Tossing up Rav4 or Something Else?

billybrown on 18/01/2022 - 14:15

Don't mind the current wait on new cars.

Considering the Rav4 Edge Hybrid AWD. $58k new. Only drawback we found was that the visibility from the driver seat isn't the best. The dashboard is quite high.

Wondering if people have any thoughts on if there are better options for the same price range.

Considering Kia Sportage, Hyundai Santa Fe, Mitsubishi Outlander.

Key considerations are reliability, low maintenance and features (that's why we chose the highest model of the rav range). Would be our car for the next 10 years.

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Comments

  • jv on 18/01/2022 - 14:17
    +14

    Tossing up Rav4 or Something Else?

    Pancakes would be easier…

    jv on 18/01/2022 - 14:17 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • pyramid on 18/01/2022 - 14:21
      +2

      Broccoli?

    • gimli on 18/01/2022 - 15:32

      Negs?

      • holdenmg on 18/01/2022 - 15:37

        Salad?

      • Kangal on 19/01/2022 - 10:20

        It's jv

    • Unacceptable on 19/01/2022 - 15:32
      -1

      Hahaha. You cracked me up.

  • jv on 18/01/2022 - 14:18
    +9

    Kia are getting a good reputation in the 'value' stakes…

    Do the others offer a 7 year warranty?

    • bobbified on 18/01/2022 - 18:58
      +7

      Kia, not Kia.

    • photonbuddy on 19/01/2022 - 10:51
      +4

      It's funny how the big name old guard are so sure of the quality of their product that they offer the shortest warranties.

      Not just cars, but pretty much everything …

    • Save 50 Cent on 19/01/2022 - 13:14

      Mitsubishi offers 10 years as long as you service it at the dealer. Sevices are capped and not outrageous.

      • jv on 19/01/2022 - 13:35
        +3

        Mitsubishi offers 10 years as long as you service it at the dealer.

        So you end up paying double or more to service your car… no thanks…

        I'm not sure that is even legal under consumer law.

        • spackbace on 19/01/2022 - 13:41

          It is, it's considered a warranty extension

          • jv on 19/01/2022 - 13:43
            +1

            @spackbace: How long is the real warranty ?

            The rest you a paying for insurance, not warranty…

            • spackbace on 19/01/2022 - 13:56
              +2

              @jv: https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/owners/diamond-advantag…

              Mitsubishi’s Standard New Car Warranty is 5 year/100,000 km (whichever occurs first). You may also be eligible for an Extended New Car Warranty up to 10 year/200,000 km if you’ve had all scheduled services done through the authorised Mitsubishi Motors Dealer Network. Some customers excluded such as government, taxis, rentals and selected national business.

        • frugal investigator on 21/01/2022 - 09:22

          I pay $180 each service for my Toyota. It’s capped. Yay.

        • 8200 on 31/03/2022 - 11:17

          NOT true, the service are caped price and the factory is tipping in to keep the price down

          Non dealer would most likely be more

          Genuine you keep your full warranty, better resale, and software updates through the MMC computer

          Nobody knows the vehicle better that the company selling that brand

          • Euphemistic on 31/03/2022 - 14:26
            -1

            @8200: Except half the time it’s the apprentice looking at your car and doing the work. The ‘mechanic’ probably spends less than 30sec with each vehicle.

      • capslock janitor on 20/01/2022 - 13:27

        Mitsubishi offers 10 years as long as you service it at the dealer.

        is this a hard rule or just what mitsi dealers say?

        iirc Toyota had similar but in fact we're allowed to do (cheaper?) authorised services externally, not that they want that ofc

  • Archi on 18/01/2022 - 14:23
    +8

    Considering Kia Sportage, Hyundai Santa Fe, Mitsubishi Outlander

    kia sportage, hyundai tucson and mitsubishi outlander are a similar size to the Rav4

    santa Fe is a much bigger car

    tucson and sportage would be my pick.

      • Archi on 19/01/2022 - 15:11
        +4

        honda make really boring cars of late.

        sitting on a reputation that they have earned years ago, that is no longer relevant.

        kia and hyundai make far better equipped, styled, performance and value cars. IMO

        • capslock janitor on 19/01/2022 - 15:48
          +1

          honda charging premium for "refreshed" models too >`:(

          im keen for the run-out '21 Civic but unsure if they got any left

        • CBrads4 on 19/01/2022 - 17:57

          Drove a couple of demo Kias and Hyundais on the weekend. Very much agree with you here.

          Would say that Kia is better value (at least in my opinion) because they allow you to tack on the important features, e.g. safety, to the base models for a relatively small fee. Hyundai seem to spread their safety features across their packages so you need to buy the fully optioned model to get the comprehensive safety kit. At least that's how I understand it.

  • pegaxs on 18/01/2022 - 14:28
    +4

    InB4: “SUVs suck” turns up.

    Kia or Hyundai might be worth a cross comparison. Also the Mazda range seems to get a pretty positive review from users here.

    Don’t get an Outlander. They are great, but they are just so god damn boring. They truely are the generic white refrigerator of SUVs

    • pyramid on 18/01/2022 - 14:55
      +2

      What's wrong with boring suv for a folk who only cares for driving a to b….

      • pegaxs on 18/01/2022 - 15:45
        +3

        Nothing. I have an Outlander. It's my work vehicle, and it is just that. "A vehicle". Gets from A to B and back again. It's blandsport. Kind of like like transport, but with just with little more "meh".

        • uder on 20/01/2022 - 10:05
          +1

          Have a look at the new Outlander, very different

      • Jaspa7 on 21/01/2022 - 14:57
        +1

        one does simply not drop 50k on something for only 'driving a to b'…

    • ShortyX on 18/01/2022 - 16:45

      Mitsi should put a decent diesel engine in the Outlander.

    • alo1234 on 19/01/2022 - 10:09

      Get the Ralliart version when they come out

      https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/mitsubishi-shows-visio…

    • hutcho on 20/01/2022 - 05:44
      +1

      Bring back the station wagon!

    • factor on 21/01/2022 - 08:41

      What type of refrigerator do you have?

  • spackbace on 18/01/2022 - 14:28
    +5

    Why the Edge hybrid and not the Cruiser hybrid?

    • billybrown on 18/01/2022 - 14:45
      +1

      Thought might as well get top of the range since not planning to switch cars any time after.

      Do you recommend otherwise?

      • spackbace on 18/01/2022 - 14:59
        +1

        Both are 'top of the range' just different asking prices

        Cruiser adds memory settings on the driver's seat, which Edge doesnt get

        • dealcrown on 19/01/2022 - 06:27

          I prefer edge with the nice interior and orange accents

    • Benoffie on 18/01/2022 - 16:04

      Agree with this. Jump on the RAV forums on Whirlpool or Facebook for more specifics on the differences. But essentially you're paying $5k for a few safety features and losing some others (between Cruiser and Edge).

      • spackbace on 18/01/2022 - 16:19

        No more safety features on the Edge than the Cruiser

        • Niko123456 on 18/01/2022 - 17:44

          I don't even think there are safety features on the Cruiser compared to the GXL.

          • ol mate on 19/01/2022 - 08:51

            @Niko123456: There's nothing more on the Cruiser than the GX. Toyota really did put safety first this round - not making people pay for a higher model to get safety features.

            It does look like the MY22 Edge has "Park Support Brake" above the MY21 and the other models, though.

            Edge variants also gain extra safety equipment with the addition of rear cross-traffic alert (RCTA) and parking support brake (PKSB) that feature autonomous braking capability for static objects when moving forward or backward, or for cars crossing behind the vehicle when reversing.

            https://toyota.pressroom.com.au/press_release_detail.asp?cli…

  • Paul Atreides on 18/01/2022 - 14:28
    +9

    maybe add mazda cx-5 to your list

    • Mysterious Laptop on 19/01/2022 - 15:42
      +1

      I wouldn't, the current model is coming to the end of it's life. They'll soon be releasing the CX-50, 60, 70 etc.

      • Colombian on 21/01/2022 - 23:15

        CX-50 is not coming to Australia.

  • dwhes on 18/01/2022 - 14:40
    +7

    Any particular need for an SUV? Otherwise why not the Tesla Model 3? Maintenance basically non existent, far cheaper to “fill up” from electricity, plenty of room for a family, amazing features and performance for the price and depending on your state, will come in cheaper than your rav4 with the ev incentives.

    • billybrown on 18/01/2022 - 14:46
      +3

      Range anxiety with the tesla. Do quite a few road trips

      • serpserpserp on 18/01/2022 - 14:53
        +32

        Just pack a few eneloops and you'll be alright.

      • dwhes on 18/01/2022 - 14:57
        +4

        Well without more information on your location and kind of trips you’re doing, in general you’ll find that it really isn’t an issue anymore. Superchargers and an expanding range of other fast chargers are pretty much along all main highway routes these days. I’d suggest plugging a few of your road trips into https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and seeing how you look. I don’t even own a Tesla yet but I was looking at exactly the same sorts of cars as you are. Went and test drove a model 3 and was absolutely blown away. Nothing comes close in the price bracket for performance and features. We ended up buying a Ford everest as we decided we wanted to be able to tow a future caravan. But when we replace my wife’s Honda CRV it will 100% be with a model 3 or model y.

      • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 07:32
        +2

        My wife has a RAV4 AWD Hybrid and I have a Model 3 LR. My M3 is an amazing daily driver, but we take the RAV4 for our frequent longer trips given our regional NSW location. You're making the right choice.

    • serpserpserp on 18/01/2022 - 14:54
      +1

      I have no idea, but how much money does it take to charge a full EV battery at home (assuming you have no solar at home etc).

      • dwhes on 18/01/2022 - 15:03
        +4

        Depends entirely on your electricity plan and at what time of day you charge etc. but let’s say on average 20c/kw which is about average here in Brisbane. 54kw battery in the standard model 3, looking at about $10.80 to “fill it up”. Which gives you a range of about 450km in normal driving conditions.

        • freefall101 on 18/01/2022 - 16:59
          +3

          It takes more than 54kw to charge the battery, due to the battery keeping itself at a stable temperature and heat generation, it's from 5-15% extra juice. Which equates to about an extra buck, so… not much.

          But even using a tesla supercharger at 52c/kw it's still cheap as chips considering petrol prices at the moment. Unless someone spends all day on the road, where the upfront cost, eventual battery replacement cost and constant 15 minute charging breaks become a consideration EVs generally win out. I'm looking at one at the moment, considering my road trips are generally once a month it's not a worry at all.

      • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 07:43
        +2

        Asking how much it costs to charge an EV battery is the same as asking how much it costs to fill a tank of fuel - how big is the battery/tank? How much electricity/fuel does the vehicle use? How much does electricity/fuel cost at the moment?

        Better to ask how much money it costs to travel a particular distance, say, 100km. Wife's RAV4 Hybrid uses 5.3L/100km, and E10 costs about $1.6/L. So 5.3x1.6= $8.50/100km. My Model 3 uses 15kW/h/100km and my offpeak electricity costs 13c/kWh. 15x0.13= $1.95/100km.

        • netjock on 19/01/2022 - 09:17
          +1

          Didn't realise how close the price of the two is now.

          But the equivalent is a Model Y. Might be worth the wait.

          • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 09:38
            +1

            @netjock: The base Model 3 is excellent value for what it is, but it definitely does not have the practicality of the RAV4. Rear space is a bit limited and a sedan boot is not great for carrying baby junk. Like I said earlier, fantastic daily driver but not so great for family hauling and long road trips. MY should fix most of that but the base model won't be offered here for a while, and the LR will be starting firmly in the $80K range.

            • [Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 13:04
              +1

              @Dogsrule: Don't forget Tesla's have a front trunk too, because no engine

              • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 18:36

                @[Deactivated]: Yeah it’s pretty piddly, I’ve never used mine. You can fit a duffel bag in there but not much else.

      • netjock on 19/01/2022 - 09:21

        Also if you got a single phase electricity at home (which is most homes) even with a dedicated circuit I don't think you can do the full 54kw over night.

        Link to solar quotes article, up to 30hrs to charge from a normal socket

        You'll either look for minimum a dedicated circuit for charging.

        Otherwise look for free charge points nearby (shopping centre).

        • md333 on 19/01/2022 - 13:03
          +3

          You only need to do the full 54kw overnight if you have used the full capacity that day and need it full for the next day i.e. drive 400km every day.
          If you do drive 400km every day, chances are you will go by a fast charger at some point.

          Overnight charges only need to replace what you used that day, so most people find single phase quite sufficient for home charging.

          • netjock on 19/01/2022 - 22:41
            +1

            @md333:

            If you do drive 400km every day

            You don't need to do 400km every day. Just once a week if your work asks you to drive from Melbourne to say Bendigo (second largest town) you're in trouble. Or you just need to forget to plug it in.

            400kms a day isn't a problem if you are an Uber driver. Explains why you don't see many Model 3s out and about. Plus if you are spending that type of money you shouldn't have to resort to Uber driving. Although I have seen BMW X5 doing Uber in Melbourne CBD so I could be wrong.

            • md333 on 20/01/2022 - 02:44

              @netjock: Once a week isn't a problem, charge overnight and you can do 200km the next day.

            • Micn on 20/01/2022 - 08:35

              @netjock: Alot of the time there from a rental service for uber alot of time there used for high end service pick up (personal driver) then uber in spare time(uber offering good bonus atm to get car on the street doing uber)

        • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 18:42
          +1

          You can charge any Tesla at 7kW at home with a 32A single phase socket (few $hundred installation cost) then simply buy this adapter for the included charger. 54/7= 8 hours for a full charge, which will get you ~400km.

          If you do more than 400km a day regularly, an EV probably isn’t for you. Your Corolla Sedan hybrid is the most practical car of all time though, so your standards are probably higher than most regarding practicality.

      • JownehFixIT on 21/01/2022 - 09:16
        +2

        Can only speak from my experience here, but we own a Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kwh (260km maximum range without A/C, more like 230km with) from 2019 and bought a MyEnergi Zappi 7.2kw home charger after less than a month of ownership for added convenience.

        28kwh / 7.2kw charging = 3.8~ hours so we usually get it charged between our Powershop time of use tariff window of midnight to 4am on a weekday at 7.46c/kwh. So $2.09 per 260km maximum range. By comparison, our granny cable takes about 12 hours to charge, so plugging in after a day of work once the range is getting low would have sufficed for our normal charging needs, and saved the $2000 charger product and labour cost. Currently we only charge about once or twice a week, being that working from home is more and more common.

        Needless to say the car is paying itself off, and I don't miss petrol stations at all! There's also the obvious benefit of relatively cheap $160 annual servicing, and the less obvious lack of any brake pad maintenance as they're almost never engaged, the car relying instead on regenerative braking to reduce car speed and restore some of the kinetic energy into the battery.

        Powershop rates:
        https://photos.app.goo.gl/EQMj1WZpLWxvbKif8

        Not that I'm singing Powershop's praises overall as they've just been taken over by Shell to even out their planetary destruction portfolio, but it still it makes individual economical sense for us.

        We rarely charge in public, but if we do it's more out of interest, looking up chargers with the PlugShare app just for extra experience with the infrastructure. Sometimes this is free, like at Westfield Chermside which still has 4 free chargers for example. Sometimes it's expensive but super fast like at the Toombul ultra rapid chargers on Level 2 which are currently priced at $0.40 per kWh according to the web site: https://www.toombul.com.au/centre-info/electric-vehicle-char…

        For under $60,000 I would buy one of these in a heartbeat over any petrol/diesel/hybrid every time: https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/evs-under-sixty-thousand-do…

        Having owned an EV since March 3 years ago, I can confidently state I won't be buying another combustion engine vehicle ever again.

    • yellowfever on 18/01/2022 - 20:53
      -5

      Tesla 3 looks like a vaccum cleaner..
      Rear end tail lights has no swag. Looks like they designed it in the 90s. Terrible styling.

      • Hardlyworkin on 18/01/2022 - 22:55
        +1

        More a Toyota/Hyundai/Mazda etc type?

        • yellowfever on 19/01/2022 - 19:34
          +1

          Only Hyundai have a direct competitor model which is the Ioniq 5 and that looks 100000x better than the Model 3

    • LSGH on 19/01/2022 - 10:49

      my mate did the same, was tossing between a hybrid RAV4 or the Model 3…ended up with the Model 3, just recently installed 8kw of solar panels as well

      • WhyAmICommenting on 19/01/2022 - 11:52

        Are they happy? Any issues?

        • LSGH on 19/01/2022 - 13:55
          +2

          he is happy with it, initially I suggested the RAV4 when he asked me (thinking he was only after the $36,000 model)..but when you are talking the $58,000 range…that changes things……my other mate is lucky, he has a c250 and its his wife (who owns a Tiguan 132 Tsi) that now wants him to sell it and buy a Model 3

      • DryScissors on 20/01/2022 - 07:45
        +3

        Yeah me too, I cancelled my RAV4 order and got a Model 3 in August. No regrets aside from the practicality issues when travelling with kids AND dogs.

        • LSGH on 20/01/2022 - 11:49
          +2

          well done, 2 of my neighbors have model 3s…lovely car to look at.

        • Archi on 20/01/2022 - 12:52

          did you have to wait long for the car?

          • DryScissors on 20/01/2022 - 17:50
            +2

            @Archi: About a week. My mate ordered one at the same time and his was a few days after.

  • Nos 4r2 on 18/01/2022 - 15:22
    +1

    Kia Sportage and Hyundai Tucson will be more tech then all other options if you are into that type of thing, but their designs are pretty love/hate. Whatever preconceptions people have of Kia/Hyundai need to be left at the door. I say this to everyone, this current gen of Kia/Hyundais will be the turning point for them to dropping their previous reputations. They are great looking cars, loaded with tech and are just as reliable now as every other brand.

    CX5 is a great car but the 10k service interval is a deal breaker for me.

    We got a top spec diesel Santa Fe late last year for around $65k, if you can stretch that far it will be the best value for money in that price range. But wait times are ridiculous at the moment. If you are happy to go down to the Elite trim, which is prob the same trim level as Edge, it will be around the same price but you will get a bigger car for it.

    • Dogsrule on 19/01/2022 - 07:54
      +1

      Santa Fe, while great value, is a Kluger competitor, OP is looking at the medium SUV class, not large.

  • Euphemistic on 18/01/2022 - 15:22
    +3

    Test drive them and see which one YOU like. There isn’t really much between them so it come down to personal preference.

  • MS Paint on 18/01/2022 - 15:32
    +10

    Why after an hour has no one mentioned kayaks?

    Wait!! What?

  • sudeep on 18/01/2022 - 15:32
    +8

    Subaru Outback. Reliable, would fit the budget, 12.5k service interval, Superior AWD, Competetive tech. Or Forrester with mid- top of range.

    • parsimonious one on 19/01/2022 - 07:56
      +1

      Plus the new outback just received ANCAP's highest ever safety rating!!

      https://www.drive.com.au/news/subaru-outback-earns-highest-s…

      • tailgatinholden on 19/01/2022 - 21:42
        +1

        The OP mentioned their drawback about the RAV4 is driver visibility. I'd suggest the Forrester is best in class in terms of driver vision.
        The Outback indeed is what I'd get with the budget proposed, but can save $$$ if you get the Forrester.

        I drive a Kia Sportage: best option for something sub $35K.

    • Millikano on 20/01/2022 - 18:01

      Was going to suggest the same. The new one looks great, with more ground clearance and boot space, an arguably nicer cockpit, and enough grunt for most. We’re thinking about one to replace an old Territory.

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 18/01/2022 - 15:32
    +9

    Key considerations should include, do you want to carry a kayak?

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