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Jail (gaol) time for abusing a glitch to get thousands worth of KFC over 6 months…
Thoughts?
Students in China Jailed over Exploiting KFC App Glitch
spackbace on 14/05/2021 - 01:18
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if they just kept it to themselves and enjoy the food just for themselves, they prob would be fine.
but sell them to others to make a profit is a no go.
Yes it’s the selling to others for a profit that escalates the behaviour from cheeky misdemeanour to something far more serious that is intentional, knowingly wrong and fraudulent.
Jail (gaol) time
Nothing says "look at moi I'm so Uhstrayin" like insisting on using the obsolete Norman spelling of a French word.
Or trying to avoid people feeling the need to have a whinge about the use case of the word?
Guess that didn't work well, huh?
I'm quite sure GrueHunter is just having a fun quip
Gudonya moyt
Not sure why people so gullible, Chinese law is that the CCP says it is and there is no impartialness.
Whether or not it’s fraud is not relevant
Why would you debate the merits of law with a communist dictatorship?
If he’s going to jail, he’s going to jail, unless he’s got connections or he’s got cash to buy his way out.
Seriously the China love has got to stop, it’s so bad I feel people would be willing to sell their mothers to the Chinese
Another victim of western propaganda. Please don't underestimate Chinese people's intelligence. How can a party rule $1.4 billion people without clear rules and orders?
Even hitler was intelligent and natzi party had rules. i admit.
That's very dumb and ignorant comparison. Nazi rules ignited WW2 and that's a serious backwards direction for a country & mankind.
China has developed so much from foundation in 1949, after suffed hundred of years war and colonial rulers and this growth still continues. These are facts and won't disappear or change just because you don't believe or your brain can't handle.
50c has been deposited into your account, thankyou comrade.
i'm still waiting for mine - that's a fraud issue isn't it? claiming to have paid someone when you haven't?
bit like claiming jobkeeper by making up imaginary losses and then getting millions of taxpayer monies but not paying it back when you in fact made huge profits?
ohh i forget the coalition federal government thinks that's not fraudulent behaviour , fraudulent behaviour is like when poor people on centrelink payments get illegally averaged on monies received. and their benefits stopped, and debt collectors sent in.
now where's my 50 cent payments because you promised so many….
@petry: A tangent once again. You need to look up the rules around jobkeeper. While I don't agree with a lot who claimed it, they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up.
You only get 50c for pro CCP statements by the way.
@brendanm: no tangent mate you keep writing you paid people 50 cents but you never have, and never will.
glad you come clean with your support for the billions paid to harvey norman and the rest because they deliberately abused the scheme to make money from a pandemic.
i mean using a pandemic to bung millions to your mates is low for even the coalition, but hey thats Australia for you these days
Robbing the poor to pay the rich is just so australian these days hey mate?
no tangent mate you keep writing you paid people 50 cents but you never have, and never will.
I'm not the one paying, the CCP pays the 50c for pro CCP posts.
glad you come clean with your support for the billions paid to harvey norman and the rest because they deliberately abused the scheme to make money from a pandemic.
Did you not read what I said? I specifically stated that I don't agree with it. However, they claimed it within the rules that were set out.
i mean using a pandemic to bung millions to your mates is low for even the coalition, but hey thats Australia for you these days
I challenge you to find just one (1) post I've made where I show support for the libs (or labor). Politicians are scumbags.
You won't find one, as I disapprove of all of them.
@brendanm: mate it was designed to rob the poorest and weakest australians, and effectively to kill many.
you state that the design was legitimate and then do absolutely nothing about it cept attack other countries who wouldn't let this shit happen.
the only tangent is in your thinking. the real enemy is among us, and killing us and our kids whose future is being destroyed.
pollies are scum but the Libs since johny lets rob east timor are worse than scum. using a pandemic to rob billions of dollars from the country is sick mate. really sick.
you just carry on buying from these sick profiteers and pretend it don't matter.
you state that the design was legitimate
No, I didn't actually. Stop reading what you want to see, and read what is actually written.
killing us and our kids
I'm quite alive, so are my kids. How are we being killed exactly?
@brendanm: you wrote 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'
that is 'what was written' not what you wanna pretend otherwise.
you can play word games as much as you like - just like the coalition pollies you defend.
while they wave their arms in the air about the yellow menace to distract and divert, they've emptied the countries wallet and given it to their profiteering funders.
'Price gouging is not illegal per se under Australian law. However, incidental conduct may be caught by Australian Consumer Law (ACL) provisions, such as misleading or deceptive conduct, false representations or unconscionable conduct.
clearly you also support price gouging since massively overstating your projected pandemic losses to make billions isn't deceptive conduct in your eye's since 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'.
why don't you make signs? - 'support your local pandemic profiteer'
ripping off the poorest australians is clearly ok for you, you wanna abuse anyone who gets in the way of your yellow peril illusion at australia's expense.
you wrote 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'
Yep, it is legal. Doesn't mean I think it should be. Stop getting your panties in a twist.
clearly you also support price gouging since massively overstating your projected pandemic losses to make billions isn't deceptive conduct in your eye's since 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'.
They could claim it, as they met the criteria. I don't remember what it was exactly, but it was a certain % drop in revenue for the last calender month or similar.
ripping off the poorest australians is clearly ok for you,
Who is getting ripped off exactly?
How are out kids getting killed by the government? You never answered.
your yellow peril illusion
No one has a problem with Asian people, they have a problem with a corrupt communist government.
@brendanm: @brendanm: you wrote 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'
that is 'what was written' not what you wanna pretend otherwise.
you can play word games as much as you like - just like the coalition pollies you defend.
while they wave their arms in the air about the yellow menace to distract and divert, they've emptied the countries wallet and given it to their profiteering funders.
'Price gouging is not illegal per se under Australian law. However, incidental conduct may be caught by Australian Consumer Law (ACL) provisions, such as misleading or deceptive conduct, false representations or unconscionable conduct.
clearly you also support price gouging since massively overstating your projected pandemic losses to make billions isn't deceptive conduct in your eye's since 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'.
why don't you make signs? - 'support your local pandemic profiteer'
don't read anything but fox? try robodeath, NDIS, no money for firefighters, pathetic and your coalition cronies.
ripping off the poorest australians is clearly ok for you, you wanna abuse anyone who gets in the way of your yellow peril illusion at australia's expense.
you wrote 'they were able to claim it legitimately due to how it was set up'
And this is exactly what happened, they claimed it within the rules I never stated I agreed with the rules.
You seem to have a very hard time with reading comprehension.
try robodeath, NDIS, no money for firefighters, pathetic and your coalition cronies.
How did any of those things kill anyone? I think you are rapidly losing touch with reality.
@brendanm: keep up the abuse because lets face it ,you ain't got anything worthwhile to say.
'apologist -
a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.'@petry: If you class that as abuse, I can see where your massive exaggeration regarding childen being murdered by the Australian government comes from.
@petry: Perry you need to stop attacking people. You have been brainwashed by fox media and Trump. You have blood on your hands. NDIS is a fraud. Also please pay brendanm his 50c thanks. PS. 5G is Covid and Christians are evil.
@[Deactivated]: your abuse is routine - the time you spend abusing people could be better spent packing.
You have the prejudice and pre-assumptions that CCP is evil. This only shows you have no impatiality in this discussion and wound't accept any ideas that you don't agree.
China / CCP has not bomed any other countries, has not sanctioned any other countries and has not threatened any other countries if they don't buy our national debts.
As a government their main focus has been improving their national strength and residents wealth and wellings. No party is perfect so they have done (many) wrong things. But if you only blames CCP and not governments in other countries, that's serious racism against Chinese people.
That's exactly what the CCP would say.
You have no way to contribute to an intelligent discussion rather than downplaying others’ comments on a superficial level
@unfinishedsentenc: Lol. The irony of your comment.
The only difference between yours and mine is, you came off all smarmy and holier than thou. Nice try.
@pufffdragon: It's true though. You had no good way of rebutting their point so you resorted to a cheap comeback. It's true.
Yeah they're pretty odd comments I must say
Considering we recently (last year) had our Australian journalists detained for a short time, interrogated, and then had to leave the country…
And then the weird import tariffs on Aussie wine?
Yes they're relatively trivial but just off the top of my head - I'm sure there's much more.
And yes pointing out issues with their govt doesn't mean ours should get off scot-free, but that's not part of the topic right now
Oh - and South China Sea shenanigans…
@Loopenip: so its ok raiding journalist's here and seizing their gear because they were investigating war crimes?
just how many un treaties do you think the current coalition government has broken in relation to refugees and children?
aussie lives are so cheap these days that children die waiting to be seen in emergency departments, and young kids throw themselves under bus's.
made up fox shit apparently is more important…
Then im definitely going to jail cuz i signed up with 10 different accounts to get a free trial on amazon prime, netflix،xbox game pass, and etc..
Whos coming with me..I think your on your own here. I think you mis-posted this comment here, this is ozbargain, not ozscam or ozfraud.
Did you also sell $11k worth of those signups? If not, it isn't the same.
This case is true and has gone viral on Chinese social medias. This has trigged hot debates in China among law practioners too.
Key reason for a "fraud" conviction is - this student has deliberately used program bugs to make profit by sharing with others and selling KFC vouchers at much lower price.
However this conviction is still not final and this student can appeal. Law practioners widely believes this is a criminal offence but 2years+ sentence is an overkill. Very likely to be reduced or put on probation instead in his appeal.
The Chinese legal interpretation of fraud is probably not the biggest issue right now.
I wonder how many fraudsters are on ozbargain considering how they vehemently they defend these criminals.
The key is that OZB is full of ‘certain’ people who agree with criminal behaviour and will defend fellow exploiters and fraudsters to the end.
They are just your garden variety pond scum, nothing more.
CCP. ‘nuff said.
Which still better than Australian government for passing the law to fine $60,000 and jailing Australian citizens for 5 years for entering Australia from India?
CCP is better than the Australian government? wow…. If you love China and their government so much, you should go back there. No one is forcing you to live here.
I am not from China 😂. You should go back to learn more about not making assumptions on people.
Kfc australia should sell the ad " I dont care" ad to KFC China"
Imagine ignore all news and just continue to eat kfc with I dont care slogan lol.
They're essentially hacking the system for profit.
Frauders can and do get jailed. Although it doesn't happen even nearly enough.In this case I think a fine on top of all the discounts + money made is more than adequate, considering jail time in this case would be at the tax-payers' expense and also have societal effects.
In more serious fraud cases yeah I agree jail time for big time fraudsters seems to be lacking… GFC anyone?
Thoughts?
Pretty simple to me. KFC is a big company, with lots of resources. Students are some nobodies, with no resources.
In Big v Small, small gets crushed. No right or wrong about it, it just is.
What's funny to me is that two posters above said 'KFC should do something, and get them off the hook to avoid bad publicity'. As if KFC wasn't the one demanding they get as much jail time as possible in the first place. Ha.
Big companies deserves/ needs to get defarud/robbed?
It's almost like Bill Gates deserves to fall for a Nigerian Prince scam.No, Bill Gates screws the Nigerian Prince scammers.
the jail time is probably to send a message to others, dont do it. these kids are the lesson.
How do we do it here in Australia?
ummmmm, asking for a friend.I think this is where the big line was crossed
"With this trick, he could order endless amounts of KFC, and soon the young bloke turned the hustle into a "side business", selling food to others for low prices and making a profit."
Doing it for yourself is fine, but they made a business out of it.
Finger licking good is not the kind of thing you want to be known for in prison.
nicely done propaganda post criticising another country's penalisation of fraud.
Here in Australia we allow billionaires to commit fraud in its true sense, so I'm thinking the views expressed are in total support of the vast theft of taxpayers monies here promoted by both State and Federal government.
Always good to see support here for robbing the poorest australians, and killing them to advantage the rich at home and abroad, but in China even billionaires get cut down for the sort of shit that goes on here.
propaganda post criticising another country's penalisation of fraud.
Please explain how you derived that from my post…
I'll wait
pretty obvious really - i mean selling vouchers obtained by deception over a number of years is illegal in many countries.
plenty of serious issues at home here warrant genuine discussion like removing the right of registered charities to free speech and the use of newspapers to denigrate witnesses in serious court cases here.
theres also the bizarre inability of NSW police to investigate sex crimes involving coalition politicians in a timely manner which seems well worth discussion as opposed to micky mouse chancers in a foreign country selling product vouchers obtained by deception.
apparently serious australian issues hold no interest for you… you asked for thoughts …. you got what you asked for ….my thoughts …
criticising another country's penalisation of fraud.
I'll repeat… How'd you get my opinion on the matter based on my OP?
Coz I didn't express it…
plenty of serious issues at home here warrant genuine discussion
So, start a post?
@spackbace: 'Thoughts?'
So when you wrote this in your header you didn't mean it then?
to be clear - my thoughts were as I wrote in response to your invitation
'nicely done propaganda post criticising another country's penalisation of fraud.
Here in Australia we allow billionaires to commit fraud in its true sense, so I'm thinking the views expressed are in total support of the vast theft of taxpayers monies here promoted by both State and Federal government.
Always good to see support here for robbing the poorest australians, and killing them to advantage the rich at home and abroad, but in China even billionaires get cut down for the sort of shit that goes on here.'
@petry: Were you expecting Space back to address every single issue in Australia in this post? And because he didn't, you assumed his opinion, class the post as propaganda and concluded that he's not interested in any matters about Australia?
Wow, amazing 😂
Is this hate or love?@Ughhh: Space asked for 'thoughts' gave mine. seems pretty reasonable to me.
you just personally attack everyone who gets in the way of your hate agenda.
stalking me rather proves that…
@petry: What's my hate agenda? I haven't accused you or anyone of supporting genocide and torture.
I've asked if you were OK but you keep attacking me and saying I watch Fox when I don't. You're hurting me 😢😢😢
What's your thoughts on cactus?
@Ughhh: mate you moved your latest attacks on me in this thread because everyone could see your other toxic comments to other posters.
you obviously enjoy stalking and abusing people and apparently that's all you've got.
@Ughhh: Earlier you tossed out this pleasantry
'@jowu15:
Tiktok, wechat and many other Chinese apps?Yes. Tiktok is a great source of basic information. Why even go to school.'
clearly you abuse everyone who disagrees with you.
you obviously enjoy stalking and abusing people and apparently that's all you've got.
@petry: LOL. How is that abuse? Is that the best you can find?
Everyones thoughts = abuse. You're thoughts = facts ?
Is Tiktok where you got your education? Makes sense I guess, you're right!!
You're funny.
I know of a Chinese teenage student who went to prison/labour camp for accidentally killing a public peacock, shoving it in their bag to impress a girl - equivalent of killing a bin chicken here.
A young salaried worker at the same school joyrode and crashed school property and only had to pay/had their family an amount in excess of the vehicles worth.The CCP is very hard on the student class - because of history, they are unlikely to get away with anything. Salaried workers who are already participating in society have a lot more leniency to grease palms and pay financial restitution.
fascinating view bin chickens are the equivalents of large peacocks.
besides 'The peacock represents immortality, resurrection, and the spiritual teachings of Jesus Christ and the Christian church.' and 'Commonly referred to symbolize integrity, doing what you say, truth, honor, beauty, and strength this bird is a part of the pheasant family '.
what do australian bin chickens represent besides environmental destruction and human garbage?
The Ibis have been linked with the afterlife since ancient Egypt - long before Jesus was reincarnated as a peacock or whatever your belief. They’re just common birds on public land in parts of China and will eat from bins and rubbish piles.
not my beliefs mate - commonly held ones - the indigenous had/ have some beliefs around the white Ibis but clearly peacocks are in a different league to bin chickens, both here and in China.
taking into account cultural differences that makes going to a labor camp seem not that unreasonable … just how do you accidentally kill a peacock anyway, and accidentally take it away with you to impress some girl?
accidentally strangle it? accidentally hit it with a brick? must have been a bloody big bag they were coincidentally carrying
"Accidentally", "Shoving it in her bag".
Doesn't seem very accidental, seems more like stupidity.
Well yes stupid. The death part was the accident, I assume the intention was to gift the girl a living peacock.
China got "liberated" with KFC! They got there way before Macca's. Australia had the banks to serv us BS till we got a Royal Commission. Now the BS is slowly comming back! Look at the health benefits of fast food! Are the Chinese looking healthier since they got KFC ?
the royal commission findings were largely overturned by the coalition - as a result things are now even worse…
not unless you speak out here
Bit harsh to throw him in jail but he knew what he was doing is wrong
If we had harsher laws on fraud in Australia maybe we would have less dodgy f**ks on gumtree
If it was just telling his friends and using it himself, prison is waaay over the top. This part tho:
With this trick, he could order endless amounts of KFC, and soon the young bloke turned the hustle into a "side business", selling food to others for low prices and making a profit.
Not even getting into the fraud part, any one reselling restaurant food would be an absolute NIGHTMARE for the restaurant. Imagine if someone got sick off the food, onus is on who? I would imagine Uber/DDash etc etc have some pretty hefty TnCs to cover that shit but a random person? Ooof
Anyone else remember those ads in the cinema against pirating movies: "You wouldn't steal a car…. why illegally download movies"
Pretty sure some serious fines & jail time have been given to those who distributed pirated movies in western countries.
Just because a crime is done a lot, or easy to do by others, doesn't mean it should have less-severe punishments.
In fact, given the recent oil pipeline closure in the US -> you can't argue it was the oil pipeline companies fault for having 'bugs' in their software (aka security flaws) and let the ransomware people go away scott-free.
I can see the CCP severely punishing people who try and exploit bugs or flaws in software systems - ransomware happens in China too.
STUDENTS JAILED IN CHINA
Read no more, my blood already boiled. Such an evil regime.
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They saw great potential in hima nd are giving him an extended criminal apprenticeship.