https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-21/fake-meat-vegan-senat…
Do you guys feel like this is a real issue?
Have You Ever Mistakenly Bought Plant-Based Meat Instead of Real Meat When Shopping?
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Because the environmental impact is still less. Plant products don't emit methane, and the plants required to make alternative meats are already made to feed the cattle (and in bigger numbers).
@jrowls: Exactly! Although, meat eaters are trying to do us a favour by consuming those methane emitting beasts. Except the farmers keep growing them. Eliminate those methane beasts once and for all!
Healthier, better for the planet, doesn't involve animal cruelty. A few reasons.
I got a vegan whopper with cheese the other day, would that be cooked on the same grill too and would it make it false advertising/misleading?
Most people don't care where it's cooked.
I did this too, was left unsatisfied
Same (it was on one of their app deals!). Wasn't bad and didn't even realise it wasn't beef until I looked it up later!
Yes but that was only because I had no idea that Lord of the Fries was vegetarian only. I was wondering why the chicken nuggets tasted so weird but it's not anything I'd get worked up about.
I ate some of that 10 years ago and didn't think much of it, but I had no idea it was vegetarian
Next up "Soy milk" to be called "Soy juice". This argument comes up all the time from the precious dairy and meat industry who don't want fake meat - which WILL take over - to use those terms.
It is important - there was a product called Kalamari (greek style spelling for calamari) however it was actually a seafood extender product. Clever font's and sizes hide the actual product decceive the consumer and misrepresent the product. Beef has a specific legal, cultural, general and historical definition - changing the definition is adulteration and substitution.
The efforts by the fake manufactured faux meat industry to encroach upon an established industry BECAUSE they can't compete and develop a new market segment. If people wanted it they could call it 'mock meat' and it would still sell.
I expect my meat pie to contain meat not vegetable protein extender (yes I know limited amounts of extender are approved under law)
Clever font's and sizes hide the actual product decceive the consumer
not the same thing. you've provided an example of actual deceptive practice and then attached it to plant based meat.
It's not deceptive to say "soy milk" because you know what it is. Just like "plant based meat". It's become common vernacular that things like soy milk are used to refer to soy juice and by extension "plant based meat". It's your fault if you can't tell the difference as a consumer when presented with these options.
If people wanted it they could call it 'mock meat' and it would still sell.
By that logic you could call "meat" "muscle tissue of a former living creature" and it would still sell, right? what a silly argument.
expect my meat pie to contain meat
Yeah your meat pie definitely contains meat, just not the nice parts you're thinking.
VEGANS the most hostile subgroup on the planet.
It's not milk if it comes from grains
It's not meat if it is made in a factory from grains or 3D printed from stem cells
Not matter how much you wish and hope, your little unicorn is not real.
It seems the soy is affecting your emotions and critical thinking.
Chunky beef baked on premises pies tend to be acceptable.@[Deactivated]: I think the difference here is that the soy milk is not labelled as milk, but as "soy milk", as opposed to "milk". Milk, we would assume is from a cow. Soy milk, Almond milk etc we assume is from the product itself and a milky consistency.
@[Deactivated]: have to disagree. rabid vegans are hostile & idiotic but i wouldn't say they're the most hostile beings on the planet. that would be the anti-vaxers, anti lock-down & freedom marchers of recent times.
@[Deactivated]: Imagine having this much of the space in your brain dedicated to this absolute non-issue lmao
I bought fake meat once because it said BEEF BURGERS and below, in very small font, imitation product, or something to that effect
Calling something 'X meat', yeah I think most people would let it go, the word mete originally referred to all food. Calling something 'beef', that bears no relationship to cattle is too much. At what point does it end?
@BartholemewH: I have been fooled buying the off 'ready meal' which is advertised as e.g. butter chicken, but doesn't have chicken in it. It's not a big deal for me as I don't mind trying them, and usually buy these meals when they are reduced because they cost more than the ones that have actual fowl in them despite not having to grow a fowl, so it might also be because they have a big sticker across covering the description.
I can empathise though that it should be clear on the packaging what people are getting in to, there shouldn't be any misleading.
It's neither juice nor milk though… it's technically closer to being soy tea or soy infusion
'Soybean protein in water emulsion' doesn't have the same ring to it
I 100% support soybean protein in water emulsion lol
Yep I went to Lord of The Fries and didn't realise it was fake chicken till the second bite
It could be worse. You might accidentally buy dog food
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/perth-…
isnt that the food pensioners buy, on sale pet meat
He saw the dog prominently displayed on the packaging and figured it was dog meat for human consumption, was disappointed when he realised it was kangaroo meat for dogs.
Can't wait for lab growing protein: Eat a small piece, feels like a perfect steak. Keeps me slim. Currently eating too many Flax Seeds and Psyllium Husks so toilet time hardly ends. So nothing by accident as we do not drink before shopping.
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If you regularly buy your meat from coles and woolies and not your local butcher, you deserve to be disappointed
or even worse……if you buy meat from aldi.
wow their beef is terrible, like beyond bad
Thats your opinion. I've never had an issue with Aldi meat in 10 years. Seems like others agree.
ALDI was rated the undisputed champion of supermarket beef for the FOURTH year in a row!
Most people dont have real taste buds either - they wouldn't know what good meat is as they have never had it before
Look how popular Mcdonalds, KFC, hungry jacks, fast food and frozen meals are
also CanstarBlue is a meme review site
@MrThing: It will be the best average meat for an average person. If you want marble 12 Wagyu then you aren't shopping at colesworth.
@MS Paint: In the past few years I swapped from the supermarket meat to a butcher. pretty much the same price, but quality is a lot better.
Plus I hate those wafer thin steaks the supermarkets sell, has to be a quality new york steak which is 1inch thick and baked hard on the BBQ for a good crust but still pink in the middle.
@MrThing: We go for inch and half (40mm), Lets me get that good outer seer with the meat still perfectly juicy, I like my steak rare or blue rare. Only negative is the dry aged T-bones always weigh about 1-1.2kg's so I have to share with wife and of course she takes the best bits.
Anyone that has been to the sale yards and see the cattle that the supermarkets buy will understand why the butchers nearly always have better quality.
@MrThing: You talk about butcher … yet you don't understand what those wafer thin steaks aren't meant to be eaten like a New York Steak…
You will also find wafer thin steaks at butchers
You seem to be on a high horse but don't know that you're on a donkey
Have to agree, aldi meat is better than colesworth, but not as good as the butcher.
Aldi rib eye fillet is sensational. Nothing is colesworth like it.
It's probably the lowest grade of beef from aged dairy cows, however I can afford much better cuts than I could buying from Coles, which more than compensates
Yes, but can't say I really cared because I was more looking at the discounted price than the label.
I bet all those whinging meat industry lobbyists get pissed off when they buy mince pies at Christmas time.
Being a lobbyist is easy these days, create a problem out of nothing, feed it to the press then claim it's hurting people who pay you to fight on their behalf. All you have to do is then whinge loudly.
It's a lot easier than actually trying to improve the conditions for farmers in this country.
and there it is
That's a bad analogy as mincing is the process applied to the ingredient and not the ingredient itself.
'Fruit mince pie' and 'chunky meat pie' should conjure 2 completely different images. Mince and chunky just describe what the ingredients Fruit and Meat look like.Oh you mean like the word “meat” say when used to describe the flesh of a coconut?(https://images.app.goo.gl/pLhC2r6VpGtz267P6)
Yeah it seems most folks here don't realise that language is constantly evolving, and a lot of examples they provide such as how no one would confuse an "easter egg" with a real egg ignores the fact that once upon a time an easter egg was very much a common fowls egg.
No, because plant based meat looks nothing like real meat.
because sausages "look" like meat.
They do if made from real meat. Most people are content with flour and grease
Only time this has ever happened to me / my wife to any degree was when we were in Singapore at a restaurant and they had “impossible meatballs” for sale. No other information underneath, thought it must just have been related to deliciousness or something..
After we had them, googled it and found out it was plant based meat. They wernt half bad - but we haven’t been converted
not with meat but I have with cheese, bought bio cheese & wow it was so bad!
My wife accidently bought vegan sausages.
I thought they'd be fine, or at least edible, but they were the worst thing I can ever remember trying.
There's so little meat in most cheap sausages that it's hardly worth buying vegan.
There's very little meat in these gym mats…
Mine introduced me to Durians. We still call them "smelly bottom fruits" but I manage to aquire a taste for them!
No, but I've always wondered the point of its existence. Sounds like denial if you're a vegetarian craving for a non-meat patty or saussages..
It's like playing GTA rather than driving round and killing people IRL. Not too hard to understand if you want to.
Video Games = Violence ?
Exactly, or flavoured chips or ice cream. "Oh you want honey soy chicken chips? why not eat the real thing"
They're very different things IMO.
If someone is playing computer games WITH the desire to kill someone, there's something seriously wrong..
god forbid someone wants to eat something chewy
People like beef flavoured and textured patties but don't always want to eat meat. Doesn't sound like rocket science to me.
oh you've got to be kidding haven't you? a sausage or a patty is just a how the end product is presented. has anyone been able to produce a sausage or patty from a dead animal without some form of processing? should vegetarians & vegans foods be presented in a cube shape, a crescent shape, a rhomboid shape? a spiral shape? a rectangular shape? no shape at all? would that make you happier?
Sausages are basically copying cucumbers' shapes - like really, if you want that, why not just have a cucumber rather than kill some animal and fashion their flesh into the shape of a cucumber?
A large number of vegetarians like the eating aspect of meat. Just not the killing animal aspect of it.
People that can't tell the difference between real meat and fake meat by looking at it is ngmi.
Nope, but I accidentally ordered the HJ's Rebel whopper because I thought it was a spicy one. I actually didn't notice until I saw an ad that said it was plant-based.
What did you think of it?
almost bought a plant based ice cream
No meat, but sour cream, that was plant based and dairy free. Have to say looking at the label with the word 'sour cream' it wasn't obvious until I got home that it wasn't what it said on the label. Main reason I bought it was that it was the cheapest one on the shelf. Should have stuck to the brands I know. Lesson learnt.
Interesting that the vegan plant based one was the cheapest one on the shelf. Normally would expect the other way around, the normal one being cheaper and the vegan one being the more expensive.
Unless it was on clearance/reduced because no one wanted to buy it lol 😂
These products are fundamentally cheaper to produce. This allows higher margins, which is why large food processors are pushing them so hard (e.g. large sections in supermarkets despite low consumer demand).
Poll should include did it matter in the end? Artificial flavourings have been around forever. Soft drinks being the obvious example. Orange flavour, raspberry flavour and so on guzzled in the mega tonnes and nobody gave a shit. Now artificial meat flavoured products suddenly acts as a lightening rod? Gimme a break. It’s just self triggering because of your pride. Admit it!! Somehow eating something and being offered products allegedly good for you and the environment triggers Qanon style reactions. Get over it and buy what you want, smoke, don’t vax, use your phone while driving and never wear a seatbelt and stop being so threatened by changes in other people’s value system. Why would you care?? Huh? WHY? What’s the term? Oh yeah, self responsibility 😜
If the fruit lobby suddenly rises up and lambasts people for drinking Fanta then maybe it'll be an issue…
This is real for me. I’m allergic to soy products and fake meat often includes soy.
I don’t want fake products to be called meat or fake meat or have any suggestion that they are meat.
I’m sure you are really good at reading labels. Keep THAT up.
It’s important that labels not be misleading. As long as fake products don’t use words such as “meat” or refer to animals then I have no problem with them
I’ve had bad reactions to these products when others have bought them believing them to be meat.
There's lots of flavoured meat products with herbs and crumbs and flavourings that could contain anything that people are allergic to, and are real meat in the meat section.. Are people with allergies not reading ingredients labels which are there specifically for that reason?
Sounds like the beef lobbyists are afraid of the profit loss.
The meat industry in the USA pushed hard to remove the word meat or have any animal names or images on plant based foods and have them placed in a completely isolated section away from the meat sections because they are afraid that "consumers will be unaware and make uninformed decisions"… how nice of them to care so much 🙏
100% big agriculture corps pushing responsibility for continual profit loss onto plant-based bogeymen, instead of acknowledging that the continued environmental destruction is making it harder to farm, not to mention the overall late capitalism bubble being kept alive à la weekend at bernies making the logistics of industrialised meat production unviable. vegan for 9 years, happy for people to raise, kill and eat whatever animals they want. it's unrealistic to expect otherwise - it's the scale that's unsustainable.
Putting aside the fact that there is not such thing as plant-based meat, any more than there is a meat-based vegetable (meat is muscle, muscle is meat)…
Somewhat unethical marketing tactics from a group espousing ethical foods. Move along - no cred to see here.Yes, I got tricked, and it was awful. Even my vegetarian wife thought so and has been put off trying such crap again.
yep. just call it vegetarian or vegan. no need for the plant based moniker. plant based food can still contain animal products as it is plant based which does not necessarily exclude animal products in the ingredients. gotta read the label.
You've actually touched upon a good point. Plant-based is very much marketing lingo to make vegan food more 'palatable' to non-vegans. I personally don't like the term because one already exists for a food with no animal products; vegan. It really ignores the fact that someone who is turned off from a particular food item because it's labelled vegan isn't likely to be considering a 'plant-based' alternative anyway.
meat is muscle
So pork crackling isn't meat?
Liverwurst?
Marrow?
Stock made from bones?
Blood pudding?Yes, I got tricked, and
it was awfulI'm a bit thickFTFY
Yes it was a plant based chicken curry microwave meal with marked-down price. It didn't taste bad but i wouldn't buy it again. It was $14 marked-down to $4.
I'd notice the price tag change…
There has been at least three occasions I recall buying products without paying enough attention to realise they were plant based, two of those occasions it was apparent as soon as I attempted to eat that garbage, the third I realised before opening the package.
Definitely should be labelled clearer.
Do you think also, that possibly, a bit more attention to detail and focus, may also stop this from occurring? I know when I've stuffed up, it was because I was in a rush/distracted. And when that happens i figure it's on me. In saying that there's also deceptive…i bought Praise wasabi style mayo the other day… turns out there is exactly 0.00% wasabi in it. Pretty pissed.
Almost all "wasabi" is horseradish. You shouldn't have been surprised - and it's even labelled Praise wasabi STYLE mayo. That word, style, is often used when it's not the real thing.
Of course! If I walk past the bakery section for example, grab some bread and then see for instance 'brownie slice' … I might impulse buy that as a treat, later arriving home to find its 'plant based'…………….. yes this was one of the three occasions I recall being disappointed ;)
They should also do something about "sugar free" and "low fat" alternatives which use the same logos and branding I often don't realise that I've purchased until I open it.
I've never accidentally bought the wrong thing, however that does not mean it's mot an issue. Plant based products and animal based products should be specifically labelled as such. Plant based beef is just as non existant as animal based potatoes.
unlike meat products which contain absolutely no chemicals whatsoever. :>)