What Can Android Do to Win More Market Share?

With Apple having over 50% market share in Australia since 2011 and recently passing 50% in the US, what do you think Google or Android phone manufacturers need to do to win more market share?

For those who switched to iOS or never used Android, what feature would get you to switch?

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    • +9

      Forgot to link it, but that's the source there.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/861577/australia-mobile-…

      PS: I'm an Android user now and for the foreseeable future. Never had an iPhone.

      • I’m not sure I trust either article from that site because they contradict each other. Kind of regardless though I had access to the web analytics of some of Australia’s largest site until a few years ago, and iOS was almost all of the traffic, outpacing even all desktop browsers, and iOS mobile had never not been in the lead right back to 2009. So I don’t know what Android owners we’re using their devices for but clearly many less used them to browse the web.

        That doesn’t correlate exactly with ‘market’ share, because if people kept phone half as long it would double market share without increasing traffic, and people who buy more expensive phones probably use them more. I’d still be surprised if iPhone weren’t the overwhelming majority in Australia for many years purely anecdotally though. It’s been a long time since I even saw someone with an android phone.

  • +8

    Actually get some cool, usable features and implement them well…

    Airtag? Shits all over Samsung Smarttag (way more people opted in, cheaper), and only the Smarttag+ is functionally better (UWB range is better).

    Smart Watch? Even older versions have far more accurate tracking than Samsung, comparable or slightly better than Garmin. Fall detection only recently came to the Sammy watches. The Ultra is cheaper than the Descent MkII, and has far better features (other than the tank pod integration). Apple watch also has noise level detection, to help protect your hearing.

    Phone? If/when the PLB service comes to Australia, it literally saves folks $400 they would've spent on a separate device. Car crash detection is interesting.

    Servicing? Most capital cities have at least one Apple store, and the price list is transparent. You can even swap for a refurbished device and have your restored device up and running very quickly. Samsung - a booth in capitals, it gets sent away, price list not transparent. Others? Good (profanity) luck.

    Earbuds? The airpods pro will block out damaging sounds, Jabra has Peakstop, and I can't seem to find any such feature for Samsung buds. At least the Samsung ones seem to have the find my device feature like airpods do, whilst Jabra relies on you having been the one to last connect to it, and won't update if they've been moved.

    Accessories? You can find a bajillion accessories for Apple devices even years after they are sold, not so for competitors.

    I use a Samsung phone, Samsung watch, nearly everything is Samsung in my mobile life… and I am (profanity) salty after the latest Apple promotion as well as having travelled with my partner and we were comparing our experiences with our mobile devices.

    • +1

      As much as I am very happy to continue using iPhones for the remainder of my life, I do wish you could add storage like you can on most Android phones, and use things like Tasker

      • +2

        Can't add storage now on flagship Samsungs, and iOS has Shortcuts likes Samsung Routines.

        • +1

          Yeah I've seen that, it didn't have the ability that I was hoping for though. I wanted to be able to send received text messages through whatsapp, so I could get text messages from my old phone (the number I give to companies) without having to have the actual phone with me. Shortcuts isn't allowed to access text messages unfortunately. I kind of understand, if it could be used somehow to create malware, but is annoying too. Means I need to get around to getting an Android to do this task

    • +10

      Car crash detection has been a thing in Google Pixel phones for a few years now.

      Source: mine went off in April when I got T-Boned

      • That's great!

        EDIT: Oh yeah the handwashing detection on the samsung watch is trash. Never gets it right.

        • Most sensors on that watch are trash. There is a reason why I would never buy samsung.

          Here is one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPqtfC70QTU

          Look how far down the latest and greatest smart watch from samsung is. They are the first to implement the so called features but without a consideration being made to how well it actually works and it is also a larger problem within the Android space. The whole argument is specs and features not experience.

      • So Apple must have been scrapping the bottom of the barrel for amazing new features.

    • Earbuds? The airpods pro will block out damaging sounds

      lol

  • +20

    I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the Android OS, it's more like what phone manufacturers are doing (or aren't doing) that makes them lose in certain categories against Apple.

    Take for example, the removal of features like

    • Removable batteries. Apple made this a trend that everyone eventually followed in the later years. Samsung ditched the removable battery after the Galaxy S5 and LG ditched it after the G5 and V20.

    • MicroSD card slots. This used to be a big deal since data caps were small back then and some people didn't have cloud storage subscriptions, and might be an even bigger deal for professional photographers. If you remove the SD card slot you're getting rid of a pretty important selling point of a mobile device.

    • Headphone jack — I'm personally fine saying goodbye to this since I'm not a critical listener and hate tangled earphone cords in my pocket, but audiophiles apparently loved the Quad-DAC feature of flagship LG mobiles since it lets them drive high impedance headphones. With LG now out of the phone market, there probably aren't any Android smartphones around that has a similar function.

    Then there's auxiliary services like after-sales support, loyalty discounts, trade-in programs, servicing / repairs and the number of major software updates (the latter dictating how long you can keep your mobile device and not get left behind with outdated OS's).

    Apple is good at nearly all of them, Samsung good at half of those and most other Android brands are terrible at most of them.

    If you can't win at the longevity of software updates or extended warranties for example, then you should at least make sure your phone can do something that an iPhone can't — SD expansion with dual physical SIM slots for example.

  • -2

    not be bad

    • +2

      elaborate?

      • Hurr it's not Apple. - likely reason.

      • he meant to say evil

  • -6

    These days smart watches are like fashion accessories, specially the iwatch. Hence the popularity towards iphone.

    I noticed lots of ladies with iwatch, which make sense. Other than there isn't much different between Android and iOS these days.

  • +3

    Nothing. Diversity fuels competition. The closer they're to 50/50 market share the better it is for competition.

    In 2030 you might even see revolutionary iPhone 22 with flexible screen that would not exist if Samsung did not release it 10 years prior.

    However, concept of mobile phone is getting a bit tired and something fundamentally new required for some time already and you can be sure it won't be from Apple, all they can do for innovation is to spend years trying to hide a hole in the screen.

    • +5

      The phone market is far from ideal

      • The near 50/50 is in at least two markets (AU/US)
      • Apple is ahead in the premium market (70% share IIRC)
      • Android are ahead globally with ~70% share
      • Samsung is ahead of other Android manufacturers
      • Other manufacturers are under 5%
        • The market in Australia is particularly bad with Android phones not coming here (eg Sony)
        • It's a tough market with manufacturers such as LG closing down and HTC largely disappearing
      • Phones with unique features - eg LG + Quad DAC have largely disappeared
      • I think it would have been nice to see a third player - Maybe MS remaining

      you can be sure it won't be from Apple

      Maybe, maybe not. Apple does have a habit of taking things mainstream and have enough market share to significantly influence the direction of technology. Their upcoming AR/VR efforts when revealed will be quite interesting. I guess that could be considered copying in a way with Google Glass coming first.

      concept of mobile phone is getting a bit tired

      It will be interesting to see what comes next in the space. In my opinion, we've been at good enough for about 5 years where phone upgrades are much less necessary.

      I feel like Android has stagnated a bit due to:

      • Lack of performance compared to Apple - maybe blame Qualcomm
      • Lack of a decent smartwatch offering
      • Lack of tight integration with other platforms
      • I don't feel like there is a response to some of Apple's offerings
      • +2

        I feel like Android has stagnated a bit due to:

        Lack of performance compared to Apple - maybe blame Qualcomm
        Lack of a decent smartwatch offering
        Lack of tight integration with other platforms
        I don't feel like there is a response to some of Apple's offerings

        I don't care so much about the speed of the device these days. Lots of diminishing returns. Would love to see significant battery life improvements. Lot more potential for Apple to come out on top here especially if they put in bigger batteries.

        A lot of the complaints can be aimed at Google and their limited support and killing projects. Android One lasted for what feels like a year, still around but hardly any devices are supported.

  • +1

    android users sure love to tell apple what to do (like changing the port, removing notch), but apple users don't even care about android devices.

    • +11

      android users sure love to tell apple what to do

      Lol, that's the EU in an effort to reduce e-waste. Plenty of Apple users want USB-C everywhere - one cable for iPhone, iPad, Mac, and accessories.

      • that's the EU in an effort to reduce e-waste

        how would you feel if the EU forced all devices to use displayport and not hdmi?

        Plenty of Apple users want USB-C everywhere

        apple wants to make everything wireless

        • +4

          how would you feel if the EU forced all devices to use displayport and not hdmi?

          Indifferent

          • +1

            @ihfree: really? what about your TV and apple tv etc? if usb-c is the future, surely we can all accommodate to displayport over usb-c?

            • +5

              @askbargain: DisplayPort does work over USB-C - I'm not sure what you're getting at.

              • +1

                @ihfree:

                use displayport and not hdmi

                • +1

                  @askbargain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

                  The initial efforts had positive effects for pretty much everyone. In the past every device had its own proprietary charger, required a specific car charger, etc.

                  Lightning had its benefits when it was first introduced compared to Micro-USB. USB-C has largely surpassed it now and is even on their other devices such as the iPad Air.

                  • -3

                    @ihfree: your reply has really gone off track. you might want to read my responses again.

                    displayport has better specs than hdmi, and is royalty free, so why do we still want hdmi devices?

                    • @askbargain: Yeah, i'm not sure where this is meant to be going or the analogy to USB-C/Lightning.

                      Both HDMI and DisplayPort can be implemented by anyone. Would it be nice to have one standard for display? sure. There are probably enough differences that they will both be around for a long time.

                      IMO, lightning needs to die. It would be one less cable for me to carry - I do have a few accessories which use lightning cables. The AirPods Pro case even has a suspiciously shaped USB-C cutout.

                      • -3

                        @ihfree:

                        Both HDMI and DisplayPort can be implemented by anyone.

                        even when there's usb-c, manufacturers still make micro-usb or mini-usb. (logitech gaming mice, ti-nspire calculators if i'm not wrong)

                        There are probably enough differences that they will both be around for a long time.

                        except there isn't any pro to having HDMI around (other than one thing, but I doubt even you know it). so why do we still make them? do we like their confusing naming like usb?

                        It would be one less cable for me to carry

                        think about all the e-waste saved if we didn't have HDMI anymore, just displayport (or even better, usb-c only)

                        is it really going to be one less cable for you to carry? there are many different usb-c cables, some support 100W, some don't. some support 10gbps, some don't (most are still usb 2.0 btw. you think the usb-c cable that is bundled with whatever you buy going to have all those features? and if they don't why bother supplying them if you are going to buy one that has more features? cheap usb-c items don't charge over C2C, you need an A2C cable.

                        just accept there will always be different cables. don't force companies to do things, because they will always find a way around it.

                        • @askbargain:

                          don't force companies to do thing

                          Where we are now is largely as a result of the CEPS legislation. It was truly the wild west prior to that. USB-C EPR will be great as well - ne charger, no more barrel connectors, easier to travel, etc.

                          think about all the e-waste saved if we didn't have HDMI anymore

                          If they were equivalent maybe it would be a good thing to drop one. As it is, both have their advantages. TV/AV equipment moves slower than tech.

                          • -1

                            @ihfree: no counter argument to a lot of things i mentioned.

                            USB-C EPR will be great as well

                            needing new cables, so good move for the planet i guess?

                            As it is, both have their advantages

                            except i've said many times that HDMI has no advantage (only a minor one)

                            TV/AV equipment moves slower than tech.

                            what do you think plugs in to your TV?

                            • +1

                              @askbargain:

                              needing new cables, so good move for the planet i guess?

                              Longer term it will be less cables, similar to Micro USB replacing all the proprietary stuff. They will be usable across multiple generations of product with chargers which can be used with multiple products.

                              except i've said many times that HDMI has no advantage (only a minor one)

                              HDMI can be run over ethernet, longer lengths. That's a pretty big advantage for many people.

                              TV/AV equipment moves slower than tech.

                              Upgrade cycle is in general much slower than tech. DisplayPort is rare on TVs.

                              Neither are proprietary. Lightning is. It's a direct throwback to the days before micro USB was standardized. As a user of lightning cables, I think it needs to die. That's about 6 or 7 extra cables that I own as a result of my lightning based products.

                    • @askbargain: Do you just stick an iPhone either side of your head like horse blinders?

        • +1

          SCART or nothing.

        • DisplayPort 2.0+ is technically better than HDMI, but both of those connectors are useably shitty and obsolete for hardware >2019; USB-C will replace both in time — those days can't come soon enough!
          Wireless video is great, but niche technology, and susceptible to interference, so not ideal for environments with a lot of wireless equipment.

      • +1

        This is great means a household can just have a single charger type not a whole drawer full of usb c, usbmini, lightning, old school apple, etc

      • Lol, that's the EU in an effort to reduce e-waste. Plenty of Apple users want USB-C everywhere - one cable for iPhone, iPad, Mac, and accessories.

        Shame every USB C cable is different.

        • Yeah, it's not ideal, but having degraded performance for data/charging is better than nothing.

          What annoys me is devices that don't implement C-C charging or most recently a device(Sennheiser Momentum 3) that doesn't work with 100W cables.

          I'm carrying the following which is sufficient for what I need

          • 2M 100W for charging
          • 1M 100W/USB3 for charging, video, and data
          • 1M 60W in my headphones case
          • @ihfree: in other words, with lightning, it just works…

            • @askbargain: lol, for all intents and purposes, a iPhone would still "just work" with any USB-C cable. As it stands, iPhones/Lightning don't implement USB3 so there is no benefit there(happy to be corrected if wrong). Even if they implemented USB3, they would "just work" with a USB2 cable but slower.

              Personally, I'm happy with the situation on my Android device - more flexible connection for charging and a thicker cable for data transfer when required which is rarely.

              From your analogy, HDMI and DisplayPort have similar issues as there are different versions which support different transfer speeds, resolutions, features, etc.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Specifications

              Once again, most versions would "just work" but potentially with a downgraded experience.

  • +6

    Why do they need more market share? I want a phone, dont give a shit about market share.

    • +5

      if you like your blackberry phone, and the market share is decreasing or basically zero, what do you think will happen if you want another blackberry phone

      • What should happen, is that Blackberry panics and risks a huge innovation to win back customers, we all love it and then that innovation is copycatted by the others. Then we as consumers win by getting new tech or features.

    • +2

      Why do they need more market share?

      Perhaps OP is seeking validation for their choice.

      • +1

        Just discussion around tech and trends.

    • If you want specific features

      • Alternatives - driving prices down
      • Driving innovation
      • Blackberry example
      • LG's phones with the Quad DAC feature is another example
      • Ask Zune guy how he felt when Zune was discontinued
      • There's external Type-C DACs on a market, go get one already and use it wherever you like. It was a niche feature that pretty much no one cared about.

        • True, that is was niche.

          Still, it's a shame to see a unique option and competition disappear.

          In the context of this thread, however, the question would be:

          • What could LG have done to turn their business around and become profitable?
          • +1

            @ihfree:

            What could LG have done to turn their business around and become profitable?

            Work with mobile carriers to get their more expensive phones on a plan. Majority of iPhones you see around are not bought outright, you know. That's the reason why they're so widespread in countries where mobile carriers including them in plans. If you had to spend $1500 outright to get one they would not be so popular in Australia.

          • +1

            @ihfree:

            What could LG have done to turn their business around and become profitable?

            Marketing as well. I find that lots of non techy people are only aware of two good/main brands - Samsung and Apple. I'm pretty sure these two spend huge huge amounts on advertising and staying relevant.

            Rip LG, HTC and Sony mobile.

      • Alternatives - driving prices down

        … that aint ever going to happen.. iSheep will pay anything to keep up with the Jones'… look at the queues anytime anything new comes out… they dont care how much it is.

        • +1

          Plenty of iPhone users I know are buying refurb devices or hang onto their devices much longer.

          A few of these users spend less than me on their phones.

          • @ihfree: I'm still using my iPhone 8 and hope to get at least another two years out of it for a total of six years' of use.

            If I can get eight years out of it I'll feel pretty chuffed but it'll probably require another battery replacement in two to three years' time, by which time I doubt Apple will still have iPhone 8 batteries lying around, so might have to do it through a third-party repairer.. or replace the battery before they stop supporting iPhone 8 repairs (which I'm not sure they will allow as they seem to be pretty strict on the requirements for a battery repair).

            Some people feel good about buying the latest and greatest phone but for me I'll feel good using this until it absolutely does not work anymore. If I get six years use out of this it would have cost me about ~$233 a year (assuming I spent $1400 on it when I bought it). Not bad at all I think.

  • +16

    Written this a few times on this site, but I think I have a unique perspective given I daily carry both an iPhone 13 Pro Max and a Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra (work phone and personal phone). Both phones are fully capable, work well, are fast and fluid, and are fully reliable. However, I think there is a fundamental divide between the philosophy of the iPhone and that of Android.

    Whenever I use my iPhone, I feel that I'm using someone else's phone but that it's very refined and well-designed, however, just not exactly how I like it. Whenever I use my Android, I feel that I'm really using "my" phone, set up exactly how I like it, but that there are certain quirks and bumps that I've come to rely on and depend on.

    Basically, I enjoy using my iPhone more 95% of the time, but 5% of the time it can't do basic things that I want it to do, it's extremely frustrating. If I had to choose only one phone, I would choose Android until iOS adds the following functionality:

    (i) T9 dialling - this has been present since my brick Nokia in 2002. I depend on this, it's an old habit, and I refuse to accept the fact that Apple cannot implement it.

    (ii) Top number row on keyboard - I type numbers a lot, not having this completely does my head in

    (iii) USB-C - I carry one charger for my S22 Ultra, my work laptop, my Macbook, my iPad, my headphones, my Sony A7III camera, my power bank. Apple's Lightning connector needs to die.

    (iv) iOS's clunky notifications - Android's notifications menu makes more sense to me - notifications from the same app are kept together, I can quick view messages easily…etc. On iOS, grouping doesn't make sense - having three separate notifications for three different messages on Facebook Messenger is silly.

    FWIW, I like iOS, but I have always disliked the arrogance, I like the fact that Android trusts me to make choices, but I understand that not everyone appreciates or wants those choices. I am strongly considering replacing my iPhone 13 Pro Max with a Galaxy Z Fold 4, but I do enjoy using the iPhone.

    The direct question of why Apple is gaining market share on Android is simply because Samsung dropped the ball and Apple killed it with the iPhone 6. With the exit of other high-end manufacturers, Samsung is basically the flag-bearer for Android. I still remember the Galaxy S being superior to the iPhone 4, and the Galaxy S2 being superior to the iPhone 4S. However, from the Galaxy S6 onwards, Samsung started making lacklustre phones. The Galaxy S6 and S7 were boring phones that sold poorly whilst Apple cemented their position with the iPhone 6/6+, and dented Android's market share and reputation. The issues around the exploding Notes didn't help either.

    Recap of the sales numbers for those interested:

    iPhone 4: 50 mil, Galaxy S: 20 mil
    iPhone 4S: 60 mil, Galaxy S2: 40 mil + Galaxy Note: 10 mil
    iPhone 5: 70 mil, Galaxy S3: 70 mil + Note II: 30 mil (this was really Android's best opportunity to run away with it)
    iPhone 5S: 52 mil, Galaxy S4: 80 mil + Note 3: 10 mil (Android keeping up, but starting to lose momentum here)
    iPhone 6/6+: 224 mil, Galaxy S6/edge: 45 mil (Android completely lost it here - never recovered from this)
    iPhone 7/7+: 78 mil, Galaxy S7/edge: 55 mil
    iPhone 8/8+/X: 149 mil, Galaxy S8/S8+: 41 mil + Note 10: 10 mil
    iPhone XR/Xs/Xs Max: 125 mil, Galaxy S9/S9+: 35.4 mil
    iPhone 11/11 Pro /Max: 149 mil, Galaxy S10/+/e: 37 mil

    It's clear how Android died, basically Samsung had a few shocking years with boring phones whilst Apple innovated and that was the end of it. When Samsung came back with the Galaxy S8/S8+, which were actually quite competitive phones, the market had just moved on. They could no longer generate any excitement with new launches. Smartphones are too boring now for a market shake-up, sales numbers and trends have become entrenched. The short answer is that Android will likely never win back the crown, but will remain strong enough to offer an alternative.

    • +1

      Thank you for the comment, that's an interesting look back at the history of the phones/sales numbers.

      I find the lack of T9 dialing to be a strange omission on the iPhone. I will have to try out the phone app on an iPhone to see how it works.

    • Instead of t9, I think its easier to swipe down from home screen and type the contact name.

      • +4

        It's not about what you find easier, it's about having that functionality there for people who wish to use it.

    • +1

      For number ii), you can add third party keyboards. The one thing I liked on the Android phone I used for those couple of months was Swype to text. Now I use it all the time, as I found it in the app store and now have a Swype keyboard as the default. I am sure someone would have made a keyboard with numbers on the same screen as the letters.

      • +1

        Third party keyboards on iPhone still do not support top row numbers

        • Oh ok fair enough. Is that a restriction by Apple or just nobody has thought to make that?

        • I use Swiftkey which does?

          • @ThithLord: What's the benefit of using Swiftkey over the standard keyboard? Well, besides the number row and swipe text?

            I've used Gboard in the past but got rid of it because I found it to be somewhat inaccurate at times.

            • @Ghost47: It's very customisable (not that I care about that) and it's next-word prediction is really good. So if I type "Hey," it'll predict how tap are tap you? tap etc but uses machine learning from how the user types for more complex sentences

        • I don't know if it's still the case but the keyboard layout is/was different in landscape and portrait mode.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/8xzx8x/question_why_is…

          • @Caped Baldy: Even in landscape third party keyboards can (and some including SwiftKey do support a top number row). Mind you in landscape on the mini swiftkey is basically full screen when you enable top row numbers.

    • +1

      This only includes a single Android flagship. Ignores all other brands aside from Samsung and the many other Android phones at a lower price point.

    • -2

      iPhone 6/6+: 224 mil, Galaxy S6/edge: 45 mil (Android completely lost it here - never recovered from this)
      iPhone 7/7+: 78 mil, Galaxy S7/edge: 55 mil

      This is a little misleading, because the iPhone 6/6+ and 6s/6s+ were 2 generations of iPhone, whereas the iPhone 7/7+ was only one generation.

      Some of your figures are also way off:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph…

      • Sure - that's how the numbers were aggregated, but the broader story still stands

    • And that list only iPhone 4 and iPhone X are the major leaps and bounds at the time. Rest are just filers

    • +1

      (iv) iOS's clunky notifications - Android's notifications menu makes more sense to me - notifications from the same app are kept together, I can quick view messages easily…etc. On iOS, grouping doesn't make sense - having three separate notifications for three different messages on Facebook Messenger is silly.

      Have you check your notification settings? Settings >> Notifications >> Stack. There's a heap of useful features in there from iOS 15 - more now that there's iOS 16

    • I dont think the initial galaxy phone's were in anyway better than iPhone's of the time. My first galaxy phone was the S2 and it had terrible fundamental issues, most glaring being the interference that you could hear clearly when your were plugged in to the 3.5mm jack everytime CPU frequency jumped as you did something and TouchWiz interface was a pile of utter gargage. Went back to my older iPhone 3GS and enjoyed it for a few years until I got the iPhone 4S which again was a much better offering than S2-S3 at the time.

      Apple was also stubborn about display size up until iPhone 6/6 Plus and you can clearly see the numbers being on par up until that time because there was just no option if you wanted a larger screen size. After 6/6 Plus there is no contest.

    • One of the biggest annoyances with iOS is the notifications on the lock screen. Such a poor user experience compared to Android! Can't wait until it gets overhauled.

    • I feel like you read my mind when writing dot point 2,3 and 4. My biggest gripes with the iPhone.

    • (iv) iOS's clunky notifications - Android's notifications menu makes more sense to me - notifications from the same app are kept together, I can quick view messages easily…etc. On iOS, grouping doesn't make sense - having three separate notifications for three different messages on Facebook Messenger is silly.

      Something I appreciate with my new phone though I haven't used it is notification history. Need to enable first in the settings.

  • +3

    Stop randomly turning on my GPS all the time when I need it for 1 app on the phone. Google just does this so they can build a more accurate advertising profile which provides value to themselves.

    Apple I just switch it on when using maps or when do something relevant, saves on battery too. Also it's easier to disable mobile data and notifications for individual apps without crashing the phone. Android feels like advertisers and Google are abusing my phone and using my data to suit their own interests. While with Apple it feels like the user has more control in that sense, even if not perfect.

    • +2
      • Android has had individual app permissions for 3-4 years now. Google doesn't need your GPS data to log who you are, everyone has moved on with crude profiling methods.

      • No, switching GPS off in Apple doesn't switch off location tracking. You are logging data elsewhere or with whom you communicate with. Again everyone has moved on with crude profiling methods.

      But I guess if it makes you feel better then yeah sure believe what you want.

      • +1

        But I guess if it makes you feel better then yeah sure believe what you want.

        I believe this is how they make money:

        Advertising remained the main revenue-generating segment for Google in 2021. During the examined year, 81.3 percent of Google’s revenue came from advertising on Google properties and YouTube. The Google Cloud revenue segment generated 7.5 percent of the company's revenues, up from 4.3 percent in 2018.
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093781/distribution-of-…

  • +8

    There's a lot Android gets right:

    • Simplified media transfer and internal file saving - you used to be able to just copy a media file or image to your phone like a USB drive - Apple never did this
    • Silencing SMS notifications during active calls - Apple took ages to implement this
    • No iMessage shenanigans - as a SIM changer the times I've had my iMessages send as an SMS or with my e-mail address instead of phone number is infuriating
    • Google Maps, Gmail and Google Chrome
    • Better PWA/web game support

    Here are the things it could do better:

    • OS updates separate from the manufacturer - this is a hard one because manufacturers like to customise Android but it's worth it - I'm constantly being locked out of the latest apps because the manufacturer stopped supporting Android upgrades of my device
    • Stop the slow - Android needs to more tightly manage apps so overall device performance doesn't degrade with time
    • Free the wallet - I want to add arbitrary passes without Pass2U - https://www.xda-developers.com/google-wallet-will-let-you-ad…
    • Customise the Google Assistant prompt - I should be able to address my mobile with one hello and my Google Home devices with another
    • More work on group-chats and a lightweight Messages desktop app - yes they've got the Messages web interface and it's good but it'd be nice to have an actual desktop app - Google is falling behind on messaging
    • Google Photos but with tighter controls on which images get stored locally and which go to the cloud
    • Delightful dev experience - neither platform does this but I'd say that Google has the most room to improve
    • Better spam call protection - Google could innovate and be the first to implement spam call challenges from certain shady numbers
    • "No iMessage shenanigans - as a SIM changer the times I've had my iMessages send as an SMS or with my e-mail address instead of phone number is infuriating"

      Google Workspace?
      They just resigned Gmail web for it and my Samsung phone installed the new app. Meet is the new "Duo". Its googles Imessage clone.

    • +1

      You can move photos to your computer just like a USB drive with iPhones. It used to be stuck using iTunes but hasn't been like that for a long time. You can also turn off iMessage if you don't like it. Apple Maps is easier to use, especially in the car over CarPlay. The only improvement that Google Maps has is it sometimes knows about businesses that Apple Maps doesn't. Google Maps has never got some directions right that Apple Maps has got wrong for example. (If Apple Maps can't find a business I search for I try Google Maps before looking up the actual address, it occasionally works). Even if Google Maps is better that isn't a reason to use Android, as you're free to set Google Maps as the default map app anyway.

      • You can move photos to your computer just like a USB drive with iPhones. It used to be stuck using iTunes but hasn't been like that for a long time.

        Actually now that you mention it, I think you're right. I used to like the uploading video which I couldn't do on iPhone in Flamenco airport in 2016. But I guess times change. AirDrop is pretty cool too and without a better Android solution (Bluetooth transfers just don't cut it).

        You can also turn off iMessage if you don't like it.

        The trouble isn't iMessage - I like iMessage and some people prefer it. The problem is last Monday I messaged a friend to say I'd come see them Sunday or Thursday as they were sick - got the "Who dis?" Then on Sunday I messaged again to say it would be the Thursday. Also got the "Who dis?" Because I swapped out the SIM to go out on the Saturday night, iMessage thought my iPhone number was no longer authorised and started to send iMessages under my cryptic e-mail instead of my phone number. If that lone authorisation issue was the end of it, I'd be cool. But I then also deal with numerous issues of it syncing with and being able to send SMSs and make calls from my (multiple) Macs. I also can't work out what exactly iCloud is backing up. Probably anything it can use to bill me for extra iCloud space.

        These things are very minor problems but yeah they're things Android can tackle to get out ahead.

        • +1

          AirDrop is pretty cool too and without a better Android solution (Bluetooth transfers just don't cut it).

          My POCO comes with a file transfer app that utilises WiFi Direct which is also what AirDrop uses. Lots of Androids now have this feature as well.

      • Even if Google Maps is better that isn't a reason to use Android, as you're free to set Google Maps as the default map app anyway.

        Tbh, the reason to use Android is always going to be https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/1qzc9i/oh_yeah…

        The question is, given that, what can Android do to encourage users not to pay the extra dough for an iPhone?

    • +1

      As someone that uses both Android and iOS, I do love being able to just plug in my Samsung device and browse it like a USB drive.

  • +6

    What Can Android Do to Win More Market Share?

    Sell iPhones

  • Google just needs to fix its image, now that its murdered every commercial fork and most Linux OS.
    Samsung who use to use non-android for budget phones in S.Korea, just killed its OS (outside of TVs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen

  • +7

    Google is an Ads company, user data is how they make money. Answer is never.

    • +3

      As if apple isn't making money from ads as well.

  • Your link is paywalled.

    Would probably work on iPhone though.

  • +6

    I am older than dirt and not one of the tech geniuses that have probably commented. Most of our devices are Apple not because of any great advertising or such just because as another responder said "they just work". We can't, or probably more to the point don't want to fiddle with settings and setups. I have an iPad, iPhone and a macbook. My macbook and iPad are about 10 years old and still working like the day they were bought. I did however get a shop to install an SSD drive in my macbook so now it is good for a few more years. I bought a refurbished iPhone which does me just fine.

    I love the connectivity and how everything just works in with each other with so little faffing around. The main thing for me though is the tech support. Even on my old devices you log in the website for someone to call you and it happens usually pretty soon as you get off the phone. They sort you out and know what they are talking about. I know you pay a premium but for something that lasts the distance and with great follow up support it is worth every penny. If you were some younger wizkid that loves to play with your tech stuff you probably like android but if you are old and just want quality that lasts with support when you need it I can't fault Apple.

    • +1

      We can't, or probably more to the point don't want to fiddle with settings and setups.

      I would argue that most modern Android smartphones don't require you to do so. Certainly with any of Google's own smartphones, you won't be needing to install duplicate apps or anything as such.

      • +3

        I agree based on my experience with a Nokia running close to stock Android.

        Sadly, the Pixel is almost the only phone once you move up market.

      • +2

        I'm convinced people who say "iPhones just work" haven't used a Android device in years. Also don't understand how they say android is "complicated". The two paradigms are pretty similar. Use the navbar on android and I'd like to know what exactly makes the iPhone easier?

  • Samsung could stop supplying screens and semi-conductors to apple?
    Apple is Samsung's biggest customer.

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