The Ethics of Discounts/Bargains/Deals - YouTube Creator

Linsane on 25/10/2022 - 14:38
Last edited 25/10/2022 - 15:10 by 1 other user

A quick thread, spurred on by recent discussion of Youtube Premium price increases in 3rd World countries.

I posted that I am a Youtube content creator, when people were discussing adblocking services for Youtube. I posted that as a small Youtube content creator, we don't get paid much for the hours worked, and that using an adblocking service instead of paying for (for example) even Youtube Premium in India or Turkey or something, is upsetting to me, as a creator.

It brought me to more of a general topic, what are the Ethical limits of getting a bargain? If it's a big company do you care? If it's a tiny shop would you take advantage of a price error?

If you use an ad blocker for Youtube do you feel at all guilty that the creators then aren't getting paid? Do you pay them in other ways like Patreon, YT membership or super thanks or something?

We have about 5k subs and get about 28,000 views a month, almost all from Australia, from our weekly ~30 minute Episodes. We are getting about $280 in income from YT a month, and have even dropped midroll ads from our content so our viewers don't cop any ads in the middle of the episode.

I guess I'm trying to understand why people feel like they shouldn't support small creators financially when they are consuming the content?

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    I don't care about creators. Ad blocker for me.
  • 268
    I pay for Youtube Premium in a cheaper country
  • 154
    I pay for Youtube Premium in Australia
  • 23
    I support content creators in other ways
  • 101
    I just watch the ads
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  • boomramada on 27/10/2022 - 12:45

    And I just avoid youtube much as possible. Hi Tiktok

  • stedmaster on 27/10/2022 - 12:48

    On mobile, you can run Youtube ad free without vanced using ublock origin extension inside Firefox android, it's just as good as the app.

    For those who only pay the cheaper country fee because they don't trust or want to use YouTube vanced or have modified dns.

    uBlock Origin is a lot better than adBlock even on pc or mac, it uses a lot less resources, it is the original.

  • outlander on 27/10/2022 - 12:53

    I never used to be one to pay for digital things if I could avoid it, but last year or two I've been actively trying to send money to the people who produce the stuff I like.
    Not much, only maybe $20 a month for the moment as I don't really earn enough to justify more, but its a start. It is hard though

    The most logical thing to me is a Pay-per-view type situation, where every page you visit might cost you a few cents. That way I'm not wasting my time on ads for things I have no interest in, and creators get paid. Funny thing is, google actually came up with a service like that, but it died because the big content creators aren't interested in nickels and dimes. They either want to spam everyone with ads (high volume, low return per user) or they want to target the whales (low volume, high return per user). I also could never get it to work properly

    If it could be made to work it would be much better. Most people don't think this way, but 30 seconds of ads is equal to 20cents of time at minimum wage, so you'd be better off paying 10c than watching an ad supported 'free' video

    • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 13:46
      -1

      It's up to Google to make sure their business is sustainable, not anyone else.

      If no one bought premium then they should try to make it more worthwhile. It likely having 4k exclusivity and more ads on the platform could incentivize more people to pay for it.

    • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:46

      Nope, its not an issue with Google/Youtube income. Google have done nothing to stop adblockers on Youtube itself and being a video platform they have one of the easiest and bulletproof ways to block ads.

      They simply have not made any changes because they don't care about users blocking ads at this point in time.

      Can I just remind you that Google themselves host a Youtube Adblocker and a Youtube sponsorblocker on their servers?

      Are you seriously saying that Google are going to host and enable access to something they don't want?

    • localhost on 27/10/2022 - 13:51
      +2

      Be honest, you want to block ads, get free content and you don't care how it impacts anyone else.

      and what's wrong with that?

      • insane on 27/10/2022 - 15:06
        -3

        It's selfish and shows that you have low ethical standards. If you wanna be like that, it's your choice, but at least acknowledge it for what it is.

        • localhost on 27/10/2022 - 15:26
          +3

          Nope, it's not selfish. It means bad content, not worth any money. Like cat videos.

          I do have access to torrents, but pay monthly to netflix/Dysney, etc.

          And if you think your content is worth more - present it to netflix/udemy, etc… and get well paid. Otherwise what you expect from free platform like YT?

          • insane on 27/10/2022 - 16:33
            -1

            @localhost: If YT is only bad content, then why do you watch it?

            I don't understand your argument.

            And YT isn't a "free" platform, it's an ad supported platform. Which you choose to circumvent.

            So again, it's you choosing to not pay for content you are consuming.

            Your argument is that the content is bad so you shouldn't have to pay.

            My argument is, if it's bad, then don't consume it, if you choose to consume it and block the ads, you have poor ethics.

            • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 16:45

              @insane:

              And YT isn't a "free" platform, it's an ad supported platform. Which you choose to circumvent.

              That's probably the best argument against adblockers. That the user is circumventing the way the media was intended to be consumed. But even with the amount of adblockers(however many they are) there's many creators are still finding it worthwhile to continue to upload videos.

            • localhost on 27/10/2022 - 17:12

              @insane: I don't even know what is your content, also using YT just for some music videos :)

              Next time will open YT without adblock, check your earnings….

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 15:04
      -2

      Exactly right.

      It's not victimless, if you watch any small content creators then they deserve to be paid something, via some means.

      The ethics of adblocking / pirating large businesses content is a bit muddier and doesn't feel as bad for me personally.

      Like, Metallica probably don't need a 3rd jet, so in their case I choose to pay them via YouTube Premium and them getting a cent or so from my play of their music, rather than buy merch or support them on Patreon etc.

      • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 15:07
        +2

        It's not victimless, if you watch any small content creators then they deserve to be paid something, via some means.

        Why is that?

      • dowhatuwant2 on 27/10/2022 - 15:37

        It's victimless in that whether they choose not to watch or to watch with an adblocker there is zero difference in the impact to the "creator".

      • Aneurism on 27/10/2022 - 22:36
        +3

        Smells like self appointed victimhood described by self absorbed narcissism and entitled bias views which package adversity into a group based opponent.

        If you start focusing less on those with adblockers and focus on high quality content that is entertaining, high value, informative and better than the competition then you won't need to worry about it.

        Also consider that if your content is of high value then there is a likelihood that those with adblockers might share to their friends or colleagues who might not be using those mechanisms. Focus more on what you can directly improve. Anything else is a waste of time.

        • insane on 27/10/2022 - 22:49
          -4

          Sounds like justification for stealing and making it the victims fault.

          • Aneurism on 28/10/2022 - 01:04
            +5

            @insane: All you have to do is point out who you are and what your channel is and I will happily avoid ever visiting or watching it (thereby ensuring you can never accuse me of stealing from you).

            It wouldn't surprise me if others did the same. In fact, I'm happy to add it to a youtube blocklist if that feature exists. That way I can never be accused of accidentally stumbling upon it.

            Until then, keep playing the victim whilst blaming everyone else for your own self made situation.

            • Willy Beamish on 28/10/2022 - 19:33
              +2

              @Aneurism: 4 pages he hasn't linked his channel once as far as I'm aware.

              Probably one of the channels that rips content from tiktok as a compilation and tries to monetize other peoples works.

              • insane on 01/11/2022 - 21:22
                -1

                @Willy Beamish: Yeah nah. One of the bigger Australian Travel channels actually.

    • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 04:29

      Youtube did just fine when it was free. In fact the company was sold for million$, in spite of it being free, and none of THAT money made it back to users, so why should mine? No one is jumping up and down over it. We couldn't care less if Youtube made it so ads cannot be skipped - and they CAN, yet they choose not to. When they do I'll leave. Whether I leave or stay uploaders lose nothing. Because I don't pay now, and I won't be paying if I'm not there. So it impacts NO-ONE.

  • ribenaboy on 27/10/2022 - 15:34

    Can ads be blocked when I cast a youtube video to chromecast?

    • Captain M on 27/10/2022 - 17:48

      Install a front end to YT on your device like newpipe. Then you can download YT videos, skip ads. Do what you want, including casting.

  • rlf on 27/10/2022 - 18:33
    +1

    YouTube "creators" are scum of the earth. No one cares about your poor plight. Get a real job.

  • huffboy on 27/10/2022 - 18:34
    +3

    go complain to google

  • digitalbath on 27/10/2022 - 19:08

    If I was working as much as you, and getting paid what you say you are, I would get another job.
    You say you would not do it for free, so you might as well give up now.

    • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 04:39
      +1

      Good point. It sounds like there's a business and Youtube views is extra income on top of that business. But if not… if Youtube is the entire income source of the "business"… that means they're collecting Newstart but making videos when they should be out looking for a real job, plus expecting us to watch ads to pay them so they don't have to! But we're the ones in the wrong… people using a legal plugin provided by Google/Chrome extension library. LOL.

      • insane on 28/10/2022 - 12:15
        -1

        Ethically in the wrong yes. And what the hell does this have to do with Newstart and getting a job?

        • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 20:43
          +2

          No, because if it was "wrong" Google etc wouldn't allow the extension. Because they've banned plenty of others that were. Which means it's perfectly fine/legal. Especially since big tech (Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, etc) all have a yearly meeting to discuss how to align, irritate, and censor users ala their group-think.

          As for Newstart/jobs, simple. No one can live on that amount. It's not even enough to pay rent let alone food. And it sounds like there's more than one "employee" in the "business." Which means if it's their "job" they'd all have to be collecting Newstart as well to get by. Unless they have another job… which makes their videos and "business" a side hustle - a hobby, not a job - unless of course they're busy wasting time on their hobby while at work. i.e. They don't get to claim everything in terms that favour them. The videos are either their main job, or it's a case of: "Well yeah, I do have another job, but I want Youtube to replace my job so I have an easy life and don't have to work much like everyone else does, and I want it RIGHT NOW WHAAAA!!!"

          Anyway back in the real world, the few $ they're missing out on isn't going to double their income. It probably wouldn't add even 5% because most people don't know what browser plugins are, let alone how to install one. If the last two years has taught us anything it's that most people are like compliant sheep… willing to follow, accept whatever default is handed to them (or taken away).

          It's all moot anyway because Youtube is out of control with their ads, and people with ad block installed aren't going to be shamed into being bombarded with excessive crap PLUS sponsorships in videos on top of that.

          NOTE: I installed "SponsorBlock for Youtube" which someone here mentioned. I used to manually slide past most of those. Now I don't have to. JUST BRILLIANT! And THAT is the result of bombarding us with ads, expecting to make money of videos a hundred other people are also doing, people become fed up and find ways to censor THEM for a change.

  • T3J on 27/10/2022 - 19:33
    +2

    I've paid for youtube premium for many years now mainly to make it a better experience for my parents an parents in law that all share my family plan, I dont give a rats about the creators, I just dont want to endure adverts. I forget what Youtube is with adds, occasionally i see it on work machines etc and it's a bit of a shock and awful. I add block everything I can and will do so as long as I can.

  • The Value on 27/10/2022 - 20:10
    +1

    Youtube Red since launch. Guilt free ad skipping for me.

    • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 04:41

      Youtube ad free when it was ad free.
      Then Youtube ad free since Youtube was sold.
      Guilt free ad skipping for me too. (Only I kept more of my money.) ;-D

  • c64 on 27/10/2022 - 20:38

    i block ads on youtube. you have to watch them up front and a lot of the time the content is junk. also the youtube interface is plain awful and inevitably it plays videos i didn't even mean to watch.

  • Aneurism on 27/10/2022 - 21:00
    +2

    "we don't get paid much for the hours worked, and that using an adblocking service instead of paying for (for example) even Youtube Premium in India or Turkey or something, is upsetting to me, as a creator."

    Perhaps you should have asked yourself why you 'CHOSE' to use the platform and invest your own time in it. Was it because you enjoy what you do or was it money grabbing endeavor? The truth that if you aren't producing the content, someone else probably will. You have chosen to enter a highly competitive zone in which you need to capture an audience attention. You choose to cast dispersions at those who value and proactively protect their own time. If the adblockers did not exist, the truth is they would probably view less content or seek a less intrusive platform to use instead. Be grateful to those who would watch your content even with an adblocker. Even though you might not be monetizing them, if they bother to watch your content, it actually helps you.

    "I guess I'm trying to understand why people feel like they shouldn't support small creators financially when they are consuming the content?"

    Perhaps you should shift your view and learn that people don't support small creators for the sake of it, but because they create useful content that can't be obtained anywhere else. If you are relying on the audience that turns on their adblocker for your income it means that your content isn't appealing enough the the wider population. The truth is that the average run of the mill content creator is nothing special and it is painful to trawl through recommended videos that are just full of reptitive uninformative regurgitation of low value.

  • cerealJay on 27/10/2022 - 21:29
    +11

    I don't care about creators. Ad blocker for me.

    What a loaded, twisted perspective.

    You're forgetting YouTube originally wasn't intended to be commercial television. There were no ads in the beginning. There were no needy greedy "content creators" demanding payment and uploading endless clickbait like there is now.

    Then ads came. A small ad off to the side, not on the video. Then overlay banner ads came, with tiny 'x' close buttons. Then pre-rolls came; then un-skippable pre-rolls, then mid-rolls! You talk of "ethics" but where's the ethics of progressive ad expansion, increasingly intrusive repetitive ads, placed on casual hobbyist content?

    Where's the ethics of forcing people to watch those ads before knowing if the video is worthwhile?

    If they project ads on the moon in the future, will you complain when people try to block that?

    If you want to get paid, then integrate the sponsored content into your videos rather than expecting viewers to sit through the same Big Mac pre-roll over and over.

    The platform has massive amounts of clickbait, spam and low quality repetition. This costs enormous amounts of money to host. The platform has a culture of needy creators pleading for likes and subscribes. Premium is a rip-off, because all that rubbish is hosted and encouraged by the ad model Google introduced. The ad company Google. Not the "video sharing" company.

    The ad model is flawed. Just because Google arranged ads in the way they did, and removed dislike numbers, and increased censorship, or any number of other actions, doesn't mean those decisions were handed down from the God of Ethics. Google is the last place to seek counsel on matters of ethics.

    So please don't assume the moral high-ground because you're a "youtube creator". Your content is likely worth at best one of those old banner ads off to the side, nothing more. If you get thrown a few coins in your hat via premium users or other ways such as patreon or your own sponsorship or e-commerce efforts, be grateful and stop whinging about adblockers!

    • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 05:08
      +1

      What Youtubers who whine about ad blockers don't think about is, if I like a video, I tell other people about it. I'll refer to it in other Youtube channel comments, often paste the URL, give a summary to interest other people, etc. So even though I'm using ad block, I'm also bringing in new subscribers who don't. So they may "lose" 5 cents from my view, but gain 20+ views from people my post brought in. Whether those new people subscribe or not is the CHANNEL'S fault. i.e. If the real issue here is their channel isn't growing, so they whine about ad block reducing income to deflect from stagnant subscriber numbers, that means their CONTENT or QUALITY OF is why they're not growing… not the 0.1% of subscribers running ad block.

      Pouting and stamping one's feet because they're used to getting most things, but not everything, their own way… is the behaviour of toddlers.

      • ozhunter on 28/10/2022 - 05:49

        So they may "lose" 5 cents from my view

        More like 1c/view on average for the OP. And that rate seems quite a bit higher than what most youtubers receive.

  • The Wololo Wombat on 27/10/2022 - 22:00

    I posted about this topic (similar) a few years ago

  • I Smell Pennies on 27/10/2022 - 23:56
    +2

    Hey OP, this post has probably come to light due to my posts recently on how to save money during inflation.

    I can see why the OzBargain community has come to this consensus as per the poll.

    But we had to watch ads, I’m sure we’d all go insane

    At the end of the day, we’re living in some tough times right now, and we all need to save money during these unprecedented times of inflation and higher spending worldwide. We also need to spare time where we can, and watching annoying ads is not productive.

    • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 05:18
      +1

      But we had to watch ads, I’m sure we’d all go insane

      Yep. There's just too many. I wouldn't care if it were one 30 second ad, say every 10 minutes. But it never is. As I posted above, I turned ad block off the other day, watched a 1m30s video, and got SEVEN ads, each at least 30 seconds each (3.5 minutes of ads for a 1.5m video, and I only limited it to that many by clicking "Skip Ads" twice)… AND then I saw an article saying Youtube plans to increase the number of ads. It's gotten ridiculous. Companies are never content, always have to have more. Well, I couldn't stand it so I turned ad block back on. So for shoving 7+ ads down my throat in 1.5 minutes, they now get nothing.

      • AustriaBargain on 28/10/2022 - 14:02

        I saw an 11 minute ad for Nutri-Grain once.

        • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 20:18

          :-O

  • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 23:56
    +1

    OP came off as "interested in other views" to reeking of entitlement. Reminds me of this https://www.insider.com/invadervie-twitch-streamer-video-sha…

    He still going to ignore the option of a paywall but then thinks he deserves payment. 🤷‍♂️ Wants the pros of youtube but not the cons.

  • haemolysis on 28/10/2022 - 01:02
    +3

    I think it’s important to note that it’s sometimes believed that content creation doesn’t bring in a lot of money, or that ad revenue is chump change, but in actual fact it’s very lucrative. Eyes on YouTube is like endless dollars rolling in.

    The problem is it just happens however that it’s revenue that is ….kept by YouTube… who give you pennies.

    You’re not “not” earning a lot of coin. You are. But you’re just earning coin for a corporation who is ripping you off, and making you feel like the viewers are your enemy.

    Youtube is a company which is increasingly hostile to it's creators and yet takes in billions. Be mad at them.

    • plmko on 28/10/2022 - 09:53
      +1

      Well said, don't let the mega corps gas light you into not seeing what's actually wrong here.

      TBH I used to watch ads. But Youtube has become extremely aggressive with double ads every 15minutes or a 20 sec ad on a 1 minute clip etc. So I've avoided them where possible.

  • kolorijo on 28/10/2022 - 07:24
    +1

    I'd pick "don't recommend channel' based on this OP

  • MrThing on 28/10/2022 - 08:14
    +1

    OP; wah

    "Content creator" rightio

    Adblocker erryday allday

  • Warchest on 28/10/2022 - 11:58
    +1

    Ublock Origin on all devices, all the time, everywhere.
    I would not like to use the internet without it.

  • DiscoJango on 28/10/2022 - 12:29
    +2

    I don’t care who you are, you could be a single mum on Centrelink, I’m blocking all ads at every opportunity I get

  • hasher22 on 28/10/2022 - 12:30
    +1

    I support creatives in any medium cause I am one myself.

    Does it hurt artists when people massively rip art off, can be in the form if product design, graphics, ad blockers, paintings, dessert creations, clay, Jewellery…. The list goes on.

    This is why the creative/art community gets picked on because theres no real stable money to be made as art, design and creative content can be and will be copied, replicated and redistributed.

    To also add that the creative world is vast and no everyone will like your content/art/design and so on. When there is a vast choice to consumers, the money will be spread out to those creatives. Though, is there a balance? From me studying YouTube monetisation, my answer is no. There's only a handful of successful YouTube creators, and I wonder how many living a modest life from it. Let's say earning 80k per year from it.

    With YouTube as a content creator, it's damn effing hard to get a following and I feel your pain, it's a grind to build your brand. Like with any creatives and creators, posting and building your brand is a risk, like starting a business….

    But with demand there comes innovation, people hate ads, that's why adblock exists but at the same time people are happy to watch ads to support their creator.

    The real question is, what steps are you doing to combat these hurdles in order for you to gain good coin from the platform? Can it be done? Or you're fighting a never ending battle?

    • ozhunter on 28/10/2022 - 14:07
      +2

      There's only a handful of successful YouTube creators, and I wonder how many living a modest life from it. Let's say earning 80k per year from it.

      Even if he only makes a few thousand, that's a nice chunk of change. I disagree with others saying it's just a hobby. If he can make a living out of it, good on him. His thinking that he deserves money for what he lets people watch for free is wrong imo.

      • hasher22 on 28/10/2022 - 15:31

        Oh agree for sure. You can def. make money from youtube and/or social media platforms (not so much instagram directly, alot of creators don't monetise from instgram directly, but they do from sponsorship/referral codes from companies etc).

        If OP can somehow figure out the balance between earning social media income vs the disadvantages (ad blockers, target audience eg. YouTube South Asian viewers will pay less than USA viewers etc…) then go for it.

        I wish OP the best cause the art world is hard to make good coin.

        But yes, ranting about ad blockers, finding a bargain on a bargain forum isn't going to go down so well for him. Maybe this forum post will get more constructive feedback on a youtube/universal social media forum if there is one.

        For example other creators will:
        - Sell merch
        - Get sponsorship
        - Get referral codes for products and get comission
        - Do collabs with bigger youtubers

        Easier said than done, but if OP can do this, he/she could potentially get a sale from a fan with adblock

      • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 20:54
        +3

        I disagree with others saying it's just a hobby. If he can make a living out of it, good on him

        Oh for sure… but it's not everyone else's responsibility, to make OUR life more miserable in any way, waste MY time watching inane adverts, so he can turn a hobby into a paying job. If he does it without me, great (and he'll have to).

  • kaleidoscope on 28/10/2022 - 13:56
    +2

    Have been using adblockers since first day I started using computers. Will never ever go back to not using an adblocker. I do occasional allows ads for sites I really like as long as the ads shown are not causing too much distraction or affecting the overall experience. YouTube is the worst with ads recently so mostly watching the content on pc/laptop where the adblockers work on it.

    Sorry OP, not really attacking you on a personal note here, but below is my opinion. If you are a content creator on YT, work towards providing better viewing experience for your viewers and get better at creating worthwhile content (that is achieved through content, not forced ads!!!). Because by then you will get a lot of sponsorships and supporters. This will take time and it should be as such with any other industry (not easy money through forced ads)

    While I do use adblockers, I do support few of my fav creators through Patreon and YT's own sponsorship program.

  • Cluster on 28/10/2022 - 14:19
    +4

    I pay for YouTube in Argentina. Have done so for years, and see no problem in doing so. Corporations are free to roam the planet looking for the cheapest tax domicile and lowest cost of production. What's wrong in me also doing the same and seeking a cheaper place to get a product? Nothing.

    • insane on 28/10/2022 - 15:48
      -4

      I've got no issue with it. I'd prefer people to be paying something for the content they are consuming.

      • AustriaBargain on 28/10/2022 - 20:19

        Just like and subscribe, it really helps with the algorithm.

      • Ashfield on 28/10/2022 - 22:20

        I’ll pay for that something, just don’t see paying for it on YouTube when it’s free (more like don’t care and won’t feel guilty either. I have YT premium tho).
        Why don’t you plug in your channel here and I’ll sub you if one only if I find it worth my TIME.

        Also if I watch your video it’ll be counted in your watched hours but doesn’t necessarily mean I like your content. It might just be that I’m trying to get a taste of you content. So when you say you have x amount of hours in views don’t mean anything. Unless of course they are the same viewers on every video.

  • foxpants on 28/10/2022 - 14:38
    +1

    Options not comprehensive enough, I use an adblocker, I care about content creators, I support them in other ways.

    No option really covers me on that.

    • insane on 28/10/2022 - 15:48

      Just click the "I support creators in other ways" option

  • gmatht on 28/10/2022 - 17:13

    Well, Google slapped ads all over my videos, but I am not big enough to be a YouTube Partner so I never got a cent. I don't personally care.

  • fatpizza on 28/10/2022 - 18:39

    If they had a cheap version of premium that didn't include all the fluff like youtube music then I'd probably go for that. And I'm not going to go out of my way to use a VPN to get a cheaper subscription etc.
    Until then it's ad blocking for me.

  • aveeno bb on 28/10/2022 - 20:14
    +1

    If you are not making enough money as a Youtube creater, I think you need to get a new job.

  • Ozbargainlyf on 28/10/2022 - 20:39
    +4

    You are delusional if you think your content is automatically worth something just because you spent time on it.

    Why don’t you reverse the situation; would I pay you $0.50 to watch your video? No. So why would i care you didn’t get $0.50 per view of it. Monetise your channel another way. I don’t personally use an adblocker or premium but i sure as shit would for your channel if that’s your sense of entitlement. If I think your content is great, I’d buy supporting gear.

  • PurchaseAnxiety on 28/10/2022 - 22:08

    I pay for YT premium through a cheaper country. I subscribe to a theory that I read on here a while back: these giant companies will find any loophole to save a buck, so I don’t feel bad as a lone consumer doing the same thing (paraphrasing). I’ve seen some say that we’re driving up prices in poorer countries, but I highly doubt the number of users is large enough to have that kind of impact.

    As for your plight OP, it sounds like you’re a modern day staving artist. Ad blockers are doing you no favours, but the unfortunate reality is that you’re never going to convince people to revert to the over bloated ad fest that is the modern web, and you will have to work around that.

    Also, $280 for 28k views is actually more than I would have expected. But maybe that’s just me.

    • [Deactivated] on 29/10/2022 - 02:14

      these giant companies will find any loophole to save a buck, so I don’t feel bad as a lone consumer doing the same thing

      Ad block (and my newfound SponsorBlock) is a loophole that saves every buck. ;-D

  • Ashfield on 28/10/2022 - 22:15
    +2

    Why not sell your content to platforms like Netflix or Stan or something like that. You’ll get paid for what you have done.

    I pay for YT premium and have adblocker as well. Best of both worlds.

    You are being unreasonable thinking if you have made content you are entitled to get paid from your viewers when you have given your content to YouTube. it is a free platform. Once you post something there it’s free for consumption. And people will consume however they see fit. People pay money for the product (content, in your case) for which they see value. By installing adblocker I’m supporting the creators of that adblocker.

    Think of YouTube as a street library. You put the books in there for anyone to read. Would you expect the reader to pay for the book which they got off the street library? I think not.
    However, if I like the writer I’ll look up their other
    books and buy those only if they interest me.

    • insane on 29/10/2022 - 13:30
      -2

      YT is not a free platform, it is an advertising supported platform.

      • Ashfield on 29/10/2022 - 14:21
        +2

        In other words free for the consumers.
        Do you pay for free to air TV? That is also as supported I reckon.

        Still waiting for the link to your channel though. I’d give you a sub if your content is worth this post

        • Willy Beamish on 29/10/2022 - 15:23
          +2

          Won't ever link his channel, most likely also fibbing about the money/view ratio as well

      • Prong on 01/11/2022 - 13:31

        Late to the party, but this is an interesting topic.

        YouTube is more complex than just an ad supported platform.

        Their stance on ad blockers is well known - it's a platform that creates value (for Alphabet) through ads, subscriptions, and user data.

        There is no point being annoyed at users for a behaviour that YouTube allows. It's a known, inherent part of the platform, and you get to choose if you want to partake or not. There is not really much point being annoyed at mass human behaviour either, since most of it is biologically driven.

        From a technical front, YouTube can bypass ad blockers by putting the ads as part of the main video stream. At very best ad blockers would give a black screen during the ad, but would have no way to skip it. There would be no way to bypass this.

        So why doesn't YouTube do this, or other methods of combating ad blockers? Why doesn't Google restrict ad blockers in Chrome?

        Because they have done the research, and users who use ad blockers are worth more than the savings from stopping them accessing content. This is a pretty common theme in research into piracy. It is generally better overall to have your content in front of more eyes, than try and fight against piracy.

        Mass humans psychology in this sort of regard is also fairly well known. External to their own small social group, for humans 'morals' doesn't really come into it - people mostly care about convenience.

        For Google (Alphabet), it is even more complex, because user data has value to them. Ultimately Google doesn't want to annoy people with ads. The end goal for advertising is to only ever serve ads for things that people actually want to see and buy. No one minds an 'ad' if it clues you in on a great deal on that thing or service you were needing to spend money on anyway. Advertising in its ultimate form is win win. User data from both those who do and do not use ad blockers is just as important to achieving this sort of goal.

        There's a strong argument to made that in general our whole capitalist, growth orientated culture creates all sorts of opportunities for people to be exploited for profit. If everyone on Earth could suddenly adhere to the same moral code and create true equality, then perhaps a 'fair' version of YouTube might be possible.

        A world of equality would give an increase in the standard of living for the majority of people, but for most of us here in Australia it would mean giving up a lot of what we love. I have no doubt that YouTube could survive in some form, but there would not necessarily be a market for a lot of current content creators.

        It's an interesting problem to ponder for sure, and I suspect one that won't change until high level automation is widespread and we collectively move away from a growth economy.

  • helpme on 29/10/2022 - 09:24
    +1

    https://youtu.be/aLW8WEwhg5w

  • iguana on 29/10/2022 - 16:02
    +2

    Why don't you get a real job? Are you really producing content that isn't available anywhere else? If you are truly providing a service that is valuable then you would be able to monetise other aspects of your channel and not rely on YouTube selling ads on it.

  • kachi on 29/10/2022 - 17:02

    Its part of the work, how can you force people to not use adblock anyway in this day? You can suggest it in a friendly manner and how it affects you but you cant force someone to not use adblock…
    I have watched some YouTubers mention this in an understanding and friendly manner and it does work. Your viewers who continually appreciate and watch your work will remove adblock if they believe it is worth it for them.

    Its like with photographers or artists who post their work online, of course there are many many people who will repost their work and not give them credit or acknowledge/steal it as their own even if there is a note on the original source not to do this…but you cant really stop it.

    Are you really going to waste your time chasing up on these people (like messaging them one by one)?? Your time is better spent elsewhere - working on your craft to bring in more and more viewers which will increase the percentage in likely income flow.

    For discounts, bargains or deals in relation to a service or product, isn't it the business' choice whether or not they give that deal? I understand both sides, being a tiny creator I am happy to give promotions when I can, and it is entirely my choice anyway.

  • DrScavenger on 29/10/2022 - 18:03
    +2

    Holy hell OZB can be so toxic

  • hopper on 29/10/2022 - 20:22

    What difference does it make for OP of I get premium in Australia or other country? Well they get any cut?
    Also is OP happy to watch ads when he watches other videos on YouTube?

    • insane on 01/11/2022 - 21:16
      -1

      Obviously the cut would be less from a 3rd world country, your Premium money is lower, and then divided across whatever you watch. But Personally? As long as you are paying Something to me for watching my content, I'm happy.

      • ozhunter on 03/11/2022 - 19:07

        As long as you are paying Something to me for watching my content, I'm happy.

        Did you know that even if you don't use an adblocker, it's not guaranteed that an ad will show on your video.

  • Ilikeozbargain on 29/10/2022 - 20:45

    "I guess I'm trying to understand why people feel like they shouldn't support small creators financially when they are consuming the content?"

    I think there's a very simple solution:

    If you don't think it's worth it financially to keep creating content then don't do it.

    You shouldn't expect consumers to pay for your content if at the end of the day if there is option not to (consumers are self interested at the end of the day).

  • Blitzfx on 30/10/2022 - 01:38
    -2

    Disregarding every comment here, the one thing you should learn very quickly is that MONEY has no ethics, no morals or any sense of what is right or wrong.

    Therefore you can always expect your viewers to be unaustralian and not give you a fair go. I would have expected you to know this seeing as you're running a business.

    After you throw out your emotions, you'll quickly realise that you can never blame how your audience behaves and therefore should focus on playing the game and stop wasting time on this moral quandary.

    Obviously 99% of people know that the right thing to do is support you and watch the ads but they just don't, so I think you should stop wasting your time looking for positive validation.

  • vinnychase on 30/10/2022 - 10:24
    +1

    Look mate. YouTube is a for profit company. You seem to be a for profit YouTuber. YouTube makes money by showing ads on people’s videos and despite ad blockers they seem to be doing fine. You on the other hand don’t seem to be doing fine. A solution to your problem could be to partner up with some business and plug them in your videos. E.g. Amazon affiliates, udemy, d brand lol anything

  • tessel on 30/10/2022 - 12:27

    You are doing it wrong. Your goal should be to build a following who is willing to pay. There's a book/podcast on the idea but basically your goal is to build a following who will pay for next and other stuff that are loyal to you. The idea is to aim for 1000 of these people who would spend $1000 a year on merch and other products. Hopefully you get the idea.

  • mrvaluepack on 30/10/2022 - 19:23

    OP please share you channel. Based on your comments, I'm really interested to see your "entitled" content and whether it was worth the fuss you are making lol.

  • Smank on 30/10/2022 - 21:39
    +1

    What a strange thread.

    I have no love for op's attitude. That being said, a bunch of users bragging about how they block ads and literally pay/provide nothing in return for free content, telling op they are entitled? What??

    I've certainly pirated content and used ad blockers in my life but can at least be honest with myself that it's a shit thing to do.

    I wouldn't judge anyone for doing the same but being proud and "entitled" to watch content for free without ads is a really gross attitude.

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