If you own a Tesla Model 3, tell us about your experience.
Any regrets? How's depreciation? Bought new/secondhand? Any issues?
Also.. just wondering for the general ozBargainer.. is a Tesla Model 3 something you'd ever consider, not over a Camry of course, but do you think it's worth it?
I'm going through my half yearly phase where I really want a new car and going down the rabbit hole, this time its for the Model 3. Just want to know what everyone's thought on it is.
EVs will drop to half in 10 years
@MikeKulls: Will they release budget EVs? Yes. Are the models on the market for $60, 100 and 200k going to become half the price? No. (Well yes, if you're talking about second hand ones).
Considering the other most popular post is about the RAV4 Hybrid, then I'd dare to say that the Model 3s are overpriced.
I mean hybrid cars, really?
Still a thing? Only cause Toyota can't make viable electric cars?
If Tesla made a Rav4 competitor that wasn't 170k then maybe the RAV4 hybrid wouldn't be so popular
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Don't bother pointing me to the coming soon© Model Y either, looking at it on the tesla website, if it didn't have "model Y" written about it, I would have thought it was just a model 3, it hardly looks different at all.
No body wants a sedan anymore, the market has spoken, SUVs are what people want to drive. The only reason the model 3 sells is because it's one of the few fully electric vehicles at the moment, and a small percentage of people want that, no matter what shape or form it comes in. For them to sell volumes though they are going to need a RAV4 competitor, as much as the EV zealots say "IcE iS dEd", the RAV4 for example, wipes the floor with model 3 sales and they can't actually sell enough to meet demand.
No body wants a sedan anymore, the market has spoken, SUVs are what people want to drive. The only reason the model 3 sells is because it's one of the few fully electric vehicles at the moment, and a small percentage of people want that, no matter what shape or form it comes in. For them to sell volumes though they are going to need a RAV4 competitor, as much as the EV zealots say "IcE iS dEd", the RAV4 for example, wipes the floor with model 3 sales and they can't actually sell enough to meet demand.
Not sure what data you're actually basing this on. The most popular car category is still the smallish hatch.
E.g., see: https://www.canstarblue.com.au/vehicles/top-selling-cars/
Aside from the Ranger / Hilux, the most popular cars are still the Corolla and i30, which is the same "class" as the Model 3.
@p1 ama: Ok yes the Corolla and i30 are up there, but the rest of the list are SUVs, so I'd say their combined numbers are much larger in sales than those two.
I also would say those two are up there purely because of their price, which is something the model 3 doesn't really compete on, they start at probably less than 30k, model 3 starts at a minimum of double that.
@p1 ama: I drive a hatch because it’s cheap, not because I like having my vision constantly obscured by jacked up Toorak tractors.
Patiently waiting for southeast auto sales to get one in stock so I can take it on a 10 year payment plan with balloon payment, and 20k extras package. Anything to get a picture with their loans specialists.
I'd suggest booking a test drive, that should either turn you off or make you click order now.
You probably won't get many rational answers here, mainly exaggerations from haters and fanbois alike.
In terms of depreciation they do seem to hold their value well based off carsales.com.au however asking price isn't necessarily what they sell for. Keep in mind that the used car market is crazy at the moment.
Panel gaps seem to be much better with the made in china models, but YMMV.
Carwow on YouTube has some ok reviews of the model 3 (and comparisons with other EVs)
sources:
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/model-3/?sort=%7ePric…
In terms of depreciation they do seem to hold their value well
I reckon that’s only going to keep happening for a short while. Fanboys that can’t afford a new one still want one so demand is high. People who want an EV are buying whatever they can get, but there isn’t much choice.
Once there are more models available and EVs become more mainstream they’ll settle down to regular used car depreciation rates
Right now model 3 depreciation is glacial, while Leaf falls like a stone. There is a healthy community of greenies that will drive any EV and can't get a hold of one, yet Leafs still depreciate steadily of not fast. The other reason Tesla's don't depreciate is that the batteries, which are generally the only main consumable, barely wear, so there's no reason to get rid of one
Early model leaf didn’t have good battery management. No active cooling so batteries don’t last particularly long.
Tesla is much like other fanboi models with depreciation. Similar to Suzuki Jimny, Toyota 86 etc. Until the original demand fades or there are enough of them around prices will remain higher.
@Euphemistic: No Leaf battery to this day has any active cooling, they just changed up the chemistry. They still suffer from being unable to do multiple fast charges on road trips because of this.
Tesla's on the other hand are 10% worn at the 8 year mark or so. At that rate you are looking at 800k km before needing a new battery potentially. Compare this with the taxi market, Falcons would routinely need transmissions (at times 2 by then) and sometimes motors by that number, also they drove like dogs. Get any second hand EV and after 1-200k km they as still feel tight
@Euphemistic: You are half right, you lose capacity a bit faster at the beginning but then it slows down and levels out and it is quite linear. Regardless, the batteries are expected to run far far further than most engines, transmissions and chassis that are around today. On top of that new battery chemistries that are cheaper, more robust and are made with more common materials are coming out (e.g LFP) and will continue to be developed even faster since batteries are now the fastest growth product.
So yes, you actually can extrapolate as much as you want for all intents and purposes of this conversation
https://insideevs.com/news/525820/tesla-battery-capacity-ret…
So yes, you actually can extrapolate as much as you want for all intents and purposes of this conversation
No you can’t. Yes, batteries should last long enough with enough suitable range remaining to ‘outlast the car’ but no, you can’t say from the article you quoted they’ll last 800,000km. It doesn’t mention anything much after 300,000km.
Besides, by the time you are getting past 300,000km in a vehicle many of the other parts are starting to get worn out. Suspension and interior will likely be pretty tatty by then. It’s not uncommon for ICE vehicles to keep going that long too, but by then there are more reasons that ‘it’s still running’ to upgrade.
@Euphemistic: That's just one example, either way, you agree that they should outlast the car and wear over time is minimal, 90% of people on this forum have cars that have done under 300k km so battery wear isn't an issue for Tesla drivers. Saving the stack of money on petrol and servicing is. Not to mention the cars perform well, handle better and are faster than most even in basic spec, and have decent options that other cars don't have. Putting it down to just fanboys is narrow and a gross oversimplification
@Jackson: Lots of Taxi's clock over 200,000 km a year in stop start traffic. Its no surprise they are clapped out in a few year's
Next time your in a taxi ask what the odometer is its honestly surprising.
I can remember being in a Airport transfer car in WA that was approaching 800,000kms the car looked immaculate and was only 4 years old
@Gumster: When I took cabs a lot they were mainly falcons, and because I am a boring person (or maybe because it was the most interesting thing that most cabbies could tell me) I would always ask about the car, from the odo, to what was done, if they liked it, fuel consumption etc. With 1 exception, every cabbie I have spoken to prefers the hybrid camry to the previous Ford or commodore. Mainly because it works out a bit cheaper to drive a hybrid than an LPG Ford, but moreso because on a tank of petrol they often don't need to refuel for their entire shift, so aren't wasting time off the road. To me the camrys also seems less creaky and floaty, but it could just be that they are all newer when I was in them
if you can wait till next year some chinese ev companies are coming to
Australia eg BYD they look good and more affordable than Tesla.
Probably a sensible choice if you must get an EV now so you can wait it out on a budget before next generation battery tech exists.
Test the MG! Pickup is reasonable, no climate control but hyper noisy 4 position fan, a radio like a $2 one from the reject store. Build quality is fine but under the hood it is a mess: No frunk, single cooling loop, cools charger that in turn warms inverter then warms motor etc.
The MG felt like a $25k car with more steps.
The interface is also as laggy as a tablet from 10 years ago.
Probably drives way better than it’s ICE equivalent though.
I’m eager to see how the 2022 MG ZSEV goes. Supposedly they’ve perked up power a bit and they improved the interface.
Being hyperactive, I managed to crash its software 3 times during my solo test drive! Rework needed!
Sounds extremely messy!
I'd wait until regulatory, policy and technology changes have been made before buying one, probably until at least 2025-2030. Australia isn't ready for connected and automated vehicles yet. NSW & QLD seems to be further ahead on the roadmap than VIC.
I dunno… Qld hasn't got any government incentives to by EV cars to date
Why do we need taxpayer subsides for the "rich" to buy a new car?
Do you genuinely believe these say 2k subsidies like nsw is doing, that cost the taxpayers millions, do anything to increase EV adoption?
Do you think anyone right now that's looking at a model 3 for say 65k is thinking… "Hmm damn! If only this was 63k I'd snap it up!". I highly doubt it. I'd say the subsides just go to people who were going to buy one anyway, basically just a nice little handout from one taxpayer to another.
No real value in it IMO. Just a bit of "green" feel good policy to get some good media coverage/votes for the next election.
no guy I was responding to "NSW & QLD seems to be further ahead on the roadmap than VIC" saying it's not further ahead
Tesla has the best tech. A Tesla will be on the top of the list if I ever need to travel more than 5 m to work.
You must work at a petrol station?
Nothing screams cheap with 3 rear cameras.
The big display does actually look quite nice.
The model 3 is anything but. The reverse camera is literally the best quality reverse camera I have ever seen.
Got a luxury Kia, Teslas reverse camera is 10 times clearer!
Yep, I have one. I've had three EVs actually - Hyundai Ioniq (28kwh), USA made 2019 Tesla Model 3 SR+ and the 2021 Chinese made Tesla Model 3 SR+. I've also had a long term loan (2 weeks) of a Nissan LEAF (2019 40kwh).
I wouldn't save I love the Model 3, but it's the best value EV on the road today and I love driving an electric car. Last week I drove it from Ballarat to Sydney and then back again and had no issues at all besides Autopilot freaking out in the heavy rain and spray from the roadtrains (had to take over myself, which is fine). It worked nicely on the long boring stretches of highway when there's no cars or trucks around - it's no good driving around in suburban streets though.
I wrote a blog post about my first year owning a Model 3 here: https://blog.decryption.net.au/t/tesla-model-3-sr-first-year-ownership-opinions/50/3 - The Chinese version fixes a lot of the quality issues and the price is much cheaper now, but the other "issues" still remain. I still reckon if you can afford one, you should get it. Most people don't regret it. I don't, even if I keep eyeing off an Ioniq 5 or Polestar 2 (which cost more than the Model 3!).
Thank you for information about EVs. The first time I have heard anything across a broad range of models. This leads to a question on my part about self driving - what I see as the main reason to buy, particularly Tesla. I note from your blog that you haven’t opted for the Autopilot option. Is there future value there? This is key for me. If the option of a pathway to a reasonable level of self drive isn’t there I am not yet keen to buy.
Do other makes offer this long term at all as far as you are aware of?
Want a decent Autopilot? Buy a Comma 3 from San Diego and stick it into a compatible car. Watch Eisenheim on youtube.
Autopilot is included in every Tesla as standard. This is basically Teslaspeak for traffic aware cruise control. It maintains speed, slows down and speeds up accordingly based on the maximum speed you’ve set it to.
Full Self Driving is the paid upgrade, which is in ‘beta’ now. Truth be told, it’ll probably be in beta for the next 10 years.
Watch a couple of YouTube videos on this topic in the last month or so.
It drives like a teenager on Ps.
I didn’t opt for FSD on my 2021 Model 3 SR+, and I’m glad I didn’t. Well, it’s always available as a paid upgrade in the app, so I can get it if FSD eventually proves capable.
Sorry it took me a while to respond! I forgot I posted here.
Autopilot is essentially just traffic aware/radar cruise control. A standard feature on most $30k-ish cars these days. Tesla adds lane-keep assist (again, standard on many cars these days) which is a a bit better than most LKA that "ping-pong" you between the lane lines instead of keeping you in the centre of the lane.
Self-driving (the $10,000 option) is a load of bullshit. Go watch videos of it on YouTube from people who paid the money to enable it on their Model 3 and were accepted into the beta test program in the USA. It's scary. It's absolutely not worth the $10,000 imho and I really doubt Tesla will ever achieve "full self driving" using the cameras currently installed on Model 3 cars. It can barely do radar cruise and lane keep on a highway - the easiest scenario.
Great blog post. Thanks.
Great writeup! Thanks for sharing
tbf that kind of report on Tesla that requires a full LCD reboot or a full car reboot (LOL) would piss me the hell off big time.
Especially if the thing cuts while at hwy speed.
I mean who can put up with that?
Saw an Ioniq5 in person two days ago - and I love the retro-yet-futuristic look to it. It is much bigger in real life than the videos you see. It is almost like a hunched-down SUV trying to have a gangster look to it.
I agree, the Ioniq5 looks really good in person.
So does the Kia EV6, I happened to see one "accelerating effectively" on Victoria Rd near Drummoyne and it looked much better moving than the still photos.
something about that back end don't really agree with me..'
edit: referring to the KIA
Thats the Kia corporate C pillar fuc up.
This is the problem with just about every EV… they look like science experiments.
Teslas ARE science experiments but they dont look like one.
@tonyjzx: I honestly wish that these established brands can just make their existing models into EV instead of trying to make it look all futuristic, which almost always end up looking real dorky.
@buckethat: This is one thing that Tesla does that I truly like.
Just about every EV looks like a Captain Propellorhead George Jetson thing where you're screaming to anyone that hears you that you have a spanky wanky EV.
Tesla actually makes a George Jetson spanky wanky EV but they make it super conservative IMO but distinctive so you know its a Tesla but it doesnt scream like youre driving a Prius.
Look at any Prius then look at a Model 3.
You're a goddamn dork in just about any EV outside of a Tesla. That's the truth.
Who the hell wants a Kona really?
Can't stand the "tacked on iPad" interior. At least Tesla are lowering prices as they go along, the opposite of everyone else.
Because theyve started high.
Have you seen the price of other electric cars?
Yes. Expensive but cheaper than Tesla. Hence slow take up.
Wait til BYD comes in next year.
Yes. Expensive but cheaper than Tesla. Hence slow take up.
Compared like for like?
Wait til BYD comes in next year.
Yeah, I'll stick with Tesla, or Hyundai, or VW.
The Model 3 directly competes with and is cheaper than every equivalent BMW 3 Series. Including $45k cheaper than the M3.
Their goals are to make money, then reduce the costs. Makes sense? They start with expensive models, then make money to create cheaper models.
yer awesome, buy a full price tesla then 1year later they cut 10k from the price.
Who cares? That's the same with anything, if you are happy with the price at the time, it doesn't matter. People can wait if they like.
well it impacts your resale value massively, so if your using that said resale value as a justification then its not valid
@MrThing: Have you looked at the price of second hand Tesla's? I also never said anything about resale value.
Personally I'm waiting for the Volkswagen ID.3 to hit Australia, but the way we're handling compulsory emissions targets (read: not) doesn't give me much hope.
My brother got one second hand with life time free charging. What an incredible toy. He and his wife look for excuses to go places. It is by far the best and funest ever car they got. Complete with Xmas themed looks and sounds (indicators jingle…)… not saying we want that, but saying it is a tech toy, nerds dream.
For a luxury car it was excellent value. Though some bits may be expensive to fix, but with no regular servicing cost, no fuel cost (for him), it's a bargain… if I wasn't a disability support pensioner I would do my best to get one too!
This guy runs Evee, a car sharing site for EVs. Good video explaining a breakdown of unexpected costs on a Model S. Worth a look if you're seriously in the market (eg. $thousands for replacing the touchscreen interface!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTNx1CpwCT4
Are you saying their display screens cost more than regular cars? My 2012 golf screen also costs thousands - quote for about 5k for a Navi version to replace when it shat itself…
I own one and it is a great car. Replaced a 6L Commodore SSV, is 2 seconds faster to 100km/h. So far has cost me NOTHING to run, (charged off my solar). Handles Like a dream and has more smarts than any car I have ever driven. Beware of test driving one, if you do you are very likely to buy one.
Did you get autopilot? Which model did you go with?
Autopilot is included with every Tesla, what you can pay for is the so called Full Self Driving.
Which many people opt not to get because it's 5k and you can get it later with a software update if you change your mind
I test drove the "performance" one a few weeks ago & I can't say I was impressed. The acceleration & handling was very impressive but the interior quality seemed very low.
Also I'm amazed that there was no heads up display, at that price point there should be, also no carplay/android auto so locked into their software.
Personally, not yet something I would buy although I would love an EV.
It all depends what you value. Every car I drove in my life up until a Tesla was hamstrung by zero updates to the on board systems, and in the rare case there was one they wanted 500-1k to update it for me and wanted me to bring it back to he dealer. Never buying another car outside a Tesla until these shenanigans are over with. Much more important to me than if the material on the door card wasn't to my liking.
Evern without Android auto/carplay, I would rather use the Tesla system. Everything is built in already, is snappy, and navigation is great. Not sure what else I am missing out on
@Yorkshire-Man
I think Carplay/Android would just interfere with the Tesla OS so they don't include it. They might add it with an update?
Updates happen about every month and the next one will include live monitoring of the cameras while the car is parked from your iPhone via the Tesla app. I think Carplay/Android kind of misses the point of the system.
I can't believe you're not impressed by the performance!? Some people are just naysayers regardless.
I do agree heads-up-display would be a good addition.
Hiya,
Oh no the performance was very impressive. I loved the fact its electric, that's what I want.
Downsides for me was no WAZE (which is awesome for Navigation), that's really why I want Carplay/Android and the lack of a HUD is a big oversight… its standard on cars of 1/3 of the price and super useful.
I love the fact it gets regular software updates but for me the cabin quality felt low at the price-point. Seemed a bit 'kia' (no offence to kia owners) but at that price point I expected much better. I currently drive an older BWM, IMO its a much better quality build, after 8 years it still looks like new.
I want an electric car, I loved the performance but IMO this car wasnt built like I would have expected for the price.
well that's not hard, a commodore ssv is like driving a potato and driving a tesla is like driving a space ship
I wouldn't have said potato, it's more like driving a barge
Thought about buying a model 3 as the daily shopping trolley since it is now 60k in NSW.
Decided not to, due to how little we drive and an EV has a much larger carbon foot print tha an ICE.
Volvo's study based on XC40 gives a good idea on carbon footprint on life cycle of a vehicle. Based on XC40, 200,000km seems to be the breakeven point from a sustainability point of view. Should read the report with a grain of salt as methodology can change this comparison, but it does give an idea how dirty it is to produce an EV. Moreover, aust powers are mostly from burning fossil fuel.
Personally find plugin hybrid/ev with battery range of 70km more suitable for people not clocking up high mileage. Smaller battery, less dirty to make, and 70km is plentiful for many people.
https://group.volvocars.com/news/sustainability/2020/~/media…
an EV has a much larger carbon foot print tha an ICE
Maybe manufacturing the vehicle does, but when you consider fuel usage an EV has a much smaller carbon footprint than an equivalent ICE. Article in the Australian recently stating EV is like 60-70% less than ICE
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/special-reports/ev-vs-combu…
Yes? I said the same too.
That was based on OUR circumstance and WE do not drive much.
Breakeven point is 200,000km on like for like vehicles.
I have also SAID plug in EV is better for many that lives in the city.
Find it difficult to have an opinion with EV fan boys/girls. At least not a civilised one.
Edit - now sure where you have been when comprehension was taught in school, or selective reading information that you would like to read. Article you have linked
'When the environmental life cycle of an electric vehicle is taken into account – including the greenhouse gases created during production, and potentially the burning of fossil fuels to produce the electricity that powers them – they are far from carbon neutral.'
It also mentioned Australia is different and we are still burning fossil fuel.
different reports I guess. I’m not sure how lifecycle of 60-70% les than an ICE means that an EV isn’t worth getting. Of course they aren’t carbon neutral, but it’ll be a lot easier to make them carbon neutral with 60-70% less emissions over the life.
Just because you choose to look at 200k km as a break even doesn’t mean the vehicle ceases to exist in use for other drivers for the rest of its life either. EVs are likely to have liver life than an ICE because there are less parts to go wrong. Yes, batteries are an issue, but they can, and do last a long time under good conditions.
Yes, Australian electricity is still using a lot of fossil fuel, doesn’t mean it’s not improving. East coast of Australia has just hit 1/3 renewable generation and it’s only going to improve.
Stop using ‘but It isn’t good now’ as an argument for not adopting something that’s better in the future.
@Euphemistic: Euphemistic is right and its further enforced on how people attack his 'schooling' when its abundantly clear he's more than acceptable there. Attack the person not the argument is a go to tactic of someone who is wrong.
He's 110% correct. EVs have a higher impact on the environment out of the factory but over the life of the car expected to be 250-300,000km then it goes the other way… even when using coal fired electricity.
Even a coal plant is more efficient than a petrol car burning which uses thousands of litres per year.
Further to that I would rather have that gas created at one point rather than millions of tailpipes.
This is the problem a lot of times, people want the perfect solution when none such will ever exist but hey 2030/35 is coming and the problem will solve itself.
@Euphemistic: Kb warrior doesn’t know batteries can be recycled.. High speed, high efficiency recycling will reach close to 100%
This closes the loop 🔁 and dries all eco tears
Keep in mind that tesla model 3 contains many recycled items. Recyclable batteries too. If you get green energy then it's really not a comparison
Based on XC40, 200,000km seems to be the breakeven point from a sustainability point of view.
It depends a lot on how energy is generated, in the worst case of 100% coal generation it may not be even reached, but usually, according to a few papers I have seen, the breaking point is usually much earlier, around 40-80k km.
Vovlo report uses a like for like. App 100,000km if using full renewable. Average across the world is 180-200,000km.
Like said, take the report with a grain of salt. It is highly dependant on input like all modes. However, it is good as an indicator on how dirty is it to manufacture batteries. I have been to mining towns in inner mongolia, not a place that is suitable for human living.
I am not against it. Also mentioned earlier that plug in EV is actually very suitable for people living in the city doing mostly short distant driving and ICE as backup for long distance.
Many ignore the fact that EVs are dirty unless it is able to spend 200,000km in its life to make it sustainable. AU being such a backward country is adopting to new tech only makes it worse.
Maybe you don’t realise how long cars last. 200,000km isn’t the full life of a car. They’ll last for much longer.
Combine that with most of the energy cost of an electric car manufactures batteries that are highly recyclable. Fossil fuel combustion means it’s gone and can’t be reused.
@Euphemistic: Look. I do. I have also had a car where the welding is falling from ageing and merely had 100,000km on it. Full EV has its purposes, but NOT the one stop solution. Being pro/con on the extreme of either end is a very juvenile/naive/narrow minded.
@[Deactivated]: Full EV in fact are excellent option as delivery vans and courier vehicles. Perhaps buses and so forth. As well whoever that does long commute for work or frequent inter city/state drive.
Not for an average fan boy/girl in the inner city that barely clocks up 20km/week to pick up latte with a dash of soya milk down the street. Such an illusion that EV is 'environmental friendly'. It is merely shifting pollution from developed countries to developing/third world countries.
@[Deactivated]: No. It’s not the only solution. But ICE and fossil fuels has had its day. It’s time to move away from it.
Do you have the links for research stating 200,000km? I have not seen publications citing so large numbers.
The Volvo report states the break-even distance from 47,000km when charged from renewables to 84k km for EU generation to 146k km for global generation mix (coal mostly).
A few recent publications I have seen:
https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/Global-…
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-d…
(citing between 20,000k and 67,000-151,000k depending on assumptions)
The results would depend a lot on the electricity source.
@DmytroP: tbf to that guy would you trust a volvo at 200,000km?
Maybe a Volvo 240 GL but this isnt 1975
there are two levels of "break even" to me
the one of environmental impact is over… the initial higher cost of an EV is offset by its long term savings of using no petrol… further if you think of it like this… does petrol suddenly magically appear at the servo? No someone has to get the oil, maybe destabilise the middle east and then refine it and ship it to you in a big tanker? does global war and supertankers cost nothing to run???
i do agree there's something to be said about rare earth elements and battery chemistry… that stuff costs but like the cost of oil?
2nd is the TCO. Now that obviously makes no sense if you think its like buying a 2015 Corolla for $15k and just running it for 20yrs… of course you wont spend $45k on petrol and servicing but Im not about that kind of ozbb lyfe.
@tonyjzx: Look at bleeding edge lithium recycling. Ev’s are a no brainer. ICE luddites think clean diesels are harvested after heavy rainfall during Spring
It should be noted that the Volvo has a big battery, is a heavy SUV, and is an ICE adapted to being an EV. Between those 3 things it's probably the worst example of an EV in regards to making a comparison like this.
General 40-60k is the break even points I have seen from various sources online. This is only going to improve with new battery tech and recycling processes
200k isn’t much in the scheme of things. I’d cover that in 5 years with me driving barely at all compared to what I used to (will increase as kids get older back up to 70-80k per year). My previous car was at 410km when it went away, and only because I bent it in half- insurance couldn’t get a new chassis so had to write it off) Mechanically was perfect. If 60k will get me 200k km of reasonable (400ishkm/charge) range, I’d be all in.
I’ve never sold a car that I didn’t lease (one time) before 300,000. I suspect I am an anomaly, but regardless cars themselves last well beyond 200. (Falcon sold at almost 400, hell even a chery lasted my brother 250k, and they are trashy as hell)
Plus the need for regular maintenance is significantly lowered, so the chance of being abused by poor maintenance is nearly zero.
Yes. Mileage is usually not an issue for well maintained cars. Some poeple can hit 200,000km easy. The car I have driven, and kinda fell apart was a Mitsubishi FTO that was tracked.
Having said that, alot of cars in Sydney (likely Melbourne too) are for supermarket and drop morning/afternoon drop off. Suspect most wont even hit 10,000km/year.
Due to highly variable factors "The study showed that over a 200,000km lifetime the EV was always better for the environment. In other words, the extra emissions involved in building the EV were more than offset by the reduction in emissions over years of driving." https://evcentral.com.au/why-you-should-be-sceptical-about-a… AU should be on the much higher end of the bellcurve regarding break-ing even. Like all research paper, should take it with a grain of salt. The studies highlight the general difference of carbon footprint between 1. manufacturing 2. usage.
My OP was to illustrate personal circumstance that EV does not make sense, and those driving similar mileage to myself that lives close to public transport are unlikely to benefit from a full EV. Hence, PHEV is good for short commute and petrol engine as backup for occasional roadtrips.
But you’re assuming the life of the car ends at your ownership- it doesn’t. An ev will be hard pressed not to make 200,000 in its life.
Yeah, I think those mansions in Toorak will be worth considering when they drop to $300k too.