time workers work harder"

          As most part timer workers were women

  • pogichinoy on 07/02/2023 - 16:42
    +2

    Oh we're still thinking the gap is real?

    • Baghern on 08/02/2023 - 23:31

      Its real, im surprised its not higher.

      Its not about equal pay for equal work though

  • DiscoJango on 07/02/2023 - 21:21

    Me peepee demands extra pay

  • [Deactivated] on 07/02/2023 - 22:49
    +1

    Ive just taken up pole dancing and Im earning way less than my female colleagues.
    I Call shenanigans

    • Yawhae on 07/02/2023 - 23:34
      +2

      As the source document points out. This isn't based on equal pay it's based on pay gap. A male and female working the same position for the same employer have a negligible difference between their pays.

      This is essentially saying there are more men in better paying jobs than women. Even though in most circumstances women willing chose to take career paths that pay less.

      For example engineering is a career that's is male dominated. Administration or receptionist is female dominated. This source is comparing the two and saying there is a pay gap between these workers, when in actuality there is a gap in technical skill which is recognised by the employer and remunerated accordingly.

      In short women aren't paid less because employers underpay them. Women are paid less because they choose career paths that are not as valuable to their employers.

      • [Deactivated] on 08/02/2023 - 01:32

        So how do we convince women to shovel shit out in the sun and rain. Serious question.

        • Gervais fanboy on 08/02/2023 - 01:36

          Ideally it shouldn’t be a Tit for Tat like competition between the two genders..

          We are meant to collaborate and co exist but unfortunately the establishment would rather us minions keep fighting amongst ourselves.

          • [Deactivated] on 08/02/2023 - 01:44

            @Gervais fanboy: Forget about the establishment, greed runs the show. Women should be happy they haven't wasted their lives and ruined their bodies (that's what parenthood is for)

            • Gervais fanboy on 08/02/2023 - 03:14

              @[Deactivated]:

              Women should be

              lol, who determines what women ‘should be’ doing in their lives.
              Traditional Gender roles have been stigmatised into oblivion, pretty much.
              People do what they are programmed to do.
              Institutions and media have propagated this false reality where a woman’s perceived worth arises out of her career and professional excellence, full time housewives and mothers are considered second class citizens, in urban settings.

              So how can I blame the victim, we should rather talk and scrutinise the source behind all of this.

              • [Deactivated] on 08/02/2023 - 10:33

                @Gervais fanboy: You make a good point, which is precisely why we need them to start shovelling shit in the sun and rain

  • Davo1111 on 08/02/2023 - 00:43
    +3

    If the pay gap accounted for the positions, then companies would go out of their way to hire women for cheap. It's a $12.6k saving per person

    • Heaps for Cheaps on 08/02/2023 - 12:43

      Great comment, first time I have read it in the context of gender pay gap, and it completely makes sense.

  • OzBarAnon on 08/02/2023 - 01:19

    Change due to transgenderism will likely be very marginal due to the small number of them. That being said, there seems to be more MtF than FtM (anecdotal, I'm not claiming this is data based) which means a very slight reduction in things like % of women taking maternity leave, subsequently stalling career progression.

  • nuttapillar on 08/02/2023 - 08:37

    We need to focus less on the pay gap. As long as women are less inclined to work jobs such as mining, oil drilling, surgery, anaesthesiology, piloting, and IT managing, then it makes sense that their average salary will be lower.

  • krazek on 08/02/2023 - 08:45
    +2

    There is no pay gap, men and women doing the same job earn exactly the same amount, by law. The reason women on average earn less is due to the industries they are in. A female mechanical engineer will earn exactly the same as a male mechanical engineer.

    • Baghern on 08/02/2023 - 23:28

      There is a pay gap, you've just been fooled into thinking its about equal pay for equal work

      • [Deactivated] on 09/02/2023 - 00:08

        Well if it's about equal pay for less work, I want to be the one doing the less work please.

        When I imagine an actual pay gap, I'm thinking senior management on negotiated salaries, with luxury company cars and that sort of thing. Big business is always gonna be a corrupt boys club. But let's be honest, these figures are taking the pay gap thing out of context.

        The government is telling us that it's a crude average across all industries on the one hand, then they tell us that female dominated industries generally pay worse. So why the hell doesn't the government just increase the award for those industries?

      • krazek on 09/02/2023 - 06:55

        It's illegal to pay women and men different salaries doing the exact same role. No pay gap. Everyone has equal opportunity to do the same job

  • johnfuller on 08/02/2023 - 09:14

    men get paid more because they do more laborious jobs that cannot be done by women, the gap will never close and dont expect it to

    • Donaldhump on 08/02/2023 - 11:02
      +1

      100%

      ive had 30+ tradies over last year at house, not one is a woman.

      99.9% of brickies are men apparently.

      you barely ever see female fence builder, landscapers, roofers, plumbers, electricians.

      A female doing exact like for like job as a male should get the same, if skill/speed is equivelant.

      • amzinguserman on 08/02/2023 - 19:32

        There are a lot of jobs in construction that dont require any high levels of physical strength but still male dominated , think of surveying , estimating , site supervising , drafting.

        • Donaldhump on 08/02/2023 - 22:09

          yet you don't see them

          example of why pay gap exists

          recpetionist mainly female 50k
          concreters / roofers / electricians / plumbers 100k all male (yet to see one)

          • amzinguserman on 08/02/2023 - 22:50

            @Donaldhump: yeh its not because of money,

            its because of work place culture on sites.

            basic stuff like having clean bathrooms, being treated with respect and that sort of thing.

            • Donaldhump on 08/02/2023 - 23:09

              @amzinguserman: funny most tradies i use work for themselves, use customers toilets as jobs are 1-2 hours, so none of the above apply. might have to learn a trade amongst other blokes first but so what, if a woman can't use a portaloo and needs an office toilet exclusively for women that's their choice.

              i'd say alot of it is females dont like getting dirty, lifting heavy shit / can't lift heavy shit, being in the heat and cold, climbin in roof caveties, getting human shit on them

              like for like job with same skills should be same pay, but you get what you ask no one forces a person to take the job.

              its a free world any person can chose to accept a job or not. females and males that work under me in office roles get pay based on experience / worth.

              • amzinguserman on 09/02/2023 - 00:01

                @Donaldhump: yeah see im talking about higher level construction jobs on site while you are talking about trades people.

            • johnfuller on 09/02/2023 - 11:01

              @amzinguserman: its not the work culture, its just not the type of work for a woman, if your woman came home with concrete hands, how long would the relationship last? yeah she probably gets paid more than you ..

  • dcash on 08/02/2023 - 11:27
    +1

    Fixing the so-called 'gender pay gap' makes as much as sense as suggesting that everybody should be paid the same amount, no matter what job or profession they are in. It's just another outlet for dried up old feminists like Albanese and Wong to have a whinge.

    • Donaldhump on 08/02/2023 - 23:05

      yes we would then be like cuba where a pro baseball player, eye surgeon and dunny cleaner all get the same wage

  • pformag on 08/02/2023 - 12:38
    +2

    The old pay gap myth.

  • Freitag on 08/02/2023 - 13:50

    I'd like to raise awareness of the gender spend gap.

    My wife earns less than I do but spends much more… They only possible explanation is I am a victim of systematic oppression of the matriarchy.

  • SydneySchnorrer on 08/02/2023 - 13:59
    +4

    Dear Internet, thank you for reminding us all that stupid people still make stupid posts.

  • ChupaCabra on 08/02/2023 - 16:44
    +1

    Men may be earning $270 more but I'm easily spending more than that when paying for 90% of the bills on dates. Probably close to $400 a week. Just saying as that's more of an uneven balance in my case. Also I'm not saying I don't believe in equality merely just adding another perspective on this.

    • plmko on 09/02/2023 - 01:38

      You just have shit taste in women my friend. The first date is ok but set them straight, anyone who doesn't play ball you need to cut out fast and just move on. No reason why you should subsidising anyone.

  • CurlCurl on 08/02/2023 - 16:57
    +1

    With the crap posted here I don't think the posters have any idea about transgender people.

    Before you ask: I am not transgender, and have no desire to change my sex.

  • amzinguserman on 08/02/2023 - 18:26
    +1

    another day another ozbargain post of sexism and transphobia.

    doing good work scotty.

    • CurlCurl on 08/02/2023 - 18:46

      No sexism or transphobia from me. Lets just say I have…. think I'll leave it at that.

    • Gervais fanboy on 08/02/2023 - 18:53

      sexism and transphobia.

      Bother to quote something in particular?

      From last of what I checked, Ozbargain has very strict policies against prejudice of any kind.
      About time they started disciplining people making slanderous comments on this site.

      • CurlCurl on 08/02/2023 - 20:26
        +1

        What right exactly do trans people want that conservatives are denying?
        The right to ignore reality and science?
        The right to indoctinate and mutilate children?
        Yep - we absolutely should deny those 'rights'.

        Well said. Can't let bullshit like the post youre responding too slide. The 'rights' the deviant woke mob want is the right to force people to indulge the sexual fetish of some disturbed men.

  • Empharand on 08/02/2023 - 18:55
    +1

    Oh boy…..
    Can we close this thread. This is OzBargain not OzDebate

  • [Deactivated] on 08/02/2023 - 19:57

    If women earn 14% less; how then do they manage to account for 70% of discretionary spending?
    Is it manipulating men for their income or government support not counted in the wage gap?

  • DingoBilly on 08/02/2023 - 20:11

    Oooof. OP is trolling for sure but otherwise has such a poor understanding of a few issues.

  • Baghern on 08/02/2023 - 23:26

    WGEA are rubbish

    They're so bad David Len… what ever his name is humiliated them in the Senate

    The pay gap is real. What they can't say, but constantly infer, "equal pay for equal work".

    Every time I speak to a women about this, they always thinks its about equal pay for equal work.

    The articles that are posted about the Pay gap are so bad the RBA had to add a paragraph to the statistics page to state that the page gap does not infer people are paid differently.

  • albiilive on 09/02/2023 - 00:12

    this thread sucks balls

  • kabammi on 09/02/2023 - 10:43

    Gender transitioned females aside, the pay gap is an effect of gender biased industries. I personally think it's flat wrong to say "women get 14% less", like they all do. In my industry, women have equal pay and in addition, there are specific women-only promotions, awards, prizes and salaries which men cannot access or apply for. Of course, there are similar awards and promotions open to "all" which women can also apply for. In my industry (tertiary education and academia) the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction it's discriminatory to everyone except women. They're trying to make up the whole 14% pay gap difference when it's other industries such as nursing which grossly underpay that are dominated by women. That's the issue. There are approaching half a million nurses in this country and 89% of them are female. Pay nurses and female-dominated industries (child carers for example) more! They deserve it! That'll massively help to rebalance the gap. Notice those industries are mostly government funded? Govt talks the talk but doesn't want to walk it. Male-dominated industries (trades, for example) are paid really well, and commercial trades are flooded with cash by the govt when major construction projects are happening. Govt cash filters down to a male dominated industry, but not a huge female dominated industry. Both do essential work.

  • Wayne7497 on 09/02/2023 - 12:09
    +1

    Gender pay gaps a myth

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