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HP V10 RGB 16GB (2x8GB) Gaming RAM 3600MHz DDR4 CL14 1.45V $204.71 Delivered @ Amazon US via AU

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HP V10 RGB 16GB (2x8GB) Gaming RAM 3600MHz DDR4 CL14 1.45V $204.71 Delivered @ Amazon US via AUAffiliate
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DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 09:14 amazon.com.au (626 clicks)
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I've been looking for some CL14 ram for some time now to complement a 2-slot B550I mobo and 5700x CPU,
This is by far the cheapest with CL14 timings that I've found, especially the 32gb kit which is $372~

Seems from the notes to be compatible with all ARGB systems, 3600mhz latency at CL14 would be about the best you could get on such a platform.

Previously been watching the TEAM Extreem ARGB kit ($419) at PCCG, but the prices are not moving and frankly at $47 cheaper from a "brand" this seems like a good deal.
(EDIT) I should add it's listed as Samsung B-Die. which it's likely all CL14 kits are, and this is often very hard to confirm, but is right there in the description to avoid doubt.

Fingers crossed though on cyber monday prices?

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  • [Deactivated] on 26/11/2022 - 09:20

    Tempted to get the 32gb kit for $372.13

    • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 11:42

      I cannot update my post, but the USA amazon store has that kit for $338~ AUD delivered and I just bought, too tempting at that price.

      • [Deactivated] on 26/11/2022 - 11:43

        Wow what a steal.
        Got a link?

        • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 11:45

          https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09XFLR49D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b…

          $318.95 plus $18~ delivery AUD.

        • DisasterArea on 05/12/2022 - 10:45

          The item still hasn't been posted after ~10 days , which doesn't bode well for getting it any time soon (it originally showed it would be here on 7th, no chance).
          So I've cancelled and gone for a less capable g.skill trident Z Neo 32gb kit (16-19-19-19-xx) - a lot slower I know, but it will do, $249 at scorptec at the moment, so at least it's cheaper.

          better than the 3600 18-20-20-42 I'm running at presently (16gb) , should bring a small fraction of improvements :)

      • Mixhael on 26/11/2022 - 13:48

        It's closer to $360 after GST is added. So I'm happy to pay the extra upfront so I get the difference in cashback + deal with Amazon AU

  • LuslecGrace on 26/11/2022 - 09:22
    +2

    This is actually quite good for the price, usually you would barely find 3600mhz cl16 at this price.

    On a side note, this is my first time seeing HP ram lol.

    • sharky_k on 26/11/2022 - 09:26
      +1

      Yeah, HP ram is interesting, but it's Samsung B-die so should be solid

      • LuslecGrace on 26/11/2022 - 09:27

        Quite surprised I've never heard of it when it has a good quality build yeah

    • chyawala on 26/11/2022 - 09:33
      +3

      Actually for 3600mhz CL16 it is easy to get twice the RAM for this. 32 GB kit $199 at Umart https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/736914

      • LuslecGrace on 26/11/2022 - 09:35

        Yeah true, guess I was speaking about weeks and months ago when it was really expensive!

      • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 10:50

        32gb vs 64gb isn't going to make much difference, and at CL16-20-20 these sub timings are slow. The total refresh time is still affected by sub timings.
        sure , you can get twice as much SLOW ram, but you will not get the benefit. Admittedly AMD chips are going to benefit a lot more from CL14.

        https://www.techpowerup.com/review/hp-v10-rgb-ddr4-3600-2x-8… says at least the 16gb kit is 14-15-15-15 - that's two cycles of ram at 15ns instead of 20ns, i.e. at least 10ns more on the overall cycle time of the ram.. This is what you're paying extra for, and why samsung b-dies are so desired (and often hard to confirm until you've bought the sticks).

        The TEAM XTREEM ARGB kits are 14-14-14 which is pretty much the holy grail for a 32gb kit, and cannot be found in 64gb without blowing over $700 on a kit, if at all.
        The 16 gb CL14 TEAM kit is ~$320 https://www.amazon.com.au/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-3600MHz-PC4-2880…

        • sbtswr on 26/11/2022 - 12:29
          +1

          Can confirm this with my recent experience. I've been rocking a Viper Steel 4400 16GB Kit tuned to 3600Mhz Gear 1 14-14-14-28-250-1T @ 1.42V on my 12400f + B660M platform and I was getting 57000MB/s read and 49ns in Aida 64 tests. Then last month I bought one of these Kingston 32GB 3600MHz CL16 kit after reading that it uses the Hynix DJR in dual rank configuration which is supposed to be pretty decent.

          After installing the CL16 kit I immediately started tuning it hoping to get as much performance out of it as possible, it runs rock solid at XMP but as soon as I started tightening those timings it would fail the memory tests, even increasing voltage from 1.35v to 1.4V offered very little help. In the end I was only able to achieve 3600Mhz 16-19-19-38-600-2T @ 1.38V which is not much different from the XMP profile, and at the same 3600Mhz Gear 1 I was only getting 51000MB/s read and 60ns latency.

          In terms of gaming performance, once GPU bottleneck is removed (at 1080P or lower) I've noticed a 10 - 15% difference in framerate depending on the game, which translates to 144FPS -> 165FPS so it's quite a substantial increase.

          In the end I decided to stick with my 16GB B-die kit and sell the 32GB CL16 kit, then maybe get a new system in 3 - 4 years when 16GB starts to struggle.

  • sharky_k on 26/11/2022 - 09:28

    Looks to be very tall dimms, so might want to check compatibility with your cooler first.
    Edit: found it. It's 47mm, so pretty standard for RGB dimms

    • ATangk on 26/11/2022 - 09:30

      I feel like anyone on the market for these would be running watercooling or AIOs.

  • Jonahtech on 26/11/2022 - 09:34

    Have never come across HP desktop ram before, obviously they've done plenty of notebook ram though. Personally, I'd look at the Gskill B-Die Neo's CL16 and save a lot of money and tweak them down to CL 14 myself. Newegg usually have the best prices for them but with it being the "big sales" weekend you may find some locally at a decent price.

    • bdl on 26/11/2022 - 10:04

      It's probably Kingston/HyperX RAM considering HP bought them

      https://press.hp.com/us/en/press-releases/2021/hp-inc-comple…

    • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 11:02

      I'd look at the G.skill too if there was a way to guarantee it'll be b-die.
      I have two sets of G.skill that are 3200/CL16 and they run fine at 3600CL16-18-18 but they're hynix… so go figure, it seems to be a dark art confirming what chips are in there.

      • Jonahtech on 26/11/2022 - 11:30

        GSkill's Hynix Kits always have the letter C at the end. eg F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC would be Hynix C-Die and the equivalent Samsung B-die is the F4-3600C16D-32GTZN.

        • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 11:39

          Mine don't have a C at the end, they're F4-3200C16-8GTZR - two separate kits which were playing perfectly together (and both SK Hynix) but I divided them for two machines @16gb each. I'm putting them all back together again hence bought this HP kit @32gb so both my machines will now be 32gb.

          One runs happy up to 3600 CL16 / 3800 CL18, the other I've had to pin at 3400 as I'm preferencing CL16 over CL18 (it will run 3600 @ CL18-20-20-42)
          so luck of the draw, two kits and one is more responsive than the other AND can maintain higher speeds. putting them together limits me to the slowest kit.

          I'm hoping the HP CL14's will squeak a few % performance over the "slower" G.skill , both machines are on 5900x so I've done a lot of like for like benchmarking and the B550 system is slightly SLOWER than the X470 as it has the slower ram as well as some CPU silicon lottery and heat dissipation issues in mini ITX over the older X470. swings and roundabouts.

          I guess I'll know more when the ram arrives.

    • bobzor on 26/11/2022 - 09:50
      +1

      CL19?

      • Mattblack on 26/11/2022 - 09:58

        The 4400mhz cl19 kit can comfortably do 3600 c14.

        This 4000mhz kit is likely not b.die

        • BROKENKEYBOARD on 26/11/2022 - 10:30

          This 4000mhz kit is likely not b.die

          Every report I've seen said it was b die.

          • Mattblack on 27/11/2022 - 18:21

            @BROKENKEYBOARD: 19÷4000x2000=9.5
            18÷3600x2000=10
            16÷3200x2000=10

            It is barely faster than 3600 c18..

            14÷3600x2000=7.7

            Big difference

        • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 11:00
          -1

          Perhaps… but no RGB? I've heard RGB has performance impacts so people avoid it, but in my case, literally, it's on display (TT the tower 100) , so I want the RGBs.

    • sbtswr on 26/11/2022 - 12:52

      Both 4000 and 4400 are B-die, you can tell from the timings, only B-die can achieve flat timings e.g. 19-19-19

      I've got the 4400Mhz kit which I bought for $146 three months ago, managed to tune it to 3600Mhz 14-14-14-28-250-1T at just 1.42V, passed all the memory tests and haven't had any driver crash with a 5700 XT (AMD drivers are more prone to crash if RAM is unstable).

  • [Deactivated] on 26/11/2022 - 09:49

    Damn, this price is DDR5 territory.

    • dcep on 26/11/2022 - 12:09

      CL40

      • [Deactivated] on 26/11/2022 - 12:10

        Game high FPS on newer platform. why you need CL14?

  • Able20 on 26/11/2022 - 10:08

    Cheap

  • pkjames on 26/11/2022 - 10:16
    +1

    great performance.
    I have been using the 32GB 3600Mhz variant for a while now. Excellent match for the 13gen Intel offering.

    • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 10:58

      Thanks for that, I've bought the 32gb kit, should be the best option for a 2-slot board.

      I cannot seem to edit my post but the US store is even cheaper, $338 delivered for the 32gb kit, and same postal time.

  • Sinnerator on 26/11/2022 - 14:20

    250% PRICE increase over 16gb 3200/cl16 for $80.
    How much faster is this ram?
    What am I missing here?
    Usual for some special app?

    • DisasterArea on 26/11/2022 - 14:48

      Clearly you are missing quite a bit, and should probably go and read up on RAM speeds rather than expecting to be educated by others.
      It is not for everyone to be sure, and if you're not using an AMD chip, it's less critical, however multi-core AMD chips are held together by the "infinity fabric" which locks the chips internal core to core communications to the ram speed. Simply put, the faster you can run the infinity fabric, the faster the whole system.

      With RAM, 3600 = an IF of 1800, which is about the most stable speed you can reach, some can go to 1900 or 2000 (DDR4 / 4000) but that gets less and less likely to work

      3600 "megatransfers per second" is better than 3200 , 12.5% faster for all cpu and ram operations, in theory, and wider bandwidth (more gigabytes per second).
      Cache Latency, or "how fast the ram responds to a request and delivers the requested data" , also has a big impact. If you want very high FPS games, too high a CL, with too slow RAM, can impact the possible FPS you can achieve in a game. We're probably in general talking about small % figures, however in SOME instances 3200 CL16 vs 3600 CL14 ram could make a significant difference.

      Around the 10 minute mark shows the difference : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1uY_5BAFAs&t=661s

      I'm sure someone who can be bothered to explain it better could find some evidence supporting it, but for sure it's an "enthusiast" hardware, law of diminishing returns.

      for example, benchmarking cinebench 23 out of the box I get 16,000~ or so, but if I put good cooling on the CPU, play with the voltages a little, mess with the power draw and clock speeds, I can get it stable at 23,500 (1.46x the performance) - having high infinity fabric speeds, and low latency RAM could squeeze another 2-4% out, maybe more. That's not why people buy it I'm sure but it's more about getting the most performance out of what you have.

      • Sinnerator on 26/11/2022 - 19:11
        -6

        Why be an insulting p#ick about it?

        • DisasterArea on 27/11/2022 - 18:26

          Check your post for a minute and you'll see you barrelled in insulting everyone with "what's special about this ram"? -

  • scoobydoodledoo on 27/11/2022 - 16:18

    I have some Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB 3600MHz, CL14-16-16-36 1.45V, I can let go off. What are these worth?

  • Mixhael on 13/12/2022 - 04:53

    The 32gb kit has sold out, would I be able to use two 16gb kits? Just curious if using 4 sticks of dual rank is okay compared to 5 sticks of single rank.

    • DisasterArea on 13/12/2022 - 12:21
      +1

      Using different kits is not generally recommended… but also 4 sticks of dual rank is a lot for the memory controller to figure out, it may not work at all….

      A lot depends on what CPU? - and check the motherboard and CPU memory compatibility guides, they should indicate whether this setup will work there's usually a qualified vendor list and indications of what mix/match memory specifications.

      If you see say TEAM Extreem have QVL for 4x8gb kit, dual rank, low latency CL14, then there's a good chance this one will work. I guess worst case is you get only 16gb that works.

      Sad I missed out on the 32gb kit, it just wasn't shipping, I waited two weeks for nothing to happen before giving up and buying a much slower CL16 3600mhz kit

      • Mixhael on 13/12/2022 - 16:57

        Thanks for the reply! I appreciate it as I'm very new to all this.

        For reference I'm using a 5800x3d as my processor on a MSI creative x570.

        I ended up just buying one 16gb kit so I can experiment with overclocking and all that, as I've read less is better when you're tuning for stability and overclocks. For my needs 16gb is getting a bit small but I can always upgrade next year or so if I really need it. That said I'm also sad I missed out on the 32gb kit.

        Where would I do more reading for CPU compatibility guides?

        • DisasterArea on 13/12/2022 - 17:33
          +1

          https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d

          4x2r(ank) limits the speed, look at "max memory speed"

          https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-compatible-memory-ryze…

          Using that and the "overclocked memory" column will give a rough guide on what works, but I suspect you'd not get 3600mhz out of 4 slot 2-row memory , the controller likely cannot handle that.

          I was looking at 2 slot specifically because I had only 2 slots on the B550-I Gaming

          • Mixhael on 13/12/2022 - 21:34

            @DisasterArea: Right thank you. I see the memory compatibility now. Seems 2 slot 2 rank seems best for the 5800x3d as 4 by 1 seems to limit it to below 3000 vs 3200 for the 2 by 2. I know we can overclock but judging from the base speeds it seems two slots is more stable.

            I guess I made the right choice going for one kit instead of two.

            I really appreciate the help :)

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