Australian Retailers Association Is Calling for Changes to The National Minimum Working Age to Be Lowered to 13

franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 05:15
Last edited 01/09/2022 - 09:53 by 1 other user

"An ideal model would be one where we allow 13- to 15-year-olds to work, with sensible regulations in place around not working during school hours or at times that would impact a young person's education," he said.

Mr Zahra said Australia was at a crisis point when it came to labour shortages with more than 40,000 vacancies in the retail sector.

This business body says children as young as 13 could be used to help solve labour shortages in Australia - Article Link

Australia sinks further & further into decline…instead of improving wages and work conditions to make retail jobs enticing, were going to have kids working instead? What?

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Comments

  • SBOB on 01/09/2022 - 06:45
    +1

    australia sinks further & further into decline

    Holy outrage Batman…

    You know just because some industry body comes up with an idea, it doesn't mean it's going to be considered or happen.

    Wont get any more traction than a smh news article, so you can now wind back your pearl clutching.

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 06:56
      -2

      cliche response….pearl clutching. lmao…ignores the huge media campaing being used to promote & publicise the idea

      The Australian Retailers Association (ARA) is the oldest, largest and most diverse national retail body, representing a $400 billion sector that employs 1.3 million Australians and is the largest private sector employer in the country. As Australia’s peak retail body, representing more than 120,000 retail shop fronts and online stores, the ARA informs, advocates, educates, protects and unifies our independent, national and international retail community.

      …this mob has a huge sway and is a persistent & powerful lobbyist of our political parties.

      ARA calls for national minimum working age
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-31/ara-calls-for-nationa…

      ‘We’re at crisis point’: Calls for Aussie kids as young as 13 to start work to address labour shortages
      https://7news.com.au/business/workplace-matters/were-at-cris…

      Children as young as 13 could be allowed to WORK as part of a plan to address Australia's labour shortage
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11162317/Labour-cri…

      Let us hire 13-year-olds, Australian retailers tell government
      https://www.9news.com.au/finance/retailers-13-years-old-how-…

      • SBOB on 01/09/2022 - 08:11
        +3

        so… the same 'source' sent out a press release to multiple newspapers and they created a story from it..
        Great.. its a news article. It won't be applied at a federal level just because some industry group sent out a memo

        Either way, you know the current minimum age in some states for employment is already at this level?
        eg. QLD
        Somehow you're outraged at an existing premise, thats controlled by the states…
        https://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/Find-legal-information/Work-….

        News article material to help 'rev up' the easily manipulated into outrage. Congrats on being an easy target.

        • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 08:56
          +1

          Exactly; this is just an example of how bad our "journalism" is these days.

          • SF3 on 01/09/2022 - 09:04
            +4

            @GG57: Maybe they’ll have 13 year olds writing articles, most probably less bias too.

            • donga100 on 01/09/2022 - 10:21
              +1

              @SF3: Better spelling and grammar too.

    • Danstar on 03/10/2022 - 08:28
      -1

      Instead of just trying to poke holes in this guys posts; why don't you just engage at the topic at hand? You never seem to actually have an opinion based on what his post is actually about. You'd rather just find ways to put him down; for what I'm assuming, to get some likes from your clique

      • SBOB on 03/10/2022 - 08:59

        why don't you just engage at the topic at hand

        You mean like my response directly above this one?
        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/12616424/redir

        With links to an actual example from one states employment laws?

        Even stranger you've made no contribution to this topic, offered no opinion, yet just posted to complain about mine. Thanks for contributing.

        • Danstar on 03/10/2022 - 10:12
          -3

          Cos sit out daily; anytime I do read a thread or comment by slavoz. Almost without fail you’ve followed him to give your peanut gallery replies.

          I didn’t read your contribution to the actual topic this time; congratulation for actually doing it. But majority of other times you just go in to pick a fight / degrade the guy.

          And yes; I come in to not defend his opinion, but to just try balance it up a little, as the majority of OzB’ers sway on one side of politics/opinions

          • [Deactivated] on 03/10/2022 - 13:25

            @Danstar: there are opinions, and there are facts. and unfortunately there are certain people on here that think their opinions are facts.

            • Danstar on 03/10/2022 - 13:37
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: Then engage with facts; from what I seen of him, most his posts are his opinions, which are neither wrong or right. Literally every post he makes, a certain few follow without fail.

              • [Deactivated] on 03/10/2022 - 13:52

                @Danstar: i would say he thinks most of his opinions are facts.

                in any case, are you saying that opinions can't be debated or discussed? and opinions can certainly be closer to wrong than right, and vice versa. like if i say it's my opinion that Antarctica isn't a real place, you're just going to accept it's my opinion?

                • Danstar on 03/10/2022 - 14:04

                  @[Deactivated]: They can be debated; but majority of the time they're not debated, they're just ridiculed to try get a few likes on their comments.

                  If you want to believe that, that's fine. Will it get you anywhere? No. So the best way to stop stupid opinions and/or beliefs is to ignore them and not give them any air.

        • Danstar on 04/10/2022 - 22:27
          -1

          Well at least you’ve avoided temptation to reply with peanuts :)

  • Sum-Ting Wong on 01/09/2022 - 06:48
    +17

    Sounds like a great idea. The way property prices are, these kids need to start saving their house deposit from 13yrs old anyway

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 06:50
      +5

      …they might be able to get their 1st home by retirement that way

      • [Deactivated] on 01/09/2022 - 07:08
        +1

        you're dreaming if you think kids today are going to be paying off their mortgage in their lifetime, unless they're richie rich, it ain't happening.

        • whyareyouthisway on 24/09/2022 - 11:09

          Yeah, trust me it won’t help, I started working at 13 years old and I’m 26 now, no deposit in sight.

        • SlavOz on 25/09/2022 - 09:54
          +1

          "You will own nothing and be happy" - words from the WEF whom our leaders happily endorse.

          They are openly getting rid of the middle class, so basically the West will be like a third world economy where you either have the rich elites or the slumdog poors. No more working to create an independent life for yourself.

          Somehow I feel like this is what people asked for and wanted. All the complaining about wealth inequality, it's too hard to work, wages aren't enough for my job that anyone can do, etc.

          • [Deactivated] on 01/10/2022 - 20:45

            @SlavOz:

            You will own nothing and be happy" - words from the WEF whom our leaders happily endorse

            source?

            • SlavOz on 01/10/2022 - 23:46
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: Words directly from their mouth my friend:

              https://sociable.co/business/wef-director-youll-own-nothing-…

              • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2022 - 00:39
                +1

                @SlavOz:

                words directly from their mouth

                and then you've gone and linked an article from a 3rd-party website, not the WEF. i don't think you actually understand what it means to provide proper sources and evidence. this isn't the first time you've provided secondary or tertiary sources and acted like it's a primary source either. do you actually know what it means to provide accurate sources? it's getting sad at this point.

                and the link they provide in the article that you've linked (your article being a secondary or tertiary source) is to a WEF webpage that doesn't even have the quote that you're talking about.

                slavoz jumping at shadows again, what a surprise. keep consuming bs that makes you mad, it seems to be healthy for you.

                • SlavOz on 02/10/2022 - 01:24

                  @[Deactivated]: A Marxist sticking up for the deep state establishment.

                  World class shilling at its finest.

                  • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2022 - 01:32
                    +2

                    @SlavOz: good response. i mean, why should you let facts get in the way of your opinions?

                    • SBOB on 02/10/2022 - 09:20

                      @[Deactivated]: The same as most that spout the 'you will own nothing and be happy' wef quote, they rarely know what the original source was or the context of the original phrase.

                      Here is the tweet,
                      https://web.archive.org/web/20200919112906/https://twitter.c…

                      the wef took down because they clearly could have worded it less 'click bait rage inducing'.
                      It's a dumb title, and as with all click bait, it's written to induce engagement and discussion. Due to being the wef, that's kind of a dumb position to take, but then again, plenty of large organisations make dumb decisions.

                      You'd think as a marketing person, if anyone understood click bait and how to identify click bait for what it was, it would be slavoz..but clearly he's not very good at his profession?

                      The link in the tweet was to a blog post, which was a piece on how the world/future could possibly look regarding population growth and sustainability.

                      A copy of the blog was captured by Forbes if you want to see the whole context.

                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s…

                      Written by one jnr member of the wef, but clearly it's the entire policy statement by the wef just hidden behind a blog post for an economic Forum
                      :/

                      Ida Auken is a Young Global Leader and Member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum

                      Additional info here:
                      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2…
                      (Ignoring the fact check stuff, or being rueters, as that will make slavoz mad, but the article contains context of the blog post and a quote from the writer)

                      Takes 1 minute to find the above info, but of course, easily click bait rage manipulated people don't actually read articles. Easier to just fall for click bait, and turn the rage receptors on.

                      Slavoz being cliche as usual.

                      (And me being bored enough on a Sunday morning to 'be open minded' like slavoz and do some reading :) )

                      • SlavOz on 02/10/2022 - 11:34

                        @SBOB: Someone's been reading too many Reuters fact checks lol.

                        For clarity, maybe people would be more inclined to take your posts seriously if you hadn't already defended a WEF spokesperson saying we need to "recalibrate" our human rights because they're a little too inconvenient.

                        But I'm sure that was misquoted too, just like everything that could possibly make the deep state establishment look bad.

                        • SBOB on 02/10/2022 - 11:49
                          +1

                          @SlavOz: Ignoring the fact check stuff, or being rueters, as that will make slavoz mad

                          The source links I posted aren't from that rueters link/article, and as I said, it was there to provide additional context on the author and the source for the initial blog post.

                          Someone's been reading

                          Shame you don't try it occasionally.

                          It's ok, I wasn't expecting your "open mind" to actually attempt to try and absorb or utilise the original source of information as some kind of 'fact' or to back up your statements with.
                          I'm happy for you to just go with essentially 'gut' as your source of all that is true and undeniable.

                          maybe people would be more inclined to take your posts seriously

                          Though thanks for hosting another irony class.. mark me down on the attendance role please.

                        • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2022 - 12:12
                          +1

                          @SlavOz:

                          Someone's been reading too many… fact checks

                          says all anyone needs to know about how you treat facts that negate your dumb opinions. sorry, facts don't care about your feelings.

                        • Ughhh on 02/10/2022 - 12:13
                          +2

                          @SlavOz:

                          maybe people would be more inclined to take your posts seriously

                          Thanks for the Sunday morning laugh.
                          Clearly projection. You're self awareness is hilariously lacking.

    • tomsco on 01/09/2022 - 08:46
      +4

      And according to the last guy, we don't have to limit to retail. Why not chuck them on forklifts in warehouses?

      • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:08
        +3

        theyd be quite nimble and agile….good candidates for the mining industry perhaps? didnt they used to use em back in the good old days that way?

        • tomsco on 01/09/2022 - 11:45
          +2

          Yeah. Chuck them on one of these

          • Ghost47 on 01/09/2022 - 17:07
            +1

            @tomsco: Hmm not a bad idea actually.

            We potentially have huge amounts of economic output going underutilised because businesses don’t hire children.

            I’m starting to think we need to put more children into the workplace now. If we hire more kids everywhere, we can boost our GDP. Other countries will be amazed and ask “how, when migration to Australia is an all time low, are you smashing your GDP numbers?” Then when we tell them the secret is to pay kids to work that could start a global revolution. Damn we are definitely onto something here! The future of global economic growth lies in hiring children for work.

            • DashCam AKA Rolts on 01/09/2022 - 18:32
              +1

              @Ghost47: Especially true for those now unemployed chimney sweeps. Some of those kids are getting too big to scramble up those sooty chimneys.

  • mskeggs on 01/09/2022 - 07:08
    +16

    My 13yro works on Saturday’s in a cafe. She likes the job and the money, and gets paid the award (that starts at 15yro).
    This is fine.
    The real problem is there are fewer international students, backpackers, over-staying visa holders and others who take crap jobs with no alternative. So the remaining low wage staff have been able to get better jobs, and those employers still paying base rate for bad jobs can’t find workers.

    Why are we asking our lowest paid locals to work for less to subsidise these failing business people?
    There are plenty of people around who will do unpleasant work for high pay - these employers have taken advantage of having workers over a barrel for too long.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/09/2022 - 07:11
      +2

      the problem is that business owners are in the same boat that we are, albeit with a lot more to lose. if things keep going the way that they're going, the only businesses left will be national or international conglomerate owned chains, the little guy just can't survive any more.

      not all businesses deserve to survive, but not all of them deserve to die

      • mskeggs on 01/09/2022 - 07:12
        +10

        Nonsense. Businesses are doing very well. There are some poor business people who made a business reliant on paying low wages to vulnerable staff. Stuff them.

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 07:24
          +1

          yeh sure they are ….spending is at an all time high because everyone is so comfortably off atm and its not like they were effected by 2.5 years of lockdowns in anyway either

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 07:28

      what job? it cant possibly be waiting or food prep?

      • mskeggs on 01/09/2022 - 09:29
        +2

        Waiter/Table service/clearing.
        No age restriction on this in NSW. They won't let her make coffee until she is older due to WHS.

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 09:41
          -2

          13 year old serving….? my times have sure changed.
          id walk out of a cafe or restaurant setting if a primary school aged child was bringing me food

          • mskeggs on 01/09/2022 - 09:44
            +4

            @franco cozzo: She is in Year 8 and is smart and hard working. I probably wouldn't age discrimminate in the same situation.

            • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 09:45
              -1

              @mskeggs: haha….discrimination or exploitation…?

              • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 10:01

                @franco cozzo: Surely (as a customer) it would be discrimination. What else could it be?

                • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:03

                  @GG57: lol….discrimination. are you going to say its ageist or something similarly ridiculous??
                  turning this into a victimisation scenario…gotta love it!

                  • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 10:06

                    @franco cozzo:

                    13 year old serving….? my times have sure changed.
                    id walk out of a cafe or restaurant setting if a primary school aged child was bringing me food

                    So, what is the reason you would walk out?

                    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:10

                      @GG57: well that would be its a stingy cafe paying the lowest possible wage and using children for what should be an adults role. simple.

                      • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 10:11

                        @franco cozzo: I accept that may be your guess as to why a Year 8 child is serving, but you wouldn't know that.

                      • donga100 on 01/09/2022 - 10:27
                        +1

                        @franco cozzo:

                        well that would be its a stingy cafe paying the lowest possible wage and using children for what should be an adults role. simple.

                        How do you know it's McCafe?

  • Benoffie on 01/09/2022 - 07:34
    +3

    Plenty of kids work and have worked. So what? Maybe if more did, they would develop a better work ethic.

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 07:35
      +9

      ….they want to replace adult retail positions with 13 year old kids, just so they can lower working standards and wages…and you dont think thats an issue?

      • sjj89 on 01/09/2022 - 09:56
        +3

        You’re really drawing a long bow mate

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:00

          its a logical conclusion to make….13 year olds are less likely to complain or organise and you can pay them a heck of a lot less. you also increase your labour pool which has undesirable effects for the able & willing workers that already occupy positions. its a lose for everyone except retailers and the gov

          • sjj89 on 01/09/2022 - 10:14
            +3

            @franco cozzo: It’s already a loss for anyone under the age of 21 being paid below full awards rates, regardless of experience. This is the real problem.

            The jobs people that young would fill such as big box retail and grocery are heavily unionised.

            I had a job at 13. Most of my friends at school started with small jobs at 13/14.

            • DemocracyManifest on 05/09/2022 - 21:38
              +1

              @sjj89: Problem is the SDA won’t do shit for them - RAFFWU have come out against this already, rightly so. Kids should be focusing on finishing their education, not being disposable labor for maccas and Kmart

          • Seraphin7 on 01/09/2022 - 13:13
            +1

            @franco cozzo: While 13 year olds are far less likely to complain or organise, ironically they are far more likely to "walk out" of unsatisfactory working conditions. Other than edge cases, these kids will be working to ear a little extra money and gain some basic workplace experience, but under the watch of parents.

            They are not there to "pay the bills" or otherwise "feel trapped" in their working environment. While obvious controls would need to be put in place as an extension to current arrangements, I can hardly see mainstream business suddenly turned into sweat shops filled with 13 year olds.

            • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 13:43
              +1

              @Seraphin7: no probs…..just churn & burn thru them. its a whole new labour market theyve discovered…kids

              • Ughhh on 01/09/2022 - 13:47

                @franco cozzo:

                churn & burn thru them.

                People, including kids, aren't sim cards. It cost money to go through the hiring process and to train someone.

                • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 13:48

                  @Ughhh: lol….'training'

                  • Ughhh on 01/09/2022 - 13:50

                    @franco cozzo: Like how to deal with whiney customers who complain about prices.

                    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 13:50

                      @Ughhh: i should want to pay 40% more because someone on ozb called me whiny…lol

                      • Ughhh on 01/09/2022 - 16:28

                        @franco cozzo: You still don't get it. You should do what every other adult does and just buy from another store without having a sook. Simple.

                        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 16:31

                          @Ughhh: you dont get it…i dont care what you think i should post or do. not a bit….get it, now?

    • Ghost47 on 01/09/2022 - 17:13
      +2

      I agree. Send the kids to school 9-3, then get them doing after school shifts from say, 4-10. 5 days a week should be good I reckon. Rinse repeat.

      Next someone needs to develop a drug that makes humans no long require sleep so we can work 23 hours every day. God damn I love capitalism, imagining the money I can make hiring children that don’t sleep…. I’ll be so rich.

  • Lovemydeals on 01/09/2022 - 07:47
    +9

    When there is an oversupply of workers, businesses have the pick of the bunch & take the staff willing to do the work for cheapest possible wage.

    Now that the shoe is on the other foot, businesses are crying woe is me, no one wants to work these days! Let's get kids at 13 to start work. Not like this will impact their schooling or they will be pressured to accept being put on shifts after school, impacting their studies.

    It's funny they haven't considered raising the wages.

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 07:49
      +1

      …yep all of a sudden we need increased immigration & lower working ages because there just arent enough workers here struggling already…really?

  • pegaxs on 01/09/2022 - 08:03
    +6

    Meh, may as well make it 6 years old… and then we need a national childs wage of $3 for the day, because nothing indoctrinates kids like slave labour…

    And if these places are struggling for workers, it’s because they have a wage shortage, not a worker shortage.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/09/2022 - 09:13
      +1

      because nothing indoctrinates kids like slave labour…

      or the schooling system

      • pegaxs on 01/09/2022 - 11:01

        Well, yes, this is also correct.

  • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 08:59
    +4

    It isn't mandatory though, is it?
    It would only be if the child, and I assume a responsible parent/adult, make the decision to avail of the opportunity.

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 09:43

      ….thats about 5 years down the track looking at the present day and were we are heading

      • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 10:04
        +1

        That may be your thoughts, but I can't think of why that would be the case

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:04

          your sarcsasm detector needs recalibration

  • mskeggs on 01/09/2022 - 09:43
    +3

    In NSW there is no lower age limit to work, though there are a few jobs you can't do for safety reasons.
    The lowest award wage tier starts at 15yro, however, which tends to put a floor under youth workers - who would pay a 10yro the same money as a 15yro?
    Big employers, like Woolies etc. have a minimum age policy (14 & 9months, I think) which is a holdover from the old days.
    I worked in the family shop when I was a kid, it didn't impact my schooling.

    I don't actually believe there is a big workforce of little kids. This is just another thought bubble from employers seeeking any alternative to being exposed to market forces that say they have to pay higher wages if they want workers.

  • Baysew on 01/09/2022 - 10:00
    +2

    The former Prime Minister was already across this idea - PM Asks Toddler Playing With Toy Cash Register If She’d Be Up For A Few Shifts At Woolies

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:01

      oh god betoota ffs…yawn. present day mate….albos in charge. wake up already

      • GG57 on 01/09/2022 - 10:09
        +1

        As you say, Albo is now in charge and to the best of my knowledge this proposal has not been approved by the relative authorities.

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:11

          and later …..youll be saying:
          'And heres why thats a GOOD thing….'

      • SBOB on 01/09/2022 - 11:18
        +3

        oh god betoota ffs

        from the person reading daily mail?
        at least one of the two admits to be satirical content…

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 11:19
          -1

          lol…so predictable all you lot can do is attack the origin of an article rather than the subject. so lazy & predictable
          theres a half dozen sources ranging from left to right in opinion & source….try harder

  • toomuchdogfur on 01/09/2022 - 10:13
    +2

    Younger people should be working… older people should be working… literally, let us do anything except offer better wages!

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:14

      we need 400K more immigrants too!…its a labour crisis!

    • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2022 - 22:23
      +1

      Lies. Politicians got their wage rise.

  • freefall101 on 01/09/2022 - 10:18
    +3

    The minimum working age in every state is already 13 or lower. Most states have no limit. What the ARA is really calling for is making children more useful workers to them.

    What is in place is restrictions to protect children. Under 15 they have to be supervised, permits are required, they can only do light work with limited hours, are given more breaks and are hard to use as replacement employees for someone over 15. Which is a good thing, kids should be allowed to get some work experience, support a family business and such but shouldn't be left alone in a clothing store to deal with customers by themselves or working a 6 hour shift after school.

    We're at a point where there are more jobs than workers which is a real problem, even higher wages won't create more workers. But man, the ideas these people come up with aren't very useful. Companies should be investing in automation instead.

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 10:20

      …well considered comment.

      except you lost me right at the end with the the bit about automation. cant agree there at all…just means less & less jobs that cant be recreated with the further rise of AI and tech taking over former human roles

      • freefall101 on 01/09/2022 - 10:56
        +1

        I'm one of those people who think the world shouldn't be based around working just for the sake of working. If we can automate enough that people don't actually have to work if they don't want to, why shouldn't we? Why torment ourselves like this?

      • Quantumcat on 01/09/2022 - 11:21
        +1

        Read about the Luddites

        New technology is a good thing, you can produce more goods with less labour. It is how humans have become more productive over the last few thousand years. It used to take a family's entire working year just to keep themselves fed and they'd be lucky to have straw stuffed mattresses to sleep on but now we have beautiful houses, furniture, a huge variety of tasty food, computers, books, etc. People are worried about losing their jobs, but new technology opens up new jobs and they'll be able to do something different that is now productive than what they did before. Nobody ever thought "electrician", "software engineer", "glazier", "bus driver" would ever be jobs a thousand years ago but look where we are today.

        • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 11:22

          and what to do with the 'useless eaters'?

          • Quantumcat on 01/09/2022 - 11:23

            @franco cozzo: I don't understand that sentence

            • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 11:25

              @Quantumcat: read up…

              • Quantumcat on 01/09/2022 - 12:21
                +2

                @franco cozzo: If there's ever a period of time where there is so little work that can be done that some humans don't have to work at all, that will be the pinnacle of human achievement. It won't happen though, when lots of people have spare time, some will be able to invent the next great technology which they wouldn't have been able to do previously with their 9-5 jobs.

                Technology will always march forward in this way. It has been happening since the dawn of humanity. As soon as someone invents something that means some people are out of a job or have to work less (with the help of the technology), that time is used to create the next technology that puts other people out of job or some other people needing to work less (with the help of the technology), which gives some people the time to come up with the next technology, etc. On and on into the future. It seems scary now because this particular technology is getting invented in your lifetime and feels particularly special but if you take a further back view of history you can see this has been happening continuously and it is not special.

  • netjock on 01/09/2022 - 11:37
    +1

    They could also suggest everyone spend less. Less foot traffic means less people required to service :D

    • franco cozzo on 01/09/2022 - 11:39

      less consumption would also benefit the environment and drastically reduce the effects of our changing climate.
      its the only decent thing for them to do

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