If you own a Tesla Model 3, tell us about your experience.
Any regrets? How's depreciation? Bought new/secondhand? Any issues?
Also.. just wondering for the general ozBargainer.. is a Tesla Model 3 something you'd ever consider, not over a Camry of course, but do you think it's worth it?
I'm going through my half yearly phase where I really want a new car and going down the rabbit hole, this time its for the Model 3. Just want to know what everyone's thought on it is.
Yes, about 11 months old now, and 20,000km driven between Brisbane and Townsville in QLD. I don't know what to say to people saying they're boring to drive. Either bullshitting, or… yeah just bullshitting. I have a lot of ICE loving friends and family who would certainly be brutally honest with me if they thought it was a crap car, but so far I've only heard things like, "I want one", "it's so f***ing effortless!" etc. Maybe you, dear reader, don't like them. That's fine, it's not the car for you.
I travel a lot for work. Many months of the year my fuel cost would be over $600, so there was a lot of economical sense moving to an EV that I charge for 'almost free' from solar. I have a 6c FiT from solar so I'd rather $3 fill my car up than be wasted contributing to negative energy cost during the day. Something I didn't think beforehand was how much I really hated driving to servos and smelling petrol fumes when I filled up. I'd actually drive until I had 15km left if I could to avoid it.
I also drive more on weekends that I used to, just for fun. Before I always felt bad about how much fuel I was using but I feel a fair bit less guilty when it's starpower.
I personally have not had any vehicle dramas. Did cop my first broken windscreen which has taken a bit longer for the glass place to get sorted. If i were in a capital city others are saying it's just a matter of days though, so it's a consequence of being on the bleeding edge.
No panel gaps, paint issues, or fit issues. Anecdotally those problems seem to have been sorted a long time ago.
To your first point, doesn't really matter how long it takes to charge a car if the car is sitting there doing nothing anyway. No one whinges about a 60 min charge time for your phone because you do it while you sleep.
I think you're stereotyping Tesla owners. I'm interested in one - for the amount of time I own cars it's a pretty compelling business case tbh and my previous car is doesn't cease to exist because I've bought another. Someone else gets to buy and use it, and it's probably better for the environment than the car they're moving out of.
If you don't want an electric car, that's fine. Why get worked up over people that do? They don't need to justify their decisions to you or anyone. Just like you don't need to justify yours.
@pompompom: Yeah for all the Perth to Sydney trips you do every week. Just rolling my eyes at this comment.
@meowsers: Mate I do very frequent overnight trips where I stop to refuel. It takes me 5 min. 12 hours and the trouble of looking for a charger esp if you are in a small town are not worth it for me.
Perth to Sydney is an example. You should be rolling your eyes in the mirror at how dense you are.
@pompompom: I too do the Nullarbor pretty frequently. I doubt it’ll be EV friendly until the big rigs move over to the zappy stuff too. That being said, I rarely do the trip unladen too, so would need a large suv/4wd (which I have). I wouldn’t do it in an ev because of animal damage- I doubt they’ll take a bullbar.
I carry almost 300L of diesel which can easily get me from Ceduna to Perth with plenty left over. I love doing the trip non stop (hence the concern about animals and night driving). I also am aware I am not the average driver- most people enjoy regular stops (and even if refuelling dino juice rarely just fill and go- there’s the wee stop, choccy milk, meat pie, stretch legs, poo stop, nappy change, fast food waiting etc. an hour maybe?)
It’s a horses for courses thing. I would happily go ev for east coast driving, doing anything but towing. West coast sadly ev is relegated to in town or within SW WA for my use case.
It’s also why I am very disappointed to see ev mandates being discussed- they ignore the fringes of the bell curve.
@pompompom: Calm down. Your getting pretty worked up about people liking EVs. Also if you are driving between Perth and Sydney, I would not recommend buying an EV.
reminds me of when the Prius was the new hybrid car and LA movie stars were virtue signalling by driving a Prius rather than their usual Porsche or such
I drive little, so my old car worth $200 (to a wrecker) that runs perfectly is on the money for value as I see it
if I bought a new car - I read the cheapest Suzuki might cost $5Kpa in running costs (I think mostly depreciation/loss of value) - and more expensive cars proportionally -
although I've read Tesla owners claiming they hold their value, or could maybe sell for more than they paid ?
I read build quality was shabby - stories of roofs coming off - oops !
over the road from me is a recovered stolen car - was a shiny new hybrid, now dinted, damaged after joyriders and missing front bumper - the returned owner told me due to COVID she didn't get insurance - so for 3 months while the car was missing, she had to keep up payments - and now she's got a heavily damaged car that's difficult to even start to think about how to fix - shiny new car no more … :-(
20,000km in 11 months
Many $600 fuel bill months.. driving a tank?
Finally a red blooded QLDer telling us like it is.
You, and most other Tesla owners find it incredibly exciting as you've likely never owned a modern performance ICE vehicle.
A friend has had a 3 Performance a couple of years now after owning various high-performance ICE cars, and despite the 3 being noticeably faster in a straight line, intends on going back to ICE due to the 3's lack of emotion and character.
It's like being on a rollercoaster ride. It makes you go "wow" and leaves you in disbelief at the sheer unrelenting acceleration, all whilst in relative silence. But after a while you get used to it. It doesn't make you grin every time you put your foot down, even years later, like a V8 or turbo ICE car with DCT or manual gearbox and exhaust does.
Massive EV fan. Hate Elon.
(Wish I could justify spending $60+k on a car, EV or not)
I’m the same. I want an EV, I just don’t want to give that flog any money.
Curious to know whether the CEO of any other business influences your purchasing decisions? E.g. would you choose to go to Woolies over Coles because you hate the Coles CEO, or whether you choose to use Windows because you hate Tim Cook…etc.
Not defending Elon or justifying all the whacky things he does, but who the CEO of a company is has never really factored into my own personal purchasing decisions, so just curious.
I think that’s what it comes down to for me to..
It’s that I can’t justify 60k+ regardless of being EV or ICE
to me the industry, any industry is full of dicks at just about every level
i dont buy from amazon or apple
you have to make your choice but its an easy choice to avoid an expensive car i guess?
Still waiting for the $35k model Elon promised
That car existed. It was available off the menu in the US for years. You just had to ring up and ask for it. It's not available anymore, because inflation, but it was 100% available, and plenty of people bought them. That said the SR+ was always better value, so more people bought them.
No, I'm sure the reference is to the US$25k Tesla - Model 2 but not called Model 2.
Model 3 = California Camry
Boring styling, questionable quality and design. No wiper stalks, no center speedometer, everything touch screen - distracting. Elon is the knob and Tesla fanbois really put me off ever owning a Tesla. Which is a shame because I like the model S I test drove.
Kia EV6 looks promising and Ford F150 lightning if I was a tradie. However all too expensive
😂
you're pissing on a camry unneccesarily
every camry i've driven since year dot has had very good build design execution NVH… its sad that NO Tesla has the final constructiion that a 95 camry has (but then what car really does????)
you name it i like it in a camry… except for acceleration handling engine performance front and rear end grip and that sort of thing
you name it i like it in a camry… except for acceleration handling engine performance front and rear end grip and that sort of thing
So all the fun stuff.
True, over a decade a Camry will still be chugging along on the wrong side of the road.
Tesla battery by then may have to be replaced at costing more than value of the car, let alone anything else that fails. Model X is a money pit that makes R32 GTRs ownership cheap.
Early Model 3 bumpers fly off at highway speeds, so would be car you lease and not own.
@Bid Sniper: I got a 31 yo camry runs like a dream and relaxing to drive. Wouldn't get rid of it as don't see any point.
@[Deactivated]: They will keeping going. Tesla might be a decade ahead in terms of battery and drivetrain tech. However they are at least two decades back in terms of durability and quality.
One Camry Id like to have, just need some despot regime flags printed up. In all seriousness Ive been looking at used Lexus SUVs.
https://www.j-spec.com.au/lineup/Toyota/Century/V12/id-D79
In 8 years, 2030 EV will be the ONLY choice in a NEW car/sedan segment world wide. Additional/increased taxes on CARBON fuels will see the maths make more sense for an EV as well as government mandates and rebates. It will not be an option as ALL CAR MAKERS gear up for the >2030 CO2 targets. This will be achieved by the implementation of newer battery technology on a wide scale that will allow, faster charging and much longer distances (>600-900 per charge)
Some 'sports' and accomodation changes will match this as caravans and 4wd will suffer a massive drop off in the future (until the van itself evolves with its own power) and the 4WD is another segment that may well go the way of the standard sedan or the old wagon. Cars will be smaller for the most part as city parking spaces shrink and 'SMART' merging and distance management is now the norm.
This is the future. Many wont have a car in ciitys. You will order one for a pickup and then it will just URBER itself to its next ride. More of a taxi than anything
My diesel cruize hatch was bought to bridge this 'gap' that Im now just about over half way through. I wont be buying another NEW carbon based fueled car again and my tranistion point is about 2035 to a used EV. I already have a EV Scooter that can do 100kph and 150km (on private land, tracks and trails) that cost me 5k. Its my weekend ride of preference!
This will be achieved by the implementation of newer battery technology
What battery technology is this?
4wd aren’t going away. They’ll go electric, just as easily as other passenger cars. Long range touring might change a bit to deal with range and charging batteries, or will go hydrogen.
Hydrogen will be the only viable option for remote touring duties. There ain’t no charging stations in the middle of the Gibson. Again, it’s a fringe use case but extremely important to consider when mandating technology changes
Good car. Recommend.
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Yes have owned since March 2020. In my opinion the cons are starting to outweigh the pros. I worry about future quality issues/costs and resale value. I'm contemplating selling. Suggest you look at other manufacturers as well. Also book a test drive or hire one via Evee and make up your own mind from there.
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Yes I have a 2020 Model 3 SR+. To answer your initial questions:
- I have some regrets and am considering selling it, somewhat conflicted really.
- Depreciation is minimal at this stage. I could sell now and pretty much make my money back, however this is more due to chip shortages and long lead times on brand new cars. The price of new has actually gone down since I purchased. As more models come on the market, costs come down, and the used market has more stock then depreciation is likely to be much higher.
- Bought new in March 2020.
- Yes have had quite a few issues and trips to the service centre. Will detail below.
I liked the blog post @decryption linked in their reply, my thoughts align very closely with theirs.
Firstly the things I like / the good:
- The Model 3 is fun, exciting, effortless, great to drive. Best car I've ever driven.
- Tesla's battery and powertrain are the best available. Other manufacturers are still catching up.
- Charging at home is very convenient. I love not having to visit a petrol station anymore.
- Sentry mode is a really cool idea and should be on all cars.
- Booking a service via the app, and the app in general is very easy and convenient.
Now for the bad / the reasons that edge me towards selling it:
- Build quality is bad for a car this expensive. I've taken it to the service centre 7 times for various fixes including rattles, wind noise, and the wheels clicking when turning.
- Panel gaps everywhere
- Body paint colour is inconsistent across panels
- Auto-wipers don't work. They use the car's autopilot cameras + software to try determine when it's raining. A traditional rain sensor in any other car works much better.
- Auto-high beams have same issue as the wipers. The camera + software isn't as reliable as a regular sensor.
- There is a weird damp kind of smell that comes out of the A/C system. Gross.
- Phantom braking is a pain in the arse and makes using just basic cruise control a nightmare.
- Service centres don't have capacity for the amount of new owners and quality issues being presented. Can take weeks to get bookings and parts can be very scarce.
- The glovebox should have a button/handle on it to open. Trying to open via the screen is a pain and dangerous.
- Various software issues, freezes, and general lagginess.
- The built in voice recognition is trash compared to what you find on iOS or Android, it never understands me properly. E.g I say "open glovebox" it hears "open god book"
- The infotainment system (in my opinion) is nowhere near as good as CarPlay/Android Auto. In the Tesla I'm limited to Spotify, TuneIn, and Tesla's maps (which are updated maybe once per year). However with CarPlay I can use any music service, any podcast app, any maps app (which are more up to date and feature complete), have better phone and messaging functionality, and use other apps such as audiobooks and MS Teams. I also get Siri which is not great but is much better than the built in system.
- The single centre screen is a pain. I miss having a display directly in front of me behind the steering wheel.
- The car is designed for self-driving first. Being driven by a person it seems was almost an after thought. Which is what will happen because self driving is a long way away.
- The community is generally very supportive/helpful, but can be quite toxic with tunnel vision (i.e. Elon/Tesla can do no wrong).
- I despise Elon as a person/CEO/leader and don't like that I'm indirectly supporting him by owning a Tesla.
In summary:
- I worry what will go wrong with the car in the near future, how much its going to cost me, and how easy it will be to sell in say 3-5 years time.
- While the prices in the used market are inflated I'm considering selling and trying to make my money back.
- I don't know what I would buy to drive in the interim.
- I absolutely love driving an EV and believe they are the future. I just may need to wait a couple more years for my vision of the ideal EV to come on the market.
As a side note do not pay for Full Self Driving (FSD). Never ever ever pay for the promise of future functionality or to be a beta tester, particularly something as difficult as self driving.
This is a really good and honest take!
Must say that I completely agree with you. At the end of they day, I think the issue with a Tesla is that they're built as a tech product (similar to a computer or a phone), not as a car. A lot of the design, QC, and tech decisions they've made do not have longevity in mind.
It's a shame because, as you say, EV's are super fun to drive. On top of that, you're simply not going to find a faster / more fun car to drive at around that price point.
Is yours a US or Shanghai model?
US
I asked Tesla if I would order one where it would be made. The reply was: We do not know!
@payless69: I thought all models purchased in Australia were Shanghai models? I've just purchased a model 3, now I'm wondering - is there an even chance of US-built versus Shanghai?
@soaringphoenix: Once they crank up mass production for the RHD market there is no going back. HK will be their darling test ground, Singapore has approved imports and as far as I know China production is gap free, Endless ships are also departing for the UK. Unknown what type of batteries, I guess CATL ones and also wondering if the blinker will be on the right side?
Currently renting a Megane, Yuck!
All eyes will be on Berlin where each gigacaster will churn out 1000 model Y arses every 24h. Greenies are running storm against Musk but the casters, I believe they have 5 of them will produce for the whole world. Compact SUV are Europe's prefered car shape no matter what the patriotic magazines and advertising money starved media will come up against Tesla. I doubt that they even bother to have a need to make mod Y RHD there. Looks like we have to wait for China again?
Hey, thanks a bunch for the writeup.
Really good to hear the perspective of an owner that isnt completely a fanboy. Quite surprised that Tesla does not support CarPlay/Andriod Auto.
I've read that the models coming out of Shanghai are much better in terms of panel gaps and general quality. All the cons you pointed out seem to show Tesla's inexperience compared to other legacy manufacturers.
Weirdly, Self Driving was never something I cared for. I don't believe that the technology will be reliable enough even in the next 5 years that I would be willing to put my life in its hand.
Will definitely be keeping an eye on the other brands. Maybe a plug-in hybrid would be a good compromise.
No worries at all. It's a bit of a shame really as I want to love the car, was planning on keeping it for 10 years.
I've also heard the Shanghai built cars are much better in terms of fit and finish. However, they apparently also use a new/different battery technology (LFP). I can't find reliable info online as to whether these batteries are better or worse.
If it were me I wouldn't bother with a plug-in hybrid. I'd try as best you can to stick with what you've got for another 2-3 years and see what comes on the market. Everything is heading towards EVs, prices are going to fall, and there will be much more models to choose from. Good luck!
I'll probably go for a test drive of the Model 3 just to experience it but I'll most likely end up taking your advice and probably wait a few more years until Tesla has ironed alot more kinks and better EV from competitors. Hell my current car will probably last me 10+ years anyways (Camry).
From my brief reading about the LFP battery, main disadvantage seems to be lower energy density? So less range I suppose.
@buckethat: To be honest I believe a lot of techinoz's dislikes have been fixed or significantly improved in the 2021 MIC models. I have a 2021 and have no issues with paint, build quality, panel gaps etc. The 2021 version also has a heat pump and other extras (motorised tailgate etc.).
The 2021 model has increased range over the 2020 even with the heavier LFP batteries that you're recommended to charge to 100% over the 2020 model recommendations (85-90%). I think the LFP batteries are much better tech but not seen on the other variants as they would make the cars too heavy.
I was worried about android auto/carplay not being included when I made the switch too but has been a non-issue for me. I used AA all the time on my previous car and don't find myself missing it at all. The Tesla built in interface is quite nice and easy to use IMO.
I think the 2021 update significantly improved the overall package over the US made 2020 models. Have no regrets with mine whatsoever and would recommend test driving one.
@devize: Glad to hear mate! In hindsight I should have waited for the MIC model (although in fairness at the time I purchased I don't think we even knew about them).
Another plus on the 2021 MIC models is the factory default chrome delete. Each to their own, but I much prefer the look of the 2021 with black door handles and trim over the 2020 with chrome.
Surprised on lack of carplay support as well. And it's native system seems not as good as carplay based on the review…
Hope a software update can fix this.
Want one - Tesla Model Y. Can't afford one. Need to find another job. Plan locked in.
I do not own a Tesla i would consider one if i had money but I probably would get my EV from a legacy car maker as Tesla are the least reliable car brand on the planet
Where you pulling that data?
It’s probably based on that American reliability survey that considers a sign of unreliability if the boot won’t open or the radio stops working.
In terms of reliability of drivetrain, and EV has significantly less to go wrong so should be more reliable in terms of getting from a-b
https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/tesla-least-reliable-new-car/….
Source
Pretty sure a number of people have died from Issues with Tesla's esp early on
lol speak facts and you get downvoted shows how dumb people here are
Not a Model 3 but been an EV driver for the last 2 years.
Purchased Model S P90D in 2019
Learned a lot since owning, best 2 online resources for EV's are abetterrouteplanner.com and plugshare.com
Charging was way less of an issue than I thought it would be. Assuming off-street parking with a 240V outlet, most people would be able to live off 10A charging only. Also the number of charging stations in the last 2 years has more than doubled, so more and more charging options means less and less worry.
Good points re tesla.
-No thought required when planning trips, just put in your destination, it'll work out all the charging stops, app will tell you when you have enough charge to continue.
-app is very big part of the experience, turn on AC or heating prior to entry. Share destination to car from google maps. Always connected means, alarms / sentry events are notifications on your phone. Kids want to wait in the car while you're still shopping, unlock it remotely, they sit in car with AC on no engine running required.
-No fuel. Don't have to worry about price fluctuations. I found plugging and walking away, allot more convenient than standing next to a stinky bowser for the duration of the fill.
-Instant and quiet acceleration, it never gets old and doesn't annoy anyone with noise.
Bad points.
-Service locations aren't everywhere yet, ok if you're close to one, not so much if you're not.
-Parts are expensive when out of warranty.eg ~$2000 for a new headlight when DRL leds die.
-performance model eats tyres
-Lots of things to go wrong, lots of known issues, but improve with each generation (always improving, just no "year refresh")
Sold Tesla this year for $15k profit, bought a Zoe for $25K and an env200 for work van.
Zoe is a no fuss car that can do 250km at freeway speeds or 400km around town,
env200 is good for ~130km
Cant imagine going back to an ICE vehicle, the benefits of EV (for me) far outweigh the negatives.
Great insight, edging me closer to selling my Model 3 and hopefully recouping the cost.
Yeah, I was the same (read your previous post) but the question of what else to get, if you were worried about your model 3, model S is an earlier car with lots more stuff to go wrong and expensive out of warranty.
For me the Zoe is a fantastic car, even though no fast charging (but does 22kW AC, ironically charges faster at tesla destination chargers than most teslas), is relatively simple and just works, A leaf with the same size battery costs > $40k.
I like the IONIQ 5, but cant bring myself to buy new and wear the depreaciation.
If I were you I'd probably keep the '3 and wait for an increase in EV choices and decrease in prices.
Thanks for the feedback and I think you may be right. As much as I worry about the 3 and what could go wrong/what it will cost me. There are limited other comparable EVs on the market and I don't think I could bring myself to drive an ICE car again for another 3 years.
There aren't many charging station around Australia. For this reason I'm out.
Have you bothered looking? Trust me.. there's plenty. And the most important one is at your house.
I have absolutely no reason to get out of Sydney especially now like as if I have a choice.
Do your research before posting comments like this. This couldn't be farther from the truth. And as others have said, most people will charge at home and never need to visit a charging station.
Its a stupid argument anyway. If you can afford a $60k Tesla you can afford a 2nd car which is petrol.
Hell drive around suburbs, how many cars do you see per household? Its a specious argument as if people are restricted to one car as if their life depended on it.
I actually asked this around work and it came out that having one car was a rarity… lady has a little hatch to get to work, man has an SUV or 4x4, inlaws if they lived their has their own car + kids.
I bought a Tesla but I definitely can’t afford a second car.
This is so stupid. So you are saying the cost of owning tesla is that you have to own, pay rego, park and service an ICE car as a backup. No thanks.
P.s. my household owns one car. Alot of ppl tram/train to work and own one household car for trips. Your comment is baseless.
@pompompom: 1.8 cars
Did you know there are 17,158,195 cars in Australia? That's equivalent to 92.5% of households that have a car, or 1.8 cars per household. An additional 915,658 brand new passenger vehicles and sports utility vehicles were bought last year (2017). The average age of an Australian car is 9.9 years old.29 Mar 2021
"baseless"
your mum is based
@DryScissors: i would imagine tesla isnt about to get into fleets as yet due to the whole debacle so far with promsing 1,000 cars to avis etc in the us and not being able to deliver
further fleets seem to have their lease calculations based on petrol use over 3-5yrs and so any lease on teslas seem to be more expensive than they should be
Look not Gen 1 and not any time soon, but eventually, yes a Tesla and of all of them probably a Model 3 or Y, it'll depend on trims.
Sure, competition, but it's everything the charging network for longer trips, their efficiency, and they're now decent quality cars, took them about 5 years to make 'decent' cars.
I would really like to have alternatives, but they really should make a deal with Tesla on the network, and after that, lots of Tesla's patents are open ended so, everyone isn't halted from making a better car, they just haven't yet.
My concern with EV
How is recharge infrastructure in NSW? Will I be able to do a long weekend trip?
Cost of battery. I would like to keep the car for at least 10 years
With that said I will probably get one around 2025.
Charging infrastructure in NSW is actually really good, and in fact up and down the whole east coast is great. Check out Plugshare for a map showing all stations. NRMA have free fast chargers all over the state.
You're right on the batteries though, that is still a little bit of an unknown. Early data looks positive but we won't know for sure until EVs move more from 'bleeding edge' to 'early adopter' phase.
we do have a fair bit of data on 10yr old teslas and 20yr old Prius'ssss.
there are stories out there of Teslas owned by hotels and what not who have put 500,000 miles, a million miles on 2012 model teslas and its not the battery thats the problem, its everything else.
Supposedly, the batteries should last well in excess of 10 years.
Having owned a Model 3 for 6 months I could give you ten reasons to buy one. but I'll just go with one.
Never ever having to deal with the price gouging, oil slick polluting, wildlife killing, lying, conniving, cartels that are Fuel companies.
I haven't been to a petrol station in 6 months and I recharge my car off solar.
No Brainer.
you're ballancing that and 42c a litre you're not paying now vs. the sub $500 ev bill you're going to get for under 20,000km and the $60k base price to get into a tesla
also hows that feeling driving past a servo where the price is $1.95?
the sub $500 ev bill you're going to get for under 20,000km
Huh?
dont worry about it.
wont affect people who arent interested
exactly. Only reason it's 1.95 is because the fuel cartels are making up for the margin they lost due to the pandemic by reducing supply when demand increases.
Why on earth would you want to be a willing participant in their game ????
btw…i also have a 1 year old 120K mercedes..I pick the Tesla every time just due to the fun factor.
I take it you don't know much about where over 70% of the worlds Cobalt comes from, or how it is extracted?
Likewise do you know much about Nickel and Lithium processing?
Finally, do you know the current state of the worlds battery recycling (or lack thereof)?
I'm not trying to defend oil, but neither option is good for human's or for the environment. And both profit from lies.
I bought one in August, and to be able to use Autopilot every morning down the highway has been a life changer. Being able to read the news or watch premier league highlights on the way to work is something I’ll never get bored of.
The air con is not great though.
Wouldn't trust my life with that beta janky autopilot. Each to their own.
Is it legal?
Not in Australia.
Legal? No.
Smart? Definitely not.
Autopilot or not, you must pay attention to the road.
You should not be doing that when you are driving. It's dumb and illegal. And autopilot is not perfect.
good way to void your insurance
EV's will ruin the weekend
Ok scomo
you can tell what kind of pandering ass he is given he immediately went to the traditional aussie thing of owning a thai built japanese 4x4 diesel ute towing that caravan or tinnie w/ outboard as if he's done anything like that in his champagne drinking life…
How do you guys find getting a space at the shopping centers for EV charging? I walk by the one at my local which has 8 bays. Always full and a couple of people look like they are their for the long haul to charge the car till it is full. Plus there is always two buddies that want to stand around and talk about their EVs. I guess that is cool if you are really into them.
Nearly bought. No Android auto support turned me off and I walked away
You should only consider the opinion of people who have been in a tesla.
Up until last year I couldnt have cared any less.
Got to see one and drive one and was mightily impressed to the point where I knew that the future was going to be EV.
I cant see it not being suitable for the vast majority of daily drivers.
нет
Send me $111,249 and I'll let you know if the self-driving performance version is worth it in 6 months.
Also OP, OB is the wrong crowd to ask your question. There’s a significant, biased, skew of tightwad, cream of the crop, small minded, envious, entitled, peak petty rats, mooching off their parents 5 years longer than should have. Mildly educated, living in the spare room on their parents NBN.
The type to blame dirty foreigners for jacking up housing costs before and after covid, claiming eco warrior credits, while consuming lowest cost goods manufactured and polluting offshore & out of sight. The ones who have no problem getting rich selling every extracted natural resource available in the land
This demographic’s life cycle seems to be a few years too early to give meaningful advice on a $60-100k discretionary expenditure
Hahaha, while I'm not entirely sure how accurate that depiction is, it's still hillarious.
You've made some good points though. OzB is probably not the best place to ask for these kinds of advice.
I dunno. There seems to be a big gap in what people’s perception of ozbargaining is. Plenty come here asking about spending on 6 figure vehicles, while others recognise that a 10yo Camry will do 90% of the job of that $100k car at 5% of the cost.
Read a comment by car salesman that deals mostly with higher end luxury vehicles and he said that the thing he noticed is that most cars, no matter how fancy, becomes 'just a car' after your initial honeymoon phase.
So a 10yo Camry will indeed do 90% of what a 100k car would, if not more. Coincidently.. my Camry turns 10 next year!!
@HelpMeiCantSee: I presume you have assumed a Tesla will outlast 200,000km irrespective of age.