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[TAS] 100% HECS Waiver Undergraduate Certificate in Fermentation @ UTAS (Workshop Attendance Required)

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[TAS] 100% HECS Waiver Undergraduate Certificate in Fermentation @ UTAS (Workshop Attendance Required)
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Magicmagic on 11/01/2022 - 15:07 utas.edu.au (2248 clicks)
Last edited 11/01/2022 - 17:55 by 1 other user

New certificate added in Fermentation with UTAS for those that want to take their home beer brewing, cheese making or wine making knowledge to the next level. A new hobby or upgrading your skills for a business?

"Sem 1 | Online | No tuition fee

Gain a foundation for establishing home-based fermentation activities such as brewing beer, making cheese, and creating a fine wine, with practical skills and knowledge sought after by the fermentation industry."

Note: From a check of the subjects it looks like only Semester 1 is online, semester 2 is not showing as available online :(

Part of this deal https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/675872 although this is a new course so put as a new post for those that are interested

Notice: Please note for units ZAS123, ZAS121 and ZAS117, "Hobart and Cradle Coast students will need to travel to Launceston to attend a 3-day workshop for this unit"

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  • Duck Mode on 11/01/2022 - 15:16
    +4

    Doesn't seem to be an online option :(

    • ntt on 11/01/2022 - 15:28
      +1

      for a second I read as feminisation

      • Ham Dragon on 11/01/2022 - 15:36
        +8

        Given the current state of universities, it would not surprise me.

        • Yaals on 12/01/2022 - 06:16
          +1

          What’s wrong with the current state of universities?

          Outside the US and UK, Australia has the best universities in the world.

      • ozbar on 11/01/2022 - 17:15
        -5

        Feminisation 😆 🤣 😂. Good one.

        Check out Yuri Bezmenov on YouTube on "feminism" 😆 🤣

    • Magicmagic on 11/01/2022 - 15:34

      That is true. Only Semester 1 is online, semester 2 is not showing as available online :(

      • acersaurus on 11/01/2022 - 15:40
        +13

        Seems designed so you move to Tasmania in Semester 2 and facilitate the supply of beer to Tasmanians.

        • Nalar on 12/01/2022 - 01:22
          -1

          They need it, pretty basic craft beer scene down there

          • UberIsCool on 12/01/2022 - 02:19

            @Nalar: Is this a joke? They’ve had some of the best craft beer in Australia for at least 10 years

          • IAmMiguel78 on 12/01/2022 - 12:32
            +1

            @Nalar: Dude! You have no idea.

    • Associatedrobinb15 @ University of Tasmania on 12/01/2022 - 15:55

      The course has a 3-day intensive in Hobart in the second semester for the Applied Microbiology unit. All other units can be completed online.

  • Aequitas on 11/01/2022 - 15:20

    I assume it means the cost of this course is waived and not 100% of your hecs debt is waived right?

    • Aequitas on 11/01/2022 - 15:21
      +4

      Unfortunately yep:

      you can complete all four units of your certificate without tuition fees

      • kehuehue on 11/01/2022 - 15:25
        +1

        why unfortunately?

        does the course fees gets transferred to a govn debt that we have to pay eventually? (curious and dont know)

        • Aequitas on 11/01/2022 - 15:43
          +3

          because I already have a lot in my HECS :p

          so 100% of my HECS would be a lot more than just the fees from this course.

      • Holty07 on 11/01/2022 - 15:26
        +3

        ELI5: why is that a bad difference?

        • mskram on 11/01/2022 - 17:10
          +3

          People with large HECS debts would be interested in doing this course if it wiped all of their HECS debt.

          • kabammi on 12/01/2022 - 08:45

            @mskram: Lol. Seriously, people think UTAS would be picking up $100k HECS debts left right and centre so folks can do a free course on fermentation? I'd love to be at the faculty meeting where an idea like that was suggested.

      • greatlamp on 12/01/2022 - 08:02

        No tuition fees means it wouldn't add to your hecs debt?
        Your hecs doesn't cover the full cost of the course, theres a portion that is paid by the gov in any CSP place, that you don't have to repay.

  • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2022 - 15:22
    +1

    Undergraduate Certificate in Fermentation

    Wino's rejoice!

  • keanoobreaves on 11/01/2022 - 15:25

    Anyone know if UTAS is going online this year? I'm attending AMC rn and kind of not wanting to go over back to launceston because of the COVID situation

  • modded on 11/01/2022 - 15:38
    +3

    Be careful everyone, I remember reading that you only have a limited number of CSP's. If you're planning on further study it's not a great idea to waste them on short courses like this

    • kehuehue on 11/01/2022 - 15:50
      +6

      saving people a google search

      CSP

      A Commonwealth supported place (CSP) is a place at a university or higher education provider where the government pays part of your fees.

    • alcadive on 11/01/2022 - 15:56
      +2

      Do you have a source for this? I couldn't find anything except for the loan limit for HECS-HELP.

      • modded on 11/01/2022 - 16:01
        +1

        An ozbargain comment where the person seemed very informed and certain of their words

      • downbythecreek on 11/01/2022 - 22:04
        +2

        This poster is correct, it's a change that has come in this year and was part of that job ready graduates package the Lib govt implemented.
        If you google Student Learning Entitlement you will get more information, but basically now you will only have access to 7 years of CSP support, after that it's full fee.

        • t_c on 11/01/2022 - 23:49

          Surely after 7 years of CSP support the learned individual would have amased so much knowledge that they would have set up multiple passive income streams and could thus afford to pay full fee onwards for any discipline of their choosing.

          • greatlamp on 12/01/2022 - 08:04
            -1

            @t_c: Maybe if it was 7 years of TAFE courses

        • alcadive on 12/01/2022 - 00:59

          Thanks for the info, so really it wouldn't affect the vast majority of people.

          • downbythecreek on 12/01/2022 - 07:40
            +1

            @alcadive: Not really, and you can still access help loans for the full fee portion if it takes you longer than 7 years anyway.

            What concerns me more is the gradual erosion of access to education. I don't really want to see an American style of university here where only those wealthy enough to afford it can access it.

            • alcadive on 12/01/2022 - 10:05
              +1

              @downbythecreek: Yeah I would much prefer we follow European countries' examples like Germany where it's free and you get government living support as well.

    • nvdshams on 11/01/2022 - 16:03
      +1

      You will be in a pickle then

    • Zephyrus on 11/01/2022 - 17:45
      +3

      I don't think is true, if it is, there's no reference for it.

      There's a limited number of CSP places in each course. There's a HELP limit, but that's how big your loan can get, these don't count because you don't owe any money.

      • greatlamp on 12/01/2022 - 08:05

        It will still consume your CSP allowance. The course isn't free, it's discounted. Your portion of the course costs - which you would normally get a hecs loan for - are waived.
        The portion the government pays is taken by the uni, and will appear on your record

  • May4th on 11/01/2022 - 15:47
    +1

    perhaps only useful for those planning to enrol in it already.. if you are not willing to do the course for a fee then it's not something you should waste time on for free. most likely you'll see a large number drop out after the first 2 weeks and a waste of everybody's time

  • zhenjie on 11/01/2022 - 15:48
    +6

    Something smelly about this offer…

    • dealbrowser on 11/01/2022 - 16:01
      +14

      Jokes like this just show your lack of culture.

      • Strange1 on 11/01/2022 - 16:06
        -1

        :) i don't think the person who negged you got the joke

        • dealbrowser on 11/01/2022 - 16:07
          -2

          Penny finally dropped. Neg removed :)

    • 2ndeffort on 11/01/2022 - 16:09
      +1

      Agree, suspect something is brewing

  • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2022 - 16:07
    +9

    Does it come with edu email?

    • dealbrowser on 11/01/2022 - 16:07
      +9

      Asked in true OzBargain fashion.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2022 - 16:51
        +1

        Is there any other use for Undergraduate Certificate in Fermentation?

        • kiriakoz on 11/01/2022 - 16:53

          I mean, I would still do the course because I like making beer, but this is still a pertinent question.

          • [Deactivated] on 11/01/2022 - 16:57
            +1

            @kiriakoz: Can't you just find course book and read it? Or just watch hundreds youtube videos.

    • Kidsam on 11/01/2022 - 19:33

      I just finished my free certificate of sustainability with UTAS, and I believe I now have an edu email address for life.

      • Forenti on 11/01/2022 - 22:33

        I signed up for another course last week but just wondering, do you get a student card from the uni or anything like that? For example, is there a way to get student discounts from physical stores that have student prices?

  • Clear on 11/01/2022 - 16:20
    +7

    The basket weaving course was the highlight of UTAS years ago.

  • mdavant on 11/01/2022 - 16:38
    +3

    Imagine if you paid for this, you'd be stewing

  • mdavant on 11/01/2022 - 16:39
    -4

    And we wonder why the country is going broke

    • Soave on 11/01/2022 - 18:21
      +6

      Offering a few extra places for a course like this costs peanuts. Australian wine, dairy and other relevant industries employ lots of people, including many in small businesses in regional areas.

      Those businesses need people with skills to not only make products of a high quality, (supporting primary producers in the process) but also to test and verify that products are consistent and safe, which is where I’d expect to see many grads end up employed.

    • ripprind on 11/01/2022 - 18:46
      +6

      Quite a few countries are offering entirely free Uni education. It's considered a good investment in knowledge based economies.
      But I guess still enough coal and ore left so no need to change what's working.

      • mdavant on 11/01/2022 - 20:14
        -3

        If it is necessary and in demand the market can do it.

        Not the usual taxpayers.

        • Soave on 11/01/2022 - 20:28
          +1

          If it is necessary and in demand the market can do it.

          And we wonder why the country is going broke

          • mdavant on 11/01/2022 - 21:33

            @Soave: I know!

            If we all rely on the govt to pay our way, we will run out of high income earners who subsidise our lifestyles.

            Our govt is already broke.

            • Soave on 11/01/2022 - 21:58
              +1

              @mdavant: Mate I'm sorry but I don't agree with you.

              The market has already created the demand for these skills. The course offers skills that industry needs, translating to better jobs, more productivity and more tax being paid. A small brewery or dairy or whatever can't whip up an accredited certificate course for their one or two employees in a way that's economical.

              Adding a few free places to an existing course isn't a huge burden on the economy and at worst, it helps UTAS (in Australia's poorest state) keep the lights on. The market might say: shut UTAS down and have students move to the mainland and pay for their education but we might disagree at that point. ;)

              • mdavant on 11/01/2022 - 22:54
                -3

                @Soave: I never said they design a course, but they can fund the hecs for the employee.

                There is no need for taxpayers to pay more for uni if the course leads to jobs and jobs that pay well.

                Our country is in insane amounts of debt, public agencies such as most universities should provide courses with good job prospects at an affordable cost to society.

        • greatlamp on 12/01/2022 - 08:18

          Poverty isn't a choice.

          Oh, I'm sure they could get loans at 8% for their 40k basic degrees like they do in the USA. Your banking shares will love it. Thats what the 'free market' provides and the free market is perfectly efficient isn't it?

          I agree with the premise of your comment, but it won't work out the way you think.

          • mdavant on 12/01/2022 - 09:50
            +1

            @greatlamp: I am not saying to pay full price for a course.

            Current hecs is fair and reasonable.

            No need to further subsidise it to zero cost for a job with promise.

            The alternative argument is stuff it make all uni free and go down the debt gurgler even more quickly.

  • simgue on 11/01/2022 - 16:41

    Only showing as on campus for me. No online left?

    • Associatedrobinb15 @ University of Tasmania on 12/01/2022 - 16:00
      +1

      You can complete units fully online except for the ZAS121 Applied Microbiology Unit which has a 3-day workshop in Hobart. All content and tutorials for all units will be online.

  • Drakesy on 11/01/2022 - 16:44

    Is this the coalition's idea of restarting the Australian manufacturing industry?

    • sevendollarsfifty on 11/01/2022 - 17:13
      +1

      It's the coalition's way of presenting the Universities with a giant briefcase full of cash without it looking like a giant briefcase full of cash.

      • Drakesy on 11/01/2022 - 17:13

        Bahaha
        Fair point.

  • Gorodemon on 11/01/2022 - 17:02

    Will they teach me how to make kimchi as well?

    • MuddyClear on 12/01/2022 - 12:40
      -1

      Yes by COVID+ Mr Kim Chi who will spit on you if you do it wrong

  • deme on 11/01/2022 - 17:09
    -1

    Stop wasting our tax dollars on this trash.

    • SummerZero on 11/01/2022 - 17:25
      +2

      agree. this belongs in a tafe course, not a university

      • Soave on 11/01/2022 - 18:22
        +1

        TAFE is tax payer subsidised too

        • SummerZero on 11/01/2022 - 19:38
          +1

          I know that. I'd be surprised if the cost per student is the same for tafe & university though

          • Soave on 11/01/2022 - 20:05
            +2

            @SummerZero: Wait you agree with the guy who said it's waste of tax dollars because it's trash, however you think it's not trash if slightly fewer tax dollars are spent teaching the same thing at TAFE? What's your calculation there?

            • SummerZero on 11/01/2022 - 20:24
              +3

              @Soave: i think this kind of course doesn't belong in a university, particularly 100% funded, and i stand by that

              • greatlamp on 12/01/2022 - 08:29

                @SummerZero: It's ended up 100% funded via loopholes the university is abusing.

                I agree, these aren't university courses. But if you call it a university course you can access the university HECS system, which considers these units in a science degree, and pays the university a lot more per unit than the TAFE system would.

                For 4 units, the university is making $4187 for this course, per student.

                $16396 (total funding) - $8021 (student contribution - waived) - divided by 2 (as 4 units = 6 month load)

                https://www.dese.gov.au/higher-education-loan-program/resour…

    • sildosaggins on 12/01/2022 - 13:25

      Government wastes far more tax dollars on far more useless trash than this lol.

      • deme on 12/01/2022 - 13:39

        Two wrongs make a right or well if Scomo does it I can do it too?

        • sildosaggins on 12/01/2022 - 14:05

          Well I'd say tens of millions being wasted on an overpriced airport land deal (for example) is a far more pressing issue. This education deal is a drop in the pond of reckless spending.

  • hamwhisperer on 11/01/2022 - 17:44
    +1

    Apparently fermented foods are good for your belly.

    • MuddyClear on 12/01/2022 - 12:44

      Not for those on low FODMAP????

  • Wolfy on 19/01/2022 - 15:16

    I sent an email about this course (specifically the lab days) and was advised by UTAS Domestic Student Recruitment that:

    "Thank you for getting in touch with us.

    Our 2022 unit structure for this course has been updated.

    Undergraduate Certificate in Fermentation (Z0P) is available on campus only."

    Could be a big consideration for some.

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