https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-21/fake-meat-vegan-senat…
Do you guys feel like this is a real issue?
Have You Ever Mistakenly Bought Plant-Based Meat Instead of Real Meat When Shopping?
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Have You Ever Mistakenly Bought Plant-Based Meat Instead of Real Meat When Shopping?
No. Because I'm not a (profanity)
Remind me how many letters are normally in your second last word?
I started off with fricking then used characters instead. Good pick up.
One of my vegetarian colleagues accidentally ordered and ate a meat pizza at the Xmas party so it is a problem both ways
Mught have to do with alcohol but it shows the importance of labelling
What happened next?
Number 8 will surprise you.
Just sad face from her but she moved on. It happens
Ii have seen it happen before vegetarians sometimes accidentally eat meat. It's confusing and having stuff that looks the same doesn't help.
@mdavant: I can't think of more sheep-like behaviour than spouting stuff like "sheeple" and "SJW" because all your incel mates say that
Try thinking for yourself for a change
You know, instead of moving your finger over the pages of a Jordan Petersen book one word at a time while your lips move
@GrueHunter: "moving your finger over the pages of a Jordan Petersen book one word at a time while your lips move"
Welcome to the wonderful world of being able to read.
@mdavant: @mdavant Spot on, mate! I couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that you got downvoted says a lot about the audience here. Have a top Christmas
Aren't meat pizzas usually labelled as such though..?
I think it said supreme, sometimes that's meat sometimes not
As I said it's confusing and labelling can be better
@Tleyx: I'd like to know who's advertising supreme pizza without at least one meat-based ingredient…
@Tleyx: Dominos has a vegan and a vegetarian variant of the supreme which are clearly labelled and look very different to the meat supreme variants.
@Xuaxace: I guess that's the point that people want clear labelling
And for non meat products to not look like meat products so there is no confusion. Just like dominos manage to do
@Tleyx: Supreme pizza ALWAYS have meat it in.. Unless stated otherwise.
I think for people with special dietary requirements, the onus is on them to check the ingredient.
Edit: i.e. if you're vegetarian… don't assume that things that aren't clearly labelled vegetarian to be so.
@buckethat: One should be responsible for own actions.
If I have a special requirement, I pay attention to the ingredients.
One day, accidentally ordered a pizza that had beef (we don't eat beef), but realized the same before delivery, so we gave it to our neighbours.
Similarly, when woolies sent us a replacement product that had beef, we gave it to someone we know.
If you bought something that you don't want, please either return the product or throw it.
"Got drunk and 'accidentally' ate a meat lovers pizza"
This reminds me of a Mr Show sketch where reformed homosexual David Cross is on a Christian talk show giving an interview about the gay conversion camp that he went to and how he's been straight for the past 8 months, not including the three relapses he's had.
"After the break, Dave will tell us about the relapse he has planned for his trip to Cancun over the long weekend!"
No, because I have 2 eyes to read what is printed on the packs, like most normal people.
I could spot the difference with my third eye. It's use to seeing shit.
Nice innuendo there!
I’m just asking people’s opinions
You now have them.
I consider this a dick move.
Why?
I think OP croaked.
“ribbit”
Have You Ever Mistakenly Bought Plant-Based Meat Instead of Real Meat When Shopping?
OP looking for a problem that doesn't exist…
Pretty sure he's asking this question because other idiots are trying to push to ban calling plant-based products 'Chicken/beef free'
I'm certainly not one to try to ban plant based products as my sister was vegan although now vegetarian but the use of words like milk to describe products like soy and almond liquid as milk is not right. It is not milk.
There has been chicken and beef substitutes where that fact is not in the front label but in the ingredient list on the back. Admittedly it was a couple years ago when I saw this that is why some people are not happy due to deceptive marketing.
If you can't tell the difference between "Milk" and "Almond Milk" or "Chicken Schnitzels" and "Chicken free Schnitzels" then you need to get some glasses or pay someone to shop for you.
My mother in law somehow bought Chicken free schnitzels and was so disgusted by the thought she couldn't even watch me eat them.
The chicken free schnitzels were in the vegan section of the supermarket; several shelves away from all other chicken products so she obviously didn't even read the packaging. That's not the fault of the packaging.If you buy a car and when you go to pick it up it ends up being a quad bike that's your mistake for thinking because it has 4 wheels and an engine it has to be a car.
lol yes
parents done it toowent to get chicken soup once (Campbell's in a cartoon) it was chicken free chicken soup lol
Not sure if cartoon soup counts…
Stop drawing conclusions
Yeah! That's a job for MS Paint
I admit back in my younger days I made the mistake of buying Massel "Chicken" stock powder and even though it says "Vegan friendly" I didn't join the dots till I wondered why it tasted like crap.
in reckon
maybe the washed a chicken and that's chicken stock vegan freindly, the bath water
#OnlyFans?
Interesting. I'm an omnivore but I buy Massel because it's the only stock that doesn't taste like somebody stirred some Vegemite into water
It definitely has its place, I add it along with 'Real Stock' (whatever the f that is) makes a really good combo.
I "stock up" :P on the red Continental one nowadays. Dunno what's in it, maybe I don't want to know lol, but suits my taste for a chicken stock and doesn't try to be vegan friendly.
If I want something stronger at times I just throw in some Knorr chicken powder lol
Good gravy!
Why thank you! It's just brown and water!
A lot of stock powder is just spices which go well with whatever meat it's for (in this case, chicken).
My butcher only sells the real stuff. Big shout out to H.Briss and Son in Royston Vasey.
The nosebleeds are a bit of a drawback
Thanks for the support.
Kind Regards,
HilaryYou're welcome. I'll be in for my special order on the way back from visiting Tubbs and Edward's shop.
You're not old enough for the special stuff…
Probably is if he’s got a dashcam
For the same people who need warnings on bottles of bleach telling them not to drink it.
Unless you're in America and your president at the time recommends it
Lol at the negs. The (very special) truth hurts.
Anyone stupid enough to listen to that really is doing the world a favour by following what he says.
No but I have mistakenly bought a burger from Lord of the Fries not knowing it wasn't meat.
It really really tested my life long principle to never waste food.
do lord of the fries sell anything that is edible?
Poutine is epic
tried lord of the fries at melbourne central. the whole "meal" was disgusting & binned. waste of $s. with so many options available they have 1 chance to impress. they didn't. never again.
One of my mates did this. I bought some chips and didn't realise he bought a burger. He is a big meat guy and wasn't impressed. It was so funny.
Haven't voted -
Have I ever bought fake meat by mistake? No - I go to a butcher
Have I ever bought fake animal products by mistake - yes. Friggin cheese (if that's what you can call it).Is it an issue. Yes. I agree with the farmers on this one. It's as much about IP and marketing as anything else.
If people want to eat all plants, good on them. But they shouldn't be able to co-opt images, wording, marketing and the whole persuasive language that revolves around that.
Nah - the "IP" argument is the dairy and meat industry trying to cling on to their last remaining faculties. Humans are creatures of habit and we name things after their use - not after what they actually are. If two things are called "meat" and one is more popular than the other - let the market decide.
Also see all the trite examples of people calling things "butter" etc when they are not and noones had a problem with it until it effects someone's bottom line as there is a superior option
Margarine?
Can't believe it's not butter which tasted like arse and was a failure in the Aussie market
Mmm yep.
Margarine isn't called butter. Coconut butter, cream of tartar (containing no cream lol), many other examples I can't think of right now where noone cared until margins start to bite.
And yes - that's exactly what I'm advocating for. If it's a bad product, it's a bad product.
@Scantu: Well now I'm outraged. You'll be telling me peanut butter is dairy free next. CHANGE TEH LABLE IM CONFSUED
@Scantu: Ironically this doesn't support your argument. Margarine is not allowed to be called butter because it doesn't meet the definition of butter…Exactly as meat producers are asking for beef, meat etc to be protected terms.
It's no different to how you can't call a food product organic if it's not, or low fat or low salt. Similarly you should not be allowed to describe a product as meat when it is not meat. By all means sell it. Call it something else. Spend the money marketing it.
@lunchbox99: I'd like to see a source for that - but regardless, it completely does support my argument - have you heard of peanut butter? Or literally any other thing that humans name by the way we use it, rather than the reality of the substance. We are notoriously bad at naming things for their use rather than their actual nature - just in general.
It's no different to how you can't call a food product organic if it's not, or low fat or low salt. Similarly you should not be allowed to describe a product as meat when it is not meat. By all means sell it. Call it something else. Spend the money marketing it.
There's only one reason for this sort of statement - spoked by the fear of the industry knowing that it is game over and that people will shift, and these pearls are the last they can clutch. That's the reality.
Low fat and low salt describe very specific elements of the substance. "Meat" or "milk" is a collection of things, used for a purpose.
Don't remember people like you ever getting your panties twisted over peanut butter or coconut meat - wonder what's brought this on!
@Scantu: Mate I'm not guessing - there are food standard regulations across a large number of products. It is specifically designed to stop charlatans from misleading consumers by selling products that includes different, low quality, unsafe, or cheap ingredients. For example, selling butter where you substitute dairy fat for vegetable oil. Once you go outside the food standard criteria you can no longer legally call it butter.
But since you asked - here is the food standard for butter (plus and related legislation and schedules)
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015L00423You can see other food standards here
https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/code/Pages/default.aspxSo the issue with calling something that does not contain meat or beef etc "meat" and "beef" is entirely within the normal remit of food standards. It clarifies what producers are allowed to name products based on their ingredients.
I'm not against fake meat. I would eat it myself no problem, but I do think the current marketing strategies are 100% trying to leverage the brand and market of traditional meat. The plant protein producers know this too - which is why they don't want these labelling laws to be put in place.
@lunchbox99: What are you talking about - I asked for a source, thanks? Where did I say you were guessing - mate?
I'm going to blow your mind: Peanut butter is on sale in the shops. You better call the police, quickly! I'll also say - you've pointed to legislation as absolute truth of the word butter, but in the end that is also just some people's opinion.
the issue with calling something that does not contain meat or beef etc "meat" and "beef" is entirely within the normal remit of food standards.
It actually specifically isn't, which is why this inquiry was launched, so you're not correct there. And once again, I am saying, people associate those words with a useage rather than a definition - it's all subjective in the end.
I don't care what you are or aren't against.
I do think the current marketing strategies are 100% trying to leverage the brand and market of traditional meat.
Exactly - you have hit the nail on the head. That's why these guys are scared - so they're going to hang on to words because that is all they can think of before being wiped out. Not so virtuous about the English language hey?
Not only is going after that market the prudent move - it's literally the point. What market would you be going after making a meat substitute, and then not going after the meat market? It's not some genius plot it's just bloody obvious.
@Scantu: Well I’m talking about federal legislation. You’re just talking out your arse about how you reckon things should work. Oddly enough the law is governed by the legislation, not your uninformed speculation.
@lunchbox99: You didn't reply to any of my salient points so I take it you have no rebuttal to them.
You'd be right if I was telling you the law is X, but in reality it's Y, but when have I said that?
"the law says so" is a particularly bad justification when it isn't combined with some other factor. Do you think that these laws we have currently are immutable since the beginning of time?
But even within that framework - you still better call the police about peanut butter! Or… do you understand that there is more to it than just the legislation you linked.
@Scantu: You haven’t made any salient points. You’re just making stuff up about a topic you clearly have no actual knowledge about.
Peanut butter is not butter and nobody can call margarine butter as was your original spurious claim that I replied to in this thread because it’s against the law. It’s just plain nonsense. I realise you don’t know anything about the topic so I don’t feel it’s productive use of my time responding to this nonsense.
@lunchbox99: Funny how your contribution is just repeatedly stating that I don't know anything - feels as if it may be projection…
Wait peanut butter is not butter? But it says butter in the name!
You’re just making stuff up about a topic you clearly have no actual knowledge about
Likewise, my friend. Perhaps my rationale is going over your had as it is too complex for you to understand, leaving you to be under the false apprehension that I have not added anything here. That's your fault - not mine.
Humans are creatures of habit and we name things after their use
Yeah because some people who won't eat meat still want to live the illusion of doing so for some reason…
yea right and lesbians should not be able to use dildo AM I RITE THAT IS FUNNY
smartazz104. hilarious! what a grandiose statement!
@smartazz104: not at all. i find it hilarious & couldn't give a toss what you consume. fill your boots. this is a stupid argument by the meat industry because more people are adopting a meat free diet & they can see there bottom line shrinking. it's about market share. that's all. as kowalski from ren & stimpy says. MEAT!
@smartazz104: Shame I missed your comment! Deleting your own comments, totally not a mark of someone who is a bit upset themselves right.
In what reality is me saying "let the market decide" emotional in any capacity. Sounds like you're standing on shaky foundations yourself.
I accidently ordered a vegan burger at Hungry Jacks. Rebel Whopper didn't sound vegan to me, I was expecting something like the Angry whopper.
Technically it's meat replacement since it's cooked on the same grill as their meat products so they therefore can't call it vegan. I tried one the other day after watching a webinar on the creation of V2 Foods and actually quite enjoyed the Rebel. I'm not vegetarian or vegan at all but the idea of being able to at least reduce meat intake is appealing to me
So it was a non-meat product covered in meat juices and oil. Of course it tasted somewhat OK.
why would you want to reduce your meat intake so you can eat something grown in a lab with industrial seed oils and refined processed grains?
Poll?
But no
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