My kid had traumatic experience with the school teacher. He yells and screams at the kids.
I have reported to the school, and as expected, they have not taken any action. What else can I do? My kid is scared and is very anxious about this whole thing. What legal options do I have? What escalation mechanism I have to stop this abusive teacher from hurting other kids?
yer kids these days are too CODDLED like there rapped in BUBBLE WRAP i blame the WOKE LEFTIES
Yeah.
They're.
Wrapped.
I.
Despite your sarcastic nonsense, they actually are, and if there had been more than one complaint (that being op), there would be action taken. There hasn't been, because op is the only complainer, because their kid didn't get what they wanted, then the teacher "yelled" at them. I feel sorry for teachers these days.
Hey it was the Boomer's who cotton-wrapped the millenials/Gen-Xers who are now raising kids, blame the Boomers! Who raised the Boomers? So-on and so-forth
@ThithLord: Dream on. GenX was not cotton wrapped. We were outside roaming the neighbourhood any moment we weren't in school.
I blame the media. The 24/7 news cycle means you hear about every single incident of harm, and at a national level. it means parents these days think there is a predator around every corner, which leads to helicopter parenting. I see my neighbours do it all the time. On 3 sides - kids in a completely fenced yard but every 15min I hear the parents yell out to ask if they are "ok". It's ridiculous.
I saw a show where GenX were talking very fondly about their freedom as kids in the 70s and 80s, and the interviewer asked why they dont allow their own kids the same freedom. Every parent said the world is too dangerous.
I blame the media. The 24/7 news cycle means you hear about every single incident of harm, and at a national level.
Consumption of News 24/7 is hallmark Boomer/Gen-x material, mate. Millenials and earlier do not subscribe to free-to-air TV & radio; distrust is at an all-time high from these generations. But your leaning to the media being a massive issue is absolutely spot on
@ThithLord: I didnt say TV or radio. I said 24/7 news. You can (and do) get that from internet sources. Just not as obviously as a news presenter sitting at a desk at a nightly bulletin. Probably spreads much faster than ever too.
And despite you saying distrust is at an all time high, consumption is also at an all time high. People absorb news faster than ever in history… just from less traditional sources. If anything, it has become more difficult than ever to verify the veracity of claims because algorithmic content delivery skews the content to whatever it thinks you want or need to see.
brendanm your insight is incredible, are you sure you weren't in the classroom? Amazing how you know exactly what happened. I hope you put those skills to better use than just posting on ozbargain.
Unfortunately in my case it was true. I was the only kid she picked on and when no one did anything about it she started slapping me in class because I sucked at math. Then she got the other kids to start calling me a slowpoke in class. I mean the other kids saw some of the treatment I got and normalised it and to them the way I was treated and bullied by them for the next few years was justified because of the way the teacher treated me.
I stopped telling anyone about it but I pretended to be sick a lot (which my parents never bought anyway). This was grade 2 until grade 5 but it did have some lasting effects throughout the rest of my schooling.
All Iâm saying is that it does happen and a few teachers really shouldnât be around kids because they just donât have the right temperament for it.
@io: Thanks guys. I never meant for it to be a 'sad violin' post or anything lol. It's just the unfortunate reality of some people's lives. I'm all good now.
I've learned a lot from my childhood and I just hope I can do right by my kid.
i dont know back in the day a few teachers would slap us, hit us with those big yellow rulers throw chalkboard brushes at us - i even remember a teacher lashing out at me with his belt… in retrospect it only achieved me not liking their subject and becoming emotionally adverse to it. It didnt even serve the purpose of making us more disciplined during their class (in the teenage years i was even a bit of a prankster and it made me target them with a free conscience).
prior to coming to aus i was a teacher, and i believe good communication and pretty much treating them like accountable adults with clear rules is usually the best option, and especially having a well prepared and structured class, kids dont like irregularity.
There is not enough info to have an opinion on OPs case, , talk directly to the teacher to discuss his point of view, change school if you arent happy or gather evidence of abuse ? having been a sensitive kid, i can somewhat relate
Agreed. đŻ Accurate
most teachers & school admin staff are abusive
Citation required
@ssfps: I'm a teacher and can confirm never seen any of the shit you're talking about.
Sounds like you had a rough time in whatever hell hole school you went to. Sorry to hear you went through this.
You've obviously never worked in schools.
I do work in schools. I've worked for 8 schools in fact and never seen anything even close to what you describe.
If anything it is exactly the opposite of what you describe.
Teachers/staff have been stripped of all authority and are quitting en-mass because the students (primarily secondary schools) attack the teachers (physically and mentally) and they have no way to regain control of their class without without loosing their job.
Experience from 5yo to 18 enough for you ?
@Fysh: Did you not read their experience? Just because you were able to advocate for yourself doesnt mean others can. I saw many teachers who were there because they were to stupid to do anything else. All they wanted to do was get a pay check. Some kids spend more time with teachers than their parents during the week. They often set the culture and when they have a bad attidute or dont cater for all types of kids they create the problem.
Blanket statement much. Someone likes a good over generalization or two.
Pretty sure this only applies to 3rd world school teachers and not here. Maybe a few American public schools too.
You are talking out your backside. As someone that went to many different primary and high schools the amount of abusive teachers I encountered I can count on no fingers.. Now with 3 kids all in primary again the amount of abusive teachers we have encountered is also zero. Back your nonsense up with actual facts.
Definitely the minority but there are teachers who are out of line and when itâs bad they are given too many chances to correct behaviour at the expense of the kids.
Like this one who had a known alcohol problem and kept being sent back to the classroom over a period of two years.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11597644
Not abuse in this instance but pretty terrible.
but most teachers & school admin staff are abusive
I'd say their are more kids who are abusive/ratbags than their are teachers.
Change school and put your complaint in writing because you can act on things but you can't force change from others. What sort of yelling are we talking about here tho? Give an example for more context.
Changing school is an option. Basically, he uses cuss words, singles him out, tells him he is good for nothing in front of class rooms. He is very traumatised as other kids are now using the same cuss words the teacher uses
something doesn't sound right with this statement
Yeah, there's something going on that's either being completely over-egged or being left out of the conversation.
Given we've just had the kids going back to school, I can only assume this is something that has arisen in the last day or so.
A teacher, a couple of days into the school year, is not going to "single out" a kid and "tell him he is good for nothing" … at least unless something very specific has gone down that is being left out of this story. Even then, there's something not adding up here.
Cuss words ? Are you talking about a school in Australia ?
Sounds like southern Texas to me
Well this is a long way from the 'yells and screams at the kids' that you started with.
Sounds hard to believe to be honest that any teacher would be acting this way with a young child, are you sure your kid is being honest here?
Talk to the other parents and see what they have heard from their own kids.
Next time you talk to the school ask to have a meeting with the principle and teacher about this. Ask teacher directly about the swearing and calling your child 'good for nothing' etc
buy some type of recording device with 8hr record time…
hit record when you drop kids off at school, recover evidence, submit to relevant people… Profit$$$$$
Just FYI this is illigal and any evidence would not be admissible in court.
@Dsiee: I thought it's legal in at least QLD, if one of the party is aware of recording (i.e. you). I'm too lazy to actually check it though =p
@grr1701: not true, QLD is a 1 party state.
https://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/Find-legal-information/PersoâŚ
This doesn't sound right. How old is your son.
This sounds absolutely insane…what a story..honestly I'd film it discretely and leak to ACA or whatever one of those trashy shows will take it.
Get your child a voice recording device they can fit in their pocket to prove the accusations to management.
Are you there to witness this? Seems unlikely to happen in Australia.
i replied above, have you met the teacher to discuss it with him, it would be the first step .
Yeh nah mate lol. Sounds fishy!
Do you have video/audio proof?
But my kid said so…….So must be true.
The word trauma gets thrown around a little too much. A bit of fear and respect for a teacher isn't a bad thing. That being said, maybe he is a raging đš.
Mrs. Krabappel and principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
Photos, videos else don't count
Yep that's what I think. I mean no doubt it's illegal to film people without their knowledge but kid is a minor and I'd do it anyway if only to show my parents…
The old recording device in the pencil case trick. **Check state laws on this before contemplating.
Surveillance devices act, telecommunications act, and very importantly… the evidence act!
Agreed.
But on a personal level, Iâve recorded 2 conversations I was there for, for legal protection⌠regardless of legalities. cos I knew I was over my head & gonna get wrecked. I just know I can probably never play/use the evidence.
You went to a private school? Oh boy.
You went to a private school?
nope…
I had a horrible school experience going through private schools. Parents refused to move me to public until year 9⌠due to ancient opinions that public schools are feral.
Couldnât have been further from the truth. Private was elitist dog-eat-dog. Class A drugs, high-end violence. While public was a complete spectrum of society, deeply into âyou do youâ. ALL of my previous issues left, I flourished socially & academically.
Just my experience. But my advice for all parents: Talk with actual students of the school. See what they think. Kids arenât stupid.
I had a horrible school experience going through private schools.
Lots of people have horrible experiences going through public schools too…
I have a few friends in that situation now.
Class A drugs, high-end violence.
Yep, happens in government schools too… probably more so….
Holy mackerel, my kid went to a private school, we had a complaint about a teacher, and it did not go like this.
Yeah, often it is not like this at all. If it is a legitimate complaint (big if in this case, OP sounds sus) they will normally sort it asap.
Need to get some therapy. I am totally with you. I don't trust these schools anymore. Other parents are scared to complain, unsure what is stopping them. Principal interviewed us, but so far no action has been taken. Just gone underground.
LOL So OP claims AirBNB reviews are now 'public forum' and the owner said bad things and hurt them…… Well of course. I'm seeing where the kid gets it now.
Plot twist - OPs kid is homeschooledâŚ
Possibly from an AirBnB.
Seems like some correlation with this:
If someone is an assh0le, they're an assh0le, if everyone is an assh0le, you're the assh0le
That AirBNB post combined with this makes OP start to smell like a troll TBH
@chrismatt so it is an independent school then? I say you put the kid back into public school and experience the differences.
Think about it, private school normally is just 1 school and compare it as a medium company. They arenât corporate like. the board and principal can do whatever they like within reasons or Whithorn coverups.
However, government school is like corporate, large corporation. Teachers donât get totally backed up by Principal and either do the principals get special protection. More like when shit happens, they become the scapegoats.
Save your money and give public school a go. Just pick a decent one around you. (Or rent somewhere to get into a decent public school).
Good luck.
Complain in writing with suggestions on what you believe needs to change, including moving your kid into another class.
I was that child, and have a lot to say but would rather not in the forums, so PM me if youâd like to discuss further.
He yells and screams at the kids.
I assume you have proof ?
Thereâs two parts to this.
1) helping your child (changing classes, changing schools)
2) helping other children (reporting, escalating, demanding action)
1 does not need proof, so believe your child and respond accordingly.
2 is definitely tricky without proof, or other kids who are saying the same thing.
and what if the teacher had done nothing wrong???
@brendanm: Adults who start from an assumption that the kid is lying are a very significant barrier to stopping and preventing child abuse.
Unless you know the child and are trained in diagnosing and treating anxiety in children, why would you have an opinion about what is best for this child?
I love how randoms on a forum think they know better than the child's parents from one post.
@larndis: While this is true, there's also the other side of the coin. People in life aren't always going to be sweet and cuddly. Part of growing up is learning to deal with this.
@Lord Fart Bucket: Thereâs a big difference between dealing with people you donât get along with and just sitting back while people bully/harass(/assault) you.
Kids and adults need to learn the difference and need to be able to stand up for themselves when itâs not ok. This can help prevent people from being mentally and physically harmed in the future.
Kids and adults need to learn the difference and need to be able to stand up for themselves when itâs not ok.
So, you agree with me then?
@larndis: If the child's parents know any better, they wouldn't be asking for advice from randoms on a forum.
@Aarchangel: The parent stated the child is very anxious and scared. On what basis are people determining that nothing really happened and/or the kid is lying?
@larndis: the other half of that is if you automatically believe everything your child tells you, you are teaching them to manipulate you for their own benefit rather than take responsibility. there is a happy medium. You should take your childs complaint seriously and investigate to get to the bottom of it.
Adults who start from an assumption that the kid is lying…
You don't start with that assumption.
Trust, but Verify.
@brendanm: If the child is in fact lying, they wouldnât be scared and anxious about it. Something is obviously happening to cause their anxiety, and the parents need to get to the bottom of that.
Sure, thereâs a chance itâs more than just or different to âthe teacher is yellingâ, but anxiety in children is not ok, so the parent needs to at least believe their kid so they are able to confide in them and get to the bottom of it.
Teaching a child that itâs ok to remove themselves (even temporarily) from situations where they are being bullied/harassed or that is causing them substantial anxiety is extremely important. Otherwise as parents youâre just setting them up to be bullied/harassed/assaulted/constant people please with no ability to stand up for yourself later in life.
If the child is in fact lying, they wouldnât be scared and anxious about it.
These are ops words. Have you seen ops posts?
What else can I do?
Time to be batman be vengeance this country needs. this is the time! * cues bell sound…
Maybe speak to other parents if their kids witnessed this or experienced the same abuse and ask if they can also report it?
Get your kid moved to another class if you are not happy with the teacher.
Pretty much every time I've seen this happen, the problem has always been the child and/or parents…
Exactly thisâŚ
1973 trauma - Being ambushed and captured by Viet Cong.
2023 trauma - Being yelled at by a teacher.
Childhood trauma is real - Therapist who did 4 week course.
Therapist who did 4 week course
So you had to repeat the course?
Posting about your "job" on Ozbargain doesn't make it any more relevant.
Your kid is probably overreacting.