I know it's still not MSRP (downvote is coming lol) but probably the closest I've seen since the GPU shortage, not mentioned it comes with a 'free' 650w gold full modular PSU.
Confirmed not LHR version.
Also their KrakenPower Bifrost RTX 3070 Gaming Build is back again!
https://www.bpctech.com.au/kp-ps-biforstrtx3070-krakenpower-…
RIP pc6673
I got one evga 3080 from ple last Dec, then planned to grab another 3070 for another ITX build. But gpu price started going crazy during past half year.
genuinely at this stage it seems that we'll be either at 30XX Super or 40XX series before prices even approach reasonable levels again
Introducing the new RTX 6900 Ti …
it'll be mid/late 2022 before that happens I reckon. Last year I thought things will be sane in mid 2021. lol it's only gotten worse.. by alot.
3060 crept into 3070's price. 3070 crept into 3080s price (and then some).
All coincided with the launch of the "TiE" version. Coincidence? I think not.
there's actually some in-stock 3070ti at truly eye watering prices $1749 https://www.ple.com.au/Products/646967/Asus-GeForce-RTX-3070…
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/643673/eVGA-GeForce-RTX-3070… this was 949 in december… then 999… now 1229..
You forgot the 3080Ti pricing exceeding 3090’s.
Diamond hand
Buying 3
I think you should buy only what you NEED and not buy more to SCALP
Them are fighting words sir
As availability is increasing prices will be decreasing .
availability isent increasing
retired from miner?
Even those retired from miners are on FB marketplace for higher price. I'm afraid this is going to be similar situation to ps5. People are gonna hoard whichever card they can get their hands on.. and then there are too many in the fb market
China banning cryto is crashing the used market, the ones still buying to hoard and resell are blind until its too late.
To hell with hoarders, hope they get stuck with cards that they can't sell at a profit
Can't wait for crypto to crash then more cards for gamers again :)
I hope crypto crash will flood the used market with cheap cards
You don't want an ex-mining card . Running a card at it's thermal limits 24/7 does make a difference to their life span .
Any credible sources for this? I've heard that it doesn't have that much impact. Generally miners are pretty good at cooling their cards.
@reloxation: https://www.pcgamer.com/au/cryptocurrency-mining-has-started…
Manufacturer's slashing warranties on mining cards , where they can get away with it . These are cards specifically designed to mine .
Also a mate has a few cards in a crypto rig and when he was showing me the ram was almost 100c . Ram and GPU overclocked jamming as much free solar energy as he could stuff into it . I don't think it's that far from the norm .
@troyww: Ok, so manufacturers are changing the warranty but this isn't hard evidence of card degradation due to mining.
@troyww: Its certainly a lottery but unless he just got on the bandwagon and is trying to quickly recoup his costs then he is doing it wrong. High temperatures kill electronics as does temperature cycling. In my anecdotal experience you can run at half the power and temp for <10% loss in returns.
@reloxation: This is just anecdotal, but biggest risk is the fans, because they're running 24/7 and potentially at 60-70c temps they're running the fans harder than designed (which are designed to run at slow and fast speeds interchangeably).
That said, fan breaks, replace the fan for $20. Most models have replacement fans pretty cheap without replacing the whole heatsink.
Smart miner actually run them at lower voltage to save power and increase profit so I don't think this is true for all miners.
You don't want an ex-mining card . Running a card at it's thermal limits 24/7 does make a difference to their life span .
This is a myth propagated back in the old days by companies trying to sell premium heatsinks and is continued to be propagated today as a PCMR elitist tripe.
I used to work in HPC (high performance computing), we ran hundreds of GPUs sandwiched right next to each other at full tilt 24/7 with fans at 100%. They ran super hot (over 80 degrees), much hotter than what miners are running their cards at. We did not see any significant failure rates with our cards.
It's the change in temp that does the damage not the running at a constant temp within thermal limits.
I would happily buy from a miner knowing it's been well taken care of by being kept at a constant temp. It's a good sign of longevity.
Don't know why everyone's always competing with miners.
Bought a 3090 for $2800 a few months ago. Game on it for a few hours every day. Whenever it's not gaming, it's mining. Made $10 per day for most of those few months, sometimes more, sometimes less. Right now, it's down to around $7 per day. Electricity is around $2 per day.
So far my 3090 has made me over $1k. It's continuing to bring in money. Net result is that so far, I have a 3090 that I've effectively paid $1800 for, which I've happily used to play my favourite games for the past 4 months.
All of the people complaining about high prices 4 months ago and saying a crypto crash was around the corner when they could get cheap GPUs are still saying the same things, still haven't bought a GPU, still not gaming. Don't be a sucker and buy into the "anti-mining" frenzy - if other people are making money, instead of decrying them, join them.
Over 30% tax unless you abn
You also get to deduct the GPU if you use it for mining…
Where do you get this 30% figure from?
@p1 ama: That’s if you run it as a corporation / company. If you are a sole trader / individual it’s not this
It sounds like you are turning the crypto into cash, that means 30% tax or you get audited , you're supposed to wait a year
Where are people getting this 30% figure from?
@jenkemjunkie: Capital gains tax which is what’s individual without an abn would need to pay to cash out of crypto.
@ceroau: No it’s not necessarily this. Only if you are registered as a company. The tax you pay can be dependant on the tax bracket you end up in. You could run it as a sole trader / individual.
@jenkemjunkie: You ask and you shall receive. Now I couldn’t find anything about the 30% rate but certainly found that investing in Crypto must reported as capital gain on your tax.
I’ve noticed you’ve edited your comment my statement stands regarding individual without an ABN
https://www.ato.gov.au/general/gen/tax-treatment-of-crypto-c…
@ceroau: Not disputing the having to pay the tax thing. Just the amount of tax. An individual without an ABN would be taxed in the same tax brackets the same as a person with an ABN operating as a sole trader… they’d be taxed dependant on the tax brackets.
The 30% tax rate y’all are talking about is the corporate tax rate, which only applies to registered companies.
If you are an individual or sole trader it’s not that.
@ln28909: I’m sure you were.
If some 18 yo is mining on his card and makes $5k a year off it and that’s his only job. You know how much he pays?
$0 / 0%
@jenkemjunkie: if you check p1 ama post history, I'm sure you will know that they are not an 18 yos
if an investment is only good because you're poor, it's not a good investment
@ln28909: I run a 10ghs mining farm. I’m very aware of the tax implication of cryptocurrency mining.
Let’s just agree that you thought 30% tax was some blanket statement applying to crypto without taking into account the business structure.
@jenkemjunkie: read again, over 30% tax /= 30% tax, there's a reason i put the word over there
I know everyone is upset as crypto is dropping, but be chill so people don't think crypto guys are d***, i used to run an equivalent of 4gh/s myself
@ln28909: You said over 30% tax unless you have an abn. So what does the unless you have an abn thing mean?
And it’s still wrong because it depends on the individuals circumstances and their tax bracket they reside in
@jenkemjunkie: At the very least with an abn, you can consider mining as a business and write off equipment
Especially with COVID, if you haven't yet ROI, you could be eligible for a tax offset to your other businesses
Either way, it is a lot less tax than personal income
not financial advice
@ln28909: its not a lot less tax than personal income lol. It is literally in the same tax brackets as an individual if you are running as a sole trader WITH AN ABN. Even without an abn you can claim those things. You can still operate in ‘business like activities’ without an ABN
@jenkemjunkie: there is a limit to what you can claim, i'm not an accountant, but surely you can't fully write off a $3000 gpu if you have only made $1000 with it in personal income, with ABN you can
Australia tax law is made to favour very heavily to abn
@ln28909: Yes it is. But now we are delving into the whole business side and away from your premise that your paying over 30% tax on crypto gains not considering any circumstances.
For example, If someone made their income of $45k on crypto, they’d pay an equivalent tax rate of 19% when looking at the tax tables here
@jenkemjunkie: we are referring to someone with 1 gpu casually mining while not gaming, they also bought a 3090 which is $3000, if you spent 1/15th of your annual income before tax on a gpu then that's beyond me, but it's highly unlikely. Hence, falls into the next tax bracket at the very least which is 32.5%
@ln28909: A person with 1 GPU casually mining would not have to declare any tax on it. It would be considered a hobby.
@jenkemjunkie: Lol, have fun arguing with the ato, then nek minut, they just do a full audit on you out of spite
@jenkemjunkie: Seriously, this is stupid. How much tax is paid is dependent on personal circumstances and a whole bunch of other things. Why are we arguing about it?
@p1 ama: What’s stupid is you claimed some 30% tax rate on capital gains…which turns out you were actually talking about the corporate tax rate, which would only apply to incorporated companies and would only make sense if you run a million dollar mining operation..I’ve just shown it isn’t 30%.
@jenkemjunkie: What are you talking about, I never said 30%. Someone else said 30% and I just responded to say that person was likely talking about the corporate tax rate. FWIW, you don't need to be running a million dollar mining operation to be incorporated with an ACN. I know from personal experience, having incorporated companies in the past.
Anyway - whatever, if it's that important to you to get a W on some random discussion on an internet forum then power to you. Enjoy your W.
if other people are making money, instead of decrying them, join them
I don’t like when people invested in crypto endorse it like they’re stuck in a pyramid scheme. And I definitely don’t want to invest just to find myself doing the exact same goddamned thing lol
I don’t like when people invested in crypto endorse it like they’re stuck in a pyramid scheme. And I definitely don’t want to invest just to find myself doing the exact same goddamned thing lol
I'm neither endorsing nor "not endorsing" crypto - regardless of what you personally think about crypto (and what I personally think too, for that matter), it is a >$1T market, much larger than the entire stock exchanges of many countries (very close to the total value of the ASX actually).
I never understand why people get so personal about this - it's not like what some random (you or I) say on some internet forum is going to materially affect what happens in a >$1T market. Don't be a chump, it's not like I'm going to get richer if you decide to go out and buy crypto.
Just trying to help gamers blinded by their own arrogance - even after taxes and even if I stop mining tomorrow, I still have a cheap 3090 that I've been using and enjoying for the past 4 months. If you care more about moral posturing about mining than you do about actually having and using a GPU, then go right ahead.
it's not like what some random (you or I) say on some internet forum is going to materially affect what happens in a >$1T market
And yet I see this shit every day. Shamelessly hyping crypto, defending environmental costs, attacking others. And not in the normal fanboy way like doofuses in console wars talk about stuff, but actually posting diagrams and links and all sorts of misinformation that support their arguments
And yet I see this shit every day.
There's a difference between presenting (possibly flawed) analysis, discussing said analysis…etc. and trying to sell you something.
I personally see just as much people over-hyping crypto as people talking down crypto. What's the difference between someone hyping crypto and saying they believe it will go up vs. you saying you believe there's an impending crash?
defending environmental costs
I'm not going to comment on this one, I think if you're going to bark up the environmental tree, there are far, far, far worse offenders than crypto mining. There are also plenty of ways to address the environmental costs including moving from PoW to PoS, reforms to the way the fee structures are set (e.g. burning off gas fees)…etc.
attacking others
Again, attacking others isn't something that's unique to crypto. People attack each other over much dumber things.
And not in the normal fanboy way like doofuses in console wars talk about stuff, but actually posting diagrams and links and all sorts of things that support their arguments
Good on them, if they are doing research and can produce sources from which they are forming an opinion then power to them.
I still don't get your point - I just find what you're saying pretty hypocritical. It's not like you have a terribly informed view on any of this yourself. (FWIW, I actually think the overhyping and speculation around crypto is actually quite bad too, but I'm not out here trying to call others out and make myself look like some sort of hero).
@p1 ama: I’ve been against crypto since the early days. It sounded cool at first but then lost me with the whole “far from negligible environmental impact without any tangible product or benefit to the world except to those who are invested” aspect. And I don’t think the world should adopt anything at this stage that is basically designed to be power inefficient
Anyway, I’m happy to discuss this topic with people who aren’t invested in crypto (because you’re biased) 🙂
“far from negligible environmental impact without any tangible product or benefit to the world except to those who are invested”
I’ve been against crypto since the early days.
And you're calling me biased…funny.
It sounded cool at first but then lost me with the whole “far from negligible environmental impact without any tangible product or benefit to the world except to those who are invested” aspect. And I don’t think the world should adopt anything at this stage that is basically designed to be power inefficient
Except this has nothing to do with the idea of cryptocurrency itself, it has to do with how we choose to trust someone. There is a trade-off between trusting someone because they have a lot to lose (i.e. proof of stake) and trusting someone because they've performed a costly calculation to keep them honest (i.e. proof of work). The trade-off is ultimately between a concentration of "transaction services" (if you will) and a democratisation of "transaction services".
Ultimately BTC is not a very good cryptocurrency - it's more of a proof of concept than anything. It has pretty poor monetary policy, and much of the way it was set up was to be a playground for nerds than what we see it to be today. ETH is a better cryptocurrency, it definitely has much more robust monetary policy, especially if the proposed changes to gas fees comes through. The issue is that ETH focused very much on a democratisation of the processing, which leaves transaction fees very high and actually extremely unpredictable (it's practically an auction system).
Basically, I just don't think you know what you are talking about. You're just parroting talking points you've seen somewhere as evidenced by the lack of any depth in what you're saying.
Anyway, I’m happy to discuss this topic with people who aren’t invested in crypto (because you’re biased) 🙂
Haha, you mean people who already agree with you?
FWIW, I'm disappointed you think my integrity can be bought with crypto. As I said before, I couldn't care less what you thought about crypto, it's not like if you went out and bought 0.02 BTC that it would somehow make me richer, so I don't understand why you would insinuate that I have any ulterior motive aside from having a good discussion.
whatabout your tax?
Its starting, China cryto ban has begun.
do these have the low hash rate? im not interested in mining at all just curious as to whether all cards have it now
These don't.
Probably has the anti mining driver
Not a deal. I purchased the non ultra for $1199 this past weekend through PLE. The ultra is $1249 without needing to bundle.
Dang. You should have posted the bargain on here for others like me to know
thats insane pricing! just curious how did you get to know the price? Did you use a script or just happen to saw it there? or we have to call them up to check stock?
PLE have hands down the best prices and stock tracking in Australia, see here: https://www.ple.com.au/RTX30-Buying-Information
I saw they had a July ETA available but couldn't purchase as they have back order caps, messaged them and they allowed sales on the card again. They few units they had were sold out in minutes.
Sadly they were gone before I could even post a deal about them.
Looking forward to July 12th
Bought the 3070 ultra in April for 999, and have recently got an eta for next week. It was available to preorder at that price for weeks. Not sure why more don't go through ple
I pre-ordered a 6800xt from them, 1 month later got an ETA via SMS, then nothing happened after two weeks. So I had to cancel the order.
I bought a $799 3060 Ti FTW Ultra in mid-March, the date for people receiving ETAs has moved forward 1 day (27/02 to 28/02) in the last month. Not confident I will get a card before October.
I have a bit more faith but we'll see. My status has changed to being processed and "We have all the stock for your order at our warehouse and it will be processed soon"
Yeah but have you received it? I placed an preorder with them late April, $999 3070 Ultra, it didn’t say any eta until last week, now ETA 2/7
Ple have posted it today
PLE has been allowing ppl to preorder without eta since long time ago, doesn’t mean you can get it soon.
PLE have posted it today
Not everyone wants to wait 2 months
I also ordered from them late April, ETA 1/7, pls let us know if you get an LHR model.
Prices are already heading down as of early may-ish, at least thats what the news sites are saying. Down by like 10-20% from peak prices I think?
Media will say crap. Nothing has changed. 3070 moved down so they can fit in the 3070ti between the 3080 and 3070. 3080 hasn't changed, which is the one everyone is waiting for
3080 is coming back in stock at around $2200, which has been lowest like $2700 last months
3090 drops down to $3200 regularly from $3800
3070 well you know
3060ti is actually available to purchase
Etc.
Current prices are still absolute insanity though.
I was looking the other day at 3080Ti to replace my 1080Ti FE, the rate at which current GPU prices are going I'll be running Pascal until the 5080Ti comes out. lol
@Revrnd: Man I got a 3080ti the other day and while it's a great card (that I paid way to much for) the damn thing is so loud when maxing it out in rdr2 4k. This is the strix too which has possibly the best cooler of all of them. It also hits 73c temps, so it's hotter and louder than my 2080ti gaming x trio. Luckily it's getting its water block put on next week, so it will be fine for me, but if I had intended to keep it air cooled I'd be seriously pissed off.
On the plus side it's easily 50% faster than the 2080ti and double the performance of the 1080ti, but f@%& it would wanna be….
@Nomad2233: I was really wanting a watercool heatkiller to match the CPU block but they don't make one for the strix and I couldn't get my hands on an evga ftw3.
I ended up getting ek but without the active backplate. Reviews seem to say it performs ok, but installation is a bit of a pain in the ass. I went for the acetal version because I have heard EK acrylic blocks have a tendency to crack over time. This will be the first time I've put a waterblock on a gpu, so I'm going to be shitting myself.
Mostly the articles are analysing sale prices on eBay, so with the amount of data they have the conclusions aren't just speculation. It does seem like cards are in stock more often at the moment too than they have been
Bought 3, sell the PSU and use 3070 for mining, not bad at all
I wouldn't call this a deal as 3070ti had already reached 1599 now, so the bundle minus a $100 PSU would make it about $200 difference between 3070ti and 3070 which i reckon is normal. and i agree that we shouldn't be chasing the fall, give it a couple of months and we will see. In China the 3070ti had fallen to around $1200 AUD now.
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/646691/XFX-Radeon-RX-6700-XT…
PLE has a whole range of 6700XTs for under this price, the one I linked is $1050.
It doesn't come with a PSU but I'd call it a lot better value.
Agreed, FSR is WAY better than DLSS anyway.
waiting for lower than $999