Why Are Modern Toilets So Bad?

I’m about to Reno my home and looking for a new toilet. My current toilet is modern and water efficient and really puts the crap in thomas crapper.

It stains easily and doesn’t do it’s one job: flush the poop!

I thought it was just mine but visited a family friend recently and when I went to their bathroom I was met with a floater that fought against their flush.

Can anyone recommend a good toilet that actually functions as it should?

Thank you

Comments

  • +9

    Why Are Modern Toilets So Bad?

    I've got to say that I'm not old enough to have had the privilege of sitting on an ancient toilet to be able to compare!

    • +13

      My parents old toilet flushes like a dream.

      • -3

        The only thing I can think of is, are you pressing the "full flush" (not the half flush button) after doing a number two?

        • +7

          Yep. I think the shape of the curve is not as efficient as older model toilets.

          • +2

            @binti33: It may not be working correctly. Download the install instructions and check that the water level in the cisten is set properly.

          • +3
            • +1

              @humdingaling: Wasn’t my poop lol it was a family friends. It survived their flush.

          • +21

            @binti33:

            I think the shape of the curve is not as efficient as older model toilets.

            Bingo.

            A lot of modern toilets have chosen more "square" designs, purely for fashion. It's a vanity thing: "my toilet looks more expensive than yours".

            But of course, toilets are not a status symbol. They are for removing waste.

            Turns out the old-fashioned curvy bowl design every toilet used to have in the 90s and earlier was purposefully designed to remove as much mess as possible just by flushing. Put a square or two of toilet paper down before you go and they are almost totally self-cleaning.

            So these stupid fancy toilets are not only more expensive, they are less hygienic AND ten times as much work to clean.

            But hey, no need to worry about stuff like that! What if there's a chance of making your neighbour jealous of your bloody toilet!

          • +1

            @binti33: yep that's what I think. With the trap stuffed into the design so that it all sits flush with walls and tidy you end up with less favourable angles…

        • other option is to keep it held down, seems to get a little more water
          .

          • @Nugs: Yes, the override to dump the remaining contents of water stored in the cistern.

      • +1

        parents old toilet flushes like a dream.

        less water "efficient"?

    • +31

      Back in the day, while perusing the artisan markets of Ancient Rome and I happened to be overcome with the need to poop, I would abscond to the nearest public toilets which were made of fine Roman Cement of which I would poop into hay and tar. Neigh a stain to be seen. Afterwards, I would wipe delicately with a sponge on a stick, ironically of a dark colour so as not to concern myself with the amount of times it has been used

      • +10

        " The wrong end of the stick "
        … that's the origin of that idiom

    • Maybe it's not the toilet.

      Maybe our poos are getting more potent from bad diets/too many preservatives and/or we are eating more.

      • or could the water supply be an issue? low pressure?? i am not a plumber

        • Nah. The tank fills up from water pressure and then you flush. All water pressures will deliver same flushing experience but rate of tank refill might differ.

        • No. Mains water can’t be directly connected to waste for safety reasons.

    • Old trick

      Use cheap dishwashing liquid before popping, fix all your issue and toilet smell great

  • +54

    They introduced WELS where consumers buy “water efficient toilets” which just means - less water for the flush so you better chop your log up or it ain’t going down

    • +11

      i may be old but the word log still makes me laugh

    • +29

      Poop knife/wooden spoon

      • Is that another name for toilet brush?

        • +10

          If you know, then you know…

      • I redd about that poop knife somewhere.

  • I dont know, because they are full of shits was the first thing that came to mind

  • +26

    If your turds are continually posing floating issues, you might also have to look at your diet and not just the toilet.

    Or invest in a toilet fork "poop knife" or whatever the hell that meme is…

    • +4

      OP should stop eating wine corks and have nice big feed of sinkers.

    • +1

      Liek pegaxs said your poop seems to have high fat content, check with the doc to see if you have absorption issue, or just cut the fat and put some celery in there, will definitely s(t)ink.

      • Not my poop, the family friends. It survived their flush and I walked in on it.

        • +6

          Do people not look before/after they flush? or just me.

  • +3

    Do you live in a new-ish estate? if so I may have a answer to the 'easily stained' issues. Most new estates have both potable water pipes and grey water. The grey water is used for gardening and toilets as it's not drinkable. Because the water is not treated in the same way as drinkable water it leaves behind a grey-ish stain.

    • +2

      it leaves behind a grey-ish stain.

      I don't think he's talking about "grey stains". I think he's probably referring to skid mark stains. haha

      • +1

        Both :-)

  • +34

    The simple fact is the old style toilets gave you a full 12 litres of flush. Even the so-called "full flush" these days can be as low as 4.5 litres. Simple physics.

    • +2

      This.
      Plus some new houses have weird plumbing. So getting a new toilet/base won't do anything. You'll have to change the top/flusher. Or the messed up sewage piping (+$5k?). Or change your diet.

      The simplest solution is to take laxatives, and convert to runny diarrhoea. Or a poop knife.

    • +4

      Yep, I curse the day our old toilet stopped working and we had to get a new “water efficient toilet” that is so useless. What’s the point of water efficient if it takes 3-4 flushes to clear it completely?

      • You can tell the regulator it only takes one!

    • I mean I leave no skid marks before I flush, yet leave skidmarks every time when I poop at work

  • +8

    try living in the usa where the poop pipe is half the diameter… and given the fast food there, toilets get clogged aplenty

    i live on acreage, when i run out of water i have to snap a log off in the bush

    • +11

      Don’t get me started on American toilets. They start off half full of water so if they clog the water goes out of the bowl and onto the floor. Arghhh.

      • the only positive with the insanely full bowl in yank toilets is no need for a a few squares of toilet paper prior to beginning taking the kids to the pool - I.E. negating the splash back

    • +3

      Did a plumbers union in the USA veto working toilets? That sounds like some deep state shit like big oil and climate change or big pharma and a cancer cure.. ;)

    • American toilets are the best, never had one clog or even give me signs that it might.
      Never seen one with skid marks in it, never seen one not deal with everything in there in one flush.

      • -3

        Same.

        Australians could not be sold in america on consumer affairs grounds- they do not work.

  • +1

    Greta

  • +6

    Mr Hankey.

    • Hank hankedy Hank.
      Oooo.

    • Howdy ho!

  • +1

    Sounds like you need a poop knife

  • +15

    What are you still doing solid poops for? Sounds like you need to up your Zinger box intake.

  • It stains easily

    Try adjusting launch angle perhaps.

    What model is your toilet, OP?

  • -1

    I have shit in a hole in the ground for a thousand years. Last week i decided I'll make toilets.

    Are you surprised they don't work.

    • +1

      More surprised that your bowels still work after a thousand years

  • Well, you could just remove the toilet and squat and poo in the hole like half of Asia.

    • Downvoter is the sort of person who cleaning staff put up instructions for on how to use western style toilets in public areas.

  • Is that you Donnie?

  • -1

    Another first world problem

  • +3

    For what it's worth, squat toilets are way better than Western toilets in terms of optimal poop position and ease of cleaning, just mop everything into the hole.

    • +7

      Mop everything into the hole? How often does that happen? Hate to have to clean the mop! At least wth a sit on, it’s a lot harder to miss.

    • +4

      Oh, hell no if you are a westerner. You sit on the loo you can’t miss. Frankly I prefer that public toilets have a toilet brush so I “clean up” the bowl if needed. The situation gets, much, worse if you take Iron supplement tablets.

      My approach to squat loos is start by taking everything off from the waist down and hope they have hand rails and somewhere to hang my clothes.

      • taking off all clothes even if its a communal toilet room? i guess its not like you would likely see anyone you know / etc if you are travelling

        • Separate cubicals, not communal. A communal toilet is, indeed, a bridge too far.

    • Not that suitable for older people tho

    • So what happens if you have explosive diarrhoea?

      • A Jackson Pollock picture.

  • +1

    In my experience, the flush mechanism is not generally adjusted properly at time of installation.

    There are usually two adjustments, one for half and one for full flush. Unless the plumber knows what he is doing (and most don't read the enclosed instructions), you are likely to get too low a full flush and too much when half flushing.

    It's not hard to DIY, so if it bothers you, have a go.

  • +1

    Haha, I am just amazed people have this much time to comment on this post. A lot of the comments are very hilarious.

    • +12

      Caus they are replying while sitting on the toilet

  • I will never forget years ago when visiting a fancy bathware place when we were choosing stuff for our house this salesman was trying to explain to this posh lady how their porcelain was so good that the sh!t didn’t stick to it as much as the cheaper brands.

    • It's true. Cheaper makes tend to skimp on the glaze. I bought a Caroma toilet from Bunnings that took a couple of years before it became obvious that a decent sized area at the front had a poor glaze covering. It's now a grubby colour that won't clean to the white of the rest of the bowl.

      • +1

        That's no good, I thought Caroma want that cheap a brand.

        • That's what I thought too. Rather annoyed to find out it trades on that reputation but doesn't necessarily live up to it.

  • +12

    THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST YEAR!!!

    Had my en-suite upgraded last year and the brand new toilet is seriously rubbish. Even a full flush only dispenses a few teaspoons of water meaning that it constantly gets blocked. The ceramic acts like a turd magnet and even after a full flush holds on to poo stains. And to top it all off it splashes water on the user and the floor every flush. How could it be designed so poorly?

    It's so bad that I no longer use it for number two's and close the lid every time I flush number ones.

    For sit down jobs I use the 50 year old dual flush loo in the main bathroom and never have any of these issues.

    • +4

      I’ve been reading online and looks like the problem is a mix of 1) less water being used with modern toilets and 2) many toilets that are sold are not glazed all the way through (just companies being lazy) so those rough areas it’s really easy for poops and what else to get stuck.

    • How could it be designed so poorly

      Australian consumers are so obsessed with one-upping their neighbours they are buying ridiculous square-ish "fancy" toilets where the water doesn't flow fast over all surfaces when you flush.

      When they realise, they call the plumber, find out they charge $500 to replace a toilet, and decide they can just clean it ten times as often.

      • -1

        This whole neighbour argument is a bit ridiculous.

  • +2

    I watched a documentary that featured the inventors of the modern Australian water efficient toilet. The shape of the bowl needed to change to ensure less water was required. The initial efficient toilet used 11 litres with 6 litres now. It could be that the bowl shape could contribute to the problem you see.

    • That must be why koalas are such good water savers. their bowels are square.

      • You're thinking wombats

  • +3

    Currently renting and three year old building. We need to press three times to clear the shit. Stuff even get stick inside 🙄

  • +5

    My toilet is new and flushes fine in one flush.
    Get a Caroma. Mid to high end. End problem.

    • +2

      +1 to a decent Caroma.

      My newish house had dreadful American Standard branded toilets that were the builders standard inclusion (sourced from Reece I think). On top of constant issues with the flush mechanism not shutting off properly and leaking water, it left lots of skid marks and flushed poorly due to poor bowl geometry.

      I bit the bullet and replaced the most troublesome one with a Caroma and couldn't be happier. It just works, no leaks, no jamming mechanism, no skid marks and proper flushing. The rimless flush design makes it easier to clean too.

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