Why RBA did not see Inflation or when the Mortgage Pain will Stop?

UPDATE 25/07:
Right, so let me make it blunt and short because some of the comments suggest that many did not make it past the title (BTW, I am not in a mortgage pain because I don't have a mortgage and I am also indifferent to rates in real world because I trade with my money not keep it in the bank).

Short version:

  1. If you bought recently, did not lock the rate for 4-5 years and levered up to "nuts" level - you are probably screwed
  2. If you bought multiple properties within the last 1 year on leverage - you are screwed
  3. If you will need to sell within the next 2-3 years - you are f@cked
  4. Even RBA now confirmed this view - read between the lines, the link is at the bottom of the message

Why:

  1. There was NO real price discovery in the housing market in the last 2 years (I would argue, since 2008) - the price was a function of liquidity. Liquidity has now been drained out and we will only see a reduction of liquidity from now on and until something major breaks (i.e., massive credit event)
  2. RBA would know when to stop tightening AFTER the fact they broke enough things (including the housing market), because of their model and data driven process based on the lagging indicators (described below)
  3. Inflation will be sticky and will not go down easily unless we have a proper recession which will further tighten available liquidity (not only because the rates will go up but also because people will have much less disposable income after paying down for all necessities)
  4. If rates will go up to (let's say) 20102-12 levels and liquidity will go down, then it would be no surprise to see the house prices back at the 2010-2012 level. Where do you think all that bidding up would come from if rates are high and available money is low?

The end.


The markets are slow after yesterday’s moves and while I watch the paint dry tape, I decided to annoy you with another post of “many words”.

I told you about 1970s-style inflation coming many months ago – most just shrugged it off saying that they’d be just fine. Now we have every third post about cost of living and rising mortgage repayments. Some (50+ people, really?) even want to sue RBA claiming that they would not have got their multi-million mortgages when the rates were low if only <insert the condition> … or would they?

Do we need to blame RBA policies for our decision?

RBA (and FED) live in the world of averages, forward guidance, and credibility. They maintain their policies in line with a “control theory” that “works with a long and variable lag”. What would all that mean in the real world?

  1. Average is the most dangerous word in finance, right? Well, not if you are a Reserve bank. RBA will not run to raise rates if, i.e. oil hits $120 for the first time in years. They will do absolutely nothing if inflation spikes for one or two months (FED made it fashionable with their “average inflation targeting”). They will need the deviation to stay high enough for long enough to distort their averages in order to action because of the ….
  2. Forward guidance. In other words – take it slow and easy, like dating a beauty queen (especially in the light of the new Consent laws). Announce what you going to do next, then wait for a reaction, then announce a bit more and wait a bit more. If she doesn’t react – take another baby step… after announcing… and waiting. You move slow but extremely steady and with an absolute resolve because you must maintain your…
  3. Credibility. The markets know that RBA have got tools in their toolbox to maintain calm and order when it is required. And credibility is the one thing they don’t have anymore, and desperately trying to get their credibility mojo back.

Usually, the disbalances in the market work themselves out because participants know that FED (RBA) will make sure that deviations from averages will not last long enough because of their credibility (and the toolbox). In most cases, just a few words of that proverbial forward guidance is enough to discipline the market. But not now. Why is that?
Because we found out that while RBA (FED) have got their tools all right, they don’t have the guts to use those tools. Both institutions have chickened out when it was time to raise rates and preferred to air on the side of “inflation is transitory” based on reading of their averages against the base-effect from pandemic.

Now, in the “average” world there would have been some reasoning behind “transitory” argument, but we don’t live in the average world and there was not much common sense to wait for raising rates after seeing all that stimulus money working its way though pandemic-weak supply chains.

Lets, however, be honest and admit that even if RBA were to hike rates early enough, inflation genie would still be out of the bottle with hundreds of billions thrown on the bon-fire by federals and states alike (Fiscal is always inflationary). It was not the war or evil Putin, or supply chains - no. It was free money, near zero rates but, most importantly, our animal spirits that are to blame for this inflation.

What’s next?

Now RBA will overshoot in another direction and overtighten.

Remember that messed-up “Credibility”? They said that they will kill this inflation and you’d better trust them because credibility needs to be restored, even if it is done through blood and tears of most recent entrants into the property market. Not my words - https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/recent-home-buyers-most-v…

Make no mistake – RBA will need to kill demand to kill inflation. Exactly in that order.

Remember that “long and variable lag” from the top of the page? It means that when the policy is tightening, the first one to fall is growth and demand. The lag to kill growth is much smaller than a lag that is required to kill inflation. And the policy will need keep tightening for a long after demand is down and begging for mercy. After all, inflation is affecting everyone of us while only 10% are vulnerable to higher rates due to over-commitment on mortgages – again, not my words.

I told you some time ago that it might be wise to re-allocate and get out of the real estate market especially if you are leveraged to the eyeballs – I hope you listened.

Let's do some voting, shall we?

Poll Options

  • 152
    Inflation is killing my budget
  • 30
    Rising rates are killing my budget
  • 240
    Still don't care about inflation or interest rates

Comments

  • +18

    Q when the Mortgage Pain will Stop?
    A when we die….. living is suffering…

    • +14

      living is suffering…

      I take my 6am morning moccona intense as 3 tablespoon and topped with boiling water to remind myself of this everyday.

    • +1

      Wow, tough living you've got.
      Hope you are not working hard for it.

      • ‘Hardly working’ I believe in the saying

        Jks I work on average 50-60 hours a week

    • +4

      Existence is pain to a meeseeks!

    • Art is pain, life is suffering

    • +2

      Nobody is suffering mortgage pain…yet!
      Interest rates are still at all-time lows
      Its just a doom and gloom media hype.

      FACT 1 APRA forced banks to add a buffer of 2.75% to 3% over the then loan rates since about 2019. Prior to that people were assessed at 7.5%. So nill effect on most people until RBA rates rise well above 3% and/or mortgage rates go about 7.5%
      FACT 2 Most people have accumulated savings over COVID19 due to lock downs and inabiility to spend big and go on holidays
      FACT 3. The RBA have set rates at emergency levels for far too long so they must now return to "Normal". What that is depends on the inflation rate but a neutral setting would be same as the inflation rate. Anything beow is expansionary. Anything above is contractionary.
      FACT 4 Nobody suffered during the COVID19 lockdowns so why would they be suffering now.

      • +2

        Nobody is suffering mortgage pain…yet!

        I think you underestimate how many already had stretched budgets. You're not factoring in other living expenses that have skyrocketed.

        • +1

          Dear Teer3x.
          You obviously havent applied for mortgage and are just reading the "shock-horror" media hype.

          How many people do you hear complaining they cant pay thier mortage…none that I have heard.
          How many people are being forced to sell thier home? None that I know of
          How many mortgagee sales have you seen lately….None anywhere!

          Furthermore when you apply for a mortgage the bank factors in all your expenses then allows a buffer.
          Then on top of that you are assessed at 3% above the current rate

          I think its you underestimating how people are assessed.

          But maybe people just need to tighten their belts instead of complaining.
          Thats what the RBA is trying to get people to do

          But dont worry- you will well and truely know when people are starting to hurt
          Especially if you were in the proiperty market in 2009
          Mortgagee sales EVERYWHERE.
          Every street and every corner!

          Its coming. Just not until next year

          • -1

            @HeWhoKnows: I put mine voice here, struggling.
            Bought my property at low during the covid, thinking it cant get lower and interest is low, and not going to change for a 2024.

            Borrowed $80k from family and friends, to pay the 20% plus Stamp duty.

            After we bought the house, the price started rising, we thought to ourselves, all those favors we owe to family and friends were worth it, if we were just 2 months later into buy our house, we would never be able to afford it in atleast 5 years.

            Now we are fked.

            • -1

              @Vater Woods: If you had not bought, you would be renting and paying someone else’s mortgage. And check the rent increases over the last 18 months….. about 50% increase. Regardless how stressed you may feel from mortgage, you would feel the same from renting too if you had not bought.

              • @OZBsince2018: Paying $2-3k a month is totally different from pay interest + principal on 1 Mil and priority of $160k for family and friends ($130k balance atm).

      • lol FACT 2

        did you have access to other people's savings?

        people have already spent big on house renovations, new cars, holidays, etc.

  • +3

    This … is Sky News

    • +16

      sky news would have blamed labor already

    • No, but very well may be if their editorial reads this forum (I doubt)

  • +30

    All that text and no TLDR.

    Not to worry though, who doesn’t enjoy reading a giant wall of text that essentially boils down to a “i told you so” post.

      • +1

        Opt out of who you reply to on the internet, mortgage or no mortgage - you have a choice…

  • +8

    No RBA is not to blame.

    • +3

      Who are we going to launch a class action on then?!

      • +1

        Yourself as you cuss at yourself in the mirror every morning when you wake up.

        • I also like to add in a liberal amount of fist shaking as well

    • +1

      This is partly true
      The RBA dropped interest rates to near zero without proper justification and left them there for far too long so encouraging a massive debt binge and a property boom like no other to boot
      The RBA also suggested that interest rates would stay low forever so encouraging even more debt
      So yes they are very much to blame for this mess - good that Labor is launching an inquiry/investigation into the RBA.
      They all need to be booted out. So incompetent!

      But the Liberal Federal Govt also flooded the economy with free money, again without proper justification
      No means testing whatsover.
      Casuals got the same money as full time employees and doubled unemplyment benefits to boot…why???
      Rich people got the same money as poor people..again Why?

      So people are now going on a spending spree and so causing shortages and hence price pressure

      It was a free for all - unlike the COVID money that Federal Labor has forced to provide today complete with proper qualification and means testing which is what the (no longer conservative) Libs should have done. Thats why they lost thier supporters and got booted form here to timbuck 2

  • +3

    Yes, the RBA knew Russia would invade Ukraine and cause the oil prices to skyrocket…

    • +7

      To quote that great sage Don Rumsfield, "there are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

      The Russian invasion of Ukraine was a known unknown. It was one of the most predicted world events in recent history. The events that caused it started 8 years previously. The Russians had been threatening it for all that time. The Ukrainians had been saying they were being threatened with it. The Americans were warning that Russia was serious and preparing for it. It was the responsibility of the RBA to read the newspapers and warn of the consequences of it happening. Perhaps if they informed people in the rest of the world that it would affect THEM, they might have encouraged their politicians to do the little that would have been required to stop it happening.

      It wasn't like covid, which appeared out of nowhere and was a pandemic in months. That war was possible and likely for years. And knowing what the economic consequences of that were is EXACTLY the sort of thing economists are supposed to know, and tell the rest of us who don't know.

      • +1

        Covid was a known unknown.
        We've had several pandemics in the past, and plenty of lucky-incidents, we knew it was only a matter of time. As for covid19 hitting first-world nations, that was a known-known. There was intra-net chatter in China, which dated back to around September, and things got really fiery around November and it went mainstream on the dark-web. The media barely reported on it in January 2020, and the countries barely made policy decision until around April of 2020.

        So there was a good +3 month period of incubation in China, which has a huge population, lots of inter-travel, and not great healthcare. Then it had another +4 months for that to spread to first world nations, which is basically "too little, too late". So there is plenty of blame to go around and share with everyone: immoral censorship, incompetent public leaders, ignorant populace behaviour, etc etc.

        Countries previously affected by SARS were the swiftest to take action, whilst AU & NZ did act earlier than most as well and were "lucky". Most first-world nations suffered worse than those, whilst most second-world nations had little measures to do, and virtually all third-world nations too (starvation/war/other illnesses are a much larger health risk than covid).

    • Take a look at an oil graph and point to where Russia invaded Ukraine.

    • Energy, fertiliser, food & commodities were all going up long before the war broke out. It was as clear as day and a number of very astute people were saying it was the case, just like anyone with a brainstem knows the CPI is woefully inaccurate and inflation is much higher than they say it is (included whatever the updated figure is in a few days time)

    • I hope they knew it was possible.

  • Where’s uncle rekttrading when u need him

    • +4

      Too busy buying up ETH for the upcoming bull run

  • It’s a system and we are a part of it.

    System works when this components behave in ways that’s creates an outcome. If they don’t behave we have upset people are want something to blame.

  • +8

    because they don't care. they all make enough money that higher rates are not really a problem for them (isn't phil on a 400 k a year salary?) it only really affects the people who can least afford it, so no one they care about.

    it's not like they have to worry about their job if they perform poorly, as long as they don't show up to work with cocaine on their nose, whiskey on their breath and lipstick on their neck, they are not gonna lose their job. government jobs are far too secure, it's why we have such a shit one.

    • isn't phil on a 400 k a year salary?

      Closer to $1m actually

    • It sounds like you are in some pain.

      No, don't envy Dr Lowe - he is in a very tight spot between a hard place and a rock. Especially with a RBA review commission looming.
      I would not want to be an RBA boss right now. But he is gonna be all right.

      • +1

        these changes don't hurt me personally, as i am not saving up for a home or paying off a mortgage, but with these interest rates, inflation and the ridiculous housing prices, i don't see myself owning my own home unless i work myself to the bone until i'm dead, so i choose not to participate.

        he can retire easily after 1 year of work, i don't feel bad for him at all.

        • +2

          Your first paragraph is basically me haha. I could also buy one and rent it out to pay it off as my parents keep telling me but I refuse to do that. I'm not going to such great lengths to own a home such that to over pay and make someone else pay for half while working 20 years to give all this money to the previous owner who probably just paid half as much for it.

          • @[Deactivated]: yep, my grandparents bought a home 20 years ago for just over a quarter of a mill, it's now worth 1 - 2 mill, they haven't put that much work into it, the housing market is just that out of whack.

  • +5

    People want to ‘sue’ the RBA in the hope of getting cash: but the idiots signed contacts with their banks and it’s just going to go back to the PDS which states past performance is not a measure of future performance, yada yada. They made the choice to buy over inflated real estate, they were warned it was a bubble, and that they would be left with an asset worth less than the loan. Banks happily lent the money - even in some world where rates were paused to 2024 most would have barely made a dint in them anyway

  • +20

    Of course the RBA saw inflation coming. Everyone saw it coming. Why didn't the RBA act sooner and harder? It wants people to keep spending the free money they have given out to spend to prop up the economy and the government controlled property Ponzi Scheme. That's their priority.

    Whatever you do, just keep your job. If you still have a job you'll be alright. Just tighten your belt a little bit and you'll be fine.

    If you are over your heads with a mortgage well tough luck. You got sucked in because of the FOMO. I really hope Australia follows the other countries and raise rates higher and faster. We are still lagging by 1-1.5%.

    • you are really Dark, OZ

    • The dark truth unfortunately.

    • +1

      Yep, very close to my thoughts from 6 moths ago.

      Keeping you job will be another tough task in high inflation and high interest rates. The next jobless print will be higher and only higher from there on. Demand destruction does not come with full employment.

      • +3

        It’s not just the money printing free money hand outs but the free money from low rates after the GFC and ultra low rates after Covid. The RBA wasn’t caught sleeping at the wheels. It was caught with negligent driving by not applying the brakes earlier and harder.

    • Yet America is still facing the lowest unemployment in decades. There's a chance that it might not go that way. Companies have learnt how hard it is to get employees back after firing them after COVID.

  • +6

    Damn. Gotta get my tiny violin out after only just putting it away yesterday for the guy that wants to class action the RBA.

  • +17

    Blame them for decreasing interest rates in the first place.

    • -1

      Pretty much this.
      In my understanding, they kept it low during the pandemic so people will invest on anything other than bitcoins lol

      Now local and foreign economy has changed, so they need to change it match the current conditions.

      Before blaming on RBA , I think you should enrolled in a economic related degree.

      • +3

        Nah, anything including shitcoins - because ATO wins if you do (yes not RBA but still govt)

      • +3

        In my understanding, they kept it low during the pandemic so people will invest on anything other than bitcoins lol

        Low interest rates made it more attractive to invest in crypto as everything else had such low returns. And keeping excess money in the offset wasn't saving much, may as well do something risky with high returns.

        • Partially -yes.

          Crypto is an "edge investment". People have flocked into crypto only after everything else had bid up in a massive way.
          And it was the first to fall on a rug-pull.

          • +1

            @ALesha77: Yep. The irony of the "currency not dependent on fiat" is that fiat changes are actually amplified in the crypto markets.

    • You do what you have got to do.

      They did that because their models told them so.

  • +1

    I don’t understand the idea of conflating the federal reserve and the RBA.
    They oversee different economies, and respond differently.

    Where is the wage growth that will fuel inflation here?
    Inflation is evidently transitory, there isn’t a second pandemic to cause another round of chip shortages, there isn’t another flood to damage lettuce crops (ok, bad example!).

    And where are the real estate price falls?

    • +5

      Oh my god you didn't just ask them to say more walls of text on this subject

      • +14

        I'm genuinely keen to understand an Australian perspective on this.
        I think the inflation scare is being massively overhyped by people in the finance field, reading the gospel from America about the terrible state of inflation.
        And it is having an effect, with rates rising as they keep bleating for it to be adressed.

        Iceberg lettuce was $6 at Woolies yesterday. Up from $4 a year ago. The oak lettuce I bought was $3.50 against $2.50 a year ago. These prices are up, but down from where they were 3 weeks ago.
        Even oil is 15% off recent highs.

        None of these have anything to do with inflation that can be targetted by the RBA (or the Fed) raising rates, unless they raise them so far a meaningful number of people stop driving and eating lettuce from poverty.

        In 2000, we had transitory inflation when the GST was added. OMG! Inflation printed at 10%!!!!
        But, of course, it didn't go up 10% the next year too.

        There will always be price shocks, but we have an open market economy to foster competition to drive costs down. I don't see where the fear is.

        An example, we like to have a biscuit with a cup of tea in the evening. Arnott's have stopped discounting the cream biscuits to $2 on special. They are $2.50 now. There is no reason in the world for Arnott's/Woolies to raise biscuit prices 25% except desire for profits. Inputs might be up a few cents, but 75% of the retail price will still be margin. So I have been going without some nights, other nights having a slice of home made cake, other nights one of the generic brand biscuits.

        This costs Arnott's 100% of it's profit every time I choose something else. They would rather have 75% of a lower profit and me buy their bicuits again. That is how competion works. Who will bend first? Me or Arnott's? Maybe they should ask Riviana foods after they doubled their price of popcorn kernels in 2014 if I have a long memory and a stubborn streak.

        Show me some wage rises and I will have a concern about inflation.

        All that said, I applaud the RBA for raising rates - they ran 0.10% rates way too long, and set stupid expectations. There was a post recently about somebody being able to cope even in the outlandish world of 6% home loans. That should be the average not the ceiling, if we don't want to impoverish our kids for generations to come on over priced housing..

        TL:DR - I am also guilty of walls of text!

        • +2

          I'm with you, and agree inflation is over-hyped in general.
          I also think there are corporate boards around the country grinning and saying "Super, now that everyone knows about and expects inflation, we can increase the prices that we have been wanting to do for 3 years now, and say 'oh sorry, inflation', and everyone shrugs and gets on with life". Like software prices increasing 30% for digital distribution, are you kidding me? There is absolutely no reason why the input costs have gone up that much, it's just profiteering.

          • +1

            @moar bargains: Well, I hate to disappoint you but it does not work this way.

            Large corporations don't like raising prices at all because that will affect growth and earnings which will immediately reflect in share price and CxO comp. Big NO.
            if you tracked economic releases you would have noticed that PPI (producers inflation) is higher than CPI (consumer). Companies actually took it on a chin (their margins) to not pass the higher prices for as long as they could.

            • +1

              @ALesha77: You claim:

              Large corporations don't like raising prices […] because that will affect growth and earnings.

              I don't follow your logic at all here. Sure companies will be hesitant to increase prices when they are in a fiercely competitive industry, like telcos, or perhaps banks. But when they are in a dominant market position, they will happily boost profits any way that they can. Perhaps price increases is the least preferable of those options, but share prices follow (expected) profit growth, and profit growth follows earnings growth. You may need to rethink your argument that growth in profits is bad for share prices.

              You see bud, the problem with making claims based on data, is that other people can go and check them. So I did exactly that. I went and downloaded the PPI and the CPI from the ABS. Credit to you, I didn't know about the PPI previously, but I was suspicious that prices have been so willingly absorbed as you claim. And lo and behold, of the 17 quarters of data I downloaded back to March 18, in only 5 of them PPI outpaced CPI. And one of those quarters was June 20, when they both went through the floor, but CPI went less bad. So let's just ignore that one shall we? I would say that PPI being higher on 4/16 occasions is showing a different trend than the one you have proposed.

              Do you per chance work for an organisation that starts with a "B", and ends with "usiness Council of Australia"? Wanna have another go?

              Also, side note. If we're choosing animal spirits, can I be like an orca or something? That'd be awesome :)

              • @moar bargains: You are mixing a lot in one line of thought and that explains the outcome.

                Both PPI and CPI are the rates of change and what you need to know is that not every period is the same.
                In order to understand the economy you need to break the periods into the four quadrants as qualifiers of the economic situation with inflation, deflation, goldilocks, reflation. Inflation and growth and their rate of change in each quadrant.

                So, the most interesting part is when growth is scarce (going down) and inflation is high (going up) - this is a period when the corporations will likely take it on a chin to protect the overall revenue streams (and this is what I was talking about above). This is exactly where we are now. Deflation is a similar scenario but with growth not affected as much.

                In Goldilocks and Reflation, you can knock yourself out and do what you have to do - the customer will most likely absorb it.

                Also, just as a friendly advice - track US data rather than AU, you will get a much better understanding of what is really happening.

                Here is a chart with cumulative values of PPI and CPI to illustrate my point. Only the goldilocks period from 2016 to start of 2020 has CPI and PPI going together, other times PPI exceeding CPI means that companies prefer to take it on chin for a period of time but DON'T expect them to do so forever obviously.

                https://www.tradingview.com/chart/mhCsH3rd/?symbol=FRED%3APP…

        • You are focused on wages but there are plenty of other ways to inject liquidity that will lead to inflation.

          Also, 10% CPI prints cannot last for long - CPI is a cumulative, not a total rate.

          Low inflation is required because we have a debt-based economy and it will not grow in deflation. Exactly for the same reason, high inflation is an absolute killer and this is why RBA (as the FED) are now hell-bent to fix it. Stock market was the first victim, RE market is next.

        • Inflation is generally not a big deal until very suddenly it becomes the biggest deal. This 'blows up suddenly' risk is why governments move hell and highwater to ensure it doesnt even get close to blowing up as hyperinflation is the one thing almost guaranteed to topple governments (more than war, famine, plague).

      • +4

        Pretty sure OP is just going to keep giving us more blogposts regardless.

        Because all of OzBargain is their blog, after all. This is @ALesha77's blog, and we are an asylum.

        • +1

          I was amused by the recent (and perhaps optimistic) "If this comment gets 50 likes I will write a post on the subject" announcement they made during a recent discussion..

          But still, I guess if I don't want to look at this stuff I don't have to.

          • @Crow K: You amuse me well.
            Especially with your last comment and your good memory about all my comments - I got an avid reader!

        • No, you are not.
          You are my amusement.

          • @ALesha77: Thanks for the feedback :)

          • +1

            @ALesha77: sneed

            I'm genuinely curious though, why not post this on r/AusFinance or something? You'd get more attention to it that way and you'd be among your own people. You seem to put a lot of effort into your econ fanfiction posts and I feel like we're just hurting your feelings by replying with "lol tl;dr I'm not reading that". Just looking out for ya, chief.

        • +1

          Incredibly comfortable with the understanding you're the exact opposite of an internet cat video.

          • +1

            @Crow K: Op simply has a superiority complex.

            • @brendanm: I might as well have one but what is more clear is that YOU don't have any interest in learning about the economy (looking at you comments) hence an exit door. Why bother leaving comments that don't bring any value into the conversation?

              • @ALesha77:

                YOU don't have any interest in learning about the economy

                Lol, I know enough about the economy to get me by. The bigger question, is why on earth I would listen to a random person spouting random nonsense about it on ozbargain.

                Telling people to sell investment houses in a period of lowest rental vacancy, and highest rent prices for a very long time/ever. Solid advice 😂

    • Monetary policy works similar ways in similar economies.
      RBA gives less forward guidance compared to FED - otherwise they seem to have similar process and same response reaction.

      There is no to anemic wage growth in AU.
      This inflation was boosted by stimulus and extra leverage and will be "transitory" in a couple of years provided there will be NO further fiscal. If you look at it this way, everything is transitory.

      RE price falls already in progress. Next phase is the recent entrants wipe-out (RBA deputy governor delivered the message)

      • Did you expect the QE after the 2008 financial crisis to generate inflation?

        It certainly generated asset inflation, but not CPI.
        Why did the extra liquidity generate CPI now? Or could it be because of supply crunch, not liquidity?

        • +1

          I explained my thoughts on QE here - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/694076

          My view on the reasons why it was different this time:
          1. Massively overdone fiscal
          2. Rates lowered to 0% bound incentivizing near broke people to bid up because they could leverage to the eyeballs
          3. Another QE program
          4. TFF (AU), PPP (US) and other bankruptcy protection schemes that removed zombie-recycling
          5. All of the above happening at once

          Where do you see real GLOBAL supply crunch now? Or have seen one in the last year? Other than Putin mulling over cutting off gas to some part of Europe (and even that not happened yet).

          • +2

            @ALesha77: I still think you are mixing up liquidity feeding into asset price inflation with the causes of CPI rises.
            Balance sheet expansion has been massive for years, admittedly hitting stupid new heights during the pandemic, and correlates with asset price inflation.

            The last year has seen oil supply constraints via sanctions on Russia, choke points due to COVID for everything from computer chips to lumber to meat processing to produce harvesting.
            Mix in the Ukraine war impact of grain export, logistics bottle necks stacking up containers, lockdown interruptions in China, air freight restriction (you still can't airmail a small packet from Japan), Adblue shortages, and supply disruptions in just about every industry.

            Frankly, the idea that you have missed or dismissed these countless supply interruptions makes any conclusion about what is driving CPI very suspect.

            And it seems very likely to me that the thing driving CPI is all this supply disruption, not the liquidity in financial assets.

            Go and try to buy a new car, get a kitchen renovated, order a sofa that is made in China, or get a replacement part for something a little unusual.

            • @mskeggs: No offence but if you discard liquidity then you don't really understand the money flows and the reasons behind currently high CPI. I will put it in a couple of points below and if you still don't agree - fine by me.

              Central banks are very open about why they lower rates and do QE infinity - they openly say that they want higher spending and economic activity due to a "wealth effect". Additionally you need to understand the difference between monetary and fiscal where fiscal is money directly in the hands of the cohorts with a higher propensity to spend.

              I would agree that supply constraints are not helping BUT creating a lot of stimulus to spend at the time of a shut-down economy was the stupidest idea ever - central banks should not have lowered interest rates to 0. Giving away "free money" was the pinnacle of stupidity - all "zombies" should have been washed out of the system. This is what healthy capitalism is all about,

              If we had only supply constraints and no stimulus or free money - yes, a very short term inflation would have been transitory and a sharp but rather quick recession would have been very healthy for worldwide economy and would have killed what was remaining from transitory inflation in the process. Most of us would have re-emerged much stronger on the other side of this (with an exception of overleveraged investors). But NO, we cannot allow an overvalued collateral wash-out, hence the reason for the higher inflation in the first place.

              Why the higher inflation will stay? Look at the fiscal again. Brilliant new government is committed to fighting inflation with more hand-outs. There is more to come.

              With all that excess in the system, rates should have been at double digits months ago to have a fighting chance against inflation.

              If RBA will chicken out and stop raising rates - then we are properly f@cked with a multi-year stagflation being the next stop.

              • @ALesha77: When did Euro countries hit zero bound? Years before COVID.
                I’m happy to agree that easy money has fueled asset inflation, but the thing that changed is supply constraints.
                Central bank printing has gone brrr since 2008. Yes COVID amped it up a notch, but that easy money has fed assets for over a decade, with near zero inflation in consumables.

                COVID introduced supply constraints, which caused buyer demand competition, unlocking price rises.
                Take away the constraints and the prices will fall again, even with accommodative central banks.

                Treating inflation in Australia as something other than transitory will prove a bad mistake for ordinary people.

                As for asset price inflation and the related zombie businesses and capital crashes to spur innovation? Sure, I will agree that QE broke these. But it isn’t what is driving higher lettuce, fuel, kfc, car, console or other CPI growth.

    • Yeah re focus on the USA, they are basically the worlds default currency. Investopedia kinda sums up why this is the case https://www.investopedia.com/terms/forex/a/aud-usd-australia…

  • +4

    Only an idiot would take out a huge mortgage on an unrealistic mortgage rate not knowing it would always go back up to 5% ish after COVID. If everyone stopped buying everything from cars to caravans etc at COVID prices they would come down to what they are actually worth. Tradies wouldn't be able to extort everyone with rediculous rates based on demand. Unfortunately higher wages brings greater buying equals increased prices equals inflation.

  • +11

    when the Mortgage Pain will Stop

    It hasn't really started yet

    • It will get worse in coming months but people are not happy.

  • TLDR??

    • +4

      OP warned you to get out of property, its your own fault if you still own a house.

      • +1

        I never told anyone to sell their primary place of residence.
        Investment is a different story - you need to know the drivers of the markets you are in.

        • +2

          Most people that are / will be in mortgage stress, or most worried about cost of living increases are not the ones with investments in real estate.

          Sure your advice might have be good for a small minority of investors. But not good advice for most.

          • @fourofjacks: Oh, I have told people months ago to think very well before getting into an overheated property market and what will be a result of inflation - a deleveraging bust, increased cost of living and a tanking job market (this is yet to come).

            And I remember getting absolutely idiotic comments on par with what I get now but please don't say that I did not have a good advice for all aspiring home owners months ago.

  • its the people fault who dont know what is saving. spend the salary each month, buy things from ozb, having children, car, iphone, before can afford a house, etc.
    when something bad happening then go to government asking help.

    in my opinion if you out of work for 3 months and struggling that means you dont have enough saving and its your fault!

  • +1

    when the Mortgage Pain will Stop

    Why did you borrow so much? IR had always been planned to go up, if not today, then in 1-2 years at least.

    • I am debt free. You must confused me with someone else.

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