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Breville Dynamic Duo (Breville Dual Boiler + Smart Grinder Pro, Black Truffle) $1399 Shipped (RRP $2399) @ David Jones

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I've been looking for a deal on these in the matte black for a good few months. I was watching one on Amazon that was at $1599 for ages. Then I spotted this one. Not a historic low but lower than everywhere else AFAIK. There is a stainless steel BDB on eBay $1179, but I wanted the black and can use the grinder, plus brick and mortar store for warranty, but technically that is cheaper if you just want the espresso machine.

Includes the smart grider pro. You could flip that if you don't want it. But the excellent folks at Alternative Brewing recently picked it as the Niche Zero blind, so a massively under-rated grinder it would seem.

DJs also has 2% cash rewards, not sure whether that will be honoured on a discounted item though.

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  • -7

    People pay $2399 for Breville??

    Seriously, for the same price you can get an Lelit Mara X machine with Isomac Professionale grinder, from Jetblack.

    • Can you please share the link(s) to these two products? Thanks.
      Edit: this? Single boiler?https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/lelit-mara-x
      And this?
      https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/isomac-profession…

      • Lelit Mara is an HX - different to single boiler. Can steam milk while pulling shots.

        • I see. It also seems to have a smaller footprint. Is the grinder also better than the Breville Smart Grinder Pro?

    • +1

      Why would you want an outdated glamourised E61 group head? There’s plenty of those at much more affordable prices.
      They’re not wrong in saying that it’s a single boiler either, it’s a single boiler with an exchanger and has more variance in temperature compared to modern boilers. James Hoffman has a deep dive on consumer machines explaining this
      $1399 is more than what I’m willing to pay though for a Breville grinder. I’d swap to a Eureka immediately (Stepped vs Stepless)
      I know a lot of people love to match the Black Dual boiler with the Eureka Silent Black, it looks stunning on the countertop

      • The e61 group head still make coffee superior to the breville.
        Ive gone through dual boiler, oracle and now have a pavoni botticelli specialty and there is literally no comparison to the quality of coffee the botticelli can pull.
        The only problem with e61 is waiting a good 20 minutes to properly siphon the e61 head with hot water

        • You meant 20 seconds? Or really 20 minutes?

          • +1

            @wtfnodeal: You do not need to wait that long, the machine can make coffee before that once the boiler reach its temp, but it is good idea to wait till the group-head and all the internal brass pipes get hot. BTW, that applies to any machine, do not believe the marketing department that tell you a machine is ready in 10 sec.

          • @wtfnodeal: As hunta mentioned you dont need to but having the portafilter and group head all warmed up properly increases the consistency of your coffee making. The e61 has channels of brass circulating water in the group head. Until that water temperature maintains a high enough temp in the group head (siphoning cooler water out to boiler and introducing hot water to group head it takes around 20 minutes

            • @maverickjohn: Depends on ambient temp. My R58 group gets very hot to the touch in ~10 mins in summer, with no siphoning.

        • -1

          A $4000 machine makes better coffee than a $900 machine? Insert surprised Pikachu face here

  • +6

    I reckon just buy the machinen on its own if anyone sells it.
    Buy the eureka mignon as a grinder

    • +2

      +1 to Eureka Mignon. I have the Silenzio - it's excellent.

    • SGP is a solid choice at this price range. Eurekas are the next step up.

      • Only about $150 difference .
        Sgp is like $469 now
        Eurkea is around $600

        • +2

          I bought my Eureka Specialita from espressocoffeeshop.com for $500 shipped. No reason not to if you’re tossing up between that and the SGO in my opinion.

        • +1

          SGP is $279 at Amazon.

          • @OzBrogains: Yeah when its in sale few weeks ago most had retail. Which i was mistaken it was $429

            • @maverickjohn: Breville stuff is always on sale. Nobody pays RRP for it fyi.

              • -1

                @OzBrogains: I hope not as they are definitely not worth the rrp pricing

                • +3

                  @maverickjohn: For the neggers, work out the maths.
                  This is $1399.
                  You can get the BDB on its own for sub 1k ($905) using the good guys commercial link below.
                  You are effectively spending over $490 for the SGP. You can dis all you like, its not worth the $400.
                  As a person who enjoys this hobby im telling you guys its not worth it.
                  Buy the BDB on its own and buy the eureka for a total of $1500 or you can get a separate SGP for $280 making a saving of over $210 from this deal

                  • @maverickjohn: Hey, is the eureka your referring to the following: https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/en/best-sellers/55-112530…

                    • +1

                      @xpliset: Thats the one!.
                      One of the best value for money grinders out there.This performs similarly to my eureka atom in a smaller footprint. its superb!

                      • @maverickjohn: Thanks, would you recommend the eureka over the DF64? they seem to be priced around the same.

                        • @xpliset: Hmmm difficult question.
                          I would say probably df64 is better as it is a single dose grinder and you can adjust burrs and replace default with something like a high uniformity ssp burr.
                          You have to assess how you would like your workflow. E.g. If you don't mind weighing your doses etc. and do that as a part of your work flow then df64 is better. if you just want the grinder to release dose based on grind time then eureka is the one to go for.. it may not be consistently accurate, but will be 95% consistant vs close to 100% on df64..

                          Also 55mm burr on eureka doesn't have alternative burr's easily accessible.
                          In a nutshell df64 has more potential long term and will pull similar shots to eureka out of box. but eureka is a very good low maintenance happy out of the box solution.

      • as a former SGP owner and current Eureka owner, please just get Eureka.. i got my Eureka Mignon Zero at $480 including shipping from espressocoffeeshop

        • +1

          AUD has weakened a lot recently so ECS proved would be higher now. And not everyone is comfortable buying from overseas, so Eurekas start at around $600-700 locally.

    • +1

      What makes this grinder so good?

      • I stuck with the Breville grinder for about 10months then bought the Eureka, once you get into this hobby it's a rabbit hole. But you do notice it! The Breville grinder leaves the coffee ground clumpy and the Eureka doesn't (this is what's most obvious to me).

        • You CAN (I stress can) use a WDT to unclump it, but grind uniformity of the Eureka will be far better.

          I gifted my SGP to my dad to use with his old Sunbeam 6910, he seems to struggle along with it alright. I upgraded to a Super Jolly…. it's a touch clumpy, but nowhere near the dollops of the SGP

    • +1 bought a Eureka Mignon after having the cheaper grinder paired with my dual boiler for a couple of years. Same beans but my coffee is so much better! (And I didn't mind it before)
      Oh and it's so much quieter!

    • +1

      Jb has a sale this week coming for just the unit. A much better option than paying for the smart grinder pro, it’s a sub par grinder that can be beaten by many grinders within the $300-500 range or even a $100-200 hand grinder

      • What comparable price auto grinders would you recommend?

        • A baratza sette 30 for under $400. Won’t have as much adjustment as the sette 270 but a better option than the SGP. If you’re shelling out $300-400 for that SGP, considering JB is about to sell the dual boiler for $1049, and this deal is $1400, that’s around $250 you could save to put towards a nicer grinder. Me personally, if I were to start my coffee journey again, I would buy a single boiler that steams milk, and spend the money on the grinder. A breville bambino, gaggia classic pro, rancilio silvia, all these will be cheaper options to then put the money towards grinders. But the dual boiler is a great machine for its price( I owned one for 3 years) but I went from a sunbeam grinder, to a rancilio rocky, to a sette 270, to now owning a niche zero. My grinder made the biggest changes on my machine. I was able to make back to back shots, day in day out with consistency. You could always look at 2nd hand market for used electric grinders that are usually out of budget new, but can be had for good prices

          • @Discoaus: Thanks for the recommendation - snagged the dual boiler for 900 and the sette 30 for $380. Cheers!

            • +1

              @RubyShoes: Great to here! I wish you goodluck, and so hope your coffee journey is wonderful. If you need any help, feel free to private message me as I’m more than happy to help. Also, I’d suggest having a look on the Australian coffee forum on google. Www.coffeesnobs.com.Au , plenty of local snobs with same machine and grinders and willing to assist

    • +1

      I have a Eureka now, but I started off with the SGP, and although the Eureka is the better grinder I wouldn't have an issue recommending the SGP to someone starting off.

      It's much easier to use. Easy to navigate the interface and make adjustments. I used to write down the recipes on a sticky note between all the different beans I was trying out. This would have been much harder to do with Eureka's stepless dial. It's a quality grinder for that price and served me really well.

      After a while I upgraded to a Eureka Specialita. Not because I was unhappy with the SGP, but more so because I now mainly stick to one bean (local roaster) and I wanted to try a flat burred grinder to get more consistent results with more control over the grind size.

      A big difference I've noticed is that the SGP (with canonical burrs) gave me a "thicker" coffee compared to the Eureka, which I do miss. But I'm definitely getting a much more consistent daily coffee with the Eureka.

      Hope this helps someone.

      • The 30 settings of the sgp arent sistant enough to get the right flavour from some beans. As they go stale those finer adjustments are needed. Something like the sette 270 are better in that respect.
        Im not dissing the grinder if someone wants to pay $280 or so but as a part of this deal its not that great as you can get the BDB for sub 1k

      • +2

        What you’re noticing in less ‘thicker’ shots is the change of burrs. You’ve gone from a conical burr set to a flat burr set. Flats produces less fines and more clarity in shots, better for lighter roasts, pourovers etc, while conicals work well with milk drinks and medium-dark roasts, favouring heavy bodied shots, usually noted as creamier, and more chocolatey and nutty usually

  • +1

    Bought this set a couple of years ago for around $1k, been very happy with it. Though would be tempted to see if there's a better price to be had on the actual black friday…

  • +2

    Urgh, I'd feel dirty paying $1400 for something that was selling on special for $1194 + $120 EFTPOS card in 2017.

    Think I might run with a Lelit Elizabeth this time around when the time finally comes, I don't need another grinder.

  • +9

    TGG commercial sells the machine by itself at $905. Managed to snag a click-and-collect order yesterday since I don't wanna wait for BF deals.

    https://www.thegoodguyscommercial.com.au/breville-the-dual-b…

    Access to TGG commercial:
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/704612
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/437362

    • That's a lot more reasonable, forcing people to pay for a grinder they probably don't want or need is surely pushing people away from replacing like for like.

    • Perfect, allows people to grab Eureka instead to grind

    • Wonder if JB would match this…

    • Thanks! Just followed your lead and did the same thing, $144 cheaper than Jb’s upcoming sale and pickup today

  • +1

    Bought this combo (separately) in stainless steel for $1036 around the BF sale last year.

  • +1

    There is also a bonus redemption if purchased from a participating store. Link for redemptions

    https://promotions.breville.com.au/bonus-deluxe-coffee-exper…

  • +9

    OK.

    I bought this duo several years ago for a lot less than this. And I sold it for more than I paid for it earlier this year. Fixed the solenoid under warranty on the DB and a felt washer on the SGP. Both worked a treat as I took my journey into home espresso.

    But those days of getting the duo for $800 are long gone.

    So what did I buy to replace them? The same damn duo- separately and on special. That's what I think of them. Yes they have flaws that you will realise as your skills grow and learn to compensate accordingly. But awesome equipment for the price. And you will be hard pressed to find any highly regarded reviewer out there who thinks any differently.

    The fact that these are made by an Australian company and so we get them at a price cheaper than the rest of the world makes them even more of a bargain.

    But as you learn more about what you like and the science of brewing great coffee you will want to step up- but that comes at a price.

    My Niche Zero grinder arrives from the UK next week. It costs me just over $1000 landed in Australia. After several years with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro I'm ready to step up to zero retention accurate grinding. But I'm sticking with the Breville Dual Boiler- it's the bomb.

    Seriously, if you are just entering the world of home espresso creation- THIS is the duet that you want at a decent price.

    My story - YMMV.

    • +2

      Agreed with the BDB being a great workhorse. It isn’t a shiny European machine but it’ll pump out espressos consistently for years.

      • i have a rancilio single group commercial in sitting my garage as takes too long for a coffee in the morning ….love breville dual boiler bought it in 2018, heats quick to 93c for water and whatever temp the steam boiler is. i have the smart grinder and it has been going for years …..might upgrade when it dies but until them i find more variation between brands of coffee than the grind …..

        the days of $680 for one are gone ….. not sure if you will see the smart grinder for $170 anytime soon …… until freight and energy costs come down prices will be higher than they were 4 years ago, and until everybody is back at work and supply chains are running at full capacity you have shortages also driving up prices ……..

        lucky coffee or cocoa beans haven’t gone up but let’s see where climate change takes that one.

  • -1

    These machines go on sale every Christmas at Harvey Norman. I bought mine in 2020 for $699 the grinder was $149.

    • +2

      Can't recall ever seeing the BDB for $699 in the past 2 years. But it has gone on sale for $850 - $950 in that period. The SGP has also hit as low as $200. Holding off for the black Friday sales to kick off properly might be the smart option to save $$.

      • +1

        Before covid, the cheapest price for dual boiler was $640, grinder was $160. Total $800.
        At that time it was a 20% off eBay code on the already discounted price ($800+$200). The usual price before covid was ($1250+$250)

        • +1

          In April 2016 Harvey Norman sold the Breville Dual Boiler BES920 at $799 with $100 cashback so I think they will be referring to that.

          The eComm Store Pty Ltd A.C.N 145 985 815 as trustee for
          The eCommerce Agency No 2 Trust ABN 14 818 873 384 trading as

          HARVEY NORMAN ONLINE
          Locked Bag 1
          Silverwater BC NSW 1811

          Issue date: 29/04/2016
          Product Details: Qty Price
          Breville BES920 Dual Boiler Coffee Machine
          Product code: BES920
          Ends 1.5.16
          $100 Cashback via Redemption
          1 $799
          Total Paid: $799
          (Incl. GST $72.64)

          • -1

            @dandandan: Was $699 back then sometimes even $620. Keep in mind HN is also ran off commisions so you would have been able to get even cheaper speaking a sales person there. Small goods don't have much GP, but maybe 11% further discount.

            However I did get a black machine not silver, colours come and go and some get discounted further when discontinued with Breville.

  • @redrich2000 would you mind linking to the source? Just interested as a big fan of AB and can't find it. Unsure that a smart grinder pro really would be all that similar with beans in hopper for 1-2 weeks compared to weighed/vaccuumed amount that is required for Niche Zero? A daily routine could change this quite a bit?

    But the excellent folks at Alternative Brewing recently picked it as the Niche Zero blind, so a massively under-rated grinder it would seem.

    I have been following the Nice Zero for years but currently have an Oracle Espresso which really helps with convenience (family, guests, noobs) but wouldn't mind a second grind for myself for a different profile.

    • +1

      Here is the AB review comparing the SGP with the MUCH more expensive Niche Zero. There are obviously huge differences in quality of construction and consistency between the 2 but AB was unable to identify which was which in a blind taste test of coffees using the same blend and brewing machine.

      https://youtu.be/g6ldIvyQwv0?t=981

      • tbf, what he's says about the SGP seems a bit catty.

        Quality wise, the rubbers, fit, and plastics are A1, and their longevity excellent. He really dismisses this as normal, when I've seen so much worse, even in far more expensive units.

        The switchable (1/2 cup) grind time is very useful for anyone switching between 1 and 2 cup baskets (most tend to do this, but the reviewer does not like having it? Oh? Please.

        Also the way he talks about the burrs with plastic shells and that they can come off, again not a problem on the SGP, I've never seen one fail like this. Never seen one fail, period. Adjustment of the burrs, he is wrong that they give you 60 settings, these just allow the burrs to be 'set' in order to allow for production tolerances, and dial out some wear as the burrs age in use.

        And he calls it noisy, which it is in comparison to a heavy metal shelled unit, but these are all far more expensive… it's really isn't noisy for a plastic unit.

        Apart from the minor things above, the review was 'quite' excellent.

  • Have had this grinder for over 5 years no issues, on my 2nd BS920 though.

    • Very common. My first one was in for repairs religiously every 12 months.

  • FYI - it's looks great in black but it scratches very easily.

  • Bought a 2nd hand BS920 couple of months ago with 300 shots "on the clock". I'm now up to 500 shots but just found out this morning if you hold the manual, 1 cup or 2 cup button for 7 secs or more the machine records it as a shot. So I'm going to set the 1 cup to 6 secs and use it to warm up and clean the head.

    • +1

      The first 7 sec is pre-infusion I think. From memory you can change that setting. Maybe change that setting to see if it affects the count

      • I've changed the duration of the 1 cup to 6 secs so when I press it now there is no pre-infusion, just hot water comes out for 6 secs.
        Pressing the manual button is the same, no pre-infusion, hot water comes out immediately.
        Pressing and holding the manual button will start the pre-infusion. This is what I'm currently doing to get my turbo shots.

  • +1

    Great machine, I've had mine for 7+ years and it's still going strong.

    You won't find much that compares with this unit for the asking price.

    You pay 3K + for other brands in the dual boiler configurations.

    • +2

      Have to agree based on my research. Lots of info on the internet about maintenance, DIY repairs and mods for the BDB.

  • +2

    Amazing machine. Bought a Lelit to replace it and taste doesn't really change is your know what you are doing. Ended up returning it. The people I read saying that there is so much difference, methinks are justifying the spend.

    My 2c

  • +3

    FYI for those interested, if you buy them separately from TGG Commercial it ends up cheaper, although only stainless steel option. Prices as of today:
    $905 for the dual boiler
    $274 for the smart grinder pro
    $35 for delivery
    = $1214

    As others have stated though, best get the dual boiler on its own and then pay a bit more for a Eureka or even a Baratza sette for a budget friendly option.

    • I bought the DB for $860 last year, but couldn't get stainless. Its unfortunte, because the black scratches up so easily. Highly recommend stainless steal unless you're in love with black!

  • on run out at Myer if you can find stocks @ $1200

  • Do people have alternatives to the SGP?

    I'm on my second faulty and am so over it. Will be asking for a refund instead of replacement this time, and am happy to add a little more $ wise for a overall better grinder.

    I've been struggling to find one that can handle both coarse and fine grinds though, because I drink espresso as well as moccamaster & french pres.

    • I think you better off having good grinder for the espresso/fine grind and another grinder for the coarse grind. You can not keep changing setting on regular basis and get consistent result.

      • +1

        I had a friend say this too :/
        With a budget of roughly 600, do you think this is possible or should I prioritise one for now and keep saving for the other?

        • +1

          Which grind size you use more often, fine or coarse?
          Did you consider buying electric grinder and another hand grinder?
          Have a look at espressocoffeeshop they currently have black friday 15% off so could pick up Eureka Spicialita for the fine grind or even 2 grinder from them?

        • +1

          As a person who also drinks french press and espresso/latte if you had to choose one grinder go for the one that does good fines for the espresso. I normally make my french press grinded by the supplier. Its harder for me to tell the difference on the french press when coffee starts getting stale. But for the espresso it impacts more on freshness, hence why i buy only fresh whole beans.
          If you choose to do v60 though you definitely need to have 2 grinders.
          If you like darker roasts try to aim for something like a niche zero which does cost around $1k. Buy you will have one of the best conical burr grinders made.
          On the flat burr scene (which tends to favour light medium and omni roasts the eureka mignon is a great entry into flat burrs and is built well. For single dosing you can look at the df64. And slowly do upgrades such as adding red ssp burrs with high uniformity.
          I didn't get a single dose grinder myself but bought a eureka atom 65. It's a commercial grade machine but routinely have friends over so I wanted something that can churn decent coffee quickly.

    • -1

      Budget?

      • Overall roughly 600 i think(?)

        • +1

          I bought a Eureka Specialita for $700. Many accounts say it's a great grinder once you have it dialled in.

  • Just wanna know is this bundle a good price?

    • NO

      • sure will not buy!

        • If you explain what exactly you looking for, how many coffee you make at one time, how many every day, how you drink your coffee black or latte, how much you want to spend, available bench space on kitchen, then people can give you right advice.

          • @huntabargain: Currently compare Bambino vs Express, not much bench space on kitchen, probably 2 cups latte a day, budget < $1000 (includes grinder cost), not sure Bambino or Express which will have better results.

            • +1

              @JinWu: I suggest you go to store and see the Bambino, Express and dual boiler so you can see how much room each takes. This dual boiler is very wide and you will need room for grinder and some gap around them, so if you don't have room for them, do not confuse your self. The dual boiler is the best value for $900 and you just need Brev smart grinder for ~$250.
              Bambino cost ~$360 and same grinder $250, so total cost is $610 well below budget.
              Express is good looking machine and probably takes the least overall room as it has inbuilt grinder and cost ~$550, it however slower to heat up, slower to steam milk and slower to go from brewing coffee to steam. As they are one unit, you can't upgrade in the future.
              Breville Express Pro cost ~$899 (can get some discount if you have ebay code). It is similar to express, but is faster steam, faster recovery from brew to steam and takes same width. It also has timer so can be helpful when brewing coffee. All these machines I mentioned have 9bar OPV - over pressure valve so it help to not getting bitter taste coffee. The Express is the only machine that its OPV is not set to 9bar, so it is lacking in this regard.

              • @huntabargain: Thanks for the summary, it really helps, I might not consider express compared to Pro, cause I want it to be faster steam. Will not consider dual boiler, I think it is too big for me. I might choose btw Bambino plus and Express Pro.

                • @JinWu: The difference bet Bambino and Bambino Pro, it has auto steam / froth. If you don't mind manual steam/froth, then Bambino is ~ $150 cheaper.

                  • @huntabargain: Does the bambino plus has stronger team than the Bambino?

                    • @JinWu: No same steam power/recovery.
                      It just auto steam so you can set how hot and frothy you want it as it has sensor within the waste tray so it can sense the temp of steamed milk to know when it stops.
                      You can also search for reviews on youtube!

                      • @huntabargain: Thanks for the knowledge.
                        Might consider this deal!

                        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/736685

                        • @JinWu: I would get the regular bambino seeing as space is an issue for you. Then put the savings into the best grinder you can get with your left over money.

                        • @JinWu: yes something like this, but they have no stock. TGGC selling same for $357 if you have access to them.
                          If you buy Bambino you can use pre ground coffee for a short time till you get experienced / familiar then buy grinder afterward when a good deal comes up.
                          Edit: I think sea salt colour is the only one available on Breville site.

  • Expired.
    DJs are now 1799
    Called around a few stores and they wont honour the cheaper price

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