Should I Quit My Job

Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 13:49

Hi Peeps,

Need some advice please - Currently work for a Govt Department and have been here for almost 2 years and it has come

to the point where I hate what I am doing :-( - Unfortunately no support from management and only stress on KPIs

I have been hitting my KPIs consistently for the last 2years and have no issues with the people whom i work with.

I even applied for an internal role were and got the job, However, my dept head decided as per business needs they will not allow me to - so no point in applying for any internal jobs as they will knock me back

I am flying overseas shortly and will be back in Jan 2023 and thinking of using all my sick leave and then applying for my resignation

with inflation and the economy in a downturn - DO you peeps think I am doing the right thing? or any suggestion would be great

if anyone suggests I join the Bikes gang - yes why not as long as u can pass me their number - happy to do it

Totally miserable in life due to this job

Education & Work

Comments

  • Hybroid on 12/12/2022 - 13:51
    +87

    It's an employees market but still only quit when you have a new one lined up. Use the time over holiday to clear your head and start applying for new roles. Interviews will take time to get back into swing after the Christmas shutdown so could be a few months till you find a new job.

    Only you can answer for yourself if it's the right thing for your mental health, career, finances, future plans etc.

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 13:57

      that's 100 percent true - No idea when and what i will get

      But i need to suck up for something where i have zero passion to do that job

      • jv on 12/12/2022 - 14:23
        +6

        and thinking of using all my sick leave

        Which disease will you be catching?

    • MantistobogganMD on 12/12/2022 - 14:17
      +1

      i agree with you but i don't understand the Employees market statement….
      we've been hiring recently, and we get inundated with quality employees. We'd love people to stay but we've had no issues finding staff lately for new positions, which i imagine would be the same if someone left ….

      • RMBC on 13/12/2022 - 08:43
        +11

        Really depends on the industry, we're looking for 5 people, and are struggling to get applications, let alone quality candidates

        • Spootage on 13/12/2022 - 22:28

          Which industry are you in?

          • RMBC on 13/12/2022 - 22:31
            +1

            @Spootage: Accounting. The big 4 firms used to get people from overseas as part of their audit rotations, but obviously can’t, so have been taking people from everywhere. At the same time, they also stopped their graduate intakes, so there’s a lot fewer people coming through as jobs were hard to get.

            There’s also been a big shift to commercial roles from public practice, so fewer bodies, and a lot more work it seems over the last couple of years.

            • fleetfeather on 14/12/2022 - 00:59

              @RMBC: What salary are you offering?

            • rave75 on 14/12/2022 - 03:14

              @RMBC: Any chance it is WFH accounting roles? Currently overseas due to parent's health, not sure how long it would be. Job opportunity here sucks with low pay.

              • Bren20 on 14/12/2022 - 08:17

                @rave75: If you're based overseas most Aussie companies won't touch you due to the tax implications

                • rave75 on 14/12/2022 - 19:43

                  @Bren20: From ATO web:

                  If your employees usually live and work in Australia and temporarily work in a foreign country, there is no change to your pay as you go (PAYG) withholding, fringe benefits tax (FBT) and super guarantee obligations.

                  I guess it is fine?

                  • Bren20 on 14/12/2022 - 22:20

                    @rave75: You're indefinitely living overseas so I'm not sure that's relevant, but I'm not a tax expert and I don't know your situation

                  • RMBC on 17/12/2022 - 14:46

                    @rave75: You'd need a connection with your employer in Australia first, and the longer the time overseas, the more tenuous the connection becomes.

                    If engaging someone who is overseas, doing work overseas, then the employer is exposed to the employment laws of the foreign jurisdiction.

              • RMBC on 16/12/2022 - 21:35

                @rave75: As others have pointed out, employing non-residents for roles has hairs on it and gets very complex quickly. Cross jurisdictional employment opens a business up to employment laws in foreign jurisdictions.

                With that said, we offer flexible working conditions for our employees, but 100% wfh is a bridge too far. Employee training, guidance and mentoring are important to us, and work best in person, not to mention our clients like to see us face to face, so time in the office is necessary. Plus induction and systems training would need to be in person.

                I don't mind where someone works or gets their work done, provided they are, however a lot of trust is involved, and that needs to be earned. Straight wfh isnt something we would agree to with our business model; if we were going to, the commercial reality is that we may as well outsource our staff overseas and pay overseas wages

                • p1 ama on 17/12/2022 - 01:11
                  -2

                  @RMBC:

                  Straight wfh isnt something we would agree to with our business model

                  I love how you're acknowledging that you're struggling to get applicants whilst still trying to dictate terms like you're in control. Get off your high horse, you're begging people to come work for you in exchange for a salary you're ashamed to reveal, you're not in a position to be disagreeing with anything.

                  • RMBC on 17/12/2022 - 14:41

                    @p1 ama: I am in control, that's what happens when you own and run your own business. We will get the staff we need over time, but aren't willing to sacrifice our values and needs in order to do so. We consult to a variety of businesses and industries and have seen exactly where that mentality leads.

                    You may not like it, which indicates to me you wouldn't be a good fit. Managing culture is hugely important for any business, and is part of the USP. I'm sorry you dont like that

                    I also have no shame in revealing salaries; they're commensurate with experince and position, and totally negotiable. We pay above average because we are aware our people are our number one resource. We reward them based on what they earn the firm, so it's ultimately up to the individual

                    Most of my staff have been with the firm 10+ years, and the majority of senior staff have left, gone to other roles, and returned, myself included. Hardly indicative of a business that is exploitative of staff

                    We need the extra staff due to demand and growth from our clients; we don't advertise, so it's all organic. On the whole what we're doing works for us

                  • RMBC on 17/12/2022 - 14:41

                    @p1 ama: Also for what it's worth, I didn't downvote your comment

            • fleetfeather on 16/12/2022 - 13:08

              @RMBC: The silence speaks volumes lol

              • RMBC on 16/12/2022 - 21:29

                @fleetfeather: Unsurprisingly running a business takes precedence over answering forum posts

                • fleetfeather on 16/12/2022 - 22:05

                  @RMBC: I made sure to check that you'd been active other posts on OzB before implying that you were dodging the question

                  • RMBC on 17/12/2022 - 14:43

                    @fleetfeather: I dodged nothing, see above. I didnt have sufficient time to answer the question sufficiently, so I didn't. That doesn't mean I put other things on hold until I do

                    • fleetfeather on 17/12/2022 - 18:49

                      @RMBC: Okay sick, Ive seen above. Now I can ask the same question with an increased amount of specificity: with the role you're advertising for, what are you offering for salary for a given amount of experience?

                      Feel free to nominate the level of experience of your choosing - hopefully you have an idea of the level of experience you're after, given you're advertising for a team member

    • HeWhoKnows on 13/12/2022 - 11:40

      OP cannot use SICK LEAVE as annual leave.
      And you will need a doctors certificate for anything more than 1 day including a day either side of a weekend or public holiday.
      Or did OP mean using up all thier "annual leave" ???

        • bigsaver on 14/12/2022 - 10:25
          +9

          Given the negs I can't believe how lucky I am then.. move into a better industry people..

          • bargaineer on 14/12/2022 - 15:17
            +2

            @bigsaver: I think you were going to get upvotes till you mentioned the sick day once a month thing (sickie). The rest of the post is sound.

            Not all sickness requires a medical certificate. Some days you wake up feeling like you can't face the world mentally (you don't need a medical certificate for that). You don't need a doctors certificate for a migraine headache either…. just all becomes a huge waste of money and burden on the health system when employees are forced to get one.

            Mandatory medical certificates are just a way for employers to deter employees from taking sick leave and going to work anyway. COVID has changed the game on this, but I guess there are some old school industries / industries like retail where this sort of thing is probably still pretty strict.

            • bigsaver on 14/12/2022 - 15:42

              @bargaineer: Yeah the sickie seems to be pretty sensitive ;) on average I see it's =~ 6/year for my reports so my comment is not totally off the mark… The 2 contractors in the team.. 0 sick days in 2+ years ;) ..

          • syousef on 15/12/2022 - 22:21

            @bigsaver: Welcome to Ozbargain, home of the neg. If you don't like it, bury it.

        • xavster on 14/12/2022 - 21:12

          We don't bother with sick leave either, we provide our employees 10 days personal leave, no MC required, and it's not like I need to know you're having a bunion removed etc.

          The OP however works in government, so is most likely working under an Award and most govt awards have "sick leave" and "annual leave". (I'm assuming OP is not at a senior executive level or ministerial appointment level)

          Most govt HR systems require you to attach a MC for sick leave greater or equal to two days.

          • Hardlyworkin on 15/12/2022 - 06:05
            +1

            @xavster: What? Personal leave is sick leave. Same entitlement. The law defines it as personal and carers leave. Most people just know it as sick leave. Whatever the case, you use it when you are I'll or unfit for work or caring for someone who is.

            Btw I think you mean enterprise bargaining agreement rather than award.

            • xavster on 29/12/2022 - 12:53

              @Hardlyworkin: The personal leave I provide to my employees can be used for illness or anything else. They can use it to take a holiday etc. This is in addition to their 20 day annual leave.

              Government departments do not use EBAs. They are under public sector awards. When I worked for NSW state govt I was under the crown employee award. If you move into PSSE positions such as department secretaries etc they are negotiated contracts directly.

      • Assburg on 14/12/2022 - 02:45
        +7

        This is just the case at fascist workplaces…and this kind of requirement should not be normalised.

      • ssfps on 14/12/2022 - 04:27

        Stress leave is perfectly valid reason, and knowing gov jobs in certain sectors it's likely very valid for OP.

      • tunzafun001 on 14/12/2022 - 11:09
        +1

        Not entirely true…but definitely a well perpetuated myth.

        Fairwork rules say a Stat Dec (declaring you were sick) is enough. Often can be signed/ witnessed by your partner/ colleague/post office etc etc

        You can always go to a Dr (which does waste resources for those who need a Dr). Any Dr will straight up offer a certificate for stress etc (but just write "medical condition").

        In summary, just time wasting exercises, but play the game (either way above) and move on.

      • unhuman on 14/12/2022 - 12:54
        +1

        Most companies don’t need sick certificates. It’s pointless burden on health system if someone chucks a sickie and goes to get a cert. They can make up any pain that’s bothering them.

      • Franc-T on 15/12/2022 - 09:47

        OP very much can, whether its correct or not …

  • djones145 on 12/12/2022 - 13:52
    +18

    have you got any liabilities (i.e home loan, big debts)
    are you renting or at home
    Kids? partner?
    Age?

    if you are young and free hand in the resignation and live your life to the max (drink pepsi too)

    if you have a home loan, kids, married, WAKE UP BR0
    ITS GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 13:56
      +1

      yes -got liabilities - paying mortgage
      no kids
      partner yes
      age - 40- 45

      i have zero satisfaction in what i do :-(

      • Montyjpm on 12/12/2022 - 14:22
        +16

        If you can cover your mortgage then it's time to update your CV and apply. Don't quit until you already secured a role. Obviously, don't talk bad about your previous employer if you can help it.

      • djones145 on 12/12/2022 - 15:15
        +2

        can ur partner cover the mortgage repayments and other expenses

        if so happy days
        if not
        off to bunnings to get some cement and harden the %^$^up
        or find another job and resign

        • bobbified on 12/12/2022 - 17:38

          These downvotes… I guess no-one likes facing the harsh reality these days!

          • Jolakot on 12/12/2022 - 18:45
            +11

            @bobbified: Sounds like you gotta get some cement and harden the %^$^up

            • bobbified on 12/12/2022 - 18:52

              @Jolakot: I took out a mortgage knowing that I'm going to have to service it for the next X number of years. So, I know that simply quitting my job is not an option. That's the harsh reality I'm talking about.

            • Woody982 on 13/12/2022 - 17:51
              +8

              @djones145: Dude, anyone thinking interest rates would actually be low forever are morons!

              I'm 24 and bought my first house last year, i wasnt under any illusion that it would stay at 2.99% forever.

              Obviously didn't expect it to come up THIS high, but any who though it wouldnt come up is just dumb

              • ssfps on 14/12/2022 - 04:30
                +1

                @Woody982: @Woody982 You call him dumb for not knowing it would come up, but i was telling people in mid 2021 that the RBA printing $200billion & other nations printing enormous $$, on the back of 0% free money on the market, was going to cause massive inflation and rates, and that the economy is (profanity), so it seems pretty dumb to me that people didn't realize we were in for a world of hurt. I wondered why people were so ready to lock in massive mortgages and not take the 5 years! (I know people who took 2,3,4 years, and one friend even stayed on variable…).

              • djones145 on 14/12/2022 - 09:14

                @Woody982: yeah but are u thinking of resigning with 2 months savings and a home loan? op is!

              • markathome on 14/12/2022 - 12:02

                @Woody982:

                all glory is fleeting

                What are you talking about? Everything lasts forever.

              • luffyex2010 on 15/12/2022 - 07:39

                @Woody982: They never tell you interest rates were like 20% in AU 1990. Banks were taking back homes and people were jumping off buildings. The radio was announcing almost everyday until it got so terrible they just stopped announcing it.

                Today's houses are way more expensive and home loans are in million.

                1m loan 20% = $200000 p annum $17k per month. I believe most people will just be handing their salary to the bank.

                Human history usually repeats itself, it could happen.

      • Chong on 13/12/2022 - 09:17
        +11

        You dont need satisfaction in what you do, just be happy enough to do it for the pay check, and not unhappy doing it.

        You can work on your passion can come from outside of work. overwhelming majority of people will not find passion at work, just unrealistic.

        • drprox on 14/12/2022 - 12:06
          +1

          Yep totally true! It's those few that do that keep us aspiring though haha

      • JustinHardie on 14/12/2022 - 10:42
        +1

        Apply for jobs in another government agency in your state. Can't stop you like they can internally, but you would transfer benefits (eg long service) with you. Check rules with public service assoc. Wishing you good luck

      • drprox on 14/12/2022 - 12:06

        You could try go part time or casual. I did that from a job I didn't love and it's made rather a big difference to my mindset each workday

      • locknuts on 15/12/2022 - 16:16
        +1

        You're too old to be doing something you hate. I quit my university job at 36 for similar reasons, but I'd been planning to start my own business since I was 30. I'll never go back. In fact, I might be ruined as an employee now because I have to do things my own way and adapt directly to customer needs rather than wait for a boss to tell me what to do.

  • DrRalph on 12/12/2022 - 13:56

    Yes.

  • tabz on 12/12/2022 - 13:56
    +5

    Totally miserable in life due to this job

    Absolutely. Quit your job and take care of your mental wellbeing.

    If you can line something up before you resign that would be ideal, otherwise you'd need to work out how long you can survive being between jobs.

  • KiKH on 12/12/2022 - 13:57
    +3

    if you're that miserable, you'll have to find another job.
    You either find another job while working there, or quit first, and then start looking.

    Can you financially support yourself and dependents with no job for how ever long it takes to find the next job?
    Will you be less desperate and less stressed if you have a job to fall back on if your job search takes longer than you thought?

    Either way, start looking and sending in resumes immediately.

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:02

      thanks :-)

      • Kangal on 14/12/2022 - 01:14

        Can we get some context?
        What type of work do you do, and what range of salary do you get?

        If it's a niche specialty, you might want to consider staying.
        If it's a high pay, again, might want to consider staying.
        But in combination it can get complicated or very simple… but Hybroid's advice is very good advice.

  • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:00

    Financially i should be able to support myself for at least 2 months b4 i find a new one

    • CyberMurning on 12/12/2022 - 14:04
      +17

      well try again when you have 2 years support.

    • cookie2 on 12/12/2022 - 15:20
      +7

      Ask for some leave without pay for a period if you can. I wouldn't suggest quiting with only 2 months worth of savings before having to find another. Too tight and you may end up just going for something else you're not happy with as running out of time. Look around, think about what you want. Get everything in order, resume, linkedin, start putting feelers out and get yourself firmly in the mindset that you're on your way to something better. Commit to time each day on getting that better and more enjoyable job. I worry that you'll make things even worse by just quitting. Also worth speaking with hr about not being given the other role or no point?

    • Quantumcat on 12/12/2022 - 18:12
      +1

      2 months is not long enough, it can take weeks between rounds of interviews and that's if you find the job you end up doing right at the beginning.

      Start applying for jobs now. If you don't have a job offer by the time you come back from leave you could ask your doctor if they can sign you off for stress leave while you keep applying, or if not then ask for leave without pay.

    • bigsaver on 14/12/2022 - 00:29
      -2

      unfortunately you have to find another job before you quit.. Make your top priority to buy you some "freedom" moving forward so you are never again in this situation. I'd start by selling the car or any other crap you might have. Of course you don't feel great being in your 40s with zero control of your time (no money)..Do something about it now!

    • gromit on 15/12/2022 - 20:51

      2 months is basically one minor incident.of living pay cheque to pay cheque, you definitely should not consider quitting till u have another job as financially you are not in a good position.

  • trustnoone on 12/12/2022 - 14:02
    +8

    Agreed with the other person, unfortunately its christmas wind down at the moment, but it is largely a employees market so that helps a lot. Maybe you can try across departments so that your manager has less of a say, or even go between federal to state (or the other way) something that makes your manager have a bit less of a say.

    FWIW though you may want to find out what it is that makes you want to change as you say you continue to hit KPIs and people are okay. Is it the work specifically or something more?
    I know a few people who work in say accounting, they say they want to change because they don't see any way to grow as the senior people done leave, theres anxiety/stress on the job or they don't like the 9 to 5 of it all. So they take a course in programming, train up, tell themselves they enjoy it (at home). Then they get a dev job and find out that it has the same stress/anxiety, the same seniors that won't leave, or the same 9 to 5. So something to watch out for.

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:04
      +3

      It's mainly work - just bored of it - doing the same thing over and over again without any scope of light in the tunnel

      feels like u at Macca- serving fries and that is ur permanent station

      • Fergy1987 on 12/12/2022 - 14:07
        +1

        I'm pretty much the same in my job - I'm at the point where I'm like "what is the point of working because all the money I make doing it - just goes to bills and expenses and I'm not even getting anything to have a fun time"

      • nuker on 12/12/2022 - 14:44
        +1

        doing the same thing over and over again

        Can you code? Automate it and show the boss above your boss.

        • Jolakot on 12/12/2022 - 18:48
          +1

          And what, be laid off because now your job has been automated?

          Automate it and moonlight for other companies

          • nuker on 12/12/2022 - 19:49

            @Jolakot: No. You will be maintaining and improving it. Your colleagues will be ones who lose the job. Make no docs/comments on how this works and you’re set for life :)

            • Jolakot on 13/12/2022 - 09:00
              +4

              @nuker: I'm a software engineer, when I was a uni student I contracted for Telstra and a handful of small businesses to flush out 'Excel coders' as we called them and replace their stuff with slightly more modern (documented) PowerApps/Flow/SharePoint solutions

              Most companies are more than happy to pay someone like me $5k to trawl through and rewrite amateur automation than keep on a full-time employee with a bus factor of 1 to do it worse

              I'm sure I've personally destroyed a lot of 'set for life' jobs from people who have done all the hard work to figure out how to automate their jobs, but a company can't replace what it doesn't know about

      • p1 ama on 13/12/2022 - 09:44
        +4

        It's mainly work - just bored of it - doing the same thing over and over again without any scope of light in the tunnel

        This sounds like the vast majority of jobs though. You do something again and again, become good at it, and it becomes your station.

        What is the light at the end of the tunnel you seek?

        My concern with your plan is that you've cloaked it all with very flowery language and metaphors, but nothing is concrete at all.

  • Fergy1987 on 12/12/2022 - 14:04
    +7

    The sheer fact that you're thinking about it - tells me that you're ready

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:10
      +1

      yes that's true

      • Ulysses31 on 12/12/2022 - 17:01
        +6

        Been there MANY times.

        And you've accepted it in your mind… so you should feel relief already.
        Polish-up the CV, do a few interviews without the desperation of NEEDING the new job… and you'll be fine.

        The daily pill will be easier to swallow, knowing you're actively working on the solution. It'll work great for both parties.

  • CyberMurning on 12/12/2022 - 14:05
    +6

    dont always look up, look down see people working 9 hrs a day with much lower salary. gov job is one of the dream job dont regret later

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:06
      +9

      Nah mate - that's what people think Govt job is a dream job - No idea - once u enter that dept -u will know - maybe also depends which specific dept you work as well :-)

    • nubzy on 12/12/2022 - 14:09

      Rather be self employed even if meant earning less, life is too short and all work sucks, but at least you get some control over your life and the work you take on

      • Ulysses31 on 12/12/2022 - 17:06
        +2

        I see more people doing the opposite, in my circles.
        They choose endless roles at their disposal, get full benefits. And just work 9-5, so to speak. The minute they aren't happy with any aspect, they pull the pin, or just go slow. No chasing work, chasing money, clients stiffing you… endless invoicing etc. All benefits, no risk.

        • nubzy on 12/12/2022 - 19:40
          -3

          I don’t view being a 9 to 5 wage slave as a benefit, at all..

          • Ulysses31 on 13/12/2022 - 19:08
            +2

            @nubzy: Because you added 'slave' to it.
            When you can have a nice slow start from 9:01, do the absolute minimum, and have zero cares by 5:01… I see people milking it hard everyday.

            Subbies rarely set boundaries on their work hours, so it becomes 60,70,80 hour (on & off) weeks.

        • witsa on 13/12/2022 - 22:26
          +5

          Exactly people have this weird idea that starting your business makes you your own boss. Nope it just means instead of having one boss, every customer / client is now your boss and instead of clocking out at 5, you clock out whenever the work is done.

          Not saying no one should start their own business but it's high risk, high effort and I would only do it if I believed it equated to high reward.

          • Slippery Otter on 14/12/2022 - 08:22

            @witsa: I have both worlds of working with my family business so I get to be my own boss but still work 8-430pm and run it like my own. However sometimes I get paid once every 3 months when cashflow is tight.

            I was bored (also they are a bunch of homophobes and telling every customer to vote no to marriage equality) and wanted a real challenge: Purchased a run down bottle shop 5 years ago which I thought was a bargain at the time. Its a sinking ship and I do hope I get out. I'm extremely lucky I can continue to pump $500 per week into it for the entire time I've had it without sweat. So as long as I can keep funding it then there isn't any real concern.

            You don't know how good you have its gone but its different in my case. I'm still full time at the family business and I appreciate every second of it now whilst I wait for my business partners to give up and we sell at a huge loss or break even.

            My business partners work 80+ hours a week each and I purely do the bookkeeping as I made it clear where this business is heading.

  • Donaldhump on 12/12/2022 - 14:18

    need more info.
    are you flush with cash?

    • Lordarainyday on 12/12/2022 - 14:22
      -2

      only for couple of months

      • CyberMurning on 12/12/2022 - 14:28
        -3

        how come? looking at the age and you must have gotten decent salaries for all the year working
        or.. maybe your lifestyle needs $50k a month ?

        • cookie2 on 12/12/2022 - 15:23
          +6

          I don't see how the 'how come ' is pertinent here. Op already advised financial status and marital status.

      • vinni9284 on 12/12/2022 - 14:34
        +3

        Any chance of refinancing and having a larger buffer/duration? Usually banks offer $4K (well $2K less fees) to changeover. IMO I would wait till mid next year. Your job is secure and you're going on a holiday and refresh (and also spend money). Two more interest rate rises coming next year at least. The days you can't be bothered, take a sickie. Sit on it until you get back from holidays. Enjoy!

      • Donaldhump on 12/12/2022 - 16:02
        +1

        then no, u hate your job, welcome to life. all jobs suck after some time.
        get another job first

  • capslock on 12/12/2022 - 14:21
    +3

    I would say that majority of people hate their job. If we all quit our jobs because of this then society will no longer function.

    • CyberMurning on 12/12/2022 - 14:27
      +2

      thats why the name is work not "holiday".
      no one like working..

      • randysal on 12/12/2022 - 14:54
        +2

        How so? A lot of people like their chosen professions, have meaningful and fulfilling careers and enjoy Mondays just as much as Fridays.

        It is easy to be stuck in a rut, but you always have a choice.

      • Donaldhump on 12/12/2022 - 16:03

        im sure ron jeremy didn't mind putting in a shift or shaft for that matter

      • Ulysses31 on 12/12/2022 - 17:03
        +1

        I thought I was the only one. The amount of people who've casually asked "do you like your job" has always confused me.
        It's work, I don't think I'm meant to like it. It's the price to pay to have the life (outside of work) that I want.

        I've DESPISED my previous jobs/employers before. That's definitely a problem that needs sorting, for everyone's sake. But I've never expected to enjoy my job, let-alone love it.

      • helpme on 14/12/2022 - 20:01

        no one like working..

        I like working..I'm a HS teacher and since it's the end of the year, I've had very little/nothing to do for basically 3 weeks and I've been soooooo bored. Luckily I have acces to a gym, stadium, and wood work room to keep myself occupied. Having something to do, and doing something I find meaningful is actually awesome.

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