The Ethics of Discounts/Bargains/Deals - YouTube Creator

Linsane on 25/10/2022 - 14:38
Last edited 25/10/2022 - 15:10 by 1 other user

A quick thread, spurred on by recent discussion of Youtube Premium price increases in 3rd World countries.

I posted that I am a Youtube content creator, when people were discussing adblocking services for Youtube. I posted that as a small Youtube content creator, we don't get paid much for the hours worked, and that using an adblocking service instead of paying for (for example) even Youtube Premium in India or Turkey or something, is upsetting to me, as a creator.

It brought me to more of a general topic, what are the Ethical limits of getting a bargain? If it's a big company do you care? If it's a tiny shop would you take advantage of a price error?

If you use an ad blocker for Youtube do you feel at all guilty that the creators then aren't getting paid? Do you pay them in other ways like Patreon, YT membership or super thanks or something?

We have about 5k subs and get about 28,000 views a month, almost all from Australia, from our weekly ~30 minute Episodes. We are getting about $280 in income from YT a month, and have even dropped midroll ads from our content so our viewers don't cop any ads in the middle of the episode.

I guess I'm trying to understand why people feel like they shouldn't support small creators financially when they are consuming the content?

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    I don't care about creators. Ad blocker for me.
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    I pay for Youtube Premium in a cheaper country
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    I pay for Youtube Premium in Australia
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    I support content creators in other ways
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    I just watch the ads
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      • Guybrush57 on 30/10/2022 - 19:42

        OK then. Put your money where your mouth is. If you think your content has value then link it here for us to judge.

  • mrvaluepack on 26/10/2022 - 13:09
    +1

    You should watch MrBeast's interviews on what drove him and how he got so big so fast. I'll give you a clue, one of them WASN'T whining about ad-blockers.

  • altitudinous on 26/10/2022 - 13:11
    +1

    I make money from advertising also. I don't care about blockers. My income is probably affected by them, but there isn't anything I can do so why worry, I just increase my audience instead and diversify to other income sources other than advertising.

    I recommend you get more viewers rather than blame blockers.

    Australian views pay little $ in my experience, can you get USA views. 80% of my audience is USA.

    I equate ad blockers to freedom of speech - freedom of speech says you can say what you want but nobody has to listen to you, similarly advertisers can say what they want and blockers enable you to not listen.

    You need to increase your number of viewers. The problem is yours.

  • DingoBilly on 26/10/2022 - 13:12

    Why would I feel guilty?

    It's up to the creators to design a business and make it profitable for themselves. If they can't make it profitable, they need to think of a new business design/try something else. More risk = generally more reward vs. people who take a more traditional role and have a stable role that may not make them millionaires or be a happy job, but it is what it is.

    If I could pirate/skip paying for coffee/cars/food etc. then I'd do the same.

    My job is not to take care of businesses but to take care of myself and family at end of day.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:33
      -1

      At least you are honest about it and not pulling some BS justifications out of your rear end!

  • Blargman2001 on 26/10/2022 - 13:14
    +2

    I'm so surprised that so many people on Ozbargain think content creators are not worthy of being reimbursed, even if it's just a few cents. Sure there's plenty of crap, but they don't get monetised until they reach a certain amount of views or subscribers anyway so rubbish to you may be gold to someone else. If a video has 100k views it's interesting to someone right? If you're watching it , then it must be of some interest to you? If I made something as a hobby and put it out on Facebook marketplace I wouldn't give it away for free, most YouTube creators only do what they do because of the possibility of receiving some reimbursement. Even Netflix has rubbish indie content with production values that are hardly better than some stuff on YouTube but they still get paid.

    • samfisher5986 on 26/10/2022 - 14:21
      +1

      Your entire understanding of people is flawed.

      I would say most people create things or content without any plan to make money.

      You are making an assumption that something interesting or popular has to be turned into a business which is ridiculous.

      You'll find most Youtuber creators don't get paid for their videos and there was a time when nobody was getting paid.

      Youtube promotes popular content creators which can lead to you believing you are in a bubble where everyone is doing it for money. This is not the case.

  • Doobies on 26/10/2022 - 13:47

    Curious, does YT report content creators to the ATO, or do you self declare the income?

    • samfisher5986 on 26/10/2022 - 14:22

      Google has an Australian side of their business which basically means yes, the ATO will know.

      • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:37
        -1

        I'm not 100% on this, some payments come from Google asia pacific and some from Google Ireland.

        • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:39

          The payment location doesn't change the fact that they need to report it to the ATO though.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:36
      -1

      We self declare, not sure if it auto fills from Google or not.

      At this level, our expenses of making the content exceeds the remuneration anyway, so we don't make profit on YT and don't pay income tax on it.

  • misu p on 26/10/2022 - 13:57

    I pay for YT premium in Australia, I am a little annoyed about the fact that I still have to watch sponsor ads. I wish that would go away but I understand why it is done. I did look at Floatplane but they are a little too expensive for my taste.

    I am actually up for paying for a lot of other things… I stopped believing in free tiers after some services that were free went away and I cannot find good alternatives. There are a few subscriptions that I pay for (even though there is a good enough free tier) just because I get a lot of value from them. It would take a lot more time for me to find an alternative… figure out the differences …. adapt to them, etc.

    • ozhunter on 26/10/2022 - 14:04

      Floatplane

      There's only 21 channels on there. https://imgur.com/a/zq1BTBI

      • misu p on 27/10/2022 - 08:32

        they are some of the creators that I enjoy watching.

    • samfisher5986 on 26/10/2022 - 14:23

      Just use sponsorblock and you won't have to see sponsor ads.

    • KaTst3R on 26/10/2022 - 21:40

      Dont you love the Nord VPN shoutouts in the actual video content itself.

  • Raj09 on 26/10/2022 - 14:04

    I would be OK with the ads but Google keeps shoving them in videos and the cut that creators get keeps dwindling. I'm not talking about the demonetization of some creators as well.

    I prefer paying straight away through PayPal or patreon

    • samfisher5986 on 26/10/2022 - 14:24

      Not sure I agree exactly, Youtube income for content creators is miles ahead of any other content creation platform.

      • Raj09 on 26/10/2022 - 14:40

        Yep I don't think I'm doing the best. Not sure if youtube premium is a better choice

  • Daddy Chill on 26/10/2022 - 14:42
    +4

    Dis guy thought he would get support but he got fisted. Are you OK?

    • CocaKoala on 27/10/2022 - 11:05
      +1

      thought he would get support but he got fisted.

      Sorry, I will be stealing this line. 😅

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 12:48
      -2

      I'm fine thanks!

      Just amazed at how many people who consume content don't believe that it has any monetary value, and it should be created for free for them to consume.

      • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 13:02
        +1

        and it should be created for free for them to consume.

        Does anyone think this? Or they think just because someone created something it doesn't mean it has monetary value.

        You seem to be taking this personally instead of just wanting to know how the community feels about ads.

        Might have missed it but you never said why you don't make your channel for members only.

      • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:41
        +1

        You'll find those same people will pay for paid content. You seem to have an issue with how you deal with your content.

      • CocaKoala on 27/10/2022 - 14:23

        It's the other way round. Just because you've uploaded something on youtube it doesn't mean it has a monetary value. The ultimate test to verify this would be to put your content behind a paid membership or so. If your content were valuable enough to me then I suppose I will pay for a "membership only" option to your channel or pay on patreon or something else similar.

        I have a premium youtube subscription and let us say I am consuming content that you upload, but if that weren't an option I would most definitely be blocking ads through whatever means available to me.

        Watching advertisements is not an option for me.

      • Quantumcat on 27/10/2022 - 15:42
        +3

        You've chosen to allow people to consume it for free. It is illogical to get mad at them for doing what you allowed them to do.

        Put it behind a paywall. If nobody subscribes, then you've got your answer - your content isn't worth paying for. If you believe your content is worth paying for then make people pay for it. Put your money where your mouth is.

      • Aneurism on 29/10/2022 - 01:11
        +1

        I'm amazed you still haven't figured out the simple concept that you should look to adjust your business model, not change the actions of the people that choose to spend time watching what you produce.

        One of them might be because they don't want to waste time watching their own ads whilst they are looking for someone to potentially sponsor.

  • tehsnrub on 26/10/2022 - 14:45
    +1

    I use Patreon and limit myself to 5 channels up to the YouTube premium fee.
    I pay for (good) independent journalism, Office 365, cloud storage… selectively turn off ad-blocking on websites I support.

    I would also let YouTube play 2x 5 second skippable adverts knowing some of the revenue made its way to creators, but since the multiple 15s unskippable adverts came in plus the insane amounts of Sponsor content, I started blocking ads.

    As of 2 weeks ago, I use SmartTube and Sponsorblock.

  • Willy Beamish on 26/10/2022 - 15:24
    +5

    If you're making youtube videos to make money then you're doing it wrong.

    Make videos because you want to make videos.

    You're basically mowing someone's lawn without asking them if they wanted it mowed and then expecting them to pay you for it.

    No one hired you.

    • CandyMan on 27/10/2022 - 09:14

      Many YouTubers make millions and have PR companies behind them. They PR companies publicise them, get huge deals to endorse products, etc, etc…

      Then kids/youth sit like zombies for hours watching these videos so that they can get a few cents out of each click.

      Just pick a famous YouTube and do a google search to find which company is behind them.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 12:49
      -5

      If you click on the video, you are asking for your lawn to be mown.

      You are choosing to consume the content that was created.

      • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:41
        +4

        Clicking the internet is like looking around with your eyes, its a ridiculous concept that you want people to pay based on where they click their mouse.

      • localhost on 27/10/2022 - 13:43
        +3

        What if content is not worthy? Who can set the price?

        If you think you have a genuine content, why not sign exclusive contract with big labels?
        Until that, your content is not different to cat videos.

      • Willy Beamish on 27/10/2022 - 17:26
        +2

        Ah so just like if you go into a shop you must buy everything in that shop.

        Entitled much.

        Like I said earlier, make videos because you want to make videos, not because you want to make money. If you're making content people actually want to watch you will eventually make money.

        Settle down on the clickbait titles and misleading/sexually suggestive thumbnails and focus on the content, not the money.

        • insane on 27/10/2022 - 17:30
          -2

          Just the things that you purchase (watch) right?

          • Willy Beamish on 27/10/2022 - 17:33
            +3

            @insane: Are you trying to convince your job seeker case worker that your youtube channel is a job or something? Strange the attitude and entitlement you have. Have you linked your channel anywhere in this thread or is there something you don't want us to see?

  • CrypticM on 26/10/2022 - 15:27
    +5

    You have strong sense of entitlement. Nobody owes no one. Will you compensate for time lost, if I don't like your video?

    It's your job to create a watchable content..if you can't, it's not for you and get another job.

    Everyone thinks they take great pictures/videos or they are great singers..but that's just your entitled opinionand they may be horrible or great, public will be judge of that and treat accordingly.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/10/2022 - 03:49
      +4

      Agreed. It's like a busker who thinks because he learned to play then performs on a public street, everyone who glances at him and doesn't toss a gold coin into his open guitar case are thieves. Nobody invited him into the public square in the first place. Even if they do pause and listen (click on his videos) they owe him nothing. In fact if he were genuinely good he'd be in a successful band (not on Youtube, but on TV or their own subscriber-only website).

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 12:50
      -4

      160 hours of my content being consumed a day would show that people are in fact, enjoying my content, no?

      • CrypticM on 27/10/2022 - 15:20
        +2

        Why not more vuews like other subscribers? That means your content is Inferior to majority of the youtubers,no?

        Again…serious entitlement.

        • insane on 27/10/2022 - 17:31
          -4

          What has that at all got to do with "paying" for the content you are consuming by either watching the ads or paying for Premium?

          • CrypticM on 27/10/2022 - 23:44
            +1

            @insane: How about stop making content if you are not happy with it rather than blaming world for your stupidity. Stop it, it's simple. I will watch it whichever way I want because you shoved that app in my mobile..simple.

      • Quantumcat on 27/10/2022 - 15:52
        +1

        No, it just means that out of all the billions of hours of free content available, yours is OK and at least some people will continue watching after the first few seconds.

        If someone is giving away free t-shirts with company logos at a conference I'll be sure to grab one, but I'd never pay for one (if I was going to pay I'd get plain white t-shirts, not advertise a company and pay for the privilege).

        If someone is giving away food (like the tacos today or the ice creams the other week) I would be sure to try some, but if it isn't a flavour I know I like, and I am not actually wanting a meal or snack at that moment, I wouldn't pay for it.

        If someone is giving away stuff in my Buy Nothing group, I'll put my hand up for it if there's only a small chance I might use it, or if it is kids stuff, before finding out if any of the kids in my life will want it. If they don't want it, no biggie I'll just regift it. But if I have to pay, I would not get it unless I was sure they wanted it and also if it was good enough to be part of a birthday or Christmas present. I wouldn't bother going to collect something crappy for $5

        People consuming your content when it is free does not automatically mean that they would or should pay for it. That's a separate thing.

  • smartazz104 on 26/10/2022 - 16:42
    +2

    what are the Ethical limits of getting a bargain?

    This is a site where people will jump on every pricing error and then whinge endlessly when they can’t get a PC monitor for $10, because they feel entitled.

  • Jase_ on 26/10/2022 - 18:23
    +1

    Also a content creator with about double the traffic and half the revenue.
    Honestly, I don't care that much because YT is a passion project and side income. All I care is that my out of pocket gets covered as well as making a tiny bit of scratch on the side.

  • s1Lence on 26/10/2022 - 19:47
    +1

    imagine wasting your limited time on this planet to watch advertisements of some mindless consoomer bs
    anyway, back to scrolling through ozbargain

  • Aureus on 26/10/2022 - 20:19
    +1

    Ad blockers have been part of the equation since Google first added ads to the platform.

    Creators complaining about it now is like the family that moves next to the bar and then complains about all the noise.

  • serpserpserp on 26/10/2022 - 20:23
    +1

    OP you going to plug your content or not?

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 12:52
      -5

      Nope I'm good. Don't need any extra traffic. Purely interested in how people are justifying their crap ethics around adblockers.

      Thankfully not everyone is like a lot of the commenters here.

      • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:50
        +2

        I feel like now is a good time to remind you that Google hosts Youtube ad blockers and sponsor blockers in their own web browser…

        Seems like Google are supporting our opinion, not yours.

        • hopper on 27/10/2022 - 16:03

          Lol

      • hopper on 27/10/2022 - 16:04

        Username checksout

  • monsterartist on 26/10/2022 - 20:31

    I subscribe to some creators Patreon's - however It's only a few smaller ones who make high cost content with low-mid sub counts.

    Most of the time I just use an adblocker. I don't feel particularly good about it - honestly I think they do deserve to be paid and in this case an ad blocker is just convenient and relatively easy to justify in my head, despite the obvious fact using it conflicts with my ideals.

  • RefusdClassification on 26/10/2022 - 21:29

    You should support Communism. Under Communism artists and creators get treated the same way as any other worker; they aren't dependent upon the "Free Market" to survive.

    Youtube favors rent seekers, huge corporations that own vast amounts of intellectual property that will never expire due to legislation passed to benefit them. That's why I use Ad Blockers; to stop these greedy corporate capitalists from making money off me.

  • [Deactivated] on 26/10/2022 - 21:32
    +1

    I reject the entire concept of ads. Annoying many for the tiny fraction of people that might be interested is not a model I support.

    As for up and coming creators, it's like any type of fame. You're taking the risk that you might become big one day, and will then rake in the money. Of course most will fail.

    I don't want to compromise on my ads stance just to give a few cents to people that will likely fail, but could one day become super rich. That's the choice they make. That's the choice I make.

  • KaTst3R on 26/10/2022 - 21:38
    +2

    If you are doing content creation for the sake of making a living then it is the wrong approach.

    Do Youtube for the love of sharing what you love. Then money will come after. It is just like a musician starting up, there is no way they can make a living at the start and need a proper job to ride through the start of the music career. Then at some point when your hobby makes you the same amount as your main job, that's when you can make that big decision to go full time.

  • 91rs on 26/10/2022 - 21:58

    I don't always view YouTubers (the term content creators just screams OF these days) as individuals I see them more under the huge all encompassing umbrella of Google / YouTube.
    Given what fingers they (and others like fb etc) have in many aspects of my data (which I try limit the best possible) I know they're making money out of me and pushing advertising to me me based on that stuff already, let's face it its about Google making a profit not the Youtuber.
    So I use ad blockers and refuse to pay for YT Premium, especially as premium isn't even 100% ad free.

    If a Youtuber is good enough then sometimes I'd support them in other ways, like a couple comedy or similar podcasts, I will buy tickets or merch or whatever and share those links to others who I know may enjoy it and do the same. The profit in tickets or merch would be far more than the fractions of a cent (if that) they'd get from me watching a podcast or show once every week or so.

    There is also no real barrier to entry and just huge amounts of crap out there, like those who make "best clips" or similar videos and then try narrate things that don't need it so they can scam off keywords & other YouTubers videos for views to try make money, it gets in the way of accurate search and better suggestions.

    I also hate advertising, like everywhere. We're over exposed to advertising everywhere and I'd have a lot of it removed if possible just so I don't have to see or hear it.

  • galateric on 26/10/2022 - 22:31
    +1

    No ethical dilemma blocking unsolicited adds.

    Your either making content because you love making content or your making content for the sake of making money. From the numbers you have mentioned you're better of working at maccas you will get paid more

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 16:29
      -2

      Surely by clicking to watch the video you are soliciting the ads though?

  • Mumbles on 26/10/2022 - 23:11
    +2

    I find the OP's attitude a turn off. The perspective that YouTube is a platform for profiting small creators is misguided AND OUTDATED. Google and Adsense have been making it harder and harder to make a living. As far back as a decade ago heaps of YouTube content creators have been protesting and shutting down their channels or reducing content.

    Have a look at how the most profitable earners do it. They don't rely on the pitance from Google. They seek their own sponsors and include their own ads, product placement, product endorsements, merchandise, etc.

    • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 10:08

      Youtube can be very profitable with just ads though, the issue is that Youtube's algorithm favours the big guys so the rich get richer, and those with low views stay that way.

  • localhost on 26/10/2022 - 23:27

    Working 12h to make $280… no thanks. Better drive Uber.
    O-o-o-h, you will get famous one day… you and other 10 million creators on YT.
    This ship sailed away long ago.

    I am using ad blocker all the time, but If I know: from this ad creator will get $1 and Google will get 10c - it's OK for me. Unfortunately it's opposite.

  • 2025 on 27/10/2022 - 00:45

    I am always happy paying for things I get value from. Yt being one of them.

  • Hoolio on 27/10/2022 - 02:52

    YouTube has created a positive feedback cycle of increasingly intrusive advertisements which had led to more people circumventing ads, which had led to more ads, again leading to more circumvention. I used to tolerate ads but currently YouTube is completely unusable without an adblocker. I would consider supporting a creator I value greatly with an indirect method (e.g. donations or patreon) but by and large consume YouTube content without paying. We are of course still exposed to embedded ads within the video content.

    Going back to your original question, I don't think your channel has enough subscribers and views to be financially 'viable' as a source of income. So, either commit to further growth and accept the shortfall, or give up on the channel as a source of revenue and accept that it's a hobby.

  • [Deactivated] on 27/10/2022 - 03:35
    +2

    as a small Youtube content creator, we don't get paid much for the hours worked

    Nonsense. You get paid based on the number of subs who view, not hours worked. Double your subs you double your income. Including on work you did weeks/months/years ago, which only "cost" you once, but generates income every time a new subscriber goes back through your old videos, forevermore.

    and that using an adblocking service instead of paying for (for example) even Youtube Premium in India or Turkey or something, is upsetting to me, as a creator.

    Boo hoo. So people "cheating" Youtube by spoofing a fake location is ok with you, but "cheating" you isn't? LOL.

    Youtube originally didn't have ads, I saw the other day they're going to insert even more ads, and the Google (and its clones) browser framework changes in January to disable ad blockers (unless you use a browser like Firefox that continues using the current framework). I detest ads, shouldn't be forced to view them, and if I had to, I wouldn't watch because there's far too many. On a TV I can turn the volume off. But Youtube ads interrupt at the most annoying of times, right in the middle of words, and concepts, and when the video finally returns you've "lost your place." You can't even leave a video on play, get up and go wash the dishes while still listening, because some ads move onto another, and another, forever wasting my data quota until I come back and click "Skip Ads." So on Youtube you either use an ad blocker or must sit through their brainwashing. So as long as there's ways to get rid of all that crap people will use them.

    It brought me to more of a general topic, what are the Ethical limits of getting a bargain? If it's a big company do you care? If it's a tiny shop would you take advantage of a price error?

    It's the stores choice if they honor a price error or not. Would I take a bargain that seems too cheap to the cash register? You bet I would, WHO WOULDN'T!? How are we to know for certain if something is a price error or not. I recall a deal on here for a Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse from Officeworks for just $1. Are we supposed to say, "Gee that seems too cheap. I'll have to cheat myself out of a deal by not buying that, in case they made an error."

    If you use an ad blocker for Youtube do you feel at all guilty that the creators then aren't getting paid?

    Not even slightly. Until Youtube finds a way to force everyone to watch ads or pay, they have no right to my money. If "content creators" don't like it they can stop making money from their hobby and go dig ditches, drive Uber, or set up their own website and charge membership fees. But they don't because they know they'd get a fraction out on their own. So they need to stop complaining about the few % they're "missing out" on.

    Do you pay them in other ways like Patreon, YT membership or super thanks or something?

    Nope, never have, never will. Youtube began as free. Just because some business later decided to buy and start flooding ads doesn't mean I have to tolerate it, and I didn't - I stopped using Youtube. Then I heard about ad blocker plugins and came back. So no-one "lost" anything. If I had to view ads I wouldn't be viewing.

    Now if Youtube inserted just one ad, 30 seconds max, at the start or end (or maybe even one at each ends I might not be so determined to install ad blockers. But as long as they keep interrupting videos, smack in the middle of some bit I didn't want to miss, multiple times… they can get stuffed.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:03
      -1

      So why don't you just pay for YouTube Premium and have the best if both worlds? No ads and support creators?

      • CocaKoala on 27/10/2022 - 16:45
        +1

        Don't know about others here but I personally have YouTube premium not to support creators but purely to avoid the inconvenience of advertisements. If that supports creators, so be it but if Google decides they will not pay uploaders for view time from premium users I'll remain indifferent about that.

        It's up to the "creators" to support themselves like everyone else in the world.

      • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 03:15

        My reasons above cover that, even though they weren't directly in answer to it. Youtube used to be free; inserts too many ads; brought so many ads in I left; then I stumbled on plugins to kill the ads so I returned; they're now planning to inject even more ads.

        Actually it was a side effect of searching for a way to get rid of some Gumtree ads. I have a laptop, was viewing Gumtree, and some new ads filled the screen so much I could read literally only a line or two of text in listings. I knew from years ago there were plugins to kill ad banners, so I searched, found and tried some ad blocker extensions, and all their crapola disappeared opening my screen up plus I realised what a HEADACHE it had been trying to use their site.

        A while later I clicked a link in some article that opened Youtube, noticed some ads were missing there too. So I wondered… "Is there a plugin to kill VIDEO ads too?" I searched for "Youtube ad…" … and it filled in "… blocker", so I clicked it, installed, and was shocked when it killed ALL ads.

        They're not losing money from me. If they ever find a way to force ads I'll just leave again. Elon Musk just gave a "wink" to someone suggesting Twitter add long form videos to the platform, rather than linking to Youtube. And Youtube has been making similar mistakes as ebay once did - which drove users away and crashed their stock price. Today ebay has to give fee-free listing days, etc to try and keep users to stay afloat. If Youtube doesn't cut back on the ads, Twitter will drive Youtube into the same hole ebay pre-dug for them.

  • Windows7forever on 27/10/2022 - 08:09

    The only time I watch ads is when I stream YT from my Xbox because there is no ad blocker. I feel that the whole service has been becoming more commercialised as of late, with far greater paid promotional videos, affiliate marketing, and more in video advertising cleverly disguised as "content". I really couldn't give a toss about content creators or the whole service.

  • nomadspartan on 27/10/2022 - 09:26

    Try and get a sponsorship to supplement your income. Then you can advertise the sponsor within your videos. Preferable not more than 30secs long.

    • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 10:06

      Thats part of OP's issue though, we all just use sponsorblock to skip it :D

      • Herbse on 27/10/2022 - 10:11

        We want high quality, tailored content that costs us nothing and is ad/sponsorship free. What's so hard to understand about that?

        Look at what happened to commercial news since it became expected by everyone to be subscription and payment free. It's now click bait, cultural war, outrage journalism.

        • nomadspartan on 27/10/2022 - 11:56
          +1

          Yea but content creators need to earn some money as well. How else do you put food on the table?

          • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 13:42

            @nomadspartan: You can go and get a job!

            Its a crazy concept I know.

            • insane on 27/10/2022 - 14:58
              -1

              @samfisher5986: So people should only do content creation for free, on the side?

              • samfisher5986 on 27/10/2022 - 16:46
                +1

                @insane: People should only expect to do that.

                Anything else should not be expected and you should definitely not rely on it.

                There was a long list of people who had a "Youtube" job, then Youtube changed monetisation rules and a bunch of people "lost" their job essentially.

                Its not a real job and you should not rely on it because Youtube can remove it tomorrow and there's no recourse.

          • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 03:58

            @nomadspartan: They DON'T "need" to earn some money though. Youtube isn't the only job in the world. Before they came along, before Youtube paid, there were tonnes of other people already willingly doing all the same things for free. The latest "crop" haven't added anything new or of more value than already existed. News media whined the same complaints… and all their stuff was available free elsewhere too. Things change. People who don't prepare for that probability get left behind.

            "But, but, I 'had' to buy pricey mics, cameras, headsets, wind socks, sound effect console… lol, that's their choice to buy all those largely unnecessary TOYS to play "professional." Who cares. I sub to a guy who broke his camera recently and had to use his phone instead. It was 95% the quality of his expensive cam. The toys aren't needed to play "journalist", "software reviewer" or whatever else. "But I had to give up my job for this, to 'make valuable content' for you guys." No-one asked them to. There were others before them, there will be more after they've gone.

            When Youtube started paying, new ones swooped in, thinking they "deserve" to be paid, to give up their real job, spend 4 hours a day 3 or 4 days a week making videos (many of which ramble on with repetitive padding for 7 out of 10 minutes anyway wasting OUR valuable time), then sit back watching prawn, or tending their garden or kids while we have to work!?

            I was thinking about moving overseas and making a Youtube channel to earn a little on the side… But it's weird and creepy to expect others donate toward my hobby and put up with annoying ads to FUND MY LIFE. So if I ever get to do that I'll thank any subscribers who choose not to install them, but I'll also be informing them how to avoid ads using ad blockers (if that ability still exists).

            • nomadspartan on 28/10/2022 - 10:32

              @[Deactivated]: I agree that you don't need the latest machinery to create, edit and upload video but I think that you're underestimating the time needed to prepare the video, like research and buying products to review or whatever. So being paid for that (if your content is good and deserves to be paid) is warranted in my opinion.

            • insane on 28/10/2022 - 12:12
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: So it's the creators fault for putting time and effort and money in, and they don't deserve to be paid anything, despite you literally going to an app and clicking to watch their videos. Gotcha.

              • CrypticM on 28/10/2022 - 14:27
                +1

                @insane: Yes, absolutely creators fault. If you are not happy don't do it. Posting vlogs is not content creation.

                • insane on 28/10/2022 - 16:16
                  -1

                  @CrypticM: So where you think about what you are going to film, film it, edit it, upload it, title it and create a thumbnail for it, that's not creating content? Righto.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:07
      -5

      This isn't about me specifically. We are fine with multiple revenue streams.

      It's more about how people who (I assume) wouldn't steal something from a store, are fine to just steal the creators work without paying anything for it (yes that's an over exaggeration)

      And then they are justifying it, by saying it's the creators fault for uploading the videos? Or YouTube's fault for putting ads in? As if they didn't make a choice to click on the video and watch it.

      • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 13:12
        +4

        are fine to just steal the creators work without paying anything for it (yes that's an over exaggeration)

        Puts it up on youtube, then complains people are "stealing" his work. 🙄

        As if they didn't make a choice to click on the video and watch it.

        Uh, it is as if you did make a choice and upload to website where can people can watch for free….then complaining that people aren't paying for it.

      • dowhatuwant2 on 27/10/2022 - 15:36
        +4

        lmao you entitled little (profanity)

      • [Deactivated] on 28/10/2022 - 04:18
        +1

        Nonsense. Nobody "stole" anything. If I steal someones car they don't have it, can't use it, are inconvenienced, have to get a taxi to work, argue with an insurance company to get a payout, and search for and buy another car. None of these things apply. They lost nothing. they still have it, can still play and watch it, can still sell it to another willing to pay or unaware they don't have to…

        If ad blockers didn't work, people who use them would be forced to view Youtubes ever-increasing ad quota (they're talking about adding even more ads), so we would simply stop using it and go to another ad-free platform. Either way the uploader gets the same result.

        The other day I had to turn ad blockers off because a web page wouldn't load. I forgot, and while watching a 1m30s video I got 7 ads at least 30 seconds long each (3.5 minutes of ads randomly interrupting 1.5m of video)…. which would have kept going forever burning up my internet data quota if I hadn't hit "Skip Ads" on two of them. No one is going to reimburse ME for my wasted internet data, so why should I disable ad blockers to pay for Surfshark VPN and Scottish land title ads.

  • Herbse on 27/10/2022 - 09:32
    +1

    Not much love on here for OP 😔

  • dowhatuwant2 on 27/10/2022 - 10:28

    I think you'll find most people don't even consider that a real job, or at the least an extremely overpaid one where the people doing it for the money are often easily replaced by BETTER creators who are less good at gaming the system but more passionate about the topic at hand.

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:08
      -1

      And how does that justify not paying something for the content you are watching? I'm lost.

      • ozhunter on 27/10/2022 - 13:14
        +4

        Because they aren't asking for money??? They're putting it on a website that allows me to watch for free.

      • dowhatuwant2 on 27/10/2022 - 13:27

        Because what they provide with an expectation of earnings someone else would provide happily provide for free and the main difference is usually them gaming the system to get priority exposure to clicks rather than anything of extra value to me the watcher.

  • Ricktheroller on 27/10/2022 - 10:54
    +3

    I'm stuck in a rut, I watch the ads but they're getting ridiculously excessive. I only watch on TV so probably can't use these various ad blockers, but I do want to see money go to the content creators. I've considered premium but to me $15/month to remove some ads is way over the top considering what you get from your standard streaming services such as Netflix. I.e. professional high level movies and shows, not one person sitting behind a camera talking about whatever.

    From what I've heard it's a 50/50 split between money going to YouTube and content creators, so YouTube are saying I'm watching $7.50 worth of ads per month, no way. If the cost was way lower I'd consider it but I don't want to line Google's pockets just to remove ads, it annoys me even more how much ads have increased like they're trying to force me to premium otherwise suffer. I'm pretty much sticking with the ads on principal.

    Aware that I'm generalising about YouTube content, there's some really good stuff out there but they also aren't short on cat video's…

    • insane on 27/10/2022 - 13:11
      -1

      I guess it's a personal choice about how you value your time, and how you value the creators, and YT.

      I mean, obviously running the platform and hosting the videos is pretty expensive too.

      I watch about 30 mins a day of YouTube, so I'm fine paying $12/month for YT Premium for that.

      I actually think I watch more hours of YT than I do of Netflix if you average it out.

      • Captain M on 27/10/2022 - 17:44

        You start adding YT, netflix, disney, spotify, kayo it soon starts to add up. I think the wider issue is the fragmented market.

  • S2 on 27/10/2022 - 11:04

    Wait until Udemy creators find out about all the courses OzBargain has collected over the years.

  • ribenaboy on 27/10/2022 - 11:05
    +2

    This post has been a good ad for ad blockers, I would watch an ad about ad blockers.

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