Looks like the 7950x has dropped in price again, AMD seems to be really struggling in sales. Motherboards for these feel a bit overpriced right now, they should probably try and fix the motherboard pricing instead of making the CPUs cheaper. But Intel's power consumption this generation is so high going for AMD (and putting in eco mode) will save me around $100 per year in power bills (I need my computer running 24/7), so it's still the better choice for me.
See you in 3 years
I bet three years from now PCs will start transitioning to ARM SoC, just like Apple did. And another three years later the performance to dollar proposition will make traditional build your own gaming rigs look a bit silly.
TBH I agree with this. :)
Yeah with bets like that you're gonna go broke. Maybe in some cheap laptops/mini sff prebuilts there'll be an arm chip, most definitely not for enthusiast market for at least 10 years. You're forgetting windows on arm is trash, the chips are garbage and 99.9% of software including games run on x86 and emulating kills performance even further.
Doubt it.
I reckon SOC for prebuilts will be common, but enthusiasts still building. Something like 80% of all faults with on brand of prebuilts was Memory not seated correctly so soldered memory or memory on the cpu probably inevitable.
I reckon they will reduce the instruction set on x86 drop support for all the ancient instructions and have the new version of windows emulate them if need be.
So some sort of new reduced x86 probably in servers first or maybe even in gaming consoles like new a cheaper Xbox.
Intel has tried this a few times and failed commercially but it's about a 30% power improvement and improved manufacturing output so I reckon it's inevitable they get it done.
So many cpu instructions now handled by GPUs too so much waisted silicon on x86 currently.
You can get 16GB DDR5 for around $70 so that's not really an issue. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/734480
The cheapest motherboard I can find costs $300 right now (which is really overpriced)
I think the CPU prices are decent at the high end but the low end CPUs are overpriced.
ok didn't know DDR5 was available at that price, I think we will see better pricing by Feb next year once this "recession" really kicks in,
The following is probably more reasonable:
7700X $550
Motherboard $180
16 GB 5200 $120
is this worth upgrading from a 5950x?
Probably not
I agree
not right now, unless you are doing serious amounts of productive work,
But ur cpu is already super solid, what more would u like it to do?
If you have to ask, probably not.
If you have a understanding of workloads that you're running, look at benchmarks and decide whether the performance increase is worthwhile.
single thread performance is around 30% more, I am on 5950x as well, so I am tempted for my intensive productivity work across multi VMs
I'm on a 3950X, waiting for you guys to pick up the 7950X so I can buy your 5950X cheap second hand ;)
As everyone said, really depends as you'll have to move to AM5 from AM4. I've gone from 3950X to 5950X (AORUS X570 Master) to an 7950X (MSI PRO X670-P Wi-Fi) and undervolted and get an impressive boost in my workloads (obviously lower than stock, but also run a lot cooler and less power draw). This particular box spends all day compiling things and coupled with fast NVMEs it's doing wonders (we tack about a 20-35% efficiency boost across Clang and llvm langs). Probably should point out, using the built in iGPU is also win for us. Another box we load with GPUs for ML workloads.
If your workload isn't as demanding, waiting for another AM5 generation may be better - this wasn't a cheap upgrade, mainly because how expensive the motherboards are.
F the AM5 Mobo prices, that's the biggest problem with AM5. Guess doesn't help that Intel also got Ryzen 7000 beat at every level.
Intel pretty much beats AMD at everything except performance per watt. You just need to enable eco mode to get the maximum benefit.
What are you running that uses near-max CPU usage 24/7?
Edit: nevermind, I see multiple comments on the same thing below. Not sure it's that much of a selling point.
Good for people who are dead-set on DDR5, since Intel DDR5 boards are just as if not more expensive
AMD dropping prices after getting caught being greedy vs intels offerings haha
They released first. If it had been the other way around, I'm sure there would have been different initial prices and adjustment in price from Intel.
they could of guessed intels price based on the 12900k and they went expensive.
Also it never stopped them before this gen when there prices was always reasonable.
I'm sure they did their best to guess 13th gen Intel and factor that into pricing. According to a few sources, Intel is running on smaller margins. Aggressive pricing along with performance level may not have been expected. The AMD range is still compelling if you're primarily gaming, or value things like power efficiency or future upgrades(not a reason on its own imo)
Also it never stopped them before this gen when there prices was always reasonable
From what I remember, the 5600X was priced above Intel and it took quite a while for lower models such as the 5600 to release. Corporations are always going to respond to market conditions and price accordingly.
All that said, it's a pretty good time - there are a lot of great CPUs at different price points depending on use cases The older platforms also can still a decent purchase.
Hey OP, if you need your Pc on 24/7 why not go for something way more power efficient like a 5600 or 5700? Do you need the extra power that much?
The 7950X is more power efficient if he's running a multi core workload.
~2.5x the TDP
~3-4x the multicore perf.
If I were to pick a different CPU it would be the 5950x as it runs more efficiently at stock. However the 7950x beats the 5950x in power efficiency when in 65W eco mode. 5600 and 5700 are all less efficient than the 5950x. I don't need the extra power of the 7950x at the moment, but I would like some of the newer platform benefits such as DDR5 with on die ECC. Although this isn't full ECC, it should still have a positive impact on system reliability.
the 5600 for $189 or whatever it was is still the best price/performance chip on here lately, the fact you can pair it with a super old A320 board…
Are they still selling a320?
Thanks OP. I ordered 2 so I can run them in SLI. 32 cores baby!!
What are you saying? You ordered two CPUs so you could run them like a deprecated graphics card pairing mechanism, that proved for many years to have such poor performance scaling that it was completely abandoned? How does that even work? (I mean, how does it make sense in your head? I know how it 'works' in reality, because it doesn't).
You just connect them with the bridge. Boom.
Too bad the motherboards for these are so ridiculously expensive, 900 dollarydoos for an ITX x670 board? Tell em they're dreaming!
But Intel's power consumption this generation is so high going for AMD (and putting in eco mode) will save me around $100 per year in power bills (I need my computer running 24/7), so it's still the better choice for me.
What are you running 24/7? Unless you're running full load non stop without a power limit, it shouldn't cost $100 more in bills.
$100 a year in current elec prices is like ~1kWh per day, which is a 24h ~42W draw. Seems plausible.
It might be but would require a never ending multi threaded workload like mining. If it's mostly idling then the difference would negligible. If it's a single threaded workload then it's possible the 7950X will end up costing more to run.
All workloads I intend to run are multithreaded.
I probably miscalculated that, I only expect the PC to be running with a decent load for approximately 3 hours per day, with a 100 watt difference between the 7950x (eco 105w) and 13900k. During times with lower load there will probably be a 25 watt difference (just a guess). So total daily power difference is 825w. For 1 year with $0.25/kwh prices that's $75 annual savings.
$950 in China. Still overpriced in Oz
Add GST?
GST.
China is not a tax-free country.
I think they’re testing the post rate rise/inflation market to see where their pricing sweet spot is.
I dont think you have the right picture.
intel power consumption can be signifcantly lowered if you try undervolt.
13900k @ 90W has similar performance to 12900k.
Also intel power consumption is not worse than AMD at all in light load and gaming, temp in light load and gaming is actually better on intel.
AMD only has advantage on full cpu load power consumption thanks to TSMC 5NM.
Unless you are running 100% full cpu load 24x7, intel may still be your better choice, especially if you try some undervolt or some bios settings.
Yeah, smells like scraping the barrel looking for reasons to justify a purchase.
if you read some in-depth review instead of the rubbish from hardware unboxed/linus/gamernexus, you may draw the same conclusions.
Huh? Not sure why you're replying with non-English links. Or replying at all, given my comment was already agreeing with you.
Please a review in English?
Also yes, it can be achieved with UNDERVOLTING, which is running the CPU out of spec. I would like to run my CPU within the manufacturer's spec, so I do not compromise the stability of my computer, even though the reduced stability may be insignificant.
Then might as well go one down.
The 13700k is about as fast as 12900k but also has better memory controller.
exactly.
AMD got spoilt over charging the 3 and 5 series CPU's and people still bought it all up for years, now over pricing is not working. Not releasing low end CPU's at lower prices is not working. If they made CPU's that was worth the upgrade at decent prices and motherboard manufacturers stayed around the $125 - $200 price range for a decent feature set MB, it would be selling like hot cakes. Even DDR5 prices are getting reasonable so can't blame ram prices now. It's just their rip off strategy failed this time around. These will be discounted heavily as X3D versions of their 7 series needing to be released sooner than their wanted to, to better compete against Intel. Finally consumers and competition will bring them down to Earth.
They're priced according to the market at time of release and the price is adjusted as new products are released?
There's been a further price drop, you will be able to get this CPU cheaper via scorptec ebay https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265981212957.
$985.15 regular, $964.41 ebay plus, $917 with targeted code, and further 3% cashback if you pay with ebay gift cards.
Back up to $1,181 on the eBay store
this is where the pricing should be for AM4 for people to jump onboard,
6 core CPU $300
motherboard $120
16GB memory $100