How Old Should a Brand New Phone Be (Bought in a Big Retail Store - in The Box) ?

Hello, I've just bought 3x pretty expensive Samsung Phones - for myself and my family, it'll be one week today.

I'm planning on taking them back though as I called the Samsung - and they told me how to check the actual Manufacture Date. It turns out these 'brand new' phones were actually made way back at the start of April?

PLEASE don't post any 'snarky/joke' comments/posts - it just dilutes and reduces the number of actually useful replies you receive.
I'm genuinely trying to solve a problem here - not just talking about something meaningless.

For those who think this is a joke - the only reason we stopped using the last 3x phones I had bought the family - was because the software updates ran out.
All of a sudden all the apps started saying - 'you're X is too old - see you later'.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the phones in general - and just because of the lack of updates - we lost probably at least another 1-3 or more years we could have gotten out of the phones because we took extra care with them. And it was likely really only due to the phone companies wanting you to buy new phones - it wasn't a security/functionality thing. We only used basic apps and regular internet browsing. Everything worked just fine.

These were Samsung Galaxy S5's.

Now you might say - 'dude, that's ancient'… and if you're a fanboy or materialist who needs the latest phone every 6 months - then yeah it is!

However, when I looked into it - I had seen articles solely about how Samsung had shot themselves in the foot because they'd made such a useful/robust affordable phone with 'too much' longevity for a company who relies on making you buy more stuff every year or two.

That's the only reason it was killed off.

I don't have a monthly phone cap, I don't buy a new phone every few years - not everyone has cash to burn.

So they've been sitting in a warehouse somewhere with their batteries slowly draining bit by bit.
Also, it might not be stored properly, might be too hot or too humid etc… who knows.

It might have an older Hardware and/or Sofware version than one that was manufactured Today?

I'm concerned about that as you want the newest phone you can get.
More to the point, I've heard Samsung have said something to the effect of - they guarantee 4 (?) major updates in the life of the product.

Now if you buy a phone that was made today - you'll get 4 updates… but if I buy a phone that was made 7-8 months ago - that might require 1-2 major updates just to catch up to the phone that was made today. So does that mean I'll only have 2 major updates left for the life of my phone (compared to you with 4 left?)

Some of you might think that's not how it works - but no one really knows do they?

Even if the software thing wasn't a concern - it still seems super dodgy/fraudulent to give you such an old 'new' phone'!

Anyone got any advice on my rights here?

If they only have old phones - I might just want a full refund - then try to find somewhere else that has much newer ones….
But can I say that I have that right legally as it was kind of sold under false pretences (not exactly as advertised)?

I don't think the average person would expect a brand new phone to be 7-8 months old already!

Because I bought it at Harvey Norman, I feel like I have to swap them over on the spot with them as they might try to make it impossible to get a refund.
They might make it impossible to swap them over on the spot too… but those are the only two options i'll accept.
There is no way I am sending in a brand new phone less than a week old - could take 1-2 months if you're unlucky.

Now when I go back to the store where I bought it - is there any way that Harvey Norman, or Samsung chat support or someone at a Samsung Store (asked over the phone while I'm at Harvey Norman) can do to tell me the manufacture date of a new phone still in the box at the store? That way I can at least see what I'm getting?

Maybe they can do it from the serial/imei and other numbers printed on the box, or via info from the Store Computer system, or maybe they can contact Samsung or someone else?

The only other thing I can think of - is maybe they can check the Store computer and tell give me the newest stock they received and tell me that date?
If I get someone helpful - maybe they could do that, but if I get someone unhelpful they'll probably just lie and say they can't tell?

My dad suggested that maybe Australia gets lumped with all the old unsold stock from overseas…. he could be right?
We do have a tendency to get screwed over when it comes to retail.

BTW - is this a common issue with many other tech, computer, home appliances type items?
And how do you check other things/brands in advance or while at point of purchase to avoid this kind of ripoff?

Thank you for your help

Comments

  • +279

    You dont deserve the phone.

    • -4

      You read the whole thing? Can someone please post a TLDR.. I think I may have autism. Need to go get diagnosed, I can't read this much without my attention drifting away every few lines..

      • +7

        You're thinking of ADHD

        • +1

          I think they're trying to say they're from WSB.

        • +1

          Ah yes that one, I may also need to be diagnosed with 'Stupidity'.

    • +2

      You have restored my faith in humanity. Thank you.

    • +5

      You dont deserve the phone

      More importantly, OP doesn't deserve to have his post on the front page, and we didn't deserve to have to see it.

      Mods, can we please have a way to upvote and downvote forum topics?

      Thousands of people noticing and reading these kinds of outrage-y or bizarre but indisputably pointless posts does no good to OP, or any other OzBargainers.

      But it does waste minutes for thousands of people.

      On say, Reddit, because you can downvote posts, there would have been a couple of answers useful to OP, a couple of jokes, and it never would have made it to the front page.

      But right now you have time-waste posts getting as popular as interesting posts. Not healthy.

        • +5

          because yes - I do write; what some might call… ah… kinda long and/or detailed posts?

          Really? I hadn't noticed…..

        • +1

          OP finally responds after several 'post and ghost' threads and it's still somehow the worst take you can possibly imagine.

  • +30

    A brand new S10+ is one that is factory sealed, regardless they are made in 2019(?). A lot for times I just ignore the updates as the phone works fine.

  • +119

    Are you having a laugh?
    He's having a laugh……

    3x pretty expensive Samsung Phones

    A33s aren't what you would call 'pretty expensive' for a smartphone…..

    Now if you buy a phone that was made today - you'll get 4 updates… but if I buy a phone that was made 7-8 months ago - that might require 1-2 major updates just to catch up to the phone that was made today
    Some of you might think that's not how it works - but no one really knows do they?

    Well, you clearly don't…
    Updates are based on phone generation.
    An samsung phone, eg s22, will get the same updates regardless when you buy it
    A simple google would tell you this rather than 'no one really knows do they' ….

    As you bought an a33, something like this clearly tells you the android updates versions you would be getting

    https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-give-galaxy-a33-a53-a…

    This makes 95% of your rant invalid.

    avoid this kind of ripoff?

    Hilarious:)

    If you've opened them, I'll say 99.9% chance you'll get an unfavourable response from Harvey Norman if you raise this 'concern' and request a replacement

    • +16

      "These were Samsung Galaxy S5's." - S5 was released in 2014. 7 years is a pretty good run of updates for a phone. Apple stopped doing updates on the iPhone 6 last year, and they were released in 2014 as well.

  • +133

    This is the funniest thing I’ve read all week, hilarious.

    • +87

      There’s so much gold in this story
      - new vs Fresh phone
      - Bought from Harvey Norman
      - “My dad said….”

      It’s like the OP is 15 … and it’s 1992

      • +7

        In 1992 only his friends acquaintances would have to put up with hearing about this.

      • +18

        My personal favourite.. "No one really knows, do they"
        Like it's some force of nature, bequeathed to us from top of holy mountain, details of which are beyond our understanding.

        The idea phone's have a finite number of software updates like a punch card system is also hilarious.

        • +2

          OP probably uses a Garmin GPS in their car that ran out of updates in 2014

  • +113

    I think you're confusing the term 'new' with 'fresh' like fresh fruit and veg. I think what you're looking for is a fresh smartphone. Maybe you'd need to visit some sort of smartphone farmers market for that kind of thing.

    • +22

      sort of smartphone farmers market for that kind of thing.

      Artisan exploited worker to table is all the rage these days in fresh electronics.

    • +5

      I hate it when you buy a new phone and it smells all funky straight out of the packet…

    • +1

      Supermarket apples can be up to 10 months old, so honestly there's a solid chance that his phone was made before his 'fresh fruit'

    • +2

      You are onto something there Trips… If OP bought the phones in Woolies then they may have an argument about the phones not being fresh. But as for hardly normal, Gerry is an old fart and stock comes in shipping containers over many seas so anything within 9 months is as fresh as you gonna get from him.

  • +110

    PLEASE don't post any 'snarky/joke' comments/posts

    Looks like I won't be contributing to this thread then.

    • All the more reason why you should contribute

    • +3

      He asked. Doesnt mean you must obey. The OP isnt your mum.

      • +4

        How do you know that?

        • His mum was busy with me when the OP posted.

    • He asked. Doesnt mean you must obey. The OP isnt your mum.

      • +2
        • Probably fat fingers on the phone and back button combo

          • +2

            @DarwinBoy: 2 days later though? Top effort that!

            • @nismo: Yeah. Didnt notice that. Using my work phone to check ozbargain so not using it all the time.
              Must of posted that comment then never used that phone for bargain hunting for a few days and then when i did the fatfinger moment happened.
              Wouldnt of thought it could happen bit its there plain to see.

              • +2

                @DarwinBoy: This forum post (about getting old stock) is certainly the right place for strange things to happen ha ha 👍

  • +6

    Samsung pretty much have a new phone every 6 months

    Unless you bought on release, you always have the potential of buying 'old' stock in the future.

    You could ask for a later serial model phone if you know what to look for i guess. Otherwise i cant see how manufactuters would be producing only 'new' phones at the time or up until when you want to buy it.

      • +32

        but 7-8 months is a bloody long time.

        It's really not.
        They generally make these phones in huge production runs before moving onto the next one.
        You bought an a33 that came out in March
        Goes to reason the huge production run would be around this time resulting in most stock being around this time.
        The a34 is due out around Feb/march so most likely making those now

      • +5

        Companies like Samsung and Sony they don't produce same phones every month. They estimate and produce a stock and set the prices, then move to the next model.

        So at this time, it be S23 in production. Even on a release day, you won't get a one week old phone.

      • @RahRahRand You're too inexperienced or ignorant in the matter. You should have done a bit of (A LOT MORE) research before making this post, or even buying those devices.

        A lot of us would have recommended you to upgrade last year when the Samsung A52-S was on special for AUD $400, which was being competitive against their $1500 S21 lineup of phone, so much so that Samsung quickly discontinued that device and downgraded it with the A53. If you want a "least compromise" phone that comes in the form of the Samsung xCover 6 Pro, which is not for sale to people but for businesses. It comes with the fast QSD 778 processor, 5 years of updates, a User Removable Battery, and a great screen that won't cause burn-in throughout its life.

        Another point that people made is valid. You shouldn't have kept the Samsung S5 for as long as you did, any low-end device would feel like a decent upgrade in comparison to it. Technology ages at a faster rate, but this does change with the times. Early on from 2008 to 2011 it was logical to upgrade your phone every 6-months due to the upgrades. Whereas from 2012 to 2016 now it was proper to upgrade once a year. Then moving forwards 2017 to 2023 to upgrade only once every two years or more. The next platform starts in 2024, and it's likely that you can easily justify holding on for over 3 years at that point without your flagship feeling obsolete.

        Here's the best progression (imho) of Android Phones from the start to current. I'm prioritising Features, Big Battery, Overall Quality, and the ethos being to sell the old one while it still has some value straight after buying the new one (this keeps you updated in terms of software, updates before battery goes bad, and before OLED burn-in happens).

        HTC G1, Motorola DEXT, Motorola Milestone, Motorola Milestone 2, Samsung Galaxy S2, Samsung Note 1, HTC One XL, Samsung Note 2, LG Nexus 4, Samsung Note 3, Samsung Note 4, Samsung S6 Edge+, ZTE Axon 7, Samsung S7 Edge, Samsung S8+, Samsung Note 8, Samsung S9+, Samsung Note 9, Samsung S10+, ASUS RoG 2, Sony Xperia 5 mk ii… …. …

        • +3

          it was never ever logical to upgrade your phone every 6 months

          • @CheapskateQueen: DEXT to Milestone to Moto2 to SGS2 to Note 1…
            …i dunno those are pretty big upgrades in just 6 months increments.

            Even after that, yearly upgrades got you pretty big improvements right until the Samsung S7+, then it stagnated a bit. Just compare something like the S10+ versus S22, pretty meh overall.

            (but i agree, this is an expensive hobby, hence the illogic)

      • +3

        Just wait until you buy your first new car and realise Model Year isn't what you think it is. I cannot believe someone as young as you sound, can be this ignorant about electronics. Reading your post, I kept thinking 'surely they're not complaining about what I think they are,' and yes, it somehow gets even dumber.

      • but 7-8 months is a bloody long time.

        Wait for Samsung to announce a new model and then go out and buy it soon after.

  • +31

    If it's the same model phone, it won't matter whether it's 1 month old or 12 months old, they will get the same software updates. It's only when that model is too old that it stops receiving updates, and the newer one would stop at the same time as the old.

    But can I say that I have that right legally as it was kind of sold under false pretences (not exactly as advertised)?

    I don't think you've got any rights to that. It would be considered a change of mind and up to the retailer. I guarantee there was no advertisement stating you were purchasing a product manufactured in the last 2 months, so no false advertising. Shipping to Australia can take a while, it may sit in customs for a while, the Samsung distribution warehouse, then the retailers shelf 7 months old isn't unheard of and not surprising either.

    is there any way that Harvey Norman, or Samsung chat support or someone at a Samsung Store (asked over the phone while I'm at Harvey Norman) can do to tell me the manufacture date of a new phone still in the box at the store? That way I can at least see what I'm getting?

    If I was selling it to you? I'd suggest you purchase from the Samsung store. I'm not going to go through 50 boxes to read a serial number to you to purchase the newest one. I'm not going to waste my time and I doubt the Samsung support would stay on the phone for more than 3 serial numbers.

  • +8

    7-8 months is not odd. This applies to tech, appliances and other. When you buy your new air fryer, it's prob been sitting on display for a bit, maybe in another area before that, stored when in the warehouse prior etc, I wouldn't reasonable assume it had been made in the last month or 2.
    Not sure about the lifetime updates thing, but neither are you. If this is a concern then ask Samsung or find the official information on it, otherwise don't factor it in as it's just unsubstantiated rumour.
    You mentioned sending the phones in and that you're not doing that as it could take weeks. Why would you need to take them in when there's nothing wrong with them?

    Look I just think you're pissed coz you had phones you were happy with but have been forced to get new ones. Now that you've handed over your hard earned $ you want perfection because you want to use it as long as possible. But unless you wait for a newer model, it's not going to change anything. Phones are something I'm never satisfied with.

  • +25

    Now if you buy a phone that was made today - you'll get 4 updates… but if I buy a phone that was made 7-8 months ago - that might require 1-2 major updates just to catch up to the phone that was made today. So does that mean I'll only have 2 major updates left for the life of my phone (compared to you with 4 left?)

    That's not how updates work. They'll both be updated to the same version till the phone model is no longer supported.

  • +9

    I really hope you don’t get anything replaced because of this trash reason Raren

  • +4

    You're just pissed that the new phone hasn't got an IR blaster to mess with all the TV's out in public.

  • Rah rah rah first world problems.

    You must live a really nice live to write such a whole book about this…injustice.

  • +32

    So you used phones that were 7 years old, buy you are now worried about ones that are 7 months old? Surely this is a really lame troll.

  • +10

    I bought a jar of Vegemite yesterday with a production date of September, that will not see me through the summer before it is no longer optimal . I demand all Vegemite for sale be produced no longer than 7 days ago.

    • I think the fresh batch will be less salty.

  • +10

    RahRahRanT

    FTFY

    somebody was bored this morning…

  • +26

    PLEASE don't post any 'snarky/joke' comments/posts…

    *Inhales…*

    I want mine made the day before I purchase it. Why don't they just make the phone when I go in to buy it? Why cant Samsung move their manufacturing plant to behind my local Harvey Norman? A phone made in April is a second hand phone. It's not new, it was made in April!

    Get a grip, Karen. Bigger things to be worried about than the manufacture date of a mobile phone, FFS.

    As others have stated, these would be made in batch runs while the tooling is set up for that model of phone. They run a million of them off and then swap the tooling over to make a different model or a newer model.

    And if it is the same phone that was manufactured in a run in November, you are still going to get the same updates if it is the same phone. They are not going to go "Oh well, that phone was made in April, so no updates for them, only send updates for the batch made in November…"

    • +1

      A phone made in April is a second hand phone. It's not new, it was made in April!

      OP must think all new cars are 2nd hand based on that fallacy.

  • +2

    There is no way I am sending in a brand new phone less than a week old

    Lol, so is it 7 months old and "not new", or is it a "brand new phone", "less than a week old"? 😂

    • +1

      Truly a philosophical thought experiment for the ages. Schroedingers phone.

  • +5

    These were Samsung Galaxy S5's.

    So you bought the same brand as the ones you had already had issues with :/

    That's a solid way of making sure nothing changes :P

    Anyone got any advice on my rights here?

    Instead of incentivising a company that has now done you wrong twice, SWITCH BRANDS! It's easy with Android …

    My sons Pixel 2XL still gets updates and is still able to run all apps ;)

  • +41

    O.P. is confusing phones and milk.

    • +18

      To be fair - this morning I tried to add my mobile phone to my coffee and then tried to call my mum with the 3 litre jug of milk from the fridge.

      • +11

        Was the milk produced in April? It might be out of updates.

        • +4

          Should still be upgradeable to Diarrhoea 3.0

        • +3

          Won't happen. I've installed Cheese 2.1

  • +3

    Should've got yourself an iPhone instead.

  • +41

    Biggest advice, go to China (Zhengzhou province) and stand outside of Foxconn's factory to get your freshest Day 0 phone.

    • +4

      Straight out of the oven 👨‍🍳

    • According to Steven He, OP sounds Asian and needs gets the “freshest” item from back of the store fridge.

      OP might be trying to be a comedian.

  • +42

    This is should go in the list of Epic Threads along with public BBQ guy and 80k Investment Car Guy.

    I'd hate to be the Harvey Norman salesperson that's going to have to deal with this. Just wow…

    • Is there a wiki page for that kind of thing? If not there should be some sort of hall of fame for most idiotic forum threads on OzBargain, a voter's choice style system.

      • +10

        Yep, the classics are all there! https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/epic_threads

        • Wow, I didn't know such a thing existed haha. Thanks!

        • +2

          Well that was a ride:

          scotty posted this on 06/04/2011:
          1TB USBs in 2021? Are we STILL using USB to connect peripherals in 10 years time?!

          Too bad you can't reply to those old comments :)

    • +2

      80k Investment car one takes the cake for me 😂 true ozbargain classic.

  • -2

    wow you got a 2014 phone in 2022 … 8 years old and you complain about lack of software support

    • +2

      No, they got rid of a 2014 phone and bought an a33, which is an early 2022 phone

  • +1

    Are you for real OP? 🤔🙃

  • +9

    Software support goes by model release; Not from manufacturing date or purchase date.

    Eg. a Samsung A52s manufactured in 2021 has the same End of Life support date, as the Samsung A52s manufactured in 2022.


    Just wonder, Do you examine your partner as certified 'Brand New' tastes fresh before getting together ?

    • This is the exact answer the OP should be aware of.

  • +8

    Please film all your interactions with HN staff and post them here. We need more laughs.

  • This is seriously first world problems, LMFAO!!!!!

  • +4

    This post is up there with old mate who has either a red/black door (hes unsure) and his fear of stat dec's.

    Quite frankly, im here for it, maybe they can share a lawyer and sue HN and Amazon at the same time!

  • +6

    Wait until O.P. buys a new car and see the year of manufacture.

  • Brand new meaning: unopened. Never used. Still in original sealed packaging.

  • +3

    You sound like the worst customer to deal with.. I think you dropped your tinfoil hat op

  • +2

    Please don't go back to the store and bother the poor staff!
    The phones are fine. They are exactly what you bought. Could happen to ANY phone you buy (even a brand new phone only launched this month will have been mass produced many months ago). Theres nothing wrong with it, and as many others have said you WILL get the exact same software updates because everyone with that model gets the same updates regardless of when it was bought - it is done by model.

    • Wait till he buys an EOL life TV and realises it's at least 12 months old, probably have a heart attack

  • Nuts!

  • TL;DR: no

  • +1

    This is hard now.

  • +2

    Great creative post OP, keep it up

  • +2

    OP is that annoying person who (profanity) up the milk fridge and egg shelf at Woolies.

  • WTF! Really…

  • +8

    Started reading and you had me for a while. But the story got too ridiculous. A good troll leaves u wondering if real or not, this left no doubt.

  • fml.. these peasants story just get better and better each time!

  • +1

    How long do you expect a manufacturer to keep providing updates to your device for? Serious question, how long is reasonable for you?

  • TL;DR

  • To answer the question at hand, it depends on the model. My Realme X3 Superzoom very likely sat in a warehouse for at least 18 months before I bought it new earlier this year. I purchased it for less than a third of it's release price. Its specs hold up even today and it still gets updates. Would I pay release price for an older phone? No. Would I buy an A33? No. But there is this thing called the internet that you can use to research all this before purchasing.

  • In your case you need to purchase models within a month of release - even then it’s entirely possible they were manufactured two to three months beforehand especially if it’s a lower specced device. My OPPO Phone I bought was manufactured two months before purchase for example.

    The manufacture date has no bearing on software updates whatsoever and is only based on when it’s released and usually a predetermined set of time they will support the phone for. If a low specced phone even two years will be pushing it on Android.

  • +2

    You do realize that the software support starts from when the phone model hits the market - not from when your particular handset was manufactured?

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