I'm sure you've read the news about this, Paypal's decision to update their terms to allow them to fine you $2500 if you say anything online that they disagree with.
This George Orwell's nightmare come to life so I voted with my wallet and closed my account. What alternatives are there for people who don't want to support this sort of fascist behaviour?
Also, try copy-pasting Paypal's decision to update their terms to allow them to fine you $2500 in Google.
@OP read the last paragraph -
(a Paypal spokesperson explained) “Paypal is not fining people for misinformation and this language was never intended to be inserted in our policy. Our teams are working to correct our policy pages. We’re sorry for the confusion this has caused.”
So their reply was 'Whoopsie!"
Or did they mean "“Paypal is not fining people for misinformation and this language was never intended to be inserted in our policy…YET?"
Not sure how a policy would accidently make it into their documents? Maybe they got hacked by Alex Jones?
it's definitely not accidental, they are only backtracking because of the backlash. i don't know how anyone would believe they did it "by accident"
it doesn't matter if they have backtracked, it's only a temporary measure, their intentions behind the original update are a good indication of paypals future.
@[Deactivated]: Despite wanting to make themselves a legal authority over people's social behaviour it'll never work. People will just up and walk away from them, we've got enough askholes telling what to do already.
@[Deactivated]: even if it was accident that it was in the published policy, it means it was in the draft at some point under consideration.
@ripprind: It may have been terms for a different policy, say for some partners or ambassadors that they employ/pay commissions to. Paypal are dicks regardless, but I can see some doubt here on how intentional this was.
Just PayPal spreading misinformation then.
They should give all their customers $2,500 for spreading these lies.
They only responded to the "misinformation" bit, as far as I can tell, they are keeping all the rest about things they disagree with and fining $2500
I presume from your user name you feel very strongly about Senate elections?
https://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_depart…
Or are you posting in the wrong country?
Or are you posting in the wrong country?
Username would tend to indicate yes.
SeppoBargain doesn't have the same ring to it, y'know?
Maybe they just like 1st amendments, like any amendment to any Act or Subordinate legislation, but only the first one.
Now you've scared off the OP by asking a rational, germane question…
the wrong country????? ROFLMFAO!!
guess it's time to delete my paypal account, never thought i would unless they removed their great user protections, although, in a way, this is a massive hole in those protections, not a back door, an open (profanity) front door.
edit:
apparently they've backtracked? https://news.yahoo.com/paypal-policy-permits-company-fine-14…
regardless, i think i'll still be closing my account.
You don't have an alternative. Visa and Mastercard do the same thing, as will the banks.
As a vendor you can use Stripe or Paymate of a whole lot of other alternatives, but you lose sales if you don't support PayPal.
Is that actually true in all cases? Doesn't everyone in Australia have a VISA debit card or credit card, would someone really not order something just because the website asks to put in card number.
No from the vendor, not consumer point of view.
If you have a legal business, but Visa or Mastercard don't like what you sell, they can refuse to do business with you. It's their right, but they effectively have a monopoly.
Examples in the US are typically businesses on the fringe crypto-currency exchanges, or porn or pharmacies selling abortion pills. All legal, but Visa and Mastercard determine what your business can sell.
None of them charge you $2500 for shutting down your account like PayPal wanted to do, though.
File hosting websites have had to close too because Paypal and Credit card companies wouldn't process payments for them.
Crytocurrencies are a workaround, but only a small percentage of people use them compared to credit cards and Paypal.
True, but most transactions through PayPal are VISA and MC, and VISA and MC will be able to exert control over what PayPal processes transactions for as well.
Yeah I don't put card numbers in websites I don't know/trust. (And even then Optus has showed us that that trust can be very misplaced!)
" you lose sales if you don't support PayPal." roflmfao. not any more
lol what? who gave them that authority to just start fining people?
they don't need any authority, they have a long history of freezing peoples accounts and holding their money, sometimes they never gave it back
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/paypal-stole-use…
Yup. They stole a payment from me many many years ago. Probably 10 years ago now. Escalated, hit a brick wall, couldn't figure out what to do.
Story is I sold an item on gumtree. Buyer comes and picks it up pays with PayPal (pretty sure this was before family+friends too, it was just a PayPal payment). Money goes in my PayPal. Couple days later I withdraw money from PayPal to my bank.
I think all is well. Then a few days later I go to use my debit card for groceries. Declined.
I go home log into my banking. PayPal has made a withdrawal from my bank for the same amount I got paid. I find out the buyer made a dispute and said they never got the item. I opened a case with paypal. They didn't give a shit. After persistently explaining the situation they just stopped responding to me. Basically ghosted me. I went to my bank, the bank said they couldn't recover the money because it was a legit transaction.
At the time it was about $200.
I was incredibly pissed.
(profanity) PayPal in every way.
People who scam like that need their legs broken.
Something very similar to this happened to me! No support from paypal at all. I haven't used it since.
Buyer comes and picks it up pays with PayPal
LOL, there's your problem - using PayPal on Gumtree. When the buyer is picking up, it's cash all the way.
I guess it only really affects users who receive payments via PayPal, I mean who else keeps money stored in their PayPal account? Still shitty though.
They have our CC numbers, wouldn't they just steal it out of that?
Would count as an unauthorised charge, no? They would then come up against the CC companies legal teams so doubt they would do that.
Yeah that was my thinking but I wasn't sure what dodgy agreements they have amongst themselves? As the article in the previous post says: "“PayPal’s user agreement and acceptable use policy cannot be used as a ‘license to steal"
@EightImmortals: I don’t have a bank account attached to PayPal (very old account) for that very reason. I also have a burner savings account attached to eBay (that cannot be overdrawn) in case we disagree on something.
I think their ToS would cover them somehow but I agree, personally I would chargeback the Paypal transaction take my chances waiting for someone to knock on the door.
No they wouldn't.
Thanks to OP for summarising 1984 so well, now I don't need to read it (which makes two of us).
but…its a really good book.
Yeah it is, as long as you skip the part midway through where it is the main character reading the book the girl gives him. That part always sends me to sleep, sometimes I don't make it past before stopping reading it. I've probably read the first half 15 times and the last half about 5 lol
Fascist behaviour? You mean Capitalism?
Anyways Paypal backtracked on this decision. It ain't happening.
This does't alleviate all the concern but. For all their posturing, they were going to implement this. That it was a "mistake" is B.S. - these sorts of documents go through so many reviews (including legal) that this was intended.
And even if you accept that it wasn't meant to be in the final version - it was included in a version. It's not a typo. They were going to implement this. And likely still will, in some form that either is better hidden or the wording of doesn't get them the backlash.
Fascist behaviour? You mean Capitalism?
I'd love to hear your definition of those two words, becasue your comment above makes it sound like you have no idea what they mean.
No… I think they only backtracked on the decision to use the word "misinformation".. I think they are keeping the rest
As Paypal has now backtracked, does OP closing their account make them a premature evacuator?
This is internet. He didnt close his account.
It's not a fine, it's a stupidity levy or "breach of contract" fee. Only a government body or their representative can issue "fines".
And the reason they withdrew it was basically they would never make that stick in court. A contract has to be fair and balanced and threatening people that use your service under unfair terms and conditions just wouldn't stick, and they knew it.
Added to this, who would be the arbitrator of what was and wasn't deemed appropriate? Themselves or an independent 3rd party? What is a totally fair and reasonable point to make to one person is totally outrageous to another.
Can they even make conditions on what you do outside their service? I can understand it if you use PayPal to buy Facebook ads that promote misinformation but otherwise?
Or what if the CEO just wakes up one day and decides that whatever is trending on Twitter is "bad" or that something you said 9 years ago on Fartbook was offensive?
The fact that they withdrew it means that they know they would have no leg to stand on, especially in places like the US where free speech is so heavily protected.
they can refuse service to anyone they don't like, as long as it doesn't contravene discrimination laws. they don't have to accept customers (or victims, depends on your POV..)
i think patreon and gofundme have already banned certain groups
Refusing service is a whole different ball game to issuing “fines” to users who say things you don’t agree with.
It’s more akin to trespass… i can ask someone to leave or boot them out, what I can’t do is walk over to them and hand them a $2,500 “fine” just because they said my dog was ugly.
@pegaxs: my reply was more aimed at "can they even make conditions on what you do outside their service" they can make it a condition that if you do something they don't like, they can refuse you service.
It’s more akin to trespass… i can ask someone to leave or boot them out, what I can’t do is walk over to them and hand them a $2,500 “fine” just because they said my dog was ugly.
oh, you can hand them a "fine", but they have no obligation to pay it. it's similar to, but not the same as, the way private car parks operate; they can issue you a "fine" for breaking their terms, but they will have to pursue it through the court system if you refused to pay it (because it's not a real "fine")
depending on the state, they couldn't even pursue the "fine", as they can't gain access to your details for the purpose of pursuing you, in certain states (unless you give your details to them).
https://www.9news.com.au/national/parking-fines-thousands-hi…
i think the paypal fines would be an issue for people who keep balances in their paypal wallets, not sure if they are able to charge a linked debit / credit card (although you could just chargeback if it was a credit card) for the explicit purpose of a "fine", certainly not in Australia, I would imagine, but not sure about other countries.
if you do a bit of research, they are well known to freeze accounts for "suspicious" activity, for long periods of time, sometimes indefinitely, i linked an article somewhere else in the comments in which people filed a class action lawsuit against them for doing so, they even did it to the creator of minecraft, back in his early days, though he ended up getting his money unfrozen.
Yeah, there's been a backtrack, but the fact that it was ever written into even a draft of the User Agreement (let alone one that could get anywhere near being published) indicates the level of corporate thinking going on at PayPal.
their mentality and morality is best visualized by looking at large rallies in Germany in the 30's…
Snopes.com 😂
Snopes lol…
Imagine being that naive…
"according to a PayPal spokesperson"
But, but Snopes rofl….
Literally a cut & paste from the PR dept:
However, users concerned about the purported change can relax; no such provision about misinformation is actually being added to the service’s User Agreement, according to a PayPal spokesperson. In an email to Snopes, the spokesperson said the document didn’t accurately reflect upcoming changes to the platform’s policies.
You believe they just accidentally put it in there? "Oh gosh, I put random fines in the TOS again lol, oops!"
Username checks out.
Duck PayPal. Their resolution process has gone to crap.
Wow thanks for bringing this to light. Shame that paypal has done this, might cancel my family's wallets with them.
Edit: read Payal had backtracked, maybe I'm too quick to judge.
I don't think so.
Clearly some people with enough authority at Paypal to actually publish this thought this was a good idea.
That leads me to believe there are significant problems with the thought process at Paypal.
Yeah mate after the Optus debacle which is really the result of the federal government legislating mass data collection for surveillance reasons which eventually led to the data breach (and Optus being thrown under the bus by the media), I'm now very wary of big government and corporations pulling a 1984 on us.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/new-asio-law-one-more-step-t…
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/australias-mou…
Only just now you're wary or wary before but now very wary?
That's right, their "oops it was a misprint" doesn't really fly. New contractual terms like this would've meant an internal team drafting it, then sending it on to a team of high-priced lawyers to pore over every single word and detail, then having higher-ups at the company approving it. Something like this just doesn't happen by accident.
That they're backtracking now is, not because the company realised that it's morally wrong, but because of the customer backlash after they were found out. I closed my account the other day after this was disclosed.
read Payal had backtracked, maybe I'm too quick to judge.
The damage is done. You have to ask yourself how this happened in the first place that such an insane idea made it all the way to production, only to backtrack because they got caught red-handed and literally billions of $$$ (approx $5B USD) were being wiped from their share price.
To be fair, they have got unseen amounts of money as it is…
It’s more about power at this point and having an extremely litigious and bureaucratic state, where the common man can be F***d anytime and is at all times, at the establishment’s mercy.
They backtracked because they got caught out. Not because it was a mistake. Don't be fooled.
Here's a good thread from Twitter looking into it: https://twitter.com/StefanPatatu/status/1579427658701889538
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Whenever there is a conversation about censorship and cancel culture being pushed by these corporate behemoths, a large chunk of our population surprisingly goes on to defend them by saying ‘they are a private company and can do whatever they want’. Only people that’s at that are the ones that feel aligned with the establishment’s narratives and can’t help but be feel empowered by such moves.
I hope , I hope that people can finally understand where this one way trend is heading towards and it’s only if we are together can we reverse this never ending madness.
We should all feel obligated to defend the basic rights of people that we feel politically opposed to..
I think the main problem is that these "corporate behemoths" you talk about are a result of policies from neo-liberal and "conservative" (in the new sense) leaders that the US especially have had since Reagan in the 80s. When their ideology is that government should be limited to "increase autonomy" for individuals and private businesses, this is what happens.
OP compares this to 1984, but this is the complete opposite of 1984. 1984 is about an authoritarian state that controls everything, but what we're seeing now is massive "corporate behemoths" controlling everything. This is what happens when we give private enterprise too much power due to a "limited government" approach.
Back to this:
they are a private company and can do whatever they want
I think this is essentially the rhetoric of neo-liberals and (some) conservatives being thrown back in their face. They want limited government, and want private businesses to have the power to do what they want, and this is the result. It's like a you reap what you sow, "isn't this what you guys wanted?" kind of thing.
I think this is bullshit too, and I think that we need more government instruments in place to limit how much control these "corporate behemoths" have over our lives.
When their ideology is that government should be limited to "increase autonomy" for individuals and private businesses, this is what happens.
I agree, that was the vision and everything that came with it.
OP compares this to 1984, but this is the complete opposite of 1984
I have never read it tbh, I will now.
Regardless, I am sure what you are saying is correct.
But I had made a different point to what Op did in his post. I can’t now debate with you on Op’s personal talking points. You should discuss with him.
what we're seeing now is massive "corporate behemoths" controlling everything. This is what happens when we give private enterprise too much power due to a "limited government" approach.
Now this is where I will have to slightly disagree with you.
No ‘conservative-neoliberal-capitalist’ type ever supported/supports the collusion of the private sector with the state. By definition capitalism is the exact opposite of that.
You are looking at this from the viewpoint of a textbook socialist, who thinks if only we had a bigger government to keep all these companies in check ?
Reality - Most of these corporates actually fund the election campaigns of the two ruling parties (Disproportionately way way more for one party but I digress).
So we have a situation now where our socialist Democratic parties are working with the private sector.
I think this is essentially the rhetoric of neo-liberals and (some) conservatives being thrown back in their face.
Yup, I can concede to you that ‘they are a private company and have the right to …..’ was actually started by capitalist themselves.
Having said that, we are more privileged and rich right now than any other era of our histories.
Until the 21st century, never ever did anyone have a food abundance problem.
Even the most poor people now are overweight and live a calorie surplus lifestyles.
All of these privileges only came with this ‘capitalist’ transition of the West.
Which not only made the West richer but also made countries like India, China etc richer than they have ever been.
But you would ignore all of that and frame your comment to shove it in my face about how bad our economic systems are ?
I criticised one aspect of our society/economy, that shouldn’t demand a complete overhaul of it.
It's like a you reap what you sow, "isn't this what you guys wanted?" kind of thing.
Tit For Tat ?
Is that it ?
Unlike the past, non-capitalist/anti capitalist types form the majority or atleast almost half of the population now.
It’s always been a number’s game.
Libs need to work with non-libs to make sure they can keep the government/establishment in check.
We can achieve the perfect system and yet its existence will solely depend on its citizens working together and keeping its rulers in check.
In the end - ‘smaller the government, better it is for us’. Doesn’t then allow for the state to collude with the private sector.
China has a very big government that controls everything…
There’s a reason why so many of those rich Chinese people spend millions of dollars to come and settle here and other countries in the West.
When was the last time you saw a flock of libs moving to China ?
Our governments are heading to that exact same model, unless we do something about it.
i agree with a lot of what you said, but I'm not sure how an even smaller government would stop something like what paypal has tried to introduce. if anything i think this shows why more government intervention and regulation is needed
i think what you said here is a bit interesting:
You are looking at this from the viewpoint of a textbook socialist, who thinks if only we had a bigger government to keep all these companies in check ?
Reality - Most of these corporates actually fund the election campaigns of the two ruling parties
which is why I think you would agree with (what i believe is) the leftist position that big money and corporate interests need to be kept as seperate as possible from government, or at least as transparent as possible. but the only way i see that this can be done is via the government (a bit of a catch-22 to be sure)
the greens party here in aus seems to want some kind of anti-corporate donation legislation, and even the democrats in the US are talking about a "donor transparency" bill which doesn't have the bi-partisan support from the republicans that it will need, and as both parties are sponsored by corporate interests anyway, it's sure to be toothless if it does pass.
i think both of us see the problem with big corporations essentially being in control of our society. but I don't see a way to stop - or even reduce - this without government intervention, and a change in the money-focussed paradigm we currently live under
but I'm not sure how an even smaller government would stop something like what paypal has tried to introduce
Btw, do you believe that our governments are ‘small’ in any capacity rn ?
So you think that in their current setting, they can’t strong arm big companies into fixing their $hit ?
Firstly, their’s ombudsman bodies to represent the average consumer which has been underfunded and undersized by the state (deliberately or not, idk)
Secondly, there is no rule of law anymore.
Governments can do whatever they want.
Its now public knowledge that FBI and CIA work as the current American regime’s muscle, they spy on dissenting journalists, political opponents (trump) and their close allies. Etc
All this without even a subpoena or secret subpoenas with extensive Gag orders.
When the Russia-Ukraine war broke out. Overnight all the Western countries in quick succession passed out policies in the Parliament in unison, imposing BS sanctions on any Russian oligarch they could find. They seized their legally owned assets, cancelled their trading licenses etc
I never thought that they could do that until they did.
the leftist position that big money and corporate interests need to be kept as seperate as possible from government, or at least as transparent as possible.
Couldn’t agree anymore.
Left/Right whatever
Everybody should have the same take on this matter.
but the only way i see that this can be done is via the government
Partially agree with you over there because you and I can elect the best candidates possible.
But as evident, human nature is fickle and gets corrupt with time. I think the onus should be on you and me to pause the drivel that we watch on social media and actually follow what’s happening. So we can keep a check on our elected officials.
Voting them in is just a formality, we need to stay on top of them for the 4-5 years they are holding the office.
This is why It really bothers me to see us all in-fighting over “you are a racist/fascist/transphobe” “black vs white” “Men vs women” “white privilege”
It never ends.
And the establishment promotes that.. this is their quick cheap way to regurgitate easy talking points that idiots feel they can align themselves with. So they can divert people away from the issues that really matter.
Republicans are just as guilty of that..
They are talking about banning abortions in 2022, when they have been complicit and willing participants for decades now.
They knew it would divide the country and did it anyways.
Herschel Walker(Republican) with a history of getting his side chicks to abort his babies, is running for the Us Senate. His main talking point - ‘he’s a pro life activist’.
I know, all these hypocrites are like that and yet we fall for their bull$hit, everytime.
It’s time to bring the populous together.
this without government intervention, and a change in the money-focussed paradigm we currently live unde
Okay I’ll unequivocally agree with you on this for a moment.
But you tell me this, what if our own government goes rogue against us ?
We made them soo big that now we need to be scared of them.
What would we do then ?
Libs want to kill the second amendment but regardless the govt. has drones, AI
Most Men now are emasculated to a point that they won’t stand up for anything. They will cower.
This has happened before you know..
It’s happened in my democratic Nigeria, not sure if you know what’s happening there with shell-oilspills-Ken Saro Wiwa military execution and many alike.
My democratic India did the same in their covid response/farmer protests/ostricisng of Indian Muslims.
They then banned social media for a period to limit the flow of information, took over the media and have been running propaganda ever since. 100% BJP is getting re-elected
And we all know the history of China.
When has a big government ever worked out good for the general population ?
@Gervais fanboy: Wait, so do you want the gov to have the power to tell and fine dodgy companies like PayPal for doing stuff like this or not?
@Ughhh: I made the point that it’s the government colluding with the private sector that’s causing most of the problems for us…
@Cultural NeoMarxist explained to me that in his opinion that ideally Governments should be big enough to check these big companies.
Only to respond to his specific points, I told him that currently our governments are indeed big enough to put these companies in their places, if they ever wanted to do that.
That, our governments are bigger than we think they are..
@Gervais fanboy: You are correct in pointing out the oppressive nature of big governments. Big corporations are just as much a problem. They have similar values (ecofundamentalism, transgenderism, anti-families, anti-God, promotion of immorality, espousing baby murder).
Libertarian socialism is the solution. No big governments and no capitalists to oppress people.
Big corporations are just as much a problem. They have similar values (ecofundamentalism, transgenderism, anti-families, anti-God, promotion of immorality, espousing baby murder).
100% agree with almost everything have in your comment there…
But as a solution you suggested ‘Libertarian Socialism’
I just looked it up and it mentions leanings towards anarchism and Marxism in it.
Is that correct ? If yes, are you not concerned by such virtues ?
Secondly, I couldn’t get a definite explanation of how asset distribution works in such a system ?
Does it work on meritocracy like it does in Capitalism or is it something different?
No ‘conservative-neoliberal-capitalist’ type ever supported/supports the collusion of the private sector with the state
BRB, telling all those defence contractors and prison companies that they're a figment of somebody's imagination
@GrueHunter: So what one guy (Dick Cheney) was able to pull through with a cabal of anti nationalists, is what you now will call the conservative position on that whole debacle ?
If you had a clue, you would know that most American citizens (Dems and Rep) had zero idea of what was actually happening back then.
But today, Its the conservatives like me that are now aware of it and often bring it up for scrutiny are shut down as ‘conspiracy theorists’ by pro-establishment libs like yourself.
OP compares this to 1984, but this is the complete opposite of 1984. 1984 is about an authoritarian state that controls everything, but what we're seeing now is massive "corporate behemoths" controlling everything.
Er… same thing. Orwell did make the bad guy the government in his story but the ultimate message is about authoritarianism whether that be government, corporate, Church, Monarchy whatever.
The solution is here is less authoritarianism, and more libertarianism.
They want limited government, and want private businesses to have the power to do what they want, and this is the result.
Not quite. Because the government through artificial restrictions has limited the amount of competition in the payments market, so it's not a free market. In a true free market there would be dozens of Paypals, and when one pulled a silly stunt like this, we could all simply jump ship to another offering more 'liberal' T's & C's.
Because the government through artificial restrictions has limited the amount of competition in the payments market, so it's not a free market. In a true free market there would be dozens of Paypals, and when one pulled a silly stunt like this, we could all simply jump ship to another offering more 'liberal' T's & C's.
Ohh yes, the disingenuous barriers to entry to protect the interests existing monoliths in most industries.
Which are again, the literal opposite of Capitalistic literature and viewpoints.
I completely forgot about bringing that point up.
Thanks for adding that to this conversation.
a large chunk of our population surprisingly goes on to defend them by saying ‘they are a private company and can do whatever they want’
I am someone who does point out that they're private companies and can essentially do what they want, but I wouldn't call that defending them. This case in particular, they have every right to put almost whatever they want in their Terms of Service, including this "fine" b.s. "You can always take your business somewhere else". Does't mean I agree with it. I also don't think they should be allowed to do this - I can't see one of the Big 4 being able to do this without the government/regulator stepping in and saing "hol' up".
These sorts of cases just say to me that these corporate behemoths need some more serious regulation… "You can always take your business somewhere else" doesn't always work - PayPal being a good example of this. How many comments here have addressed the actual question: "What Are The Alternatives?".
We should all feel obligated to defend the basic rights of people that we feel politically opposed to..
Agreed. I did appreciate some of the conversations with SlavOz, even if I did disagree with their viewpoint frequently.
Well said. Phones dont even come with chargers these days because of this stupidity.
lol what ?
Bloody trolls 🤣🤣🤣
I can’t even..
Username checks out.
Not sure about Paypal and USA legislation, but here in Australia the Optus debacle is really the result of the federal government legislating mass data collection for surveillance reasons which eventually led to the data breach.
Optus is being thrown under the bus by a Murdoch-led media keen to sidestep the government stealth invasion into our privacy, when the same thing could have happened with Telstra.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/new-asio-law-one-more-step-t…
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/australias-mou…
I agree with you that mass data collection is not something that should have taken place at all, but Optus is definitely at fault as well by leaving such a system open and vulnerable to data harvesters.
Incompetence is the only word that comes to mind when putting an API out in the open with zero authentication
I, for one, welcome our new PayPal overlords.
Right answer ✅
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Post as deal.
Link?