just seeing price jumped from child to adult ticket (10%) and wondering if i put down my child (12y.o) as child ticket, will the airline ask to pay extra when boarding ? Does anyone have the same situation and have a way to go around it ? Cheers
Why 12 Y.o Child Is Considered as Adult Ticket on Airfare
BlackorRed on 02/10/2022 - 21:18
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International and he will still be 12 on the date of travel. I was looking on IWTF website
he will still be 12 on the date of travel
Pretty sure you need to be under 12 for the entire journey on a ticket to qualify for a child fare.
I think there's an article in the newspapers every few months/years about a passenger getting upset because their flight was delayed and their kid turned 12 … airline forced them to buy an adult ticket.
But the child still occupies a seat, right?
woah, let's not be completely reasonable here
So does a 4 year old
So by your logic a 4 year old is an adultOP is asking why the airline picked 12 as the age for an adult ticket
I’m ok with that logic
True. They should pick 4 years old to start charging full fare. Remove the term adult and just use the word seat.
Or to be fair to everyone, anyone using up a seat costs the same, regardless of age. So 1.5 years plus? Full fare for them.
Then OP has no complaints.
If they use the word 'seat', next thing you know theyll be selling 'stand' on airlines…
Many budget airlines charge full fare to anyone who occupies a seat. But the government taxes/fees are lower for international.
Yes but child is lighter thus the plane will use less fuel :)
Then an adult who is 46kg will complain and say they pay the same as someone who is 100kg. Plane will use less fuel with the 46kg adult :)
Age discrimination is fine, but if they tried to weigh people, and their luggage, can you imagine the response?
Imagine they ask the passengers to weight themselves on the luggage check in scale.
This is why in Fiji you stand on the scales with your bags and are assessed on the combined weight.
I like that system
Do you want them to stay home alone?
😱
Pretty sure the 12 year old takes up the same number of seats and costs the airline the same amount, as an adult.
So does a 10 or 11 year old. What's your point?
But does an 8 or 9 year old?
It might. It might not. It's the internet, facts and critical thinking are not a prerequisite to post things.
You chose to have a child. Accept the costs
"Why should I? I want everyone else to subsidise my child!"
Then your child should be a public good.
Which reminds me - I need my lawns mowed.That's actually not the definition of a public good.
If they are mowing your lawn, they can't mow someone else's. So it's non-excludable…
Child slaves can't be 'public goods'
@random12: what if we setup a roster? I can't occupy the same piece of roadway as you, but we can successfully share it out over time…
You, old: “why aren’t there more young people to work and pay taxes to subsidise my expensive health care?”
The age that an airline considers a child or adult is upto the airline. Most have it at 12. One factor is that the government taxes on the ticket are higher for people aged 12 and above - so the airline is passing on that higher cost.
One key thing is that under 12 if they need to fly by themselves they're an "unaccompanied minor" and often restricted from travelling and have extra fees thrown on top. So generally the airline is going to have 2 tickets they get to sell whenever an under 12 is involved. Bit of a buy one, get one 10% off deal.
A 12 year old can fly by themselves.
Yeah but then OP may create another forum post ‘Why a 12 years old can fly by themselves?’
Have you ever tried booking as a child, although your an adult? Imagine rocking up trying to board as a child lol.. i wanna see this on youtube.
"yeah but i identify as a three year old"
Clearly.
Youtube can deliver! Chasers War on Everything have already done it.
adult
Yes. The pp will show that it should be an adult.
International you have to add date of birth
what an irrelevant comment for the topic lol
I mean it was either that or covid - it all circles back lol
Is it really the same reason though?
edgy af
Don't tell him he's an adult if not he'll want a beer on the flight.
You got to set a boundary somewhere. Becoming a teenager seems about right.
Becoming a teenager seems about right.
Pretty sure you become a teenager at thirteen. Airlines impose the boundary at 12.
Pretty sure airlines go by the Lunar calendar which counts moment of conception as age.
So 12 and 9 months?
just seeing price jumped from child to adult ticket (10%)
Not sure what you mean by 10% … lap children under 2 are given a 80-100% discount (depending on the airline). The discount given to a seat-occupying child (aged 2-11) is somewhere between 50-80% (depending on the airline). The discount is only on the base fare and any fees/taxes still apply.
I don't know how the airlines came up with 12 as the cut-off, but one would guess it was related to some analysis of 12 year-old flying on planes, their consumption and price elasticity of air travel. Most airlines would probably have to adopt a similar convention for this to simplify ticketing when people are flying multiple carriers on a single tickets.
The discount given to a seat-occupying child (aged 2-11) is somewhere between 50-80% (depending on the airline
I think you meant to say between 0% and 80% discount…. Lots of Australian domestic airlines offer 0% discount for 2-11 year olds. A bum in the seat is a bum in the seat. They get a seat, a bag, just the same as everyone else.
It would just be easier to charge lap carrying babies a discount and everyone else the same.
It's not like there's kids meals that are cheaper, and some kids can weigh as much as "adults".
So just get rid of the whole 2-11 discount thing them people won't complain when their kid passes their arbitrary age limit and have to pay full fare, because everyone now has to.
OP should slap a baby bonnet on their 12 y.o. child and seat them on their lap for the entire flight. If airline personnel become suspicious, instruct child to loudly say "goo goo ga ga".
If that doesn't work, OP should then don their own baby bonnet and also say "goo goo ga ga". Added points/credibility for shaking a rattle and defecating in their pants.
I think they want to get more money as soon as they can get it, and if every other airline is doing it this way then there isn't really any incentive for them to do it otherwise.
Hypothetically, if one airline rose the age to children's age to thirteen (or whatever) and it was successful, the other airlines would then probably raise it in order to compete - which would mean everyone loses out on more profit, and we can't have that.
I guess you got to play by their rules if you want to take a flight..
There’s not really any reason a child (unless it’s a baby sitting on the parents lap) should cost less. Most airlines do it as a marketing thing as a great deal of people have kids, so they get more sales if they offer cheaper prices for kids than they would if they charged full adult fares for kids. 12 or 13 is the cut off for lots of things, kids meals, ski passes, theme park tickets. Having kids is expensive. You might be able to get student prices or discounts for some fares - double check the airline.
Hey, if you won't subsidize my child flying, no way am I subsidizing some student flying.
Children are classified as under 12 years for weight assumption. Once they go over that they are estimated as an adult instead. Each region has different guidelines on how to estimate passenger weight but males are roughly 82kg, females are roughly 67kg and children are roughly 30kg in Australia for jets with over 150 seats.
I don’t understand why airlines offer discounts for children in the first place. They consume an entire seat. And they annoy adults near them. If anything there should be an extra cost for under 12, especially under 10
They subsidize students though?
OP, please submit a height and weight measurement of your child and the community will debate whether they are classed as an adult or not
If it's based on height, maybe they can bonsai them for a couple of weeks before the flight?
Because they can…. ?
Does it matter? It's just an arbitrary number to start charging people from a certain age or size a higher fee.
Adult is just a word they use to decide when to charge mode.They could very well charge younger kids more because they take up the same seat as an actual adult but decided not to and chose up to 12 for discounts.
Be happy about that.
It is what it is.
CASA definition of adult, child are as followed:
adult - a person who has turned 13.
child - a person who has turned 2 but has not turned 13.These 2 definitions has different standard weight category. I would imagine that's where the discount comes from since a child is assumed to be 41kgs where as an adult male is assumed 82kgs. link here
Why airlines picks 12 is anyone best guess lol
Why airlines picks 12 is anyone best guess lol
So child can't post bad reviews of kids' airline activity packs on Facebook :P https://www.facebook.com/help/157793540954833
Modify passport to change DOB and report back when you get caught :)
But does the child consent or indentify as a child?
wondering if i put down my child (12y.o) as child ticket, will the airline ask to pay extra when boarding
Its up to the airline… Some are lenient about this and some budget airlines may be not. ymmv so be prepared for anything and don't be grumpy if they do ask you to size up as it's within their rights to do so.
One time mid air on Scoot I sat down on a seat next to the door which was vacant (all 3 rows infact were vacant) and the air hostess rushed to me and said I need to pay extra to sit there. I had to explain I wasn't sitting there to enjoy the seating space, but was rather waiting in line for rest room and didn't want to stand blocking the hallway >.<
Did the flight attendant tell you: “toilets extra!”?
So many childless losers commenting :-)
it is generally accepted in society that kids get discounts on things that adults do in everyday life, those childless wonders trying to say "its a seat so why should i pay for you" are probably best living in an inner city box unit childless pretending their cats are their kids.
I have never worked out why the cut off point is what it is with airlines but other businesses have varying age limits too. I can only assume its to screw as much money out of peiole as the business can.
there ends my contribution…
Childless losers?
Reminds me of when there was sudden interest in Julia Gillard's empty fruit bowl.
I'm sure you are a model citizen though.Typical breeder response
/s
it is generally accepted in society that kids get discounts on things that adults do in everyday life
Generally accepted, it may be. But don't mistaken it as a 'right' or an 'entitlement'! Instead, learn to appreciate it when it's given.
It should be done by weight, fatties should pay more
So, everyone pays more?
there ends my contribution…
Ending before it began, story of your life.
So as an "adult" are they allowed to drink on the flight?
Rules like that usually depend on where you're flying to/from. For example if you're flying from (to?) or around the US then you don't get served alcohol until you're 21. So unless they're flying from somewhere other than Australia with a drinking age of 12 then no, they are not allowed to drink alcohol.
If u cant afford all the costs of having a child.. dont have a child! And if u do make the mistake of having a child, and then constantly complain about the costs of raising said child to live in your world, the. Things have to adjust!
OK
^^^^ Childless Tabitha^^^^
If you really must speak in nonsensical cliches please go ahead but i cannot see anywhere where anyone has said they cannot afford an extra 10%.
To want to know why a policy exists in a society where kids get discounts does not mean what you are trying to say.. AT ALLYou have not got a single clue what you are talking about
Airlines are a business, they are there to make as much profit for their shareholders as possible. The end.
Genius
Comments closed as per request by OP.
Domestic or International?
Which airline and how old will they be on dates of travel?