What’s The Appeal of Euro Cars

Howdy all

I’ve been looking at cars lately and was wondering what the thought process is when someone opts for a European car over an Asian (namely Korean and Japanese) alternative.

I don’t understand the logic. When new, model for model spec for spec the Euro car is at least 10k more in more cases like 20k more and in some cases almost double the price. And it’s not like the euro car has more tech or features than the Asian car.

Then there’s the depreciation which is ungodly. For instance F30 3 series are under 20k these days even with the Covid tax. That’s over 50k lost value.

Then in the used market there’s the reliability, VWs, BMWs, Mercs, Fiats and Audis dominate the worst cars lists in almost every category. They just seem to fall apart after a few years.

I can understand when buying an uber luxury or sports car that’s well over $100k, they bring a level of engineering, sophistication and style that the competition can’t necessarily match but when in comes to the mainstream normal every day cars I don’t get it. Why would someone choose to buy an Audi Q5 over a Mazda CX-5 or if you want luxury a Lexus RX. The Japanese/Korean car will almost certainly last longer, be more reliable, hold its value better, way easier and cheaper to maintain and straight up cheaper to boot. I just don’t understand.

Can people tell me why someone looking to buy a mainstream car would choose a European brand. Cos from a rational perspective it just doesn’t make sense, even when it comes to justifying it by it comes with that European cachet. Because it’s just a mainstream car that’s more expensive, its not some exclusive, sophisticated, cool whatever.

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  • -4

    Japanese > Euro > Korean
    .

    • +1

      You got that that 180 degrees the wrong way around.

    • -1

      Maybe 10 years ago

  • +6

    They drive better, and generally have better interiors. Lots of the time have more power than similar Japanese/Korean offerings. Generally better brakes. Nicer suspension.

    This is assuming you aren't getting a base model euro shitbox just for the badge.

    Neither is "better" just comes down to what you value. Euros will be more expensive to own generally, but not by much if you know not to get ripped off, heaps of OEM supplier stuff available at a fraction of the cost.

  • +4

    Most european cars are just better drivers car. But it comes with a cost and reliability is a different story as well!

    • +20

      Most european cars are just better drivers car.

      Then how come the wipers come on every time I indicate to turn?

  • +20

    I own a euro car and euro bikes because I am a masochist and I have nothing better to do as a mechanic than to spend most of my weekends fixing my car and bikes. I have owned a lot of euro cars in my life, but only because I have the means to look after them without them costing me my arms, legs and/or a kidney or two.

    I am sure that in Europe, where competition is much greater, that these cars are a much more viable option than Japanese and Korean cars, but over here, they are just shitboxes. Parts supply, lack of servicing options, lack of trained staff and an air of smug European arrogance all adds up to a painful experience over the long term.

    It’s basically 50years of marketing them as “luxury” that people just accept Euro trash wagons in any form as “luxury”. While some brands and models are, some brands most definitely are not and should not be thrown in the “but it’s European, so it must be good.” basket. There is no way that I would throw Peugeot in the same basket as BMW just because they are both euro brands.

    People who want a car for transport and reliability and don’t care what others think, usually end up buying Asian manufacturers vehicles. People who think they need to show off or have a need to be noticed will buy Euro cars and then continue to tell every (both those that listen and those that don’t) all about their car and how they can afford it.

    • +2

      Yeah that’s the vibe that I get. There’s this notion superiority even when they’re just shitboxes that have depreciated off a cliff.

      No amount of evidence otherwise would convince them to look at the alternatives.

      • +3

        No amount of evidence otherwise would convince them to look at the alternatives.

        This also applies to you as well though - at the end of the day, a car is just a car, drive what makes you feel happy. I don't see the point in belabouring the point and trying to do A/B testing of different car models.

        • +2

          Exactly this.

          It makes them happy.
          Its presumptuous of you to assume they haven't looked at alternatives.

          Who are you to judge the merits of their purchase based off your personal criteria?

          As my circle of friends have gotten older and more established, all types of cars are bought.
          Though you might give them a ribbing for the service costs, i guarantee, none are doing it for often 'badge /snob' value.

          If I needed a small used SUV and the choices are between the old shaped RAV4 and and the same aged Tiguan, im going the Tiguan.
          Because that RAV4 is so ugly that i would hate looking at it every morning.
          Would that make me a poser for not choosing the RAV4, which in your narrow set of criteria is a better option?

          Think you need to re evaluate some of your biases

          • @locosam: If that was your reasoning for choosing that particular then no you’re not necessarily just choosing that car just for the badge. However even with that reasoning you’d be willing to trade off looks for potentially having to deal with an endless myriad of issues? (Not necessarily going to happen but the risk is higher)

            Also from that example there wouldn’t be other alternatives? CRV, Tuscon, Sportage, CX5?

            I had an old colleague that was looking at a small or medium SUV and she was looking at the Tiguan, I was able to steer her away and she ended up getting a Honda instead. By the way this was to be her forever car she about to retire she wasn’t looking to replace it in 3-5 years

            • +3

              @maxyzee: My point was that everyone has their own criteria for their choice.
              Better value or longevity may not be a factor for them, but it doesnt make their decision less legitimate than yours.

              Your first post reduces down to 'Buying an euro car is an irrational decision', which shows you dont really care why people are buying them, but moreso, a question of validation on why your selection criteria is different from theirs.

              For example, you purchase a Stinger over an M4 because you perceive it as better value, but tell that to the M4 buyer who might have had an E30 poster on their wall as an 8yr old saying that one day when he makes it, he's going to buy one.

              Or someone else may say, why would i want a Stinger when i can buy a V8 commodore and modify it to be faster and more track ready for a cheaper price, because they're a track junkie and a Stinger wont cut it.

              Examples can go on endlessly.

              • @locosam: Sorry I mustn’t have been clear enough in OP. My purchase of the stinger was based against similarly priced competitors and also similarly performing competitors. If I compared it to the M4 of course it would win in almost every metric it’s a way higher performing car. What I would compare it against would be the 340i xdrive or S5 Sportback but those are about 50k more than the stinger.

                For a similar price I could have gone the VW Arteon but that’s way down on power compared to the stinger and still would be more expensive when optioned up to the same level as the GT.
                My point was what’s the rational when buying a bmw, merc, VW etc it’s lower down the stack.

                If I didn’t care about money then he’ll yeah I’d get an M3/4 in heartbeat. But that’s not financial position as of yet.

                • +1

                  @maxyzee: The rational is that they don't care about the same things you care about.

                  You wanted a powerful car for the price you were willing to pay.
                  Great, glad you found something you were happy with.

                  Others buy a 340i for 50k more, because firstly they can afford it, and it makes them feel happy.
                  Maybe their leasing for tax, or its part of their business, it doesnt matter.
                  If they are in that financial position, then why not.

                  Its not an irrational decision as you suggest.

                  Maybe one day you become financially independent because you worked your ass off and buy an M4 as a reward.
                  Then imagine someone (who you know cant afford one) says, you could've bought a Stinger and saved so much money you poser…

                  • @locosam: Since when I’m accusing someone that got an M4 as a poser. I just mentioned that I would happily buy one myself.

                    Secondly I would never say that to someone who bought an M4 cos the stinger is in a different category of car all together. There isn’t much competition in that price/performance range. Maybe an RC F from an Asian brand but that’s about it. It’s just the C63 and RS5 that I can think of that are similar.

                    If someone bought a 340i then great, I’m just asking what the rational is if there is a similar competing product from 2 aspects. 1 price and 2 reliability/dependability

                • +2

                  @maxyzee:

                  My point was what’s the rational when buying a bmw, merc, VW etc it’s lower down the stack.

                  It depends on what you mean by "lower down the stack" - there are different metrics by which you can value cars (like any other goods). Since you're too emotionally charged with cars, let me give you another example - food.

                  Some people like to have a good experience when dining out (good atmosphere, service, location, presentation), others like to have good tasting food, others may value nutritional value / health, others may value speed (e.g. just want to eat as quickly as possible and get out), others might value financial value (i.e. best nutrition to cost ratio).

                  It doesn't make any of these choices "wrong", just different. For example, my wife likes to eat out, try new foods, likes the whole "atmosphere" thing, whereas I'm happy eating meat pies and sausage rolls with a can of coke for the rest of my life. On the other hand, I like tech and will always buy the latest (and generally pretty expensive) gadgets like phones, tablets, smart watches, laptops…etc., whereas my wife is happy with her 4 year old computer. We like to spend money in different ways.

                  It's the same with cars.

                  At the end of the day, you are being disingenuous - you are not here to "learn" about why people may want to choose a Euro car. You say it in your OP:

                  Cos from a rational perspective it just doesn’t make sense, even when it comes to justifying it by it comes with that European cachet. Because it’s just a mainstream car that’s more expensive, its not some exclusive, sophisticated, cool whatever.

                  You just want to berate people as stupid, unsophisticated, idiots who are just chasing some "cachet" or brand. I struggle to see why this triggers you so much, but I hope that you find peace in knowing that you're a smart dude who drives a Kia. I drive a Toyota myself, but I couldn't give two kahoots about what other people drive. I just assume they have their own preferences and hope that they enjoy what they have.

                  FWIW, I'm sure that if we dug through your expenditures, there would be plenty of things you spend money on that can be considered "irrational" - I just don't see the point of this "gotcha" game.

                  • +1

                    @p1 ama: people place different values on different things, these threads invariably end up with very emotive responses with people trying to ram their values down other's throats. is a BMW nicer to drive than a camry? objectively speaking anyone who says no obviously has never driven both and probably drives a camry. is it worth the extra 30-40k? not to me but that entirely is entirely subjective. what my neighbour parks on their driveway is none of my business and the opinion of anyone who is impressed by a badge isn't worth much

    • +1

      I've seen alot of euro forums with many unsupervised comments, and its full of euro cucks with too much pride for their country

    • -2

      Peugeot aka poo-jets are terrible……

      Peugeot is to European as is Cherry is to Asian cars

      • Not even a remotely close comparison based on recent offerings.

  • +2

    I agree with many of your points, you have to understand depending on culture and upbringing some of these European cars are viewed as success in family and friends.
    Those that can afford these fair enough but unfortunately many put themselves into unneeded debt etc in order to impress others.

  • +1

    I want to be seen coming out of a Mercedes and it gives the perception of success. Call me materialistic but everyone buys something for a different purpose there is no right or wrong reason.

    • +2

      I want to be seen coming out of a Mercedes and it gives the perception of success

      I hope it's not an A class 🤣. No one is impressed by base model euros.

      • -1

        Where would you draw that distinction?

        For me it has to be AMG anything below that there are just so many better options.

        • +1

          AMG is icing on the cake. For me any modern Mercedes is fine. I dont drive an A class but I would take a base A class over an Asian hatchback anytime. It is just more premium on the interior. End of the day, it is whatever the buyer is comfortable with. Just a personal opinion.

          • @KaTst3R: Yeah I guess it’s whatever your preference is. But rationally speaking is a base A class gonna be that much better than a Mazda 3 Astina or ZR Corolla etc?

            • +1

              @maxyzee: If you are looking at both vehicles as something to get you from Point A to Point B, then no difference. But if you value design and art, then yes. One single display panel is futuristic. The jet engine propulsion looking air con vent looks better IMO. Interior ambient light on Mercs are amazing. All these are just my preference, looks are subjective. There is a market for both sides of the fence. If its worth an extra 20k to 30k for these? For me yes probably, maybe not for the person who is opposite me at the road intersection. Maybe he/she likes the simplicity of a ZR Corolla.

        • Where would you draw that distinction?

          When it's better to drive than the equivalent.

          For me it has to be AMG anything below that there are just so many better options

          AMG is just performance. Have you actually driven any of these things?

          • @brendanm: So would a base A200 be better to drive than a Mazda 3 Astina?

            And yes I have. Yeah they do bring a really high level of performance and refinement, the A45 was an absolute weapon but couldn’t justify buying one.

            • +1

              @maxyzee:

              So would a base A200 be better to drive than a Mazda 3 Astina?

              I'm not a Mercedes fan, so it wouldn't be my choice. "Better" is, as I said, subjective. I do not know what these things have as inclusions, and don't really care.

              And yes I have. Yeah they do bring a really high level of performance and refinement, the A45 was an absolute weapon but couldn’t justify buying one.

              Generally the more performance oriented, the worse the ride is, so depends what you value. Everything is a compromise.

            • +1

              @maxyzee: I've owned and tracked several AMG's and without going into detail, AMG is my least favourite performance sub-brand on the track. The A45 is definitely not an 'absolute weapon', I'd pick your Kia Stinger GT over an A45 any day.

        • +1

          AMG A45 …… are you a real estate agent?

      • +2

        Interestingly, my neighbour drives an a200 base model. Another neighbour said in passing, “pretty impressive merc, that’s like $160k”.

        I let the comment slide and simply took note that this guy knows nothing about cars… but he’s not alone, like many, they are blinded by the badge.

    • +1

      "I want to be seen coming out of a Mercedes and it gives the perception of success"
      In Australia you have every equal chance of being seen as a w@nker/poser/try-hard because you seem to care so much about what other people think of you

  • +11

    Euro cars are often nicer than Asian cars, a few exceptions aside. That niceness often costs a lot more.
    If I didn't care about money, I'd buy one.
    Some people start every purchase decision with "what is the nicest thing I can do for myself" and trade off the financials after meeting that goal.
    Other people start with "what is the most sensible" and then trade off to get the nicest from there.

    • +3

      If I didn't care about money, I'd buy one.

      We need people with more money than sense to keep the world turning.

      Imagine if all of us penny pinched. There won't be a government pension.

  • +4

    I think the main attraction for most people would be the perceived prestige of owning a Euro car (mostly to themselves and others who I'd say are quite shallow), and interiors are generally nicer in Euro cars which I think would appeal to lots of people who aren't even "car people" as it's nice to be comfortable when driving. I think once you start driving a car with a nicer interior it's probably hard to go back to an average interior.

    That being said I've been binging reviews of the i30N and i20N and I'd take both of those over the Golf/Polo GTI any day of the week, the difference in savings could be put towards mods or track days or for the more prudent, investments.

  • +7

    I'd owned japanese cars for about 15 years until a couple of years ago, I bought my first euro. Now when I sit in a japanese car, it feels like I'm sitting in a tin can. It just doesn't feel the same.

    • -5

      Try Haval for a change next time. Change the badge to VW and you won't tell the difference - perhaps even nicer

      We have a Haval H6, interior is on par with a mid spec euro, and the car feel rock solid on the road.

      • There still seems to be question marks on Haval's reliability (whether it's actual or perceived, I don't know) and I'm honestly not willing to risk it yet. I think that's the case with a lot of other people as well. Give it a few more years and it might go the same path as Hyundai and Kia.

      • +3

        Lol

      • Go Havel and you can hav al it all.

      • +2

        yeah nah, you're kidding yourself.

      • Keep dreaming. Who knows, maybe one day it will be true..

        • Lol at the negs. Haval is one of the most reliable brands in China just FYI. 10 years of statistical data is good enough for me to trust the brand

          My take is they are only cheap because they are new and desperate to get a spot on the sales chart here in Australia. And I'm seeing more and more H6s on road now.

  • +2

    It used to be exclusivity, made in GERMANY. Each company made 3 models of car.

    Now they are made everywhere. And everyone has one and they all look the same.

  • +3

    I’m surprised that rear wheel drive hasn’t been mentioned at all so far.

    It’s very hard to get a modern Japanese product with rear wheel drive without going to Lexus.

    The difference in driving feel and engagement from rear wheel drive is noticeable to many people, even if they don’t actually know what rear wheel drive is - the euro car might just appear to ‘drive better’. Euro interiors are still better but Japanese products are closer than ever.

    For all other metrics relating to “getting from A to B”, Japanese cars are superior - build, reliability, resale/depreciation.

    I have a Mazda 6 and look forward to the next generation 6 with rear wheel drive and a straight six engine - sound like the closest thing to a Japanese BMW you could get.

    • +1

      BMW and Mercedes do front wheel drive, so do Audi.

      • But most Mercs and BMWs are RWD and AWD.

  • -1

    Because some of us have money to burn. Good to pay LCT and get a nice car at the same time.

  • +6

    You don't need to use the turn signals so much, in fact some Euro cars don't even have them fitted.

    • +1

      most of them do but most people are too lazy to top up the blinker fluid

  • +3

    Depends which car, price bracket and market. Lot of good and bad cars out there, everyone is different and have different priorities/budgets. I think a lot of Euro's are leased so reliability isn't a concern as long as they can make the monthly payment.

    I use to prefer Japanese cars but I think they've gotten so expensive that price difference between Euros are much smaller now, so they've lost the price advantage they once had. I have a Subaru WRX STI, I love it but wow prices on them now are bananas, no way pay that for one.

    Both German and Japanese cars have stagnated IMO After buying a nugget used Korean turbo car, next car will be another Korean. Now with ex-German car designers, Korean manufactures have now have the design, reliability and price advantage. They also push and take risks with design, whereas German and Japanese don't innovate much, its all half baked RGB $#!Tshow interiors. If I had to buy another car now probably a Hyundai I20N

    • +1

      I use to prefer Japanese cars but I think they've gotten so expensive…

      That's exactly what I thought when I saw the price of the Honda Civic being $47,200! I don't know if I'm missing something, but that's ridiculous!

    • +1

      LOL Germans don't innovate? They are market leaders.

    • +2

      probably a Hyundai I20N

      Solid choice!

  • People are all different, don't try and apply logic.

  • Comparing a VW Golf mk5 or mk7.5 vs say an Outlander or Corolla at the time, the metal doesn't flex as much, perhaps thicker gauge metal in doors and other areas of the car.

  • -2

    Nothing.

    Only status, wealth, recognition and all that BS

    People aren’t exactly brainy or smart

    • Well ….. if they are wealthy they must be doing something right. Yes?

      I find it interesting that people with no particular talent try to run down others being successful.

      • +1

        Most of them are not wealthy. Some of them are, but the rest are just posers trying hard to look like a baller. Those who can buy these cars also only lease them so they can get tax benefits and then make the unreliable pos someone else's problem just as the warranty expires.

  • +2

    What’s The Appeal of Euro Cars

    Cheap repairs.. ummmm…
    Cheap servicing…. no wait.
    must be holding their value… hang on…

    ahhhhhhhhh you give the appearance of being successful in the country you've been in 5 mins, but dont let on your in 100k debt and cry when you get that 3500 bill for new brakes (it was merc from memory)
    /jk

    • Someone sounds a little jealous

      • +6

        oh terribly… 3500 for brakes, several hunge for hoses… I cant lay in bed dreaming of such joys ROTFLMAO

        When ya best mate is a BMW Master tech and refuses to own one, it says everything for me… but they keep him very well paid and busy

        YMMV.

  • Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
    My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends
    Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends
    So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

  • +1

    Safety, refinement, prestige, performance. Take your pick.

    • Yes. When they’re are the high end variants. $100k plus range. Would it be the same for base models?

      • ? ……. Well, obviously its not the same for a base model is it. You want a new S class for $38K?

        Pick a price point and the type of car your interested in and do a comparison and drive some cars. Das Germans will feature prominently.

        The don't do utes, dual cabs or offroad in this market.

        • +1

          Yes they did. Remember the X class? The prettied up Nissan Navara. Which started at $80k. Look how that turned out. If that wasn’t buying a car just for the badge then I don’t know what is.

          • @maxyzee: Aston Martin Cygnet is a rebadged Toyota IQ.

            • @netjock: Yeah that was just an exercise by Aston Martin to get around the UK emissions regulations.

  • +5

    In my opinion the Germans are the best car builders in the world. I also wouldn't pass up Japanese or Korean. You're an idiot if you buy chinese.

    A lot of the Euros are small capacity turbos. They are more efficient and torquey than the Toyota equivalent and generally have more tech.
    Corolla 21 ZR $38K Torque 200Nm @ 4400-4800rpm (2 litre engine)
    Volkswagen Golf 22 110TSI MY22 $38K Torque 250Nm @ 1500-4000rpm (1.4 Litre engine)

    If you can't tell the difference driving around town then buy a Toyota and be happy. In my opinion the Golf is a superior car.

    • A lot of the Euros are small capacity turbos.

      You know turbo is another part to go wrong and higher compression could mean engine break down quicker if not built correctly?

      NA isn't so bad if you don't want turbo lag.

      • +1

        Turbos survive fine for hundreds of thousands of kms. Modern turbo cars have basically no lag.

    • +7

      And in my opinion the Japanese build the most reliable cars.

      Europeans have little turbos and little diesel engines but the Japanese also have highly efficient hybrid drivetrains which are very good for city driving.

      Yeah sure, a VW might have a lot more tech like a DSG gearbox, but ask yourself, is this highly complex gearbox designed for track racing suitable for a car like a Polo/Golf where creeping in city traffic causes premature failure? And yes, I know someone who had a Polo with a failed gearbox. They now drive a Jazz.

      And tbh, sitting in a Polo GTI, the interior is pitiful with its hard plastics and striped cloth seats. Going from that to a leather interior of a Mazda 3 is a huge difference.

      All our Japanese cars in the household has had zero issues apart from the occasional dead battery:

      • 2009 Corolla: Bluetooth doesn't work but Toyota replaced the head unit. Wouldn't call this a mechanical failure per se but if I had to nit pick.
      • 2012 Civic: Built in the UK, this was my first car I bought with my money. Never had an issue with it other than me not being happy with how expensive the brake pads are.
      • 2016 Lexus NX 300h: Our first luxury car. 6 years on, completely boring service record. Zero problems.
      • 2016 Subaru Forester: No issues.
      • 2018 Honda CR-V: No issues.

      Contrast to my extended family and friends who drive various Euro cars:

      • 2017 Mercedes CLA 250 Shooting Brake: Headlight system malfunction, needed the computer to be replaced after 1 year of ownership
      • 2014 Volvo XC60: Dashboard went dark, was a $5000 repair bill and after negotiation $3500 was agreed for a replacement
      • 2008 Mercedes CL Central locking died
      • VW Passat: Clunky gearbox
      • 2015 BMW 320i: Oil leaks

      So yeah, sure if you wanna say Euro cars are better at driving, or they have more technology, but just in my little sample size, don't disregard the price you pay for that is RELIABILITY.

      I have driven a few EVs now, Tesla Model S and 3, BMW iX3, Mercedes EQA and personally I like the BMW the best. I hope their EV cars are more dependable than their ICE counterparts.

    • -1

      Be an idiot to think any euro car is euro made, open any euro car you'll find its littered with chinese made parts, so maybe have 2nd thoughts on whose the best car builders

      • You know they say beauty is only skin deep.

      • It all depends on the QA. Shanghai made teslas for example are miles ahead of the californian ones in build quality

      • If I recall, Mercedes reputation for quality went down the toilet when they started building in South Africa

  • The ones I have seen on the road dont come with blinker fluid

  • Everybody should own a prestige car once in a lifetime! Cough, cough..

  • I've bought euro because because it's something a little less common, but not rare enough that parts are hard to find.

    In saying that, don't buy euro if you intend to keep the car for a long time. My golf is now getting troublesome to fix and every bit of rubber or plastic in the engine bay disintegrates even though I apply protectant. I find euro car parts are more brittle in general.

    Compared to my mum's toyota which is the same age, she's never had to repair or swap out anything, just regular service.

    • What's the age again?

  • Apple fanboys wanna apple. BMW fanboys wanna BMW. Price means they have to justify all the things they like but don't need and make you question whether you made a mistake with a Samsung or a Toyota.

  • +1

    cars are just as much about personal preference then anything else - it is like asking why do some people by $30 jeans and some pay $350

  • Not our definition of a burnout.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59847372

  • because there's not many Asian supercars compared to euro marques..

  • +1

    Accord Euro's are great!

  • It's fashion. Same reason people buy really expensive handbags, clothes, jewellery. It's a statement.

  • One small issue I have with euro cars is you just dont know how they bodgied up the right hand drive engineering conversion. Indicators remaining on the left is just the very first symptom, so is the handbrake on the left of the centre console, bonnet release left or ignition left. Wiper patterns that dont suit RHD are another more serious concern. Sure none of these may really matter but they speak to cost cutting and minimal effort. What did they do with those parts we dont readily see, the brake system, clutch, and steering, to accomodate RHD? Most are fine for sure, but…
    German cars suffer from these issues, but the French and Italian cars, OMG!
    At least with Japanese cars you 'know" they were properly engineered for RHD!

    • +1

      lol this is ridiculous.

      • Ehh, I think it's exaggerated, but there's some truth to it.
        Replacing some engine bay parts in my BMW has been a massive pain - exhaust manifold squeezed in right next to the steering shaft, for instance.

    • Jap, Euro, and Korean all make good cars. Just don’t buy a Chinese car you idiots because you will not Hav al it all!

    • If you change your oil + oil filter twice a year with full synthetic oil you will be able to afford to Hav al it all without having to buy a Haval!

    • Euro cars do have more prestige so buy it if you already Hav al it all, and don’t care about the engine literally burning your money away!

    Haval a nice day!

  • Disagree with cost and reliability concerns, but each to their own.

    Downvote away but all my European cars have been more reliable than my Japanese. VW doesn't sell a billion cars in Europe, taxis etc everywhere being unreliable.

    One of the last cars I bought new - A $65k Subaru was back at the dealer a month after picking it up for filling my garage full of smoke, then had 3 more trips in the next year for various issues that made it undriveable - The 'premium' interior had 4 screens that all used different/independent menus, control buttons, fonts, colours. Shit like that europeans do not do.

    It also required 6 monthly service intervals - The Skoda that replaced it required 12 monthly at the same cost.

    • -2

      Asian cars aren’t perfect. But the evidence is as a general their quality and reliability is a step above the Euro counterparts. It’s not my opinion it’s just plain simple fact.

      You might have got unlucky with the particular Subaru that you ended up with. How many cars that are still on the road today from 90s and 00s that don’t need to be babied are European vs Japanese.

      For example if you wanted to buy something cheap as just a run around and was looking at something from 00s or 10s would you realistically look at a golf, a class, c class etc. or a Corolla, accord or civic? Can you honestly say buying a 15 year old VW poses the same amount of risk as a 15 year old Toyota?

      • I absolutely would, as an example i'd buy a 2006 Jetta over a 2006 Camry every single day of the week, but I understand why people are afraid and would overpay for an old Camry.

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